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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1691
Date: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 4:49 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. New Delorean Fan
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

2. Re: rain
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

3. Re: Loss of coolant
From: "Jeff Lawson" <jeffrey.lawson_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>

4. Re: Engine Swap-Out
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

5. Re: Loss of coolant
From: "Jeff Lawson" <jeffrey.lawson_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>

6. Correction: Re: hard starting when cold? Message #35889
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

7. Re: Funny Delorean Story
From: "zdmcman" <zdmcman_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. Re: Loss of coolant (Hose Splice)
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

9. Re: Engine Swap-Out
From: "Me" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

10. Re: Engine Swap-Out
From: "Me" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

11. Goodyear NCT Tires
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

12. insurance buyback questions
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

13. FINAL - Mid-Atlantic Club Fall Foliage Tour IV Itinerary
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

14. Re: insurance buyback questions
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

15. Re: Funny Delorean Stories
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

16. San Diego British Car Day and Picnic - Oct. 5th
From: David Cox <DMCox_at_dml_delorean.com>

17. Re: Re: Engine Mods
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

18. Re: Re: Engine Mods
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

19. Parts Updates
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

20. Re: Correction: Re: hard starting when cold? Message #35889
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

21. RE: Funny Delorean Story
From: <krasniy_at_dml_krasniy.com>

22. Re: insurance buyback questions
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

23. Re: insurance buyback questions
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

24. RE: New Delorean Product
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>

25. Re: FINAL - Mid-Atlantic Club Fall Foliage Tour IV Itinerary
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:30:57 -0500
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: New Delorean Fan

I would like to welcome the newest Delorean fan to the DML, Brynn Evelyn.

You can see pictures of her my Wife Melissa and myself Mark under the photos section
under #6683.

Mark




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 04:18:01 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: rain

Condensation forms inside your engine every time temperature drops.
Water vapor is largest single byproduct of combustion. Should be fine.

Exactly how deep into engine did you go? If you're talking about big
holes with O rings, those weren't combustion chambers themselves but
air ports into cylinder heads.

Rich Acuti can reassure about moisture inside engine. Had heads off
during monsoon season, no garage.

BTW: do ensure your spark plug wires have umbrella boots and are
correctly seated. Rain water can puddle inside plug wells and disrupt
ignition spark.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, John Podlewski <john_podlewski_at_dml_y...>
wrote:
> Quick question when I was putting the air intake manifold on.  It
rained for two days, drizzled,  although, it took about one and a half
days to take everything off and put everything back correctly due to
the rain and among other things.  Everything was pretty much covered
of course but I did notice a little moisture(not puddles of water just
moisture around  IN and  AROUND  the cylinders.  Is this something
that I should be majorly concerned about,  obviously I don't have a
garage but I did dry everything the best I could. Is this something
that a quick oil change will fix????
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 04:38:13 -0000
From: "Jeff Lawson" <jeffrey.lawson_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Loss of coolant

I remember seeing the otterstat now!  I had wondered what that was.  Thanks for also 
referring me to that website.  Looks like something I will bookmark!

Jeff


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Todd Masinelli <tmasin_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> > What is an otterstat?
> 
> Look for a little doohickey with two wires running to it that's sticking out
> of a coolant pipe on the driver's side of your engine.  The otterstat tells
> your fans to kick on when your coolant reaches a certain temperature.
> Ideally you'll find it on the underside of the pipe...if it's on top, an air
> bubble can get trapped there and your fans won't kick on when they should.
> 
> Hank Eskin has a very helpful site for DeLorean newbies
> (http://www.eskin.net/firstdelorean.html).  Here are two otterstat pictures
> from his site:
> http://www.eskin.net/delorean/otterstat1.JPG
> http://www.eskin.net/delorean/otterstat2.JPG
> 
> > I am thinking about ordering Fanzilla.  The info on
> > their website make it sound like the best thing ever.
> > Does it really do anything?
> 
> Yes, it does.  The common benefit you'll hear about is that it staggers the
> starting of the fans so you don't have a huge pull on the car's electrical
> system all at once.  That's great, but for me the biggest benefit of the
> FanZilla was one that I never saw anybody advertise -- the fact that it
> completely bypasses the circuit breaker that leads to the fan relay and the
> fan fail module.  Considering the hot feed from that breaker is what
> appeared to have fried TWO fused wire jumpers in my car to a nasty crisp, I
> wish I had purchased the FanZilla sooner.  Luckily neither incident led to a
> major fire, but they certainly could have.  Go ahead and spring for the
> FanZilla and have one less thing to have to worry about with your new D.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> _______________
> Todd Masinelli
> VIN 6681




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 04:46:35 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Swap-Out

Am burning a replacement PRV already. Should some ill befall it, will
probably rustle up a running Volvo 760 series and simply transfer
block. Is no love lost between myself and the Fench/Swedes, but is
easiest way to keep my DeLo on the road.

Found replacing 460 in one of my Lincolns with earlier high
compression model (1969 into 1979) to be royal pain in the assets.
Headaches all caused merely by decade jump in model years. Everything
from timing chain cover forward had to be updated. Carburetor sat too
low to clear late model cruise control. Exhaust manifolds were too
big. Had to cojoin driveshafts to mate 1979 differential to 1969
transmission. Shift linkage turned around 180 degrees. List goes on...

Totally understand re-engining a DeLo if replacement block itself is
objective. Nothing less will satisfy. But if owner has ongoing problem
tuning PRV, or even has actual damage to engine, may want to ensure
all options on this side of the fence explored before rushing to
jetison block car was designed for (yes, I know PRV was not JZD's
first choice, but it's a lot closer to what cars left factory with
than Vortec's and Northstar's).

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> >. How much extra weight did you put back
> > there? Any?
> 
> The weight is actually about the same (within 20-30 lbs and probably
less
> than that since I took off most of the stock serpentine belt
brackets due to
> space)  Chevy shows "shipping weight" being 434 lbs. Handling wise, I
> haven't noticed any difference.
> 
> > The fact that you did this WITHOUT being an experienced mechanic is
> > incredible.
> 
> Well, think about it this way.  You're just replacing a engine. 
What I mean
> is, your taking out an engine and putting another one in.  You're not
> tearing into the engine, installing cam, valves, rocker rollers, timing
> chain, etc...you're just putting in something else. (if ya
understand what I
> mean)  Knowing that there's enough space there to do it (and I did b/c
> Darryl Tennerset and Mike Bell had done the swap so it must fit!)
all you
> have to do is find a way to mount it and wire it up.  (well, there
is more
> to it than that, but I think you understand my point)  Heck, for that
> matter, you could go with an earlier 4.3 that has no computer and you
> wouldn't even have to worry about that.  However, the wiring is actually
> really simple and you could easily wire any engine to fit into the
> compartment.  I just went with the 94 b/c there's more power and fuel
> effectiveness by a computer controlled setup.  Also, I was able to
wire up
> the OBDI connector so I can troubleshoot any problems I may have.  I
just
> used the 'lambda' light for the 'service engine soon' light. If it
throws a
> code, my 'lambda' light comes on :)  I was able to do the entire
install in
> 9 months and could have it done alot sooner if I didn't hate cold
weather
> soooo much ;)
> 
> I  also have to give ALOT of thanks to others such as Mike Bell and
Darryl
> Tennerset for their info and advice on the engine swap and most
recently Jim
> Strictland and Bob Brandys with their info on the Porsche tranny setup.
> This is also a big factor when you can talk to others who have
actually done
> the swap to get info if you get stuck.  They were invaluable with my
setup
> and I invite anyone who is thinking of doing this similar swap to
call on me
> if needed for info.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Duke
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...>
> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [DML] Engine Swap-Out
> 
> 
> >. How much extra weight did you put back
> > there? Any?
> >
> 
> > The fact that you did this WITHOUT being an experienced mechanic is
> > incredible.
> >
> > Rich
> > #5335




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 04:48:33 -0000
From: "Jeff Lawson" <jeffrey.lawson_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Loss of coolant

Thanks for all the advice!   I will check to see what my otterstat looks like tomorrow. 

I have 3 service manuals but until I get the hood (trunk) open I am on my own.  After I 
bought the car on Thursday evening I put the service manuals in there for safe 
keeping on the way home.    On the way home the coolant hose blew off, and while I 
was waiting for the car to cool down , I went to pop open the hood to get some tools 
out and the hood release cable broke.  :  (  See posting that I left earlier today about 
opening the hood.......

Jeff

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/30/2003 12:36:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jeffrey.lawson_at_dml_s... writes:
> 
> > 
> > What is an otterstat?  The fans seem to be coming on. 
> 
> The otterstat is the switch clipped into the coolant pipe at the bottom of the 
driver's side, which that hose you burst goes to.  it has two wires coming off of it.  it 
is a temperature-sensitive switch that tells the cooling fans when to come on, so they 
aren't running when they don't need to be.  i think this happens around 180-190 
degF?  check the shop manual.   btw, if the wires are pointing upward, loosen both of 
the clamps on each side and turn the pipe upside down so the switch is on the 
bottom. this will eliminate bubble build-up on the switch which can cause the fans to 
come on too late.
> 
>  I am thinking 
> > about ordering Fanzilla.  The info on their website make it sound 
> > like the best thing ever.  Does it really do anything?
> >
> 
> Fanzilla doesn't give you better cooling capacity or anything - it just makes the 
fans turn on sequentially instead of both at once, which is a major current draw which 
can cause melt-down of wiring.
>  
> > It there any particular brand of coolant you would 
> > recommend?  Thanks 
> > again.
> 
> Any top-shelf green-colored antifreeze is good.  make sure it is safe for aluminium 
engines and stay away from the orange Dex-cool antifreeze.  mix it 50/50 with 
distilled water and change it every two years.
> 
> Andy




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 04:54:00 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Correction: Re: hard starting when cold? Message #35889

Expected someone to catch this. Thought about it later myself but
"send" button already pressed...

To test cold start valve simply swap electrical plug with warm up
regulator (which you already know is electrically OK). A lot easier
than running wires to jump start post and block. Apologies.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> wrote:
>
> Just run 12v into valve from jump start post and ground to the block.
> If valve pumps, know you've got a bad thermal time switch (or wiring
> to it bad).
> 





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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 05:28:24 -0000
From: "zdmcman" <zdmcman_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Funny Delorean Story

Well i have s funny story to tell everyone...i was at a gas station 
one night and i was just enjoying the night and this strange guy 
walks up to me and he was like...this here looks like a 
lamborghini....this is a lamborghini mixed with a corvette....i 
stood there wondering if this man had too much to drink...but 
without a pause he kept saying that his dad had one just like it and 
said it was a lamborghini that was split with gm and made in 
columbia....that had to have been by far the strangest thing i have 
ever heard from a person looking at my car....i think he was on 
crack at the time or somthing.....hmmm....

John
Honolulu, Hi
#5458




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 05:57:09 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Loss of coolant (Hose Splice)

You're too tired to be typing David: fans are in the front...

One of those hose splices got me home from SEDOC. Ever since I added
the bracket that holds "upper radiator" hose away from AC belt
(missing from PO), otterstat pipe keeps tipping towards driver axle.
Somewhere on I-85 did just that. Axle wore a pin hole in hose
(remember: I replaced second pipe section with continuous hose).
Fortunately Louie G was following in separate vehicle and drove me to
Autozone minutes before closing. Bought splice kit with 1.25 and 1.5
inch PVC barbs (1.25 too small for hot hose but 1.5 was lubed & jambed
in). Will add to all the other stuff I travel with under hood, and
some proper 1.25" hose.

Am adding second bracket to otterstat pipe to maintain proper
orientation before Fall Foliage.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> It sounds like the origional hose had the fan belt wear through it so
> the P.O. spliced it. When you replace the hose make sure it is away
> from the fan belt! Any national brand of permanant anti-freeze is
> good. Use an ethelyne-glycol base and mix it 50/50 with soft water. I
> highly recomend the Fanzilla. Follow the directions for installation
> and testing. It can't fix problems with the cooling system but it
> improves the electrical system as it relates to the cooling system
> fans. It is a good idea to replace the otterstadt switch and seal when
> doing the Fanzilla. Make sure there is a clip or at least a strap tie
> on the otterstadt switch and NEVER use any silicone on the seal. If
> the hoses are origional they should ALL be replaced.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Lawson" <jeffrey.lawson_at_dml_s...>
wrote:
> > Thanks for the advice.  The hose blew off because the previous owner 
> > had jerry-rigged a hose.  I'll try to explain where the hose is: hose




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:51:44 -0500
From: "Me" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Swap-Out

Jim,

Yea, I wanted to get rid of it because I couldn't figure out how to setup
the fuel system.....after racking my brain for about a week, I gave up but
then a VERY simple solution came to me after walking out into a machine
shop.  Looking back, I feel pretty stupid for letting that simple thing
almost make me give up on it.  Like I said, I didn't have many mechanical
skills back then so, considering everything else other than my brief delmima
with the fuel pump, it was fairly easy.  I guess on a scale of 1-10 with 10
being the hardest and taking into consideration I only had basic knowledge
of how things work on an automobile but decent knowledge of a DeLorean, I'd
say it was about a 5-6.

>> I found myself in the same position as you, why dump so much money into
> 20 year old technology?

This is very true and I think the main complaint I've heard from most
DeLorean owners is "Why doesn't it have more power?" or "How can I get more
power out of  my D?"  At the time I did mine, Houston didn't offer the
engine upgrade, however, in my case with the problems I was having, I knew
it wouldn't be cost effective to spend $5k on an upgrade to a motor that was
giving me problems.  Plus the engine swap allowed me to do things at my pace
money wise.  Also, the swap allowed me to have an engine that parts are
readily available and if I really got into a jam, almost any local shop
could help diagnose a Chevy easier than the PRV engine plus get more HP at
the same time.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Strickland" <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Engine Swap-Out


> Let's not get ahead of ourselves, Duke.  Anything that takes over a year
> to do I would not consider "EXTREMELY easy".  I distinctly remember a
> post on the DML when you were trying to sell your car becuase you were
> tired of the swap.




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:54:43 -0500
From: "Me" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Swap-Out

Josh,

Two companies (that I know of) make Porsche-Chevy bellhousings.  One is
Kennedy Engineering www.kennedyeng.com and the other is Renegade Hybrids
www.renegadehybrids.com   I believe that Kennedy also makes other
bellhousings as well to mount to the Porsche transaxle.  I've been on the
Porsche boards for a while now and have heard really good things about both
companies.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Keady" <joshkeady_at_dml_softhome.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Engine Swap-Out


> I've been looking for it, but haven't read it yet in this thread,
>
> What are you going to do for a bellhousing on the Porsche-Chevy combo?
>
> Josh




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:58:17 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Goodyear NCT Tires

I have up on E-bay a set of used NCT tires. For anyone interested I
lowered the starting bid because I wasn't getting any bidders. There
is less than 1 day left to try to get them. There is a full
description up there. I don't have the link so just go to E-bay and do
a search for Delorean.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:13:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: insurance buyback questions

Well it looks like my battle with the insurance company of the drunk driver who hit me is drawing to a close. I'm getting a really great replacement cost for VIN 10115, but I feel they're jerking us around with the buyback option. I remember reading that people on the list were saying that buyback can be as low as $300 on cars, but the insurance company is quoting me a number that is many many times that. So does anyone have any additional thoughts on the subject, or personal experiences?

-Louie Golden
VIN- Coming again VERY soon :-)

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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:51:44 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: FINAL - Mid-Atlantic Club Fall Foliage Tour IV Itinerary

Please note:
- If you are planning on attending, you must reserve your room NOW!
- If you plan on attending DINNER, you MUST give us a headcount no later
then Oct. 13th!  DO NOT ASSUME WE KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO ATTEND!  e-mail
your headcount to falltour(at)deloreanmidatlantic.com ASAP!
 
The following details can also be found on the club website:
http://www.deloreanmidatlantic.com/events/falltour4.htm
 

4th Annual DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour Itinerary

 October 18th and 19th  

E-mail your questions and dinner head count to
falltour(at)deloreanmidatlantic.com
<mailto:falltour_at_dml_deloreanmidatlantic.com?subject=Fall Tour Question> 

Saturday Oct. 18th 
1:00-1:30.

Meeting Point #1:  Members are invited to start a formal caravan off of
Exit 63 on the NJ Parkway at 1:30pm.  We will be meeting in the
McDonalds/K-Mart Parking lot off of Rt. 72 East (Just off the parkway).
Gary Gore will be coordinating this part of the tour.  There will be
bathroom, gas, and lunch options available at this meeting place, and we
will get underway promptly at 1:30.  Anyone who wishes to arrive earlier
then 1:00pm and have lunch, feel free to contact Gary Gore.
<mailto:Dmc3360_at_dml_aol.com?subject=DMC Fall Tour Lunch Meet/Caravan Meeting
spot> Dmc3360(at)aol.com  Remember to bring your two way radios!  And
please make sure you have gas in your car before we start the tour!

1:30-2:30

Gary will be leading us on a scenic tour of southern NJ which promises
to have some great foliage to view during the drive.  We will be
stopping at  <http://www.batstovillage.org/> Batsto Village in
Hammonton, NJ for QUICK photo shoot.  We will then get underway to our
2nd meeting point of the day.



3:00-3:30

Meeting Point #2:  Members who missed the first meeting point, and the
trip to Batsto Village are invited to meet us at the Garden State
Parkway Exit 42 Rest Area (Rest area is between the north and southbound
lanes of the parkway).  Here will be another chance to use bathroom
facilities and get gas.   We will be leaving at 3:30 sharp!

4:30-7:30

Arrive in Wildwood, NJ and check into the hotel.  We will be staying at
the Ivanhoe Motel (on Saturday night)
<file:///C:/DOCUME~1/phoenix3/LOCALS~1/Temp/FrontPageTempDir/www.ivanhoe
motel.com> www.ivanhoemotel.com we have a Delorean rate of $75 (+
applicable taxes) Please make your reservations ASAP.  609-522-5874

We will take some time to unwind and arrive at the hotel.  For those of
you who are explorers, There are several nearby shops and things to do
in the local area before dinner.

 <http://www.wildwoods.com/> 

7:30-8:00

Dinner at the Ravioli House in Wildwood Crest!
Dinner will be a SET PRICE of $36 per person (This price includes
gratuity and Non-Alcoholic drinks).  Dinner will be served family style
and will include soup, appetizers, salad, pasta, several entrees, and
desserts.  The Ravioli House is a great place to eat, and they even make
all their pasta fresh on site!  Desserts are to kill for, and the food
is always great.  Click the picture below for more information.

HEADCOUNT IS A MUST FOR DINNER!  PLEASE LET US KNOW IF YOU PLAN TO
ATTEND AND THE A TOTAL HEAD COUNT!  RESERVATIONS MUST BE IN NO LATER
THEN OCT. 13th!
E-Mail your dinner party head count to
<mailto:falltour_at_dml_deloreanmidatlantic.com?subject=Fall Tour Dinner Head
Count> falltour(At)deloreanmidatlantic.com

 
<http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/directories/scAds/RavioliHouse/Ravio
liHouse.html> 

Sunday Oct. 19th 

11:00
Hotel Checkout

11:30-1:30

Mike Deluca is trying to set up an opportunity for us to take our cars
ONTO the Wildwood Boardwalk for a show and tell session.  Mike is
currently working with the "powers that be" to obtain permission.

1:30-3:00

Members who are interested can either take a short road tour to nearby
Cape May, NJ to see the historic houses and lighthouse.
OR....
Several members have decided to take a trip to near by Atlantic City and
place a few bets before heading home.  Anyone is welcome to join in!

 Don't forget your FM two way radios we will be on channel 12!
(please bring an extra radio if you have them).



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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:33:16 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: insurance buyback questions

Insurance company in business to make money. Is going to get as much
from salvage vehicle as possible. If it doesn't ask for higher dollar
figure, is guaranteed not to get it. Will ask high but hopefully agree
to something lower.

Whatever you do, don't show your hand. Insurance company has no idea
how much of vehicle is salvageable. They don't need to know. Tell them
story about DeLo windshields cracking because of plastic body, gas
slowly eating hole in tank, whatever. Just need to convince them you
want entire vehicle for future possibilities.

General public is so mortified when it discovers car not made of
stainless steel that could be promising line of reasoning. 

Wonder if any of them would ever be open mided enough to notice that
plastic did pretty good job of saving your life?

$300 seems low. Given amount they're paying out, they must surely
suspect more than that in remaining vehicle. They just have no idea
where it is or how to sell it. Advantage: Louie. Of course they'll
have car. Advantage: insurance company.

Good Luck.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Well it looks like my battle with the insurance company of the drunk
driver who hit me is drawing to a close. I'm getting a really great
replacement cost for VIN 10115, but I feel they're jerking us around
with the buyback option. I remember reading that people on the list
were saying that buyback can be as low as $300 on cars, but the
insurance company is quoting me a number that is many many times that.
So does anyone have any additional thoughts on the subject, or
personal experiences?
> 
> -Louie Golden
> VIN- Coming again VERY soon :-)
> 
> _____________________________________________________________
> Pre-order the updated second edition of  "DeLorean: Stainless Steel
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:53:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Funny Delorean Stories

I had a really interesting experience a while back. Bill Robertson and myself were coming back from the SEDOC meet, and Bill's DeLorean decided to rupture a coolant hose in west Charlotte at about 10pm. For those who don't know, west Charlotte is a tad shady to say the least. Well while Bill was underneath his DeLorean repairing the hose and drowning in coolant, I held the flashlight for him so he could halfway see to work. During this time I had all sorts of vagrants and all other types of people come up and chat with me about the cars. Everyone was actually incredibly friendly and truly excited to see them.... until a guy I've named Sniffles came along... lol. He and his posse jumped out of their BMW convertible and came over and demanded that he buy the DeLorean I was driving on the spot. I explained to him that it was on loan to me for the weekend since I just wrecked mine, and I couldn't sell it to him. This didn't stop Sniffles... he said he had $20,000 in his car right now, and that he wanted to take it RIGHT NOW. He demanded I take him to the owners house, which I refused to do. We went round and round for about 20 minutes before he got the hint that he wasn't going to leave with the car... lol. He kept saying how awesome the "chrome" body was too... and I kept correcting him that it was stainless steel... but he had decided it was chrome, and I was wrong. He actually opened up the door at one point and plopped down into the seat. I was just amazed... I'd never seen anyone act like this in my entire life. I just didn't know how to react. I probably would have reacted a lot more negatively had I not been seriously outnumbered by his very large counterparts (I'm not tiny either... I'm about 6'3" tall). I don't think Bill ever heard a single word of the event. Well, Sniffles finally got bored with the car, and got peeved and told his buddies that he didn't want the thing anyways, and that "let's go get some sniffles and go to tha club," and they hopped in their car and sped off. Anyhow... I've had all sorts
 of crazy people come up and say the most rediculous things to me when driving a DeLorean... but this event takes the cake of the craziest encounter... lol.

-Louie Golden
VIN- Coming again very soon :-)

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:03:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Cox <DMCox_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: San Diego British Car Day and Picnic - Oct. 5th

I'd like to invite everyone to come join me in Fallbrook this Sunday for the 24th Annual San Diego British Car Day and Picnic.  Information and directions can be found at http://www.sandiegobritishcarday.org/flyer03.html

This will be the 3rd year I've attended, and it's a lot of fun.  So far, Deloreans have always been in a separate category, so we compete only against ourselves for a fairly nice little trophy (even if it does say "Other")  Attendance is very high - I think somewhere around 300 cars - Mini's, a 3-wheeled Morgan, Rolls, Jags, Lotus (kind of fun to take a close look at our cousin, the Esprit, and compare/contrast), MGs, Austin-Healys, etc.  This event is sponsored by the same people who put on the Rolling British Car Show.  We attended that last spring and surprised the organizers with 9 Deloreans!  Help me surprise them again!

Dave
vin 16367


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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:51:31 -0700
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Engine Mods

Prior post:
 "As with the turbo cars, it leaned out
 horribly on the top end. Any of these solutions really exceed the
 capacity of the stock fuel distributor/injectors."


I was talking to an authorized Bosch mechanic with regard to my solution to
the 'lean at boost' problem. What I do is inject windshield washer fluid in
liberal amounts onto the turbo impeller whenever I am in positive boost.  It
cools the intake tract as well as adding fuel to the fire.  As well as it
works it would be nice to not need it.

The mechanic suggested modifying the Bosch mixture control unit by removing
the plunger and machining a little more taper into the plunger such that it
flowed more fuel at the higher air flows encountered at boost. Seemed
reasonable to me but before I attempt it I was wondering if anyone on the
DML has any experience with the process. This would be a irreversible mod to
a very expensive component.

Thanks,
Don Ekhoff
#6543





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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:51:54 -0700
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Engine Mods

Prior post:
 "As with the turbo cars, it leaned out
 horribly on the top end. Any of these solutions really exceed the
 capacity of the stock fuel distributor/injectors."


I was talking to an authorized Bosch mechanic with regard to my solution to
the 'lean at boost' problem. What I do is inject windshield washer fluid in
liberal amounts onto the turbo impeller whenever I am in positive boost.  It
cools the intake tract as well as adding fuel to the fire.  As well as it
works it would be nice to not need it.

The mechanic suggested modifying the Bosch mixture control unit by removing
the plunger and machining a little more taper into the plunger such that it
flowed more fuel at the higher air flows encountered at boost. Seemed
reasonable to me but before I attempt it I was wondering if anyone on the
DML has any experience with the process. This would be a irreversible mod to
a very expensive component.

Thanks,
Don Ekhoff
#6543





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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:18:19 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Parts Updates

The SP10691 Pin Retainers are now in stock - these are the plastic clips
that hold the rocker panels in place. Many times they break when removed and
replacements had been unavailable for years. We now have these in stock.

Angle drives are in the final testing, and production should start in a week
or so. Expected availability by Thanksgiving. Pricing still being worked
out, but definitely less than $80 each.

The SSI reprint is complete, and the books are being bound now. Expected to
be on the water later this week, and in our hands by November 5. Orders will
be filled in the order received, so if you haven't pre-ordered your SSI, do
so now to avoid delays.

The first samples of the new lower ball joints have arrived and are being
evaluated. Expected availability is before the end of the year, with pricing
in the $30-40 range or less.

Watch for another update later this week or next about fuse boxes!

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
15023 Eddie Drive
Humble, Texas 77396

281/441-2537 Voice
281/441-2813 Fax
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com 




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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:09:06 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Correction: Re: hard starting when cold? Message #35889

In a message dated 10/1/03 10:45:43 AM Central Daylight Time, 
brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net writes:

> Expected someone to catch this. Thought about it later myself but
> "send" button already pressed...
> 
> To test cold start valve simply swap electrical plug with warm up
> regulator (which you already know is electrically OK). A lot easier
> than running wires to jump start post and block. Apologies.
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939

Yeah, actually i figured that out before i read this too.  i found that the 
cold start works when using the CPR wiring, so i ordered a new thermotime 
switch and hopefully all will be good.

Andy


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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:53:15 -0400
From: <krasniy_at_dml_krasniy.com>
Subject: RE: Funny Delorean Story


Kind of scarey to wonder what else they are misinformed about.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Stiefel 

Subject: RE: [DML] Funny Delorean Story
 Maybe they are trained that way from corporate?





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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:19:22 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: insurance buyback questions

Some insurance companies have contract deals with salvage companies so
they get a flat price for every car they turn over. Others do it on a
case-by-case basis so they can try to maximize the value on each car.
The best advice is to just tell the adjuster your highest offer and
let him know you will buy the car back if they can't get more than
your offer. Most people in your position usually want nothing to do
with the totaled car. In this case we know why you want it but from a
purely economics point of view it is only worth so much and you are in
a better position to know what that is. You might suggest to the
adjuster to contact one of the Delorean venders to "educate" him on
the true value. In any case if they want too much you do have the
choice of saying no and moving on. At least you didn't have to cover
any deductible and you say they are being generous with the amount.
Make sure they paid for all the incidental costs too like towing,
storage, personal items lost or damaged, any personal injury and
medical bills, etc before you sign over the title. These can become
your responsablity if the insurance company doesn't pay. Don't forget
title costs, registration fees, and taxes on your replacement car. You
may be able to use that as leverage to reduce the salvage price. In
New Jersey when you register a car it costs the registration fee PLUS
6% of the price you pay for the car. If they give you a car for say
$15,000 to register it will cost around $60 for the registration but
the tax is $900. You forget because that was paid "up front". Even if
you transfer the plates you will have to pay the tax! Use that to
negotiate the salvage price!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Well it looks like my battle with the insurance company of the drunk
driver who hit me is drawing to a close. I'm getting a really great
replacement cost for VIN 10115, but I feel they're jerking us around
with the buyback option. I remember reading that people on the list
were saying that buyback can be as low as $300 on cars, but the
insurance company is quoting me a number that is many many times that.
So does anyone have any additional thoughts on the subject, or
personal experiences?
> 
> -Louie Golden
> VIN- Coming again VERY soon :-)
> 
> _____________________________________________________________
> Pre-order the updated second edition of  "DeLorean: Stainless Steel
Illusion" now! Details <a
href="http://www.stainless-steel-illusion.com" target="_blank">here!</a>




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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:25:26 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: insurance buyback questions

Louie,

I got my 82 camaro back for free.
I got my 75 olds back for free






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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:13:50 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>
Subject: RE: New Delorean Product

The Key Car is a clever idea.

When I was in College a friend ask me what I would like for Christmas, I
said a Red Ferrari.

She gave me a "Key Car" which was the size of a Hot wheels and had a regular
sized key sticking in the back of it.  You squeeze the key and the car would
shoot forward.  It was a fun toy for those boring days in the design lab.

Let me know via direct email when you have additional "Key Cars" available
for sale.
Scott.a.mueller (at) mchsi.com

Scott Mueller
002981
RNDOLA




-----Original Message-----
From: Rustproof [mailto:Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:44 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] New Delorean Product


If anyone's interested, I've posted a New Delorean Product that may interest
you guys (and ladies) on ebay along with a Driver's side torsion bar that I
yanked from my parts vehicle and a hood from an 82. You can view them at the
following three links:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2192933004&category=418&r
d=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10076&item=2433563117

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10076&item=2433564723

I would appreciate any feedback you may have regarding the new
product...Thanks! Rustproof Vin #1559




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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:30:34 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: FINAL - Mid-Atlantic Club Fall Foliage Tour IV Itinerary

chris aqnd I will be there for sat and sun 
friday is tentative since we may stop by and see John 

Ken


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