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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1677
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 5:40 AM

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There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: temp gauge not working
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

2. My DeLorean loves me.
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>

3. Re: RIP VIN 10115
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>

4. Delorean in st. louis area
From: "Paul" <vrt10whips_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Emission Testing: NOx
From: "George Ryerson" <TRyerson_at_dml_neo.rr.com>

6. Re: Re: temp gauge not working
From: "Marcel" <mbourgon_at_dml_elp.rr.com>

7. Front hood ground
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

8. Re: Re: temp gauge not working
From: chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk

9. Caravan to Mid Atlantic Fall Foliage Tour
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

10. DeLorean for sale on ebay-Younsgtown, OH
From: "dom1172" <dom_diaz_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. Exhaust system & Evansville Event this weekend
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

12. BMW Eurofest 2003
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

13. Livin' the dream in 11472.
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>

14. Re: Emission Testing: NOx
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

15. Re: Front hood ground
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

16. Re: temp gauge not working
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

17. Re: D. O.A. Election
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

18. Starter issues
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

19. Re: Emission Testing: NOx
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

20. RE: Caravan to Mid Atlantic Fall Foliage Tour
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

21. Bypass? No...I think my car need therapy!
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

22. Re: Emission Testing: NOx
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

23. Re: HIGH IDLE
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>

24. Re: Livin' the dream in 11472.
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 03:16:00 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: temp gauge not working

The general convention when giving directions, left, right, front,
back, is referenced from a person sitting in the driver's seat facing
foward. Therefore to find the temperature sending unit when I say the
front of the motor on the right side I mean the end of the motor next
to the firewall on the side of the motor by the coil cover. You have
to look over the top and down the front to find it. There should be 1
wire going to it. A quick and "dirty" test is to remove the wire and
the gauge should read "cold". Now have someone touch the wire to
ground for 1-2 seconds. The gauge should move over toward "hot". If
the gauge never moves there is a problem with the wiring to the gauge
or possibly even the gauge itself. Don't forget to try this with the
ignition key on. Front is facing front of car to directly answer your
question.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Marcel" <mbourgon_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> DAVID
> FOR US NEW OWNERS AND PART TIME MECHANICS.  WERE EXACTLY IS THE
SENDING UNIT
> FOR THE TEMPERATURE GAUGE.
> YOU MENTIONED THE FRONT OF ENGINE.  SO I AM ON THE SAME PAGE IS THE
FRONT AS
> IN FRONT OF CAR OR FRONT AS FACING THE REAR OF CAR
> THANKS
> MARCEL 4197
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...>
> Subject: [DML] Re: temp gauge not working
> 
> 
> > The temperature sending unit for the temp gauge is on the front of the
> > engine on the right side. Very common for the (single) wire to get
> > knocked off when working in that area.
> > David Teitelbaum
> > vin 10757




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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:18:26 -0700
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: My DeLorean loves me.

We all hear about eachother's problems with their cars or projects on the
list every day, but my DeLorean's mechanical failures are only done out of
it's love for me.  First, she got me out of jury duty on a day I really did
not want to be there.  This was a while ago actually.  I had parked in a two
hour zone counting on not staying long so of course I was selected.  We all
had a chance to move our cars if we needed and when I got out there she
simply would not start.  I tried for several minutes before reporting back
to the director explaining that I could not move my car.  She was hesitant
but said I could go find a way to get my car towed or fixed and she would
call someone else in for that day in my place.  When I get back to my car I
try again and she started right up the first time.  It later turned out to
be a bad connection on the inertia switch.

And now last week it further displayed it's love for me by getting me out of
another uncomfortable situation.  One of my coworkers told me that it was
his girlfriend's birthday soon and she loves DeLoreans.  He wanted me to
drive her around for the night so he wouldn't actually have to do anything
for her (his actual words, plus some swearing I've omitted).  Unfortunately
I know this girl and I doubt anyone on this list could stand to be trapped
in such close proximity with her for more than a few minutes.  I agreed to
do it, but the morning before I found myself wishing that something on the
car would fail so I wouldn't be able to drive her.  Almost as if the
DeLorean heard my thoughts, on my drive to work that day the battery light
came on.  I had it tested and the alternator is on it's way out.  I told him
about the problem and he was disappointed but understood.  I got out of
being her chauffer for the night and I've never been so pleased to have
something on my car break.

Ordinarily I'd be frustrated, but I'm pretty sure she has a good reason for
the lock solenoid failure and vacuum leak that just developed.  Now if
you'll excuse me I'm going to go stare lovingly at my disabled baby sitting
in the driveway.

Brandon Payne
#2975


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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:18:28 -0700
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: Re: RIP VIN 10115

[MODERATOR NOTE: This discussion has a very high "me too!" potential.  If a hundred of you want to climb through your windows I can't stop you.  But if a hundred of you want announce your window squirming plan to the entire DML I can and will stop you.
- Mike Substelny, moderating this week]

I know I shouldn't, but now that I've seen it's possible I've got to try!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 6:07 PM
Subject: RE: [DML] RIP VIN 10115


> I love that photo!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Levy [mailto:malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com]
> Subject: Re: [DML] RIP VIN 10115
>
> Here ya go!
>
> http://www.deloreanmidatlantic.com/scrapbook/soc2k3/images/Sunday/DSC003
> 01.jpg
>
>
> --- Soma576_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
> > I would like to see a picture of someone crawling
> > out of their driver's window :-)
> > My head wouldn't fit, much less my torso.  and I only weigh like 130
lbs.
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 05:17:34 -0000
From: "Paul" <vrt10whips_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Delorean in st. louis area

I was driving down the highway yesterday around 3:45pm on sunday 
afternoon, the 21st.  Going east(towards downtown) on highway 44 
towards 141(woods mill) in Fenton/valley park.  I was wondering if 
that driver was on this list.  I was going west and didnt get a good 
look, and wasnt able to see who was driving.  Just thought I would 
ask, curiosity has gotten the best of me.

Regards,

Paul Nolan




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:41:37 -0400
From: "George Ryerson" <TRyerson_at_dml_neo.rr.com>
Subject: Emission Testing: NOx

Hi All,

I have a yellow painted '83 in Akron Ohio and ran into some problems last
Friday when trying to get through the emissions testing in Akron. In
previous tests since 1997, when I bought the car, it passed with flying
colors. This time though apparently the Ohio tests now include NO ( nitrogen
oxides ) testing which my car failed with a reading of 1650 against a max
allowable of 1500 ( I believe ).

If anyone out there has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate hearing them
as all I can think to do is to richen up the mixture a little as NOx is
produced by higher combustion temps. Perhaps also retard the spark a little.
I don't hold out much hope for these two dodges since they would both tend
to raise the hydrocarbons.

As always thanks in advance to the list.

George Ryerson





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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:53:43 -0600
From: "Marcel" <mbourgon_at_dml_elp.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Re: temp gauge not working

David
Thanks again for the direct direction.  Will give it a shot tonight after
work.
Thamks
Marcel in El Paso
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 9:16 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: temp gauge not working


> The general convention when giving directions, left, right, front,
> back, is referenced from a person sitting in the driver's seat facing
> foward. Therefore to find the temperature sending unit when I say the
> front of the motor on the right side I mean the end of the motor next
> to the firewall on the side of the motor by the coil cover. You have
> to look over the top and down the front to find it. There should be 1
> wire going to it. A quick and "dirty" test is to remove the wire and
> the gauge should read "cold". Now have someone touch the wire to
> ground for 1-2 seconds. The gauge should move over toward "hot". If
> the gauge never moves there is a problem with the wiring to the gauge
> or possibly even the gauge itself. Don't forget to try this with the
> ignition key on. Front is facing front of car to directly answer your
> question.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
>

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:22:49 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: Front hood ground

Does anyone know what is grounded at this location?

Reason I ask is that my AC blower speed fluxuates and I was wondering if a
bad ground at this location could cause these symptoms.

I plan to clean and repair the ground but I was just curious.



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:54:54 +0200 (CEST)
From: chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk
Subject: Re: Re: temp gauge not working

>>A quick and "dirty" test is to remove the wire and 
>>the gauge should read "cold". Now have someone touch the wire to 
>>ground for 1-2 seconds. The gauge should move over toward "hot". If 
>>the gauge never moves there is a problem with the wiring to the gauge 
>>or possibly even the gauge itself.

I remember DMC Joe said on the list you should never ground the temp gauge wire as it will burn out the gauge.

Chris



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:54:15 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Caravan to Mid Atlantic Fall Foliage Tour

Appears caravan may be forming from North/South Carolina to October
Mid Atlantic get together. May drive up Friday night (especially if
events start early Saturday). Can spent night in DC area if Mike C,
Rich A, et al want to join. Saturday night of course spent at the Ivanhoe.

Details still fuzzy, but if any southern owners want join (or lend
order to our chaotic plans), contact
brobertson(at)carolina.net
louie(at)delorean.com

Is safety in numbers.

Plus is blast to weave through gawking traffic in parade of little
silver cars.

If anyone's interested: angle drive repair survived SEDOC at pegged
gauge speeds (downhill -- oops).

Bill Robertson
#5939






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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:02:14 -0000
From: "dom1172" <dom_diaz_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: DeLorean for sale on ebay-Younsgtown, OH

There is a D on sale on ebay in Youngstown, OH. I live relatively 
close to there and would be willing to do an inspection for someone 
on the list. Please contact me off list if you would like me to check 
into it.

Dom




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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:20:16 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Exhaust system & Evansville Event this weekend

We've got one extra exhaust system currently in stock for sale, these
usually go pretty quickly, so I wanted to mention it here for those who
missed out last time. Price is still $1495.00 plus shipping.

I'll be attending the Evansville event this weekend along with Marty Maier's
Midstate DMC group - if anyone wants any parts brought along, send me an
email at james (at) usadmc.com - thanks.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company 




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:38:26 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: BMW Eurofest 2003

The EURO 2003 Auto Festival will be held on 17-19 October 2003 at the BMW
Zentrum Visitors Center adjacent to BMW Manufacturing Corporation's plant
site between Greenville and Spartanburg, South Carolina USA. This will be
the 8th Annual EURO Auto Festival. 

DeLoreans usually have a respectful showing... I know I'll be there!

http://www.euroautofestival.com

http://www.euroautofestival.com/EURO2002Photos.htm (I'm towards the bottom)



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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:13:24 -0000
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>
Subject: Livin' the dream in 11472.

Hello.

I'm too excited to shut up about my car, I'm sorry.
Many of you know that I've been making a twin engine Delorean for the 
past several years.  Well, it's finally running, and street legal, 
and now that I get to drive it on the street, I know what I've been 
missing.  I get a kick out of all the BTTF jokes.  During one of my 
first rides, a small coolant leak caused a small cloud of steam to 
rise off the radiator in the back while I was parking it.  A friend 
of mine later told me that he heard someone remark:  "That's normal.  
It's just the plutonium."
I hope I never get tired of that kind of humor, though I think my 
favorite one-liner so far is:  "You're a maniac, what else is there 
to say?"

Anyway, I'm glad to be living the dream, finally, and will continue 
to drive it to get the bugs out until it's too cold here, at which 
time I'll do the work necessary to get the second engine running in 
concert with the first.

I've got a few more pictures to take, then I'll update the website.

Rick Gendreau
Livin' the dream in 11472, the 10.2 liter Delorean.




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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:38:53 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Emission Testing: NOx

Here are 3 suggestions. Drain the gas and refill with a different
brand of fresh HIGH octane. The other is to check that the motor is
not running too hot. You might need a new thermostat and or a new
otterstadt switch. You can also check the timming and the mechanical
and vacuum advance that everything is set up and working correctly. DO
NOT mess with the mixture screw.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "George Ryerson" <TRyerson_at_dml_n...> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a yellow painted '83 in Akron Ohio and ran into some problems
last
> Friday when trying to get through the emissions testing in Akron. In
> previous tests since 1997, when I bought the car, it passed with flying
> colors. This time though apparently the Ohio tests now include NO (
nitrogen
> oxides ) testing which my car failed with a reading of 1650 against
a max
.
> 
> As always thanks in advance to the list.
> 
> George Ryerson




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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:42:38 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Front hood ground

If the blower motor fluctuates at only one speed it could be the relay
for that speed. If it fluctuates at all speeds it could be the motor
itself. Use a voltage meter to help find the source of the bad
connection. You could also switch some of the relays around and se if
that makes a difference.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> Does anyone know what is grounded at this location?
> 
> Reason I ask is that my AC blower speed fluxuates and I was
wondering if a
> bad ground at this location could cause these symptoms.
> 
> I plan to clean and repair the ground but I was just curious.




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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:49:41 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: temp gauge not working

DMC Joe is correct. If you ground the wire for length of time you will
blow the gauge. This is why I said my method is quick and "dirty". If
you ground the wire for only 1-2 seconds it should peg the gauge and
not burn it out. If you want to try doing it safer ground the wire
through a resistor around 1,000 ohms 1/2 watt. As in all procedures
mentioned on the DML you do anything at your own risk.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, chris_at_dml_i... wrote:
> >>A quick and "dirty" test is to remove the wire and 
> >>the gauge should read "cold". Now have someone touch the wire to 
> >>ground for 1-2 seconds. The gauge should move over toward "hot". If 
> >>the gauge never moves there is a problem with the wiring to the gauge 
> >>or possibly even the gauge itself.
> 
> I remember DMC Joe said on the list you should never ground the temp
gauge wire as it will burn out the gauge.
> 
> Chris




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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:19:07 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: D. O.A. Election

I think I figured out how the Ballot works. If an individual gets even
1 vote then they are elected to be a Director. They really aren't
running against anyone. In fact there is a box to vote for the entire
slate so if ANYONE checks that then everyone is "elected". I guess a
ballot like this can only come from California! (or maybe Florida?)
The results will be published in the next DW and I will make a
prediction, the entire slate will be "elected" unopposed! I can't
believe a ballot like this could exist in a free country like America!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> I just got a ballot for the Board of Directors. I really don't
> understand how you are supposed to vote. How many Directors do they
> actually want. If anyone understands this and can explain it please





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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:46:56 -0500
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Starter issues

I just started to have this problem today and i think i know what the problem is but i
would like a second opinion.

When i try to start my car sometimes i just get a click from the starter or the car just
simply starts. When it clicks i can keep turning the key and the starter will sometimes
start the car after several clicks. Sometimes i hop in and turn the key and it starts.

When i check my battery it is at 12 volts, when the car starts it drops down to 10 volts
when the car is cranking, when i just get the clicking it only drops down to 11 volts.

I believe it is a bad starter solenoid, could i be wrong?

My vin is 6683 if this helps.

Mark
6683




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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:04:41 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Emission Testing: NOx

George,

NOx testing is a new one on me.  Is Akron non compliant for NOx.  

Personally, I would go to a different testing station.  I would more 
likely think their equipment is calibrated wrong rather than your car 
not running properly.

When US automakers first complied with this standard they lowered 
compression to reduce peak combustion temperatures. They also 
recirculated some exhaust gases to again lower combustion rate and 
efficiency.

This lowered NOx from 2.gm/mile to 1 gm/mile.  

Retarding the timing (if the computer doesn't adjust for this) would 
help some because the mixture would have less time to burn.  

I would also try some high octane fuel and octane additive because they 
will slow down the combustion process and reduce peak temperatures.


BOB





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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:28:04 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Caravan to Mid Atlantic Fall Foliage Tour

WOW!

Midatlantic would love to have you!

We are finalizing details for the weekend now....  I almost have dinner
squared away at a nice resteraunt in wildwood called the ravioli house.
Expect an update in a few days!

Kevin Abato
Vin #16680

-----Original Message-----
From: content22207 [mailto:brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:54 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Caravan to Mid Atlantic Fall Foliage Tour


> Appears caravan may be forming from North/South Carolina to October Mid
> Atlantic get together. May drive up Friday night (especially if events
> start early Saturday). Can spent night in DC area if Mike C, Rich A, et
> al want to join. Saturday night of course spent at the Ivanhoe.
>
> Details still fuzzy, but if any southern owners want join (or lend order
> to our chaotic plans), contact brobertson(at)carolina.net
> louie(at)delorean.com
>
> Is safety in numbers.
>
> Plus is blast to weave through gawking traffic in parade of little
> silver cars.
>
> If anyone's interested: angle drive repair survived SEDOC at pegged
> gauge speeds (downhill -- oops).
>
> Bill Robertson
> #5939



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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:50:09 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Bypass? No...I think my car need therapy!

This is REALLY strange!  3 times in the past few months, my car has
refused to start.  See what you think...
 
The first time was a Saturday morning late spring:  It had run fine for
weeks, and was in the garage. It would not start.  2 hours later, (and
much tinkering) it started fine.  At the time I attributed it to a loose
relay (it appeared to start after I checked all the relays behind the
passenger seat)
 
2nd time middle of summer:  I was out driving for about a good hour.
Stopped at my brothers house, and the car would not start again 40
minutes later.   After about an hour or more of tinkering with
everything, it appeared to work better after having jiggled the intertia
switch wire.  It stalled several times just out of his driveway.  The
inertia switch plug seemed to be the key..jiggle one way, car dies.
some more, car runs.  I found a good "working spot" and stuffed the wire
in place behind the intertia switch box.   Car ran fine and continued to
do so.
 
This past saturday:   Car was in garage, had not been used for 2 weeks.
WOuld not start.  messed with inertia switch wire...no dice.  (posted
about ugly plug on the end of the switch, etc...)  Decided to give it a
rest unitl i read info on the  DML.   I was going to attempt to bypass
the intertia switch tonight, but first i decided to try starting it.
IT WORKS!
 
Keep in mind.  NO bumps, vibration, nothing different had happened to
the car.
 
I think it needs Psycho Therapy for having turned 20 or something!
Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?  I dont want to get stuck
someplace (the the DMA fall tour) with a finiky car!
 
Kevin Abato
Vin# 16680


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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:01:02 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Emission Testing: NOx

1500 sounds about right for emmissions test limit on an 81 but the D 
should pass at less than 1000. You are probably as you suspect 
running too lean. This could occur with some failed fuel mechanicals 
or a combination like a bad oxygen sensor and vacuum leaks. You 
didn't say what the CO, HC and CO2 readings were. These readings can 
provide some clues also. Are you sure the frequency valve is working 
by checking the wires and being sure it is buzzing?

Harold McElraft - 3354


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "George Ryerson" <TRyerson_at_dml_n...> 
wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a yellow painted '83 in Akron Ohio and ran into some 
problems last
> Friday when trying to get through the emissions testing in Akron. 
In
> previous tests since 1997, when I bought the car, it passed with 
flying
> colors. This time though apparently the Ohio tests now include NO 
( nitrogen
> oxides ) testing which my car failed with a reading of 1650 
against a max
> allowable of 1500 ( I believe ).
> 
> If anyone out there has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate 
hearing them
> as all I can think to do is to richen up the mixture a little as 
NOx is
> produced by higher combustion temps. Perhaps also retard the spark 
a little.
> I don't hold out much hope for these two dodges since they would 
both tend
> to raise the hydrocarbons.
> 
> As always thanks in advance to the list.
> 
> George Ryerson




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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:20:02 -0400
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>
Subject: Re: HIGH IDLE

It is very likely that the thermistor came unplugged. Saw this issue on 
another Delorean after other fuel issues. We just never thought about 
the sensor at first as we hadnt directly bothered it but it did manage 
to come off. Was able to get it plugged back in via the back and a bit 
of time feeling around.

Martin Gutkowski wrote:

>2000rpm is more than can be adjusted for but tweaking the throttle 
>plates, or seating the brass screws all the way down. My guess would be 
>the idlespeed thermistor under the intake manifold has become unplugged 
>- this makes the idlespeed computer think the engine is continually 
>stone cold. This can be tested from the idlespeed computer, but I don't 
>have my Renault manual handy to look up the pin-outs
>
>Pretty certain it ain't a clogged injector, unless your mechanic has 
>deliberately set the idle that high because it stalls any lower.
>
>Martin
>
>John Podlewski wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Got my Delorean running today, mechanic says it was a bad acumulator and a
>>clogged fuel line to the injector.  However, it idles high says there now is
>>another clogged rubber fuel hose(the one that goes to an injector to the
>>fuel distributor).  Don't know if he knows what he is doing, but he did get
>>it running? But he says that is what is causing it to idle so high around
>>2000 rpm's is he right or just wasting time and ofcoase $$$$?



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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:05:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Livin' the dream in 11472.

Bring it to the fall tour!!!


--- twinenginedmc12
<twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com> wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> I'm too excited to shut up about my car, I'm sorry.
> Many of you know that I've been making a twin engine
> Delorean for the 
<SNIP>




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