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Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:21 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: 10115 wreck pics uploaded
From: "Darin Wolf" <son_darin_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Re: doors
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

3. Looking for Current Owner of 02390
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

4. Re: Warm engine sluggishness...
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

5. Re: The Car that East Speedometers
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

6. D. O.A. Election
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

7. Re: RIP VIN 10115
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

8. Trunk Latches
From: steve trimble <stevetrimble52_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. VIN 10115's future
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

10. Re: 10115 wreck pics uploaded
From: "Bill Lane" <blane_at_dml_triad.rr.com>

11. Re: The Car that East Speedometers
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

12. Unusual request for help
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. Re: Wiring harness
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>

14. RE: underground deloreans?
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_forwardlook.net>

15. RE: Problems Starting My D
From: Phillips Jeff 1Lt 333 TRS/UMAF <jeff.phillips_at_dml_keesler.af.mil>

16. RE: A DeLorean on Monster House
From: Tony Pistachio <TheStash_at_dml_optonline.net>

17. RE: How long is too long?
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

18. Re: 10115 wreck pics uploaded
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

19. KEYS PLEASE!
From: "ctdmc83" <nmastrocinque_at_dml_sikorsky.com>

20. RE: Problems Starting My D
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

21. Re: A DeLorean on Monster House
From: Justin <voodoonova_at_dml_yahoo.com>

22. Re: Trunk Latches
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

23. Re: KEYS PLEASE!
From: "Adam 16683" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

24. Re: KEYS PLEASE!
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

25. Re: underground deloreans?
From: "saalexander2000" <stuartalexander_at_dml_hotmail.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:40:53 -0000
From: "Darin Wolf" <son_darin_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 10115 wreck pics uploaded

It's kinda sad to hear about the loss, not to mention see the end 
results.  Again, at least you had gotten out ok and there's few 
other injuries (at least ot my knowledge). 

What do you intend to do with the wreck? In my own case I'd be one 
to keep it safe until I could find some means to rebuild it,, but 
thats just me.  I guess something holds sentimental value when it 
keeps me from getting flattened.



Daemon Wolf




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:39:45 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: doors

As usual we will have someone there to adjust doors and it is free as always.

Just don't know who yet

Ken


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:45:17 -0500
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Looking for Current Owner of 02390

  I have some interesting information on your car. Please reply privately. 

Dave Swingle 
swingle(at)dmcnews.com





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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:59:27 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Warm engine sluggishness...

Turning the mixture screw is not the way to set the idle. Make sure
the throttle plates are closing all the way. Check that there is no
play in the throttle linkage and isn't binding, holding the throttle
open. Make sure the throttle is hitting the idle switch turning on the
idle motor. Even with new parts you could have water in a spark plug
well so check that the boots are fitting tightly and everything is
dry. Yes, the timing (mechanical advance) will be off if you are not
checking it at idle RPM.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> Yeah, I figured that about the lambda relay. I tuned her up last
year (new
> plugs, wires, rotor, etc). It's not the cat because it's... it's
gone! :P
> 
> The mechanical and vacuum advance is working correctly. This brings
me to





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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:03:16 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: The Car that East Speedometers

Try this:
Raise the front left wheel. Disconnect the lower speedo cable at the
bottom of the Lambda counter. Have someone spin the wheel while you
watch the inner cable. If it turns then the problem is above in the
lambda counter, upper cable or speedo. If it isn't turning then it is
the drive disc, angle drive, or lower cable.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Scott Cagle" <dmc83n99_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Ok, a little more clarity on the problem.
> 
> 
> The angle drive gears are turning.  You can see that by looking
where the
> cable attaches.
> 





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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:10:44 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: D. O.A. Election

I just got a ballot for the Board of Directors. I really don't
understand how you are supposed to vote. How many Directors do they
actually want. If anyone understands this and can explain it please
respond. Also I would like to know how others feel about specific
persons nominated so I have a better understanding of some of these
people. Do you need to vote for all 10 people, 20 people, or some #
less or a combination?
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:25:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: RIP VIN 10115

The car was broadsided by an '81 cadillac fleetwood going about 60 mph. The driver who hit me was arrested for a dwi. Makes me feel that the DeLorean is a safe car, since it absorbed the collision, and I walked away from the wreck. -Louie

--- Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com> wrote:
>Louise,
>
>It is always terrible to see another D get wrecked.  However, it is 
>interesting to see that the passenger compartment is still intact.  
>
>Was the car side swiped or did it hit a guard rail ?



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:27:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: steve trimble <stevetrimble52_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Trunk Latches

I read somewhere that the trunk and engine lids should
"pop" open when the latch is pulled. Mine sure don't
pop. Is there a spring some place or is the pop a
result of the tension on the struts?

Steve T
vin #3121



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:39:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: VIN 10115's future

I've had a large response from indivuals requesting certain parts from the car, or to buy the car. After I'm paid replacement value for the car, I do have the option to buy back- I'm not sure what the cost as of yet. I've already promised the car to one individual, and I have a back up list behind him. I'm not going to part the car out, not only do I not have the heart to do that to my car, I don't have the time or space. I'm a college student, and the car stays at my parents house several hours away from me. Thanks again everyone for the well wishes, and the inquiries. -Louie

PS- The fascia pic is for Bill Robertson. He had given me his old fascia to put on the car less than 24 hours before the wreck, so I could sharpen the car up for SEDOC. :-)



--- Phillips Jeff 1Lt 333 TRS/UMAF <jeff.phillips_at_dml_keesler.af.mil> wrote:
>Check with your insurance company.  With State Farm we've been able to
>purchase the totaled vehicle back from them



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:10:25 -0400
From: "Bill Lane" <blane_at_dml_triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: 10115 wreck pics uploaded

Louie,

Glad you're OK.  I noticed that Bob Thomason has his Delorean for sale.  It
used to be Robert Starling's and it would be an excellent replacement for
yours.

Bill Lane
#3635




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 03:33:09 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: The Car that East Speedometers

Problem could be wheel disc. Make sure spindle cable receptacle is not
rounded out (do you get new wheel disc with replacement angle drive?)

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Scott Cagle" <dmc83n99_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Ok, a little more clarity on the problem.
>  
> The angle drive gears are turning. 



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 03:44:47 -0000
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Unusual request for help

Does anyone know of a source where i could find a Rnault A610? (any 
condition) I've got something in the works and this woult greatly be 
of help. thank you




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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:13:27 -0000
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>
Subject: Re: Wiring harness

Hi John.

Fluky symptoms like this are highly suggestive of an open circuit.  
My dollar is betting that you'll find a connector that makes a poor, 
or no connection, somewhere in the instrumentation circuit, or a bad 
ground for the instrumentation.  I don't know where the binnacle's 
ground is, but I'd find it before I let myself get too depressed 
about it.

Good luck.

Rick.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "jchapelhow" <chapelhow_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Thank you all for your calming words, and things to try. Replacing 
> the harness is now on hold since I have been convinced this may be 
> overkill!
> 
> My current list of woes runs like this....

> 
> John Chpaelhow
> MMG 287W : 'Boeing' #0737




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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:51:49 -0400
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_forwardlook.net>
Subject: RE: underground deloreans?

This rumor flies around from time to time, with different cars being substituted for the one being buried.

The only "car in a time capsule" that we have been able to find, is a 1957 Plymouth buried in Tulsa, OK.  Being a 1958 Plymouth owner, I am anxiously awaiting the day in 2007 when they pull the car out of the ground.  You can read further information at http://www.forwardlook.net/countdown.asp

-Dave

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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:00:53 -0500
From: Phillips Jeff 1Lt 333 TRS/UMAF <jeff.phillips_at_dml_keesler.af.mil>
Subject: RE: Problems Starting My D

Sounds like you have a bad connection somewhere.  When you can get the
accessories to run but the engine won't even begin to turnover it usually
indicates that you cannot draw enough current to engage the starter
solenoid.  Check the bigger connections like on the starter, the alternator,
and the battery terminals.

Jeff
10544

-----Original Message-----
From: PRC1216_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:PRC1216_at_dml_aol.com]
Subject: [DML] Problems Starting My D

  I have a strange question for you.   Yesterday I took my D out and left
it in a parking lot for about 30 minutes.....I came back out and tried to
start the car and nothing happened.

Whats the problem?

Thanks in advance,
Patrick
1880



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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:48:04 -0400
From: Tony Pistachio <TheStash_at_dml_optonline.net>
Subject: RE: A DeLorean on Monster House

Ken,
I caught that quick preview too.

Tony Pistachio
#10781 STSSTEEL
Wappingers Falls, NY

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Montgomery, Ken [mailto:kenm_at_dml_csus.edu] 
Subject:	[DML] A DeLorean on Monster House

   Did anyone catch the previews for the Sept. 22 Monster House? In the
preview, Steve Watson, host of the show, arrives in a DeLorean to build
a retro-future house.



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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:39:54 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: RE: How long is too long?

I haven't dealt with Rob on a repair issue but they are very helpful with
parts, etc.

I've had two experiences with other mechanics that are similar. First time I
took the car to have the idle screw adjusted correctly (by a Volvo guy) and
it took him 2 1/2 months! 

The second time I wanted to talk to a guy about a head gasket replacement
and he said he could even look at it until fall (it was late spring). 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph Isenberg, III [mailto:delorean1981dmc_at_dml_hotmail.com]
> Subject: [DML] How long is too long?
> 
> 
> This is by no means meant as a flame, but I'm curious. My 81 had it's
> automatic tranny quit, so I had it shipped to PJ Grady's, and even paid
> them a large amount up front for replacement plus a few other odds and ends.
> Rob told me there were about 40 cars ahead of me so it would be a while. This
> is understandable, but it has now been over two years since the car was sent.



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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:05:27 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: 10115 wreck pics uploaded

Louie,

When a car insurance company totals a car.  The give you the stated 
value and then sell the car for scrap.  They usually only get a few 
hundred dollars for the car.  

What this means is that you can cut a deal from your insurance company 
to take a few hundred dollars less and you get to keep the Delorean.

It is very, very unlikely, that they would know that the car can be 
parted out for thousands of dollars.  Junk yard just don't have time for 
this detail.

You could easily make yourself a lot more money and save these valuable 
Delorean parts.

Even if you don't want dissemble the car yourself,  keep the car away 
from the insurance vendors.

I am sure that any of the delorean repair shops or people like Ken and 
Rich would buy it and sell the parts off to those who need to fix their 
deloreans.

BOB




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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:01:03 -0000
From: "ctdmc83" <nmastrocinque_at_dml_sikorsky.com>
Subject: KEYS PLEASE!

Hello-  This is my first post.  I am the new owner of an 83 
(Finally!).  I was given one key, in poor condition.  I'd like to 
have another "code cut" rather than have my one key copied.  I read 
messages 34023, 34063, and 34933 and cannot find a code written above 
the driver's door headliner.  Is there somewhere else I can look?  If 
not, where else can you get the code for the key?  If I have no 
choice but to copy my one key, what blank do I specify?  Message 
34063 talks about an Ilco blank X29.  Message 34933 talks about 
a "Lowes" blank 38.  Naturally, I would prefer code-cut.  Can anyone 
point me in the right direction on this?  Many thanks,  NM




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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:35:44 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: RE: Problems Starting My D

It sounds like you may have a dead spot in your starter. 

When it happens again, try pushing the car forward a little at a time until
you find a point where it starts. If you roll it backwards and it fails to
start, you have a dead spot for sure.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: PRC1216_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:PRC1216_at_dml_aol.com]
> Subject: [DML] Problems Starting My D
> 
  Yesterday I took my D out and left it in a parking lot for about 30 minutes.   I came back out and tried to start the car and nothing happened.   The engine didn't even try to turn over.



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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:19:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Justin <voodoonova_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A DeLorean on Monster House

I caught the preview, I am usually glued to the discovery shows, I will definietly be eye ballin that one :)
 
-Voodoo

"Montgomery, Ken" <kenm_at_dml_csus.edu> wrote:
Did anyone catch the previews for the Sept. 22 Monster House? In the
preview, Steve Watson, host of the show, arrives in a DeLorean to build
a retro-future house.



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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:25:57 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Trunk Latches

This advice works on the front bonnet latch and the rear engine latch.
First make sure that the bar goes into the center of the lock without
rubbing on the sides. If it does it can wear the bar and won't pop up.
Next make sure the release handle slides easily and the spring pulls
it back when you let go. It doesn't hurt to lubricate the cable once
in a while. Now in the latch is 2 springs. Shorten the smaller one 1
or 2 turns. On the engine cover adjust it so it doesn't rub on the
sides or the back. It won't pop up until you lift the sunshade and
then pull the release. For insurance you should add the "back-up
cable". It is a piece of stranded cable so if the release cable ever
breaks you can still open the bonnet (trunk).
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, steve trimble <stevetrimble52_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> I read somewhere that the trunk and engine lids should
> "pop" open when the latch is pulled. Mine sure don't
> pop. Is there a spring some place or is the pop a
> result of the tension on the struts?
> 
> Steve T
> vin #3121




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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:30:02 -0000
From: "Adam 16683" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: KEYS PLEASE!

I got my key copied at Home Depot. Its an Access+ #51. 
I dont think the 83's have the code written above the headliner, 
perhaps because they are "one-key" cars.

Adam 16683 '83



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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:31:03 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: KEYS PLEASE!

You might want to call DMCH and talk to James Espey. He found a file
that contains SOME of the vin #'s and the corresponding key code. Even
though your key is worn a locksmith can "read" the code off the key.
Most of the key blanks you can get locally are going to be soft. Try
Jesser's keys. You can find him in Hemmings or DMCH has blanks too.
You can also take a lock out to have it read for the code. The easiest
one is the one in the "vault" door. Take it anyway so you can test the
new key.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:37:36 -0000
From: "saalexander2000" <stuartalexander_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: underground deloreans?

I've heard about some of the right hand drive Woller Hodec conversions 
commisioned by the factory being buried in a field here in the UK at the time 
of the factory closure but don't know much more about this.  Anyone else in 
the UK know?

Stuart

16686



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "marc kelly" <cmarckelly_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> i've been   reading  stories on   the     internet of deloreans been 
> burried underground  is  this true? 
> 
> marc




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