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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1697
Date: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:09 AM

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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: BAE turbo insturctions
From: "Darryl Tinnerstet" <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>

2. Porsche 915 tranny swap
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

3. RE: kicked in the you-know-where
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jack_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>

4. Re: kicked in the you-know-where
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: kicked in the you-know-where
From: KiwiDean_at_dml_aol.com

6. 2 New HOWTO's added today #9 #10
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. interior lamps (was diode location)
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: interior lamps (was diode location)
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

9. Re: interior lamps (was diode location)
From: "Marcel" <mbourgon_at_dml_elp.rr.com>

10. NEAT project D For Sale
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

11. Re: diode location for door ajar/delay lamps
From: Jan van de Wouw <delorean_at_dml_home.nl>

12. Re: kicked in the you-know-where
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

13. Forgot to mention
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

14. South-East England
From: "Gary Hull" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>

15. RE: heater control valve
From: "Chuck Kay" <chuckkay_at_dml_comcast.net>

16. Re: kicked in the you-know-where
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 22:26:46 -0700
From: "Darryl Tinnerstet" <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: RE: BAE turbo insturctions

I have the instructions for installing a BAE turbo.  Send me your mailing address directly and I'll send you a copy.

Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA
www.delorean-parts.com


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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 01:12:04 -0500
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Porsche 915 tranny swap

Well, here's an update on the latest swap.  (btw, for people who don't know,
I have had a Chevy Vortec 4.3 in for the last 3 years, bolted up to the
stock DeLorean auto tranny)  The tranny arrived on Friday (a '72 Porsche 915
type tranny out of a 911 series) and everything seemed to measure up fine.
Today we removed the stock DeLorean tranny, Chevy/DeLorean bellhousing and
half shafts.  We set the Porsche tranny in place and its a PERFECT
replacement for the DeLorean.  It even mounts up PERFECTLY to the half
shafts even using the same bolts the DeLorean did.  I was hoping I had
measured correctly and everything is right on so far.  Now the hard part,
the linkage.  (since my tranny is a auto and the Porsche 915 is a manual
clutch setup)  It will probably be sometime before I have another update,
cause I gotta start saving up for the little one's for Christmas, but I had
gotten alot of emails asking about the tranny and wanted to let everyone
know.   I've taken some pics and will post them probably on Monday.


Duke




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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:41:46 -0400
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jack_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>
Subject: RE: kicked in the you-know-where

Not always.  While in business you can write off miles on your car and gas
purchases, sometimes a lease deal makes better sense.  I know for years we
leased vehicles for our company until my father sold the business.  Offhand
I don't remember the situation, but it was more savings/better write
offs/more protection leasing.

If they were ALWAYS rip offs no one would ever lease and therefore auto
makers would stop offering leases.

Now for the moderators, I wonder if DeLorean offered any leases when new?

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-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Turkal [mailto:wturkal_at_dml_cbu.edu]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 6:37 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] kicked in the you-know-where

On Friday 03 October 2003 02:56 pm, KiwiDean_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
> Aaarrgghh!  I had the opportunity to acquire a lovingly kept 1983
Delorean.
>  My bank gave me a $15,000 line of credit to buy it, and the test-drive
and
> vechicle inspection was oh-so-sweet.  But the car I am currently driving
is
> a leased vehicle, and when I tried to terminate the lease (as I would not
> be able to maintain two cars andthat I was depending on the money saved
> from the lease to pay back the line of credit), I was told that it would
> cost me $8,000 to do so.  Talk about a kick-in-the-pants!

Leases are always rip offs.

wt
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President, GOLUM, Inc.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:41:12 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: kicked in the you-know-where

In a message dated 10/5/03 11:56:05 AM Central Daylight Time, 
jack_at_dml_sacketmansion.com writes:

> If they were ALWAYS rip offs no one would ever lease and therefore auto
> makers would stop offering leases.

LOL, on the contrary, that's EXACTLY why they offer leases - they are in most 
cases a rip-off and the general public knows no better.  lots of $$$$$ for 
them, while you are under the impression that you are saving money....

YMMV of course.

Andy


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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:17:36 EDT
From: KiwiDean_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: kicked in the you-know-where

In my case, the dealers mislead me  (surprise, surprise), in which they told 
me that termination of leasing was not a problem........  Well, that piece of 
misinformation cost me a 1983 Delorean.  And that really stinks!!!!

Dean. 


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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:45:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: 2 New HOWTO's added today #9 #10

Hello all:

   I have submitted 2 new howto's today, the result of
work done this weekend.  They cover the following
topics.

1. HOWTO: Remove/Install dash binnacle
2. HOWTO: Perform maintenance on dash lighting.

The first howto was created so i could perform the
second howto, which was the actual task.  My dash
lights are working 10x better now than before.

Thanx to John at specialtauto for sending me the
information i needed for the job.

You can find the HOWTO's at the regular location.

http://retroserver.no-ip.com/index2.html

click on delorean to go to the delorean page.

thanx

Jordan 11613


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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:50:51 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: interior lamps (was diode location)

List,

OK i found the diodes for my interior lamps and door ajar circuits.  the 
driver's side one was unplugged.  plugged it back in and now everything works as 
stock.  however i am interested in improvements (it's never good enough!)

1. a while back on the DML people were mentioning using heavy duty diodes.  i 
am not too keen on electrical things, so why is a heavy duty diode going to 
better?  why should i upgrade, and if i should, exactly what parts do i ask for 
at a radio shack or wherever.

2.  the lamp delay module. it sucks.  as i understand it, this has been a 
long time complaint for 2 decades.  i have some photocopies of solutions 
involving quite a bit of soldering and circuit boards.  i'm not good enough to do all 
this stuff.... does anyone have a better solution?  or is this just something 
to live with. another DML'er and i were talking about how the delay setup that 
is in DW would be better if the starter would shut off the dome light when 
you got in (turn the key, start the car, dome light doesn't stay on for 90 
seconds before fade out). every other car on earth does it like this.....

any thoughts?
Andy


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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:38:53 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: interior lamps (was diode location)

I'm not too sure why this has come up before - the only diode I know of 
failing "regularly" (I've known 3 cars that have had this happen) is the 
dode that feeds the "lock doors" light.

To answer your question, an alternative is to replace the lightbulbs in 
your door lights with super-bright LEDs. They are available as plug-in 
replacements. Doing this has several advantages:

Half the current draw - you can leave your doors open for longer without 
draining the battery
Less stress on the diodes you are talking about that feed the power to 
the lights
LED's by their nature run a lot cooler than standard bulbs. (I have seen 
door light lenses that have melted)
They will last forever.

I have tried super-bright white LEDs in my door and they do create a 
different "colder" light when the lenses are put in place, but they are 
just as bright.

Best Wishes

Martin

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

>1. a while back on the DML people were mentioning using heavy duty diodes.  i 
>am not too keen on electrical things, so why is a heavy duty diode going to 
>better?  why should i upgrade, and if i should, exactly what parts do i ask for 
>at a radio shack or wherever.
>  
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:11:40 -0600
From: "Marcel" <mbourgon_at_dml_elp.rr.com>
Subject: Re: interior lamps (was diode location)

Martin;
Just got my baby back and trying to sort out a few small items.  Like the
idea of replacing the lights in doors with the diodes you just mentioned.
Where can one buy these and what exactly are we looking for.  Help would be
greatly appreciated
Marcel in El Paso
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Gutkowski" <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] interior lamps (was diode location)


> I'm not too sure why this has come up before - the only diode I know of
> failing "regularly" (I've known 3 cars that have had this happen) is the
> dode that feeds the "lock doors" light.
>
> To answer your question, an alternative is to replace the lightbulbs in
> your door lights with super-bright LEDs. They are available as plug-in
> replacements. Doing this has several advantages:
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:20:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: NEAT project D For Sale

Hey group,

I just wanted to inform everyone that I found a really neat project D for sale in Raleigh, NC. It's a one owner 32k mile EARLY '81... VIN 781! So that means it's got the gas flap hood, black interior, auto transmission, and dark wheels. It's currently painted red, but the paint is faded. The car could be repainted, but it looks like the paint is already coming off in some spots, so it's possible it could be an easy strip to return it to stainless. The interior needs some tidying up... new seatcovers would really make 100% of a difference in the car. The dash and binnacle have no cracks... really the only part that looks aweful are the seats. 

The best thing about this car is it will be an almost entirely cosmetic restoration... it's been nearly completely taken care of mechanically. It went to PJ Grady's in 1996 and had over $10k worth of work done to it. It's got all the updates and Zillas... the electrical, brake, and cooling systems have all been updated, gone through, and replaced. The car absolutely purrs... it's one of the smoothest idling DeLo's I've heard. It runs very strong, and shifts as it should (it's got a new computer governor for the tranny). The main mechanical problems I found with the car are fairly easy fixes. Some of the coolant hoses are dryrotted, the oil sender is leaking slightly, and there is some fluid leaking from the transmission. I'm not an expert on DeLo automatics... so I'm not sure if that's a big deal or not. Probably just needs a new gasket. The frame and undercarriage are perfect... one of the nicest I've seen. Just very grimy. The doors also operate nicer than any DeLorean I've ever seen. They are absolutely buttery smooth. This car has great bones, it just needs someone to come and finish off the cosmetics. It'd be one heck of a fun project... I wish I had the time to take it on.

If anyone's interested in the car, contact me off list at Louie(AT)DeLorean.com and I'll hook you up with the owner. He's asking $12.5k for the car currently... but he seems motivated to sell.

Louie Golden
VIN- Coming again soon!

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 00:27:02 +0200
From: Jan van de Wouw <delorean_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: diode location for door ajar/delay lamps

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 20:20:15 EDT, Andy wrote:

> Can someone tell me exactly where the diodes are for the
> interior delay lamps/door ajar lights/running lights?

Look for the three of them taped to the wiring loom under
the dashboard, running atop the center console. It's to the
right of your right knee when you're in the driver's seat.

They're about 1.5" long and cylindrical, on mine they were
Black, Red and Blue, clearly printed with a Diode-symbol.

Good Luck,

JAN van de Wouw

Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 22:30:29 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: kicked in the you-know-where

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jack Stiefel" <jack_at_dml_s...> wrote:
<SNIP>
> If they were ALWAYS rip offs no one would ever lease and therefore auto
> makers would stop offering leases.
<SNIP>

Leasing a vehicle can has both it's advantages, and it's disadvantages
depending upon the vehicle, and it's intended use. The main
disadvantage of course is that when the lease is over, you have no
physical asset to show for the money that you've paid out.

However, there are two specific advantages to leasing a vehicle. The
first being that you can "afford" to drive a more expensive/luxurious
vehicle for less cash. And if the vehicle you've chosen is going to
take a nosedive when it comes to deappriciation, you can cut your
losses, so to speak when it comes time to dispose of the vehicle.
Rather than take a financial hit by beeing too far upside down on a
loan, you can just walk away from a vehicle, and get into another
without having to refi any costs from any previous financial obligations.

Is a lease a bad idea? Sometimes, yes. If it's a vehicle that you plan
on keeping for a long time, you plan on voiding the limitations of the
lease, or any other reason, then yes, leasing a vehicle is not a wise
choice. If you wish to purchase the vehicle at that point, it may cost
you more than it did initially.

Also, leasing too many cars can be a problem for many auto
manufacturers. In the 90's, Ford decided to push the option of leasing
cars heavily onto consumers. This was great for the manufacturing
division, that was cranking out cars left and right. But when the
overwhelming number of lease vehicles were simply returned, rather
than purchased as Ford Credit Division had hoped, they ended up with a
stockpile of used cars that eventually had to be sacrificed at
auctions to get rid of them. And that ended up eating a good chunk of
FoMoCo's profits. So leasing has both it's advantages, and it's
disadvantages for both parties involved.


> Now for the moderators, I wonder if DeLorean offered any leases when
new?

Nope, DMC had no financial services division. Which despite the
companies financial woes, and it's ups and downs could quite possibly
have saved it. I once worked with a guy who told me that he was the
finance manager at a dealership which sold DeLoreans. An eye-opening
revalation was that contrary to what history books say, DeLoreans were
not unpopular. All the dealership had to do was park one out at the
street, and people would naturally walk onto the lot, and chase down a
salesman to find out more about the car. And while some people were a
bit turned off by the price, many said that they still wanted the car.
The problem was when it came to financing. As was told to me, GMAC was
the primary finance company that dealt with financing of all vehicles
on the lot, new or used. When the DeLorean first hit the dealerships,
everyone paid cash for them. So financing wasn't a concern. Later on
as more cars became available, and more people needed financing, GMAC
was all business, and was happy to oblige. But a few months later,
they turned tail, and refused to finance ANY DeLoreans. The guy that
told me this story said that he was told this directly from a GMAC
loan officer over the phone when attempting to secure financing for
someone who obviously qualified credit wise. Soon after, many other
financal groups followed GMAC's lead, figuring that they must know
something that no one else did. After that, it was typicly the
responsability of the buyer to secure their own financing from their
bank, or credit union. Which impluse buyers would have lost interest,
and lazy people would not have been willing to do the footwork themselves.

So, with no financing available, that turned away buyers. And with no
buyers, cars began to pile up. Many reporters, and "experts" began to
view as the cars being "unpopular", and having build problems. Which
when you look at the over all picture, was actually quite the contrary.

-Robert
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:11:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Forgot to mention

I forgot to mention in my previous posting about the Red DeLorean for sale here in NC that I took some digital pics of the car that I can email out to any interested parties.

Louie Golden
Sanford & Charlotte NC

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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:35:38 -0700
From: "Gary Hull" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>
Subject: South-East England

If anyone in South-East England knows where a person might be able to rent a
car for a Prom, please contact me directly for the contact information -
gary(at)in2time.com.

Personally, I wouldn't leave my car with a couple at the Prom, but might
consider hiring it out for transportation TO, the prom, and then swap cars
after they arrive.

Gary
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:22:50 -0400
From: "Chuck Kay" <chuckkay_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: RE: heater control valve

Look at the photo section in dmcnews.  There is a picture of the original
heater value and the new one I bought.

	Chuck vin 10610

-----Original Message-----
From: ablemanse [mailto:s.ableman_at_dml_worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 7:16 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] heater control valve


 Hi,

    Somewhere I saw a after market heater control valve but now that I
need one I can't find it. Was it a Subaru? I've looked in the archives
 and saw that someone bought one at NAPA but he didn't say what it was
ment for.

TIA Steve 1089



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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:27:59 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: kicked in the you-know-where

In a message dated 10/5/03 7:39:22 PM Central Daylight Time, 
DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com writes:

> 
> So, with no financing available, that turned away buyers. And with no
> buyers, cars began to pile up. Many reporters, and "experts" began to
> view as the cars being "unpopular", and having build problems. Which
> when you look at the over all picture, was actually quite the contrary.

Very interesting information Robert.
I wonder why this info was never brought up in other places (interviews, news 
stories, auto magazines...).  Yet another way to defend our cars to the 
critical public!

Andy


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