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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1681
Date: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:48 AM

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There are 5 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: PRV6 was PRV8!
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

2. Engine Swap-Out
From: "anaheim_21" <anaheim_21_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. Re: PRV6 was PRV8!
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

4. Delorean Hovercraft project coming up on Monster Garage
From: Jeff Angwin <jeff_at_dml_coware.com>

5. AW: delorean power steering??
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:04:49 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: PRV6 was PRV8!

PRV history from one of the sites I haunt:

http://members.fortunecity.com/perttim/therenault30file/id20.html

What blows my mind is production: nearly 1 million units. Originally
heard was an "odd little French engine" picked up cheap by DMC because
no one else wanted. Now know better. Still prefer my domestic blocks
of course, but JZD could have chosen worse for his car. Actually find
my R30 to be tough and surprisingly reliable. Was a learning curve for
the stupid thing (more than half of which were access issues), but
hopefully that's behind me now. 

Think it'll handle yet ANOTHER trip up I-95? See you in person Oct 18...

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> Last night I was at a cruise night with the Delorean. A person stood
> staring at the motor. I asked him what he was looking at in
> particular. He said he used to work for Volvo. He did a lot of work on
> the PRV with the French. He said origionally the PRV was designed to
> be a V8. The French thought that the timing was wrong (the energy
> crisis) so they cut off two of the cylinders and made it into a V6. He
> said this is why it is a crossfire. He claimed to have seen the
> tooling for the V8. He seemed very knowledgable so I have no reason to
> doubt him. Just imagine what the Delorean would be like if we could
> squeeze a V8 into it! BTW he also commented that it was always
> difficult working with the French. This confirms the impressions that
> we got when we had Fred Dellis of Legend Industries give a talk on his
> work on the PRV with the turbos and the French. He told us that JZD
> had decided to change the engine eventually to get away from the PRV
> mainly because of the difficulty in dealing with the French.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:16:00 -0000
From: "anaheim_21" <anaheim_21_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Engine Swap-Out

Hello All:

Has anyone on this list swapped out their original PRV engines with 
one from a different manufacturer?  I saw the cars at the Memphis 
show and was wondering what engines could fit and what people's 
opinions are on this subject.

I'm toying witht the idea of updating my engine.

Greg
6598




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:16:03 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: PRV6 was PRV8!

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> 
wrote:
> Last night I was at a cruise night with the Delorean. A person stood
> staring at the motor. I asked him what he was looking at in
> particular. He said he used to work for Volvo. He did a lot of work 
on
> the PRV with the French. He said origionally the PRV was designed to
> be a V8. The French thought that the timing was wrong (the energy
> crisis) so they cut off two of the cylinders and made it into a V6. 
He
> said this is why it is a crossfire. He claimed to have seen the
> tooling for the V8. He seemed very knowledgable so I have no reason 
to
> doubt him. Just imagine what the Delorean would be like if we could
> squeeze a V8 into it! BTW he also commented that it was always
> difficult working with the French. This confirms the impressions 
that
> we got when we had Fred Dellis of Legend Industries give a talk on 
his
> work on the PRV with the turbos and the French. He told us that JZD
> had decided to change the engine eventually to get away from the PRV
> mainly because of the difficulty in dealing with the French.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757

Yup. They literally just sliced 2 cylinders, and left the thing as an 
odd-fire, 90 V-6. I too have heard that the engery crisis at the 
time greatly influenced their decision. I've also always heard the 
motor compared to the Chevy 350 block. Don't know if this comparison 
is related directly to the fact that the motor was so popular in 
Europe, or if perhaps it was meant to compete somehow...

And yes, JZD wanted to dump the PRV as soon as he got a chance. I've 
got a copy of D.A. Pennebroker's (sic) documentary. One of the scenes 
includes a board meeting of DMC & DMCL people. JZD states then and 
there that as soon as the Volvo contract was up, DMC was going to 
abandon the PRV ASAP! Listening in, Volvo was double-dipping when 
charging for the DMC-12 tooling (which they already had *technicly* 
due to the Alpine A310). After charging Lotus for the tooling fees, 
they then went on to charge DMCL a second time for the exact same 
fees again! Which DMCL had already paid out to Lotus, when they took 
on the job from DMC.

Rightly so, JZD stated that DMC was doing a favor to Volvo by using 
the PRV. And as the conversation went on, yes, he made the comment 
that as soon as the contract is up, he wanted Volvo dropped. He 
dropps a few names, such as Alfa-Romero, and others as alternatives, 
and advises the board to start looking around.

Now don't get me wrong, I like the PRV. It's a die hard, reliable 
engine that has quite a long lifespan. However, the Rover V-8 would 
have been quite a nice alternative! Don't know Why it was never 
chosen though...

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:10:49 -0700
From: Jeff Angwin <jeff_at_dml_coware.com>
Subject: Delorean Hovercraft project coming up on Monster Garage

It looks like the Monster Garage episode featuring Don Steger (filmed 
last month) has been scheduled for Oct. 13th!

This notice was just published at the Delorean Motor Center website:

*DELOREAN HOOVERCRAFT!!! SEE IT ON MONSTER GARAGE ON OCTOBER 13TH

*Don Steger was part of the build team on the show Monster Garage. They 
built a DeLorean Hoovercraft and the show will be shown October 13th on 
Discovery channel. Be sure to check your local listings for time.


Jeff Angwin
VIN 3034


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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:29:26 +0200
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
Subject: AW: delorean power steering??

Hes Guys, maybe a little bit late for a response, but I couldn't resist
as we produce the motors for the new BMW eletrical power steering system.

As far as I know, there's way more than just plug in a motor and it will
work.
My colleague who developped the motor and brought it into series got grey
hairs from it and he didn't even install it into a car himself !

There's a lot of safety stuff to be aware of when messing with this kind of
stuff.

But if somebody is really interested in doing it, I may be able to help.

Elvis




> Jim, the father of wierd DeLorean conversions turning down a
> challenge?
>
> Actually a thought that occurred to me was to check out a BMW (Z4)
> electric Power Steering setup. The power unit is built right into the
> steering column, and the dimensions do not appear to be all that far
> off (sorry - no tape measure at the time). My guess is that in
> typical BMW fashion the controls are tightly integrated into the
> car's computer system so there would be a fair amount of detail work
> to figure out beyond just mounting it. And the power consumption is
> probably NOT insignificant.  As an additional challenge, there's an
> airbag to figure out. . .
>
> Dave Swingle



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