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To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1674
Date: Saturday, September 20, 2003 5:04 AM

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Problems Starting My D
From: PRC1216_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: steering wheels
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

3. Help with Starting
From: "anaheim_21" <anaheim_21_at_dml_yahoo.com>

4. Re: RIP VIN 10115
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

5. Re: Digest Number 1671
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

6. Cutting keys from codes (and more on keys/locks)
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

7. RE: Digest Number 1671
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

8. RE: Help with Starting
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

9. Re; wiring Harness
From: "jchapelhow" <chapelhow_at_dml_hotmail.com>

10. Re: RIP VIN 10115
From: "rayxa1" <dickyh11_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>

11. Re: RIP VIN 10115
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

12. HIGH IDLE
From: John Podlewski <john_podlewski_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. DeLorean's in Tampa Florida area?
From: "relllii" <RELLLII_at_dml_AOL.COM>

14. D to be auctioned in Ohio
From: Todd Masinelli <tmasin_at_dml_madisontelco.com>

15. Re: underground deloreans?
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:30:46 EDT
From: PRC1216_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Problems Starting My D

Thanks for the advice guys.   I ordered a new starter motor the other day, I 
think this will fix the problem.

Patrick
1880


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:30:09 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: steering wheels

In a message dated 9/19/2003 12:15:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
Soma576_at_dml_aol.com writes:

> BTW, if anyone out there is selling a like-new steering wheel (no gouges or 
> 
> sun fading), i am interested

we have one for sale

I am parting out oa car and Josh is working the parts I forwarded this to him 
as well

Ken


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:00:27 -0000
From: "anaheim_21" <anaheim_21_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Help with Starting

As a follow up, I tripped the RPM relay to allow the fuel pump to run 
coninuosly.  The car will start but will not continue to run unless 
the gas is pressed down and the engine runs.

My battery is dead and I have been jumping to start.  

What could the problem be?  ECU microswitch is bad?  Battery needsto 
be recharged fully?  ECU motor bad?  Bad pulse coil?

Thanks!

Greg
6598




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:11:17 -0400
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: RIP VIN 10115

The Cadillac did in fact broadside me at highway speeds. What happened is he ran off the road, and onto the shoulder, and over corrected himself sharply, and plowed into me, hitting me at roughly a 45 degree angle. So he crossed the center line and broadsided/sideswiped me. The reason why the car isn't worse looking is because at the angle and position in the car he hit me, it caused my car to spin 180 degrees... and I'm guessing that's where much of the inertia went.

Bob Brandys commented yesterday that the door looked open. It never opened, that's just what it looks like from being crunched up. Neither doors would open. I had to crawl out my driver's window. Now those full sized windows are making more sense.... :-). -Louie




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:17:49 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1671

Pushing the car in gear is only useful if the starter is still stuck
(engaged) in the flywheel. This can happen if you try to start the car
and the battery is really low. When the motor starts it usually helps
spin the starter off the flywheel. If it doesn't start the starter
could stay engaged. Pushing won't help at all on an automatic car. As
for a "dead" spot on the starter, this is not all that common. What
more commonly happens is that the brushes wear to the point that they
aren't being pushed tightly enough by the springs and with all the
dirt from the worn brushes they get hung up and don't make contact
with the commutator. Sometimes a sharp fast smack with a hammer can
get you going again. Same trick works for the blower motor. If it does
work then you should get the starter serviced as quickly as you can.
The other thing that commonly happens is the movable contact in the
solenoid gets burnt up. This happens over time and is made worse by a
chronicaly low battery. Simple to test for, just put a test light on
the starter and trip the solenoid with the key or a starter button. In
any case if you have these symptoms rebuilding or replacing the
starter will fix you up. The starters in the Delorean seem to be very
durable, unless you have a high mileage car the starter is not the
first place to look. You have to begin with a GOOD fully charged
battery and clean, tight connections to the starter.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, doctorDHD_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Correct me if I am wrong but in every car I have ever owned or
worked on the starter gear is not engaged into the flywheel until power is applied to the starter. 



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:42:03 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Cutting keys from codes (and more on keys/locks)

If you have, or are able to get, the key code for your car's doors or
ignition, we have the ability to cut a key for your car from that code. We
also have reproduction molded head key blanks for $12.95 each. Code cutting
is $15 on top of that, if desired.

** WARNING ** If, for some reason, your door locks were changed at one time
in the past, obviously the key code found on your door will no longer be
correct. This occurs most often on the early two-key cars that have had the
locks converted to the later one-key style system.

Two key system (where there are two keys used, one for the door locks and a
different key for the ignition) door locks are identifiable by the visible
portion of the lock cylinder being ALL BLACK in color. All of these key
codes will be WR3XXX or WR 5XXXX.

One key system (where the same key used for both the door locks and the
ignition) door locks are identifiable byt he visible portion of the lock
cylinder having a black ring around the outside and a silver center. All of
these key codes will be 7XXX numbers, sometimes preceded or followed by an
"X".

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company (Texas)
15023 Eddie Drive
Humble, Texas 77396

281/441-2537 Voice
281/441-2813 Fax
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com



> From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Date: 19 Sep 2003 07:17:55 -0000
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> 
> If one does find his code or reads it off the vault door, who can cut this
> key according to the code?  Someone must have a machine that can translate
> this code?  I am a little confused.  Please explain.  thanks




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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:16:23 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: RE: Digest Number 1671

You're right. I've got my head up my ass. I just worked on my starter, I
should remember this stuff.

The bendix doesn't fire until the solenoid is activated. THEN the starter
will turn. Duh!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com]
> Subject: Re: [DML] Digest Number 1671
> 
> Correct me if I am wrong but in every car I have ever owned or worked on
> the starter gear is not engaged into the flywheel until power is applied to
> the starter.



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:01:37 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: RE: Help with Starting

Get a new battery! QUICK! Likely it's got a bad cell and will no longer hold
a charge. It's likely that the only reason it runs when the pedal to the
metal is because the alternator is pumping enough juice to keep your car
running put anything less is being drained by the bad battery.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: anaheim_21 [mailto:anaheim_21_at_dml_yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:00 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Help with Starting
> 
> As a follow up, I tripped the RPM relay to allow the fuel pump to run
> coninuosly.  The car will start but will not continue to run unless
> the gas is pressed down and the engine runs.
> 
> My battery is dead and I have been jumping to start.
> 
> What could the problem be?  ECU microswitch is bad?  Battery needsto
> be recharged fully?  ECU motor bad?  Bad pulse coil?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Greg
> 6598




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:43:45 -0000
From: "jchapelhow" <chapelhow_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re; wiring Harness

All.

A quick update:

I have removed the binnacle, the bulbs/holders remind my of wiring 
the Xmas tree lights. Now that I can get a multimeter to them several 
don't seem to be making proper contact.

With the binnacle removed the 'door lock' indicator still flashes 
with the indicators so I am still looking for additional problems.

I have however managed to geth the LHS door lights to work without 
the key. It seems the buzzer box connection (which the wiring diagram 
seems to indicate is supposed to ground with the key) was switched 
with the door light ground.


John Chapelhow
MMG 287W : 'Boeing' 0737




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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:59:08 -0000
From: "rayxa1" <dickyh11_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: RIP VIN 10115

My condolences on your loss, but at least you're OK which is the most 
important thing.

The DeLorean seems to have faired quite well for such a severe 
impact, it could have been much worse.

Remember that a little good can still come from this. I hope 10115 
will now go on to help other DeLoreans out there in desperate need of 
spares?

Even if the insurance doesn't pay out enough, which they never do 
here in England, if you buy it back from them as scrap, you could 
make up the shortfall selling the parts maybe?

Rich



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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:46:55 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: RIP VIN 10115

In a message dated 9/19/03 3:12:21 PM Central Daylight Time, 
louie_at_dml_delorean.com writes:

> Neither doors would open. I had to crawl out my driver's window. Now those 
> full sized windows are making more sense.... :-). -Louie
> 

I would like to see a picture of someone crawling out of their driver's 
window:-)
My head wouldn't fit, much less my torso.  and i only weigh like 130 lbs.

Andy


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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:40:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Podlewski <john_podlewski_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: HIGH IDLE

Got my Delorean running today, mechanic says it was a bad acumulator and a clogged fuel line to the injector.  However, it idles high says there now is another clogged rubber fuel hose(the one that goes to an injector to the fuel distributor).  Don't know if he knows what he is doing, but he did get it running? But he says that is what is causing it to idle so high around 2000 rpm's is he right or just wasting time and ofcoase $$$$?


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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:52:31 -0000
From: "relllii" <RELLLII_at_dml_AOL.COM>
Subject: DeLorean's in Tampa Florida area?

   (Moderators Note: Please respond directly to - relllii-at-aol.com - if you can help with this request. )



I am interested in possibly hiring someone to bring their DeLorean to 
my son's Birthday party, basically just for the kids to look at and 
maybe give the Birthday boy and his sister a ride around the block or 
something... anybody know anyone in the area with a DeLorean?




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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:58:38 -0500
From: Todd Masinelli <tmasin_at_dml_madisontelco.com>
Subject: D to be auctioned in Ohio

A relative of mine who collects antiques saw a DeLorean among the list of
"antiques and collectibles" to be auctioned on September 27 at the Clark
County Fairgrounds in Springfield, Ohio.  The only information given about
the car is that it's a one-owner '83 with "mileage in the 30k range."

If you're interested, you can find all the auction info at the URL below:

http://www.barrybakerauctioneer.com/9-27-03.htm

_______________
Todd Masinelli
VIN 6681





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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 03:43:46 +0000
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: underground deloreans?

Indeed, I know of an '81 Automatic, lowered, that was sold from Tulsa to a 
fellow in KS who reportedly stashed it in a cave with a '68 Plym. Satelite.  
He said he was saving the cars for his son's 16th birthday, who at the time 
was 3.    He should be ~ 6 yrs old by now.   Interesting concept.        
Drive Stainless   Robert   VIN 6924  Sp Tag- AgBULIT


From: "marc kelly" <cmarckelly_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [DML] underground deloreans?

i've been   reading  stories on   the     internet of deloreans been
burried underground  is  this true?



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