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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1711
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 5:44 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Monster Garage
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_comcast.net>

2. Yes, once again. Monster Garage...
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

3. Jessie's Apology
From: "Mike" <mquinto_at_dml_attbi.com>

4. Re: Monster Garage Thoughts & more
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

5. Re: Looking for some Transmission Parts
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

6. FW: Delorean Fall Tour Dinner Confirmations
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

7. RE: VIN 20105
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>

8. RE: The Golden DeLorean
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>

9. Re: Re: New member. Overheating problems
From: Glenn <green95gst_at_dml_earthlink.net>

10. Re: Fourth Gold DeLorean
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

11. RE: thoughts from my first car show
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>

12. GAS STRUTS - DOOR
From: Lance Haslewood <lanceh_at_dml_zeta.org.au>

13. mode switch diaphram disassembly & reassembly instructions??
From: "dmcyoseppi" <dmcyoseppi_at_dml_yahoo.com>

14. Re: Hoods with Accent Lines Question.
From: "Tom" <tomcio_at_dml_gtemail.net>

15. Re: GAS STRUTS - DOOR
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

16. Re: GAS STRUTS - DOOR
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: The Golden DeLorean
From: Don Ekhoff <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

18. Re: Re: New member. Overheating problems
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

19. Re: GAS STRUTS - DOOR
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

20. Re: GAS STRUTS - DOOR
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

21. Diode and Dahboard Earth Locations
From: "jchapelhow" <chapelhow_at_dml_hotmail.com>

22. Re: The Golden DeLorean
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>

23. Re: Diode and Dahboard Earth Locations
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

24. Re: Re: New member. Overheating problems
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

25. Auto tranny weight?
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:23:10 -0500
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Monster Garage

Not that I'm necessarily defending Jesse's actions, but this is a cut and
pasted actual comment from him concerning the MG Delorean episode.

"I'M A TOTAL A**HOLE!!........I WAS PRETTY SUPRISED BY THE WAY I ACTED
...DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT A D**KHEAD I WAS........I'M THE REASON WHY IT
FAILED...BY LACK OF LEADERSHIP AND A C R A P P Y ATTITUDE.....JUST WANNA SAY
SORRY.......I WONT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE........WFW (this is from the
online forum page for Monster Garage on their website, Jesse's screen name
is Vanilla Gorilla)

It's obvious by this statement, that on review of the show, Jesse felt like
he acted inappropriately, and in fact, this was the first show to ever have
a member of the crew kicked off, in no small part because of Jesse's
attitude. Although this is the first episode that I've ever seen of MG, I
will probably watch some others just to put his actions into more context,
and to compare this show to others. I get the feeling that MG isn't really
about putting any car on a pedestal and treating it with respect, it's more
about ripping stuff apart and making something completely different. Did the
windows a body panels need to be trashed? Probably not, but the shows not
about restoring cars, it's about ripping them apart. Why would they treat
the Delorean any different?  It was sad to see the car crumpled at the end,
(especially considering I don't own one yet), but if anyone has seen the
warehouse at DMC in Houston, it looks like they have enough parts to last
the entire Delorean community a very long time.

As far as the reputation of the car goes, you will always have people that
criticize something they don't understand. Do you think Jesse knows the
history of the car, the effort it took to just get it into production, the
sacrifices made, or the attention it gets compared to cars that cost twice
as much. Did anyone see Jesse's bike, or Jesse's tattoos? He's into
chopper's and '54 Chevy's (says so in his bio). To a guy like this, the
typical Delorean owner is going to come off as nerdy or dorky. How do you
think Jesse would react towards a Lotus or a Maserati? The guys he hangs
around have modified Impalas.

I can tolerate one or two older guys making stupid jokes about the car, when
the younger crowd, especially kids under 10, look at the Delorean like it's
the coolest thing they've ever seen. After all, in 20 years, these kids will
have money, and they won't remember the cocaine jokes or the failure of the
company, they'll remember the spaceship they saw, and they'll buy it.

P.S.: I'm ready to see them hack up a Pontiac Aztek, really rip apart a
vehicle that deserves it. (now I'll have the Aztek owners after me)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_comcast.net>
To: "Dmcnews_at_dml_Yahoogroups. Com" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:33 AM
Subject: [DML] Monster Garage


> Watched the Monster Garage episode last night. Very interesting episode.
My wife and I weren't sure what to think, since we don't watch the series on
a regular basis. Jesse James seemed to hate the initial idea at first, but
then he actually got into it and seemed mad at the end when they weren't
able to pull it off by the time limit. I went to the Monster Garage site and
read a little into the forum page about this episode and peoples comments
about it. Here's the link:
>
>
http://discovery.infopop.net/1/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=6941912904&f=9951983295&m=3211967086
>
> !!Warning!! Not all the comments are positive towards the Delorean itself
(which I don't understand, since the car itself isn't as important as what
they are trying to accomplish with it on the show). The first posting is
from Jesse and he even admits he messed up by not being in on the project
from day one and was rougher on the guys than he should have been. I also
read that Jesse and the producers pick and approve the project, so
regardless of how he reacted at first, he wanted to do the project to begin
with.
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:26:08 EDT
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Yes, once again. Monster Garage...

Perhaps many of you haven't seen the show Monster Garage...
    I read someone had been disgusted with the smashing of the windows; the 
tossing of the stainless left and right. Maybe the lot of you didn't like the 
rare nature of the DeLorean, and the fact that it was used in this manner. I 
don't know, maybe a lot of you think someone might have enjoyed the 1 1/2 cars 
they used to make this show.
    Well, welcome to Monster Garage. What would be entertaining in taking the 
glass out, and selling it to DeLorean owners? How would it be fun to just use 
a regular, dime-a-dozen Neon for this hovercraft? I think they used the 
DeLorean for this project because it's an interesting car. Call me weird. Hell, I 
would pay to see a DeLorean hover over water and the like. 
    Of course I wanted to see the crew prevail, but it just didn't turn out 
that way. They decided to plow it over with an APC. Personally, I acted the 
same way that I did when Jesse took a mini-gun to the RX-7, and a car crusher to 
the Hearse. I was excited to see how it was going to be destroyed, and equally 
excited to watch it. Which brings me to another point: why not sacrifice the 
DeLorean for the entertainment of the X amount of people that watched the 
episode, instead of just one owner? Think "Back to the Future."
    I also love Jesse for the way he acts and handles things. Is he just 
going to say, "Oh, its too bad this car didn't make it." or "Boy, I sure like 
those doors." I have to ask, what would be so interesting about him if that is 
what he said? Nothing. Instead, he ripped on the DeLorean, just like he does for 
most everything. Why get so upset? Its his own opinion and personality. The 
way he is makes the show.
    All I am really trying to say is lighten up! I don't know if many of you 
saw the DeLorean fanatic/mechanic let loose on the destruction of the car, but 
I sure did. The world may be 1 1/2 DeLoreans less, but a lot of entertainment 
and such came of it. 
    Hey, at least now your DeLorean is worth more....

John
Yes, a DeLorean owner.
4275
    


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:49:29 -0000
From: "Mike" <mquinto_at_dml_attbi.com>
Subject: Jessie's Apology

Hello List,
I was also upset about the episode. I never really cared for JJ or 
his show. I always thought it was a rip off of Junkyard Wars.
What made me mad was JJ attacking the electrician guy. You could 
tell the poor sole could not verbally defend himself against JJ's 
childish vulgarity. I was let down by the rest of the team not 
sticking together to defend him. One guy walks they all should have 
walked. If someone like that talked down to me or my team using 
vulgarity, You can bet my voice would be heard. Just my 2 cents.
Regards
Mike

This text was taken from the monster garage message board. I think 
Jessie James signs in as vanillago-rilla 
This was his statement after the show aired. Once again he shows his 
intelligence not just with his mis-spellings but with more vulgarity.

I'M A TOTAL A**HOLE!!........I WAS PRETTY SUPRISED BY THE WAY I 
ACTED ...DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT A D**KHEAD I WAS........I'M THE REASON 
WHY IT FAILED...BY LACK OF LEADERSHIP AND A C R A P P Y 
ATTITUDE.....JUST WANNA SAY SORRY.......I WONT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE 
TWICE........WFW






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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:12:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Monster Garage Thoughts & more

My comparison of the two cars holds water in my eyes. DeLoreans and Boss 302's are both limited run sports cars that were collectors right out of the box. No, you can't compare a stock Mustang to a DeLorean. There have literally been millions and millions of Mustangs sold. If there were millions of DeLoreans sold... then destroying DeLoreans or modifying them heavily wouldn't be an issue at all really. The reality is that there is a finite number of DeLoreans... and that number shrinks every year due to wrecks, fires, floods, theft, and neglect. They're still making Mustangs Steve.

All I'm saying is that for the DeLorean to ever be taken seriously in collector's eyes... we as owners and enthusiasts have to show that we take the cars seriously as classics. It's one thing to modify DeLoreans to your own personal needs by adding stereo equipment... or by making fully opening windows and such. It's another to  hack a DeLorean up on national TV, stomp on the parts, and then end up running over the car out of anger with a tank. If we as owners don't treat our cars with respect... then who's going to? What kind of message is this putting out to potential new owners? This is perpetuating the notion that DeLoreans are dogs... and that even we as owners can't wait to smash up our crappy cars.

I know in reality many of these cars like Rich's have been "saved from the grave" by becoming modified. But if they can be brought back to life as a hovercraft or convertible, then my intelligence (or lack thereof) tells me they can be brought back to stock. I don't mean to single you out Rich... I've got no ill will towards you... you're just a public example of what I'm trying to say. I seriously applaud you for giving the DeLorean some PR. The idea that there's no such thing as bad publicity really doesn't apply to the DeLorean. The car already has serious issues as far as it's reputation, we really don't need to fuel the flame in this way.

Regardless of the fairly small demand for DeLoreans now, there will likely be a larger one in the future. You just don't see people doing this kind of stuff to Yenko Camaro's or Boss Mustangs. There will be a point when people will clamor to save very poor condition DeLoreans that normally would be tossed aside. All I'm saying is that we need to look to the future of the cars.

Louie Golden

--- Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
Hang on here.  It took me about 30 seconds on Google
to find a pic of a Mustang 4x4:

http://people.ucsc.edu/~kbrandt/pics/

It didn't appear to have been a Boss 302, but that
comparison just doesn't work.  You're comparing a
special edition of the total run of Mustangs to the
entire run of Deloreans.  A fair comparison would be
to compare the Boss 302 to say, the Gold Deloreans, or
the Factory turbos cars.  I haven't seen anyone
cutting any of those up.  Anyone with any intelligence
knows that often (not always), the cars that get
severly customized, were the victims of some sort of
damage and are now in their "second lives".  


Steve
(builder of the HIGHLY MODIFIED, Project Delorean)
www.projectdelorean.com  (update soon, I promise)

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:58:12 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for some Transmission Parts

Clarification - this is a part that is INSIDE the transmission, i.e. 
it's the main shaft that 3rd and 4th gears ride on. Sorry for any 
confusion.

Parts manual part 103056. Can use with or without the gears on it. 

Dave

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Group - I'm trying to locate an upper (input) gear shaft for a 
manual 
> DMC transmission. Willing to take a whole "junk" trans if the price 
> is right, but I really only need the shaft (and that's a lot easier 
> to ship!). This is the one that the input shaft connects to, not 
the 
> larger one on the bottom of the trans.
> 
> Trying to help a friend here get a car moving again. 
> 
> Contact off-list swingle(at)dmcnews.com




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:25:29 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: FW: Delorean Fall Tour Dinner Confirmations

OK everyone!  Final headcount is in for the fall tour dinner.

Debby and Rob Grady will be attending, and would like to know if anyone
needs parts.  If you do, please contact them this week and make
arrangements via Debby.

We are all set for Saturday night.  If you have not yet made hotel or
dinner reservations, get to it quick!

See you all on Saturday!





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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:22:58 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: RE: VIN 20105

James,

I am STILL not clear about a fourth car.....all STORIES have said that it
was decided at the factory in Ireland to use the one spare set of gold
panels on the last car and they claim this was done.......so the question, I
guess, is were there TWO spare sets of gold plated panels then?   I have
never heard that one before.   Also had never heard that a fourth gold
plated D was assembled in the States at some point later?   At one point one
of those was offered for sale and I called the gentleman....he told me he
had thought to use the car for a more or less traveling display and charge
for looking at it, but the insurance was astronomical and he decided against
it.   He didn't say anything about it being the 3rd car or the 4h car.  I
assumed it was the 3rd car as nothing had ever been said about a 4th car at
that point.  I spent a day talking to my wife about it and got her
permissionto buy it, called back and the car was sold!  I wont lose any
sleep over this, but am still the curious type after 82 years!
Murray
Vin:05962
Lic: DMC-XII





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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:40:53 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: RE: The Golden DeLorean

Hi Don,   This is interesting.....sounds like the same guy I talked to and
wondering if the story was the same and if the price he asked for it was the
same....HE asked 75K.  Of course NOW it is up to a quarter mil or more I
guess!  It would be interesting to see a chronological history of the car's
owners and their stories as to reasons they purchased it and sold it and
when!!
Murray
Vin: 05962
Lic:  DMC-XII





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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:34:15 -0700
From: Glenn <green95gst_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Re: New member. Overheating problems

Thanks for the input on this.  I will have to check out where the fan 
relay is.  This car is an earlier car then my first one.  One more 
thing I should mention is that this one came with an after-market 
turbo.  Shortly after we got the car, the engine went out because of 
the turbo.  Don at Delorean Motor Center had a set of JE pistons and I 
said lets put them in.  Lowered the compression a little.  Unless you 
own a race car, don't bother with JE pistons in a street car.  Piston 
slap when cold, and they take forever to warm up.  This engine has been 
a major pain for a long time.  Went through almost 2 quarts of oil 
every 1000 miles.  Finally the fans started failing and the car kept 
overheating.  Don said he would rebuild the head, and when he had the 
engine open, noticed the piston walls were scored.  The pistons were 
never mic'd before installing them.  They expanded too much and were 
scraping on the sides.  Don found a low milage short block and didn't 
charge me for that since he built the last engine.  So I got a fairly 
new engine for the price of having the heads rebuilt.  After the car 
was back on the road again, I noticed the engine temps starting to go 
up again.  So back to Don, and then we noticed the fan switch was not 
coming on when the temps started getting hot.  Off with a new switch 
and all was good.  Three months later, no fans again.  Another switch, 
and fans worked just fine.

Ok, I will have to check for air in the system at the fan switch.  If I 
have the old style water pipe, where can I get an upgraded one?  I will 
also check into the fanzilla.  Thanks for the info.

Glenn


On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 04:24 PM, David Teitelbaum wrote:

> Check that you have the updated version of the pipe that the switch
> fits into, the switch should be on the BOTTOM of the pipe. The earlier
> style had the switch on top and an air bubble would get caught under
> it and then it didn't work right. Put a Fanzilla in so the switch
> isn't carring the full load of the fans. Make sure there are no
> combustion pressure leaks, if combustion gases are leaking into the
> cooling system you will constantly have to bleed the gases out. A
> leaking head gasket or cracked head can be the cause (I am assuming
> this engine was overheated to have needeed head work). You may also
> have to replace the circuit breaker for the cooling fans. It might be
> interesting to measure the current draw on the fans, they may be
> pulling too much which could damage the switch.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
>
>
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Glenn <green95gst_at_dml_e...> wrote:
>> Hi all
>> I just joined the group the other day.  This is my second Delorean 
>> that
>> I have owned since 92.  I've had the heads rebuilt and a low mileage
>> bottom end put in and have had this annoying problem with the cooling
>> fans not coming on when they are supposed to.  Don Steger has replaced
>> the cooling sensor on the engine 3 times in the last year.  It works
>> for a while then only works intermittently.   Does anyone have any
>> ideas what would make it stop working?  Also I have been thinking 
>> about
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:42:20 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Fourth Gold DeLorean

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, James Espey <james_at_dml_u...> wrote:
> The fourth gold DeLorean does exist, and it was done privately many 
years
> ago by a doctor in New York state. In the early eighties, it was 
offered for
> sale in Hemmings Motor News, and I obtained a photo of the car and 
a copy of
> the "Spectrochemical Analysis" that was performed by a company in 
New York
> City.
<SNIP>
> James Espey
> DeLorean Motor Company (Texas)
> http://www.delorean.com

If you watch the "Legends of the Road" episode with DMC Joe, the 
commentator at the end makes a mention of a acqaintence of his in NY 
owned a gold plated DeLorean back in the 1980's. It sounded strange 
when I first heard the comment, as I knew that none of the factory 
authorized cars had never been in NY. But now, after hearing this, it 
all makes sense. Perhaps if you want to track the car down, this 
would be a good starting point.

The list here has also mentioned a 5th gold plated car that was also 
done independantly. Check the archives, and you'll find a story about 
an abandoned one sitting outside of a retail store named, "Unclaimed 
Freight".

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:18:30 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: RE: thoughts from my first car show

I had the same reactions pretty much, from MY first car show a few years
ago.  I have had mine going on 7 years and entered one accidentally the
first year....we drove 30 miles to an annual all cars show, however we
ALWAYS attended this and had no idea of participating......we were early and
parked outside the entrance.  As we drove up, they motioned us to go inside,
we shook our heads and kept walking......several of the head guys followed
us and tried to talk us into bringing the car in.  I told them it was not
even washed, let alone detailed and we had to leave early......but they
insisted and said they would waive the entrance fee.  We finally gave up.
Parked the car in a spot they made for us in the middle of one of the street
intersections all by itself!!  I went over it quickly with my California
duster and that was about IT as to preparations. I had a guilty conscience
and went and paid the fee for display.   I didn't even know what category it
should be in......they told me "Original Unrestored".  There ended up being
82 cars in that class.......This is a farming community and I think half the
farmers had a rusty hulk behind the barn and got it running and brought it n
to the show.  There were about 350 cars in the show.   Main street was
blocked off for it.
	We had our lawn chairs along and set them out on the sidewalk nearby.....we
were just amazed at the attention it got......at first I left the doors down
and when I decided to open them, they just came running...my wife was
counting spectators from time to time and at one time counted 21 looking AT
the car and many more around it...at the same time the beautiful Corvettes
that had mirrors under them and had been beautifully restored were getting 3
or 4 people at a time....it stayed that way the entire show....I had kind of
a guilty conscience as, after all, the only thing I had done was to buy the
car and they had worked forever on theirs!     We were shocked when we were
given the first place trophy.   I guess it is needless to say that ours was
the only DeLorean there.
	We have entered several shows of the same type and about the same number of
cars and always won a trophy...not always first though!!
	We have NEVER objected to fingerprints or people asking to sit in the car
to have their picture taken.   I have even taken some myself and mailed
copies toi them.  I had a man in a late Honda NSX  next to us one year, ask
me if I cared if he wiped off the fingerprints as he saw them!!!  I told him
I just would wait until I got home, but he was tickled pink to do this....We
sure enjoyed participating and meeting other car fans.
	BTW, we purchased the car from the original owner with 3K miles on it and
now have 8K so it still presents a good "image" to people.
Murray
Vin: 05962
Lic:  DMC-XII






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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:33:20 +1000
From: Lance Haslewood <lanceh_at_dml_zeta.org.au>
Subject: GAS STRUTS - DOOR

Why is it that the pressure in the gas door struts never seems to 
last.  I'm on my third set of struts in five years.  Is anyone able to 
provide me with the correct pressure for the door struts as I'm looking at 
obtaining a set of struts here in Aus.

Thank you,

Lance Haslewood
Australia. 

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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:12:13 -0000
From: "dmcyoseppi" <dmcyoseppi_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: mode switch diaphram disassembly & reassembly instructions??

Does anyone have a good set of instructions on how to remove the AC 
mode switch diaphram, lubricate it and then renistall it? I have 
been having the hissing noise when the switch is in the off 
position, so I just keep it on fan, but would like to fix it right. 
Anyone know of a good set of instructions on this area?


Thanks 

Joe OBrien

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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:13:31 -0400
From: "Tom" <tomcio_at_dml_gtemail.net>
Subject: Re: Hoods with Accent Lines Question.

Hi all!

If someone is interested I have a hood on my car that has the two lines and
NO gas flap. I would be willing to trade it for a flat hood. I have to say
that my hood is not perfect, but it can be made perfect. If someone is
interested, please email me directly.

Tom Niemczewski
vin 6149
tomcio_at_dml_gtemail.net


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Louie Golden" <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Hoods with Accent Lines Question.


> If you're talking about how hard it is to find the grooved hood
seperately, then I'd say fairly hard. I've seen the gas flap and flat hoods
on ebay fairly often. It's kind of odd... because the majority of DeLoreans
built came with the grooved hoods minus gas flap. You probably know, but the
flat hoods are the only ones that can still be bought NOS.
>
> Louie Golden




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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:39:51 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: GAS STRUTS - DOOR

Hi Lance

Gas struts work well when in their restig condition (ie whatever they're 
used to lift is closed) they hang with the rod downwards. The DeLorean's 
ones lie sideways

Martin

Lance Haslewood wrote:

>Why is it that the pressure in the gas door struts never seems to 
>last.  I'm on my third set of struts in five years.  Is anyone able to 
>provide me with the correct pressure for the door struts as I'm looking at 
>obtaining a set of struts here in Aus.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Lance Haslewood
>Australia. 
>  
>






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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:38:59 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: GAS STRUTS - DOOR

In a message dated 10/15/03 10:41:20 AM Central Daylight Time, 
lanceh_at_dml_zeta.org.au writes:

> Why is it that the pressure in the gas door struts never seems to 
> last.  I'm on my third set of struts in five years.  Is anyone able to 
> provide me with the correct pressure for the door struts as I'm looking at 
> obtaining a set of struts here in Aus.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Lance Haslewood
> Australia. 
> 

Do you use struts from the vendors (PJ Grady, DMCH), or do you try to source 
your own?

if you aren't using the vendors' struts, you should seriously consider it 
this time.  if you are sourcing your own, they are probably inferior.

Andy


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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:17:59 -0700
From: Don Ekhoff <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: The Golden DeLorean

Murray,
I'm sure it was the same car.  I was mistaken as it was the passanger 
door (not driver) that had the inferior plating job. He would have 
parted with the car for ~$60k.  I tried to determine what it would take 
to get the door redone but the risk turned me off. I have seen many cars 
with their trim gold plated (older Caddy's) and they tend to not stand 
up very well.  The trim you see around that looks gold plated is really 
TiN plated and MUCH  more durable and attractive. I could just see 
myself making myself sick trying to keep the gold up and risking going 
thru it and having a little stainless start to show thru. I am very 
happy with the solid stainless, thank you very much.

Don


Murray Fisher wrote:

>Hi Don,   This is interesting.....sounds like the same guy I talked to and
>wondering if the story was the same and if the price he asked for it was the
>same....HE asked 75K.  Of course NOW it is up to a quarter mil or more I
>guess!  It would be interesting to see a chronological history of the car's
>owners and their stories as to reasons they purchased it and sold it and
>when!!
>Murray
>Vin: 05962
>Lic:  DMC-XII
>
>
>
>
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>moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
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>
>  
>






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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:51:45 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: New member. Overheating problems

David Teitelbaum wrote:

>Check that you have the updated version of the pipe that the switch
>fits into, the switch should be on the BOTTOM of the pipe. The earlier
>style had the switch on top and an air bubble would get caught under
>it and then it didn't work right. Put a Fanzilla in so the switch
>isn't carring the full load of the fans. 
>
What?! The otterstat switches a RELAY to turn the fans on, Zilla or no 
Zilla.

AFAIK there's only one type of pipe, and to get the otterstat to point 
down, all you have to do is turn it around. Not including sub 1234 cars 
here, but I've yet to see a low vin# with the original piping at the engine.

Martin






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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:59:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: GAS STRUTS - DOOR

Although at the same time, I've only ever used vendor struts and I'm on my
third set in as many years.

I've heard that they have a certain life - whether they're used or not. So
if you buy a strut that's been on a shelf for a year, it's only got about
a year left. Generally, from what I know, a new strut should last about 2
years.

I'd really like to see adjustable struts (like the PJ Grady shocks) for
the doors. But oh well, at 40 bucks a piece every couple years we get to
have the coolest doors in the neighbourhood. :)

-Christian


On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 Soma576_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/15/03 10:41:20 AM Central Daylight Time,
> lanceh_at_dml_zeta.org.au writes:
>
> > Why is it that the pressure in the gas door struts never seems to
> > last.  I'm on my third set of struts in five years.  Is anyone able to
> > provide me with the correct pressure for the door struts as I'm looking at
> > obtaining a set of struts here in Aus.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Lance Haslewood
> > Australia.
> >
>
> Do you use struts from the vendors (PJ Grady, DMCH), or do you try to source
> your own?
>
> if you aren't using the vendors' struts, you should seriously consider it
> this time.  if you are sourcing your own, they are probably inferior.
>
> Andy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>
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>
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:29:29 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: GAS STRUTS - DOOR

Rob Grady recently dropped price to $80 pair. Are custom manufactured
to his specs. I recommend highly.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> 
> Do you use struts from the vendors (PJ Grady, DMCH), or do you try
to source 
> your own?
> 
> if you aren't using the vendors' struts, you should seriously
consider it 
> this time.  if you are sourcing your own, they are probably inferior.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> >In a message dated 10/15/03 10:41:20 AM Central Daylight Time, 
> >lanceh_at_dml_z... writes:
> >
> > Why is it that the pressure in the gas door struts never seems to 
> > last.  I'm on my third set of struts in five years.  Is anyone
able to 
> > provide me with the correct pressure for the door struts as I'm
looking at 
> > obtaining a set of struts here in Aus.
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > 
> > Lance Haslewood
> > Australia. 
> > 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:10:30 -0000
From: "jchapelhow" <chapelhow_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Diode and Dahboard Earth Locations

All.

I would like to thank all of the sended for the e-mails I have 
received following my electrical woes.

I have created a new folder in the files area. 

The 'Electrical' folder currently contains the following:

1. The location of the front diodes (exclude the one below/behind the 
dahs binnacle)

2. The location of the dashboard/central console instruments/lights 
ground.


With special thanks to Bob Zilla who described where to look for the 
dash ground point. On my car the dash instruments, dash lights, 
central console switches/lights are grounded by one collection of 
wires. This is ***NOT*** at the front left wheel, rather it is behind 
the central consol panel, just to the right of the hazard switch. The 
files I have uploaded show access via removing the radio (so many 
wires!) and careful removal of the hazard light switch. Even then you 
need smallish, nimble hands! Be careful, the bolt that holds the 
wires together really needs the enitire console removing to tighten 
it!!


Anyone wanting to upload images of the other ground points would be 
very welcome. Whilst many of us have the electrical schematic where 
all the wires/earths go is something of a mystery.



John Chapelhow
MMG 287W : 'Boeing' #0737




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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:56:24 -0000
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The Golden DeLorean

Do you guys remember hearing the story in Cleveland about how the 
gold delorean was driven from Maryland (not sure if this is the 
correct state, but somewhere around there) to Wisconsin and they 
even drove through a snow storm?  Obvously they made it there 
safely, but can you imagine!?  

Erik



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Don Ekhoff <ekhoff_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> Murray,
> I'm sure it was the same car.  I was mistaken as it was the 
passanger 
> door (not driver) that had the inferior plating job. He would have 
> parted with the car for ~$60k.  I tried to determine what it would 
take 
> to get the door redone but the risk turned me off. I have seen 
many cars 
> with their trim gold plated (older Caddy's) and they tend to not 
stand 
> up very well.  The trim you see around that looks gold plated is 
really 
> TiN plated and MUCH  more durable and attractive. I could just see 
> myself making myself sick trying to keep the gold up and risking 
going 
> thru it and having a little stainless start to show thru. I am 
very 
> happy with the solid stainless, thank you very much.
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> Murray Fisher wrote:
> 
> >Hi Don,   This is interesting.....sounds like the same guy I 
talked to and
> >wondering if the story was the same and if the price he asked for 
it was the
> >same....HE asked 75K.  Of course NOW it is up to a quarter mil or 
more I
> >guess!  It would be interesting to see a chronological history of 
the car's
> >owners and their stories as to reasons they purchased it and sold 
it and
> >when!!
> >Murray
> >Vin: 05962
> >Lic:  DMC-XII
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please 
address:
> >moderators_at_dml_d...
> >
> >For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see 
www.dmcnews.com
> >
> >To search the archives or view files, log in at 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews 
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> >
> >  
> >




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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:19:27 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Diode and Dahboard Earth Locations

In future recommend removing console itself. Is really quite easy.
Remove shifter plate and rear tray (two screws apiece), A/C panel (1
screw) and 6 nuts holding console. May also have two screws attaching
to knee pads (question utility of those since console is only made of
cardboard). Pop out window & defroster switches to disconnect
electrical connections (do yourself a favor and label for ease of
re-install). Same with cigarette lighter. Think you'll be pleasantly
surprised at total access now available. Dash ground point is a
breeze. Illumination bulbs can be changed from the back. Etc.

BTW: dash ground is a bolt, not a stud. Without removing console you
can't get to head. Your nut may not be completely tight. 

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "jchapelhow" <chapelhow_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> All.
> 
> I would like to thank all of the sended for the e-mails I have 
> received following my electrical woes.
> 
> I have created a new folder in the files area. 
> 
> The 'Electrical' folder currently contains the following:
> 
> 1. The location of the front diodes (exclude the one below/behind the 
> dahs binnacle)
> 
> 2. The location of the dashboard/central console instruments/lights 
> ground.
> 
> 
> With special thanks to Bob Zilla who described where to look for the 
> dash ground point. On my car the dash instruments, dash lights, 
> central console switches/lights are grounded by one collection of 
> wires. This is ***NOT*** at the front left wheel, rather it is behind 
> the central consol panel, just to the right of the hazard switch. The 
> files I have uploaded show access via removing the radio (so many 
> wires!) and careful removal of the hazard light switch. Even then you 
> need smallish, nimble hands! Be careful, the bolt that holds the 
> wires together really needs the enitire console removing to tighten 
> it!!
> 
> 
> Anyone wanting to upload images of the other ground points would be 
> very welcome. Whilst many of us have the electrical schematic where 
> all the wires/earths go is something of a mystery.
> 
> 
> 
> John Chapelhow
> MMG 287W : 'Boeing' #0737




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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:32:05 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Re: New member. Overheating problems

Don't overlook circuit breaker after that relay. Could well be source
of problem. Common replacement at parts houses but may have two
mounting ears to cut off. Will also have screw terminals rather than
spades.

This is why owners need to study electrical system in driveway before
problem on the road. With a jumper can bypass both fan fail and
otterstat relays. Assuming 12v in, problem now isolated to circuit
breaker or fans themselves.

Seem to remember fans grounded to crumple extension -- another likely
trouble spot.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_d...> wrote:
>
> What?! The otterstat switches a RELAY to turn the fans on, Zilla or no 
> Zilla.
> 
> AFAIK there's only one type of pipe, and to get the otterstat to point 
> down, all you have to do is turn it around. Not including sub 1234 cars 
> here, but I've yet to see a low vin# with the original piping at the
engine.
> 
> Martin




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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:45:26 -0500
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Auto tranny weight?

Does anyone know about how much the stock auto tranny weighs?  I'm trying to
find out so I can calculate shipping.

Thanks in advance!

Duke




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