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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1713
Date: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:48 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: VIN 20105
From: "Tom Porter" <treehouse2000us_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. RE: VIN 20105 (and the other gold cars)
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>

3. Re: Door struts and doors
From: Sonny V <sonnyvr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>

4. Re: mode switch diaphram disassembly & reassembly instructions??
From: Henry Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

5. Door Gas Struts life Span
From: Tom Watkins <dmctom_at_dml_earthlink.net>

6. Re: Auto tranny weight?
From: william taylor <williamctaylor2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. Re: Auto tranny weight?
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

8. Re: Fixing brake switch in a pinch
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

9. Re: New member. Overheating problems
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

10. Re: Seeing what's out there
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

11. GAS DOOR STRUTS
From: Lance Haslewood <lanceh_at_dml_zeta.org.au>

12. last AIRBOX and twin turbo scoops for sale!
From: "C. C. Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>

13. Heating/Cooling Fan
From: Sean Mulligan <sean_mulligan_at_dml_yahoo.com>

14. Top 10 ways to tell whether or not you are a DeLorean nerd
From: "Dan" <dan.foss_at_dml_earthlink.net>

15. DeLorean Values, etc.
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

16. DMC Vandalized close to home
From: "dmc_delorean_2000" <dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>

17. Re: Delorean Hovercraft on MG (final thoughts)
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

18. Re: Top 10 ways to tell whether or not you are a DeLorean nerd
From: "Mark" <mark_at_dml_meninblack.ca>

19. Re: VIN 20105 (and the other gold cars)
From: "Andrei Cular" <acular_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

20. RE: VIN 20105
From: "Nelson, Allan" <abnelson_at_dml_waterousco.com>

21. Re: Re: Door struts and doors
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

22. AW: Door Gas Struts life Span
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>

23. RE: Door Gas Struts life Span
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

24. Re: The Golden DeLorean
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

25. RE: Heating/Cooling Fan
From: "Chuck Kay" <chuckkay_at_dml_comcast.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:55:24 -0000
From: "Tom Porter" <treehouse2000us_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: VIN 20105

Although I have never seen a Gold DeLorean in person, I do know that 
there were two gold cars made for the American Express Catalog, 
originaly the plan was for 100 of these to be made.  The last vin was 
a gold car using the spare parts from the American Express Cars, sold 
to a guy in Maryland, the only automatic gold car.  Dont quote me, 
but i thought he sold it a while back, like a year ago with less than 
700 miles on the odo, i saw that on the internet somewhere, i even 
think its on the list archive, at a time when few were interested in 
knowing about the gold cars.  In 1984 or 1985 a Doctor had a regular 
stainless steel car gold plated, so this would be the 4th car, but 
not official DMC gold.  I also believe there is a phony painted gold 
DeLorean floating around somewhere too, a mockup of what the doctor 
did in the mid 1980's.  If you dig on the internet, you will find all 
4 of these gold cars.

Also, of the two American express cars, One is gold interior (one in 
Reno), one is black (Bank in Texas) and the Last vin using the spare 
parts is gold interior.  The Phony aftermarket gold plated car (#4) 
is believed to be black interior, as far as I know.

I do not know the location of the last vin Gold car, but i do believe 
it was sold in 2002 and moved out of state.

Tom Porter

Ps.  If you are selling a black interior car in Maine, New Hampshire 
or Vermont, please email me, I am currently looking... Thanks


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> James,
> 
> I am STILL not clear about a fourth car.....all STORIES have said 
that it
> was decided at the factory in Ireland to use the one spare set of 
gold
> panels on the last car and they claim this was done.......so the 
question, I
> guess, is were there TWO spare sets of gold plated panels then?   I 
have
> never heard that one before.   Also had never heard that a fourth 
gold
> plated D was assembled in the States at some point later?   At one 
point one
> of those was offered for sale and I called the gentleman....he told 
me he
> had thought to use the car for a more or less traveling display and 
charge
> for looking at it, but the insurance was astronomical and he 
decided against
> it.   He didn't say anything about it being the 3rd car or the 4h 
car.  I
> assumed it was the 3rd car as nothing had ever been said about a 
4th car at
> that point.  I spent a day talking to my wife about it and got her
> permissionto buy it, called back and the car was sold!  I wont lose 
any
> sleep over this, but am still the curious type after 82 years!
> Murray
> Vin:05962
> Lic: DMC-XII




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:48:13 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: RE: VIN 20105 (and the other gold cars)

Thanks James,
	Well, Yes and NO!!   That pin points it down better.   I would just wonder
about the 4th person and having the panels gold plated.  I know quite a bit
about gold plating and know it would NOT be like jewelry gold plating.....it
requires a huge tank to hold the  hood, rear quarter etc.   Then of course
the cost of the gold to do it all would seem it would not be practical at
all.   I am a "doubting Thomas" I guess.  Lets see, Ken is in contact with
one of the gold D owners for the Pidgeon Forge Show next June so we may find
out something from that angle.  See you there!!   We have our reservations!
Thanks for your help and interest.  I will be on my Segway!! Thanks for the
info and your interest.

Murray
Vin: 05962
Lic:  DMC-XII

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Espey [mailto:james_at_dml_usadmc.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 16:17 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] VIN 20105 (and the other gold cars)
>
>
> VIN 4300 - 1st AMEX gold car - in Reno, NV
> VIN 4301 - 2nd AMEX gold car - in Snyder, TX
> VIN 20105 - "last" car built, using the *only* spare set of panels - in MD
>
> VIN XXXX (deleted) - Car with panels plated privately by owner -
> last known
> to be in NY
>
> Does that clear it up? Or muddle it worse?
>
> James
>
> > I am STILL not clear about a fourth car.....all STORIES have
> said that it
> > was decided at the factory in Ireland to use the one spare set of gold
> > panels on the last car and they claim this was done.......so
> the question, I
> > guess, is were there TWO spare sets of gold plated panels then?   I have
> > never heard that one before.   Also had never heard that a fourth gold
> > plated D was assembled in the States at some point later?   At
> one point one
> > of those was offered for sale and I called the gentleman....he
> told me he
> > had thought to use the car for a more or less traveling display
> and charge
> > for looking at it, but the insurance was astronomical and he
> decided against
> > it.   He didn't say anything about it being the 3rd car or the
> 4h car.  I
> > assumed it was the 3rd car as nothing had ever been said about
> a 4th car at
> > that point.  I spent a day talking to my wife about it and got her
> > permissionto buy it, called back and the car was sold!  I wont lose any
> > sleep over this, but am still the curious type after 82 years!
> > Murray
> > Vin:05962
> > Lic: DMC-XII
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:56:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sonny V <sonnyvr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Door struts and doors

PJ Grady recently dropped his price (as did just about
all the other vendors) as a result of DMCH lowering
their price. I don't think Grady's are the same as
DMCH's, though James Espey told me that DMCH's are
newly designed to the original factory specification.
Something about the dampening oil being bad after all.

I was looking at DeLorean One's site last night and
saw that they sell doors at $2759.66 EACH. The other
vendors sell them for $1000 each...maybe D1's are some
leftover "gold-plated" doors? :-)

Sonny V.


Bill wrote:
> Rob Grady recently dropped price to $80 pair.
> Are custom manufactured
> to his specs. I recommend highly.



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:16:55 -0700
From: Henry Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: mode switch diaphram disassembly & reassembly instructions??

DeLorean World -- Volume 4, No. 2, pg. 33-34, TECH NOTES, Rebuilding the Mode Switch, By
Donald Steger, Photos: Kjell Myhre

see http://www.delorean-owners.org/dw/85-86.html

Back issues are available, either singly (full price), or in groups of 8, 16, or all (at
a modest discount)

Hank Breer
VIN 1141


dmcyoseppi wrote:

> Does anyone have a good set of instructions on how to remove the AC
> mode switch diaphram, lubricate it and then renistall it? I have
> been having the hissing noise when the switch is in the off
> position, so I just keep it on fan, but would like to fix it right.
> Anyone know of a good set of instructions on this area?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe OBrien
>
> 002524
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:51:44 -0400
From: Tom Watkins <dmctom_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Door Gas Struts life Span

All,

I suggest that if you store your car, as I do,  you buy an extra set of 
gas stuts and only use them for the months when you drive.  If you leave 
them on 12 months (and in the cold)  they are compressed while in 
non-use and it is felt by most that it could help to shorten their 
lifespan.   In the spring I re-install the "good" set and use them for 
the summer driving season.  Once late fall hits and the car goes into 
the barn for the winter, the older set go on and the new set comes into 
the house to hang in a warm closet.  The "old" set are not totally blown 
but just not as vibrant as the new ones.  They are good enough to help 
the door go up when I need to go in the car .  Since it's usually 
*really* cold here in Maine the doors sag terribly anyway so I'd rather 
save my good set of struts.     With the recent reduction is strut 
prices it is more affordable to get another set as a back up

Also, Does anyone have a step by step for replacing a toll booth window? 
  I just bought a new glass with the plastic carrier on it and would 
like to install it.

Thanks

Tom
#05732




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:40:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: william taylor <williamctaylor2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Auto tranny weight?

An automatic transmission full of oil weighs about 170#s with a tourqe converter.
 
William 


at88mph <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Does anyone know about how much the stock auto tranny weighs? I'm trying to
find out so I can calculate shipping.

Thanks in advance!

Duke



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:27:27 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Auto tranny weight?

I would guess it weighs close to 100 lbs.

BOB




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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:19:58 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Fixing brake switch in a pinch

The brakelight switch is quite simple and can be pulled apart and fixed 
quite easily. They tend to get stuck because the current for all 4 brake 
lights goes through the switch. A bit of cleaning and it'll work fine 
again. That said, a replacement switch is hardly expensive.

Martin

Christian Williams wrote:

>I discovered last night that my brake lights weren't working. I'd had this
>happen before due to an inline fuse in the footwell blowing (I don't know
>why it was there, maybe the car previously had cruise control or
>something). I checked the fuse and the one in the electrical compartment
>and they were both fine. The switch itself was dead.
>
>So luckily I have DMC Joe's courtesey light circut cutoff switch. The
>wires are long enough that I could run it down to the brake switch wiring
>and control it with my right thumb while braking and downshifting. Luckily
>I'll have a replacement switch tomorrow.
>
>-Christian
>
>  
>






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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:27:57 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: New member. Overheating problems

It is rather unusual for the otterstadt switch to fail so quickly and
in such rapid succession. I suggested the Fanzilla because I am
guessing that the fan relay is no longer there (jumpered out) so the
otterstadt switch is carrying the full load (that could be the cause
of the failures). I also don't know what fan fail relay or jumper is
in there so by recomending the Fanzilla it solves those problems. To
use the old style pipe you have to cut it shorter, rotate the pipe, 
and replace the hose to the water pump. It is rare to see the older
version but never say never! I see many Deloreans that have not had
any of the recalls and still have the Ducey alternator. Remember I am
trying to help by remote control and the person asking for help
doesn't always clearly and fully explain the situation. I like the
Fanzilla because not only does it elagantly solve the origional wiring
design problems but it is also easy for almost anyone to install
themselves. BTW when installing the Fanzilla I recommend replacing the
otterstadt switch AND SEAL and circuit breaker.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> David Teitelbaum wrote:
> 
> >Check that you have the updated version of the pipe that the switch
> >fits into, the switch should be on the BOTTOM of the pipe. The earlier
> >style had the switch on top and an air bubble would get caught under
> >it and then it didn't work right. Put a Fanzilla in so the switch
> >isn't carring the full load of the fans. 
> >
> What?! The otterstat switches a RELAY to turn the fans on, Zilla or no 
> Zilla.
> 





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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:09:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Seeing what's out there

If you're smart and patient you can find a nice "driver" DeLorean for that price range. The key is educating yourself about the cars so you know what to look for, and being able to hold off on buying the first one you see. I remember I wanted so badly to buy the first DeLorean I looked at. It was a gorgeous 1 owner car with 6k miles... cosmetically flawless. I could have walked away with it for less than $12k. Luckily I had made some friends in the DeLorean community, and drug them along to check out the car. The truth was though the car was beautiful to the eye, it was deteriorated badly from sitting for many years. That's the irony of these cars... they still look so new and modern... but they're over two decades old now. 

What I advise you (and all perspective owners) to do is read the DML for at least a year before you purchase. During this time go to as many DeLorean meets as possible... big or small. Meet as many DML members as you can in your area, and look at as many potential car buys as possible. By familiarizing yourself with the car you begin to learn what to look for in them, and what is a good and bad deal. You learn your preferences in the cars as well. 

I'm in the market right now for my second DeLorean. If you've read the list for a while, I was hit by a drunk driver in my DeLo about a month ago, and it was a total loss. I'm looking at buying a car in your price range... $15k-$20k. There's a total variety of cars in this range... garage queens that have been sitting for years with major mechanical issues, daily drivers with some cosmetic wear, but are good mechanically good, and finally there are cars that are a good comprimise of cosmetic looks and good running condition. Those are the hardest to find, but if you're persistent, you'll track one down. Good luck in your road to ownership, and remember that us list members are here to help you in any way possible.

Louie Golden
VIN- Coming Again... if insurance ever pays me... lol


--- "cyboexpo2002" <paul.mari_at_dml_huskymail.uconn.edu> wrote:
I've begun browsing what's in my local (as in NY, CT, MA) area.  I'm
pretty sure I'll be a couple years before I'm actively looking, but I
figure that way I learn about the market a bit more...
Anyway, I see a lot of Ds on for around the $15-20k range.  I'm trying
to get an idea of what kind of condition that would get me...though
from the pictures I immediately notice things like ripped seats and
demaged headliners (but this is I guess normal for a car this age).

Basically, I was about wondering any input you guys might have about
buying.  (There's always that chance that I might be able to free up
some cash)

On a side note, I hear that I'm lucky since PJ Grady is pretty close
by here (relatively).  Well, I found out some interesting info the
other day.  Apparently, they were planning a bridge across Long Island
Sound that would lead me almost directly in the direction of PJ
Grady's in the 70s and 80s.
http://www.geocities.com/cyboexpo2002/too_bad.txt
Build that bridge!  Seriously though, any tips, etc would be greatly
appreciated.  $20k is a sizable chunk of change, and I want to know,
in general, how much of a car this'll get me.  Thanks!

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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:37:54 +1000
From: Lance Haslewood <lanceh_at_dml_zeta.org.au>
Subject: GAS DOOR STRUTS

I have purchased my struts from both PJ Grady and DMCH and have not used 
non-genuine struts to date.  It appears that I'm going to be forced to buy 
non-genuine as I'm getting absolutely no satisfaction form genuine struts.

Lance
Australia (not Austria!!)


Message: 16
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:38:59 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: GAS STRUTS - DOOR

In a message dated 10/15/03 10:41:20 AM Central Daylight Time,
lanceh_at_dml_zeta.org.au writes:

 > Why is it that the pressure in the gas door struts never seems to
 > last.  I'm on my third set of struts in five years.  Is anyone able to
 > provide me with the correct pressure for the door struts as I'm looking at
 > obtaining a set of struts here in Aus.
 >
 > Thank you,
 >
 > Lance Haslewood
 > Australia.
 >

Do you use struts from the vendors (PJ Grady, DMCH), or do you try to source
your own?

if you aren't using the vendors' struts, you should seriously consider it
this time.  if you are sourcing your own, they are probably inferior.

Andy




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:33:51 -0400
From: "C. C. Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: last AIRBOX and twin turbo scoops for sale!

I have decided to sell my only airbox left and also my only twin turbo air scoops. The airbox has some machine turned finish on it, but it can easily be sanded off if you don't like it. it is ready to bolt on instantly. $350 The twin turbo scoops simply double sided tape to the window and are vacum formed from lexan and have been painted black. $125

These are the only ones I have and I will never make more of them. Pictures of them are on my site. they are currently installed on the "delorean for sale" so go look at that car to see what you think.

Sincerely, Casey Putsch http://putschdesign.tripod.com putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu 


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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:46:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sean Mulligan <sean_mulligan_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Heating/Cooling Fan

Does anyone know the part number of the
heating/cooling fan blower motor fan under the
passanger side dash?  Is there a part I can
crossreference that would work?  If so, where can I
purchase it?  Thanks.

-Sean Mulligan
vin #10054
FLUXING


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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:36:13 -0000
From: "Dan" <dan.foss_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Top 10 ways to tell whether or not you are a DeLorean nerd

Top 10 ways to tell whether or not you are a DeLorean nerd

10. You are planning on wearing a chemical/nuclear hazard suit on 
Halloween

9.  You have been killing yourself trying to figure out how to add 
the cool BTTF door opening sound effect to you new door launchers

8.  You have DeLorean screen saver, desktop wallpaper, and PDA/PPC 
themes.

7.  You are planning on attending the next DeLorean 
convention...errr, Car Show.

6.  You know the name of every celebrity who ever owned a DeLorean

5.  You have pictures or plans to get your picture taken with John 
DeLorean or a family member

4.  You own every issue of any DeLorean related magazine ever 
produced, keeping them in plastic slipcovers.

3. You have nick-named your food processor "Mr. Fusion," and have 
checked to see how it looked sitting on the back of your D.

2.  You come back from being gone 3 days and have 300 emails, all 
DeLorean related, and feel the need to read and respond to each one.

1.  You have been going over and over in your head how much damage 
would be caused if D-Rex ran over Jesse James motorcycle (preferable 
with Jesse James on it).


Face it, you could substitute Star Trek and Enterprise where 
necessary in this top ten list and this would be a pretty good 
Trekkie list. 

I am a DeLorean Nerd and proud of it (is there a 12 step program?). 
After all, it isn't the meek that inherit the earth, it is the nerds. 
Or at least they seem to own it.

Dan in Cocoa, FL (3932)





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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:46:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: DeLorean Values, etc.

OK... I've been wanting to start a thread on this for a while... I guess I'm feeling controversial. So I figured what better time than following the Monster Garage debate? So here we go. How does everyone feel about the current values of the DeLoreans... and what do they want to see happen to them in the future?

I bring this up because of a comment Ken Koncelik recently made replying to a post about me looking for a nice driver for under $20k. He responded by saying that I really can't find a nice driver for under $20k anymore. I was somewhat taken aback by this because this is simply another tactic people are employing to raise the DeLorean's values. A lot of people really want to see the car's values go up, so they put asking prices of their cars up high, and then drop little subtleties like this (I hope you don't take offense Ken... I'm just singling you out like I often do to Rich W).

Though I'm somewhat of a purist, I like the DeLorean's values just where they are right now. They're accessible to almost anyone who wants one bad enough. Anyone who's been in the hobby the past several years has noticed that DeLorean owners seem to get younger and younger. I think that's a great thing... those who are truly passionate about the cars can in fact own one! I'm sure most owners would like to see a decent return on their investments eventually. But I guess I'm in the minority in the fact that I'm really not thinking about that... and couldn't care less. I bought a DeLorean because I loved the car, and wouldn't have sold mine for any amount of money offered to me. So what's everyone elses opinions on the matter?

Louie Golden

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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:52:39 -0000
From: "dmc_delorean_2000" <dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DMC Vandalized close to home

on my way to work today saw a DeLorean with 4 flat tires on a flatbed 
infront of my mechanic's shop. Its funny I live in a small town and I 
always see this other DeLorean, but never got a chance to meet the 
owner. The machanic I use has never worked on a DMC before except to 
inspect mine, and I only moved to town 3 years ago. he knows nothing 
about the car (which is why I let him only inspect it) and was 
shocked when he found out he had to order 2 diff size tires. anyway, 
I work for the Police Department and found out that the kid who 
slashed the tires is a big fan of Monster Garage and Jessie James is 
his freakin Idol, so to say the least he slashed the tires "TO BE 
LIKE JESSIE". its a shame, its bad enough they publicly humiliated 
and compleatly DEMOLISHED 1.5 DeLoreans on National Tv, but its the 
negitive image and example that really pisses me off. Im all for 
modifing, my motto is i want the car of my dreams to be everything 
i've dreamed of, but just destoying upsets me. I felt the same way 
when I saw the time machine get hit by a train in BTTF3 and even 
worse when i found out it wasnt the replica, but a real DMC packed 
with c4. I blame the episode on JJ he had a terible attitude from the 
begining and if he was into it from the start they wouldnt have 
needed the second underbody and Im sure they could have pulled it off 
with a good plan from the start (and maybe a real hovercraft expert). 
Thank God that kid didnt have access to a tank!

Tony
Vin# 2467 (under modifications)




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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:59:25 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean Hovercraft on MG (final thoughts)

As you may have expected, the final cut of the Delorean Hovercraft
Monster Garage episode was not what Delorean enthusiasts expected.

Attached is a link to my Discovery Channel online interview which 
was done AFTER the build and BEFORE the episode was aired. 

The interview explains what was going on behind the scenes and 
may help some Delorean enthusiasts, at least for piece of mind. 
                      
http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/monstergarage/pass/weissensel.html 

As for the Delorean related details:

- all the panels on the donor car were dented and/or repaired panels
  had been swapped with several other donor cars, except the doors
  (Don and Dan, thanks for taking the time to do that the day before)

- no VINs were "lost" as a result of this build and the chopped up
  underbody, chassis, drive-train, etc. were returned to Don afterward
  so in effect, no complete Deloreans were destroyed due to the build

- the donor car windshield was already cracked before the build and
  DMCH has plenty of other glass pieces, especially for rear quarters
  and as most of you already know, DMCH has lots and lots of doors

Of all the things that happened in this build, I did not expect to
get ambushed the way we were on the 1st day at the design meeting. 

There was a lot of great Delorean footage that was filmed for the 
episode, as well as accurate fact tidbits (Monster Garage Factiods), 
all of which were NOT USED in this episode. I was surprised that 
they used more good Delorean footage in the Backyard Monsters 
episode, and that was only background footage. It's amazing the 
differences from what one producer puts together to another one. 

I know a lot of people on this list are passionate about Deloreans,
so seeing anything Delorean related being destroyed is difficult, 
but please keep it all in perspective.  A show like this comes along
very infrequently and will have almost no impact on Delorean supply 
when compared to Deloreans that are destroyed in accidents or good,
complete Deloreans that are parted out only for financial gain.

As for DML posts about MG referencing extreme customized Deloreans,
I think most people dream about their ideal Delorean being more than
a stock Delorean.  The Delorean is all about Living the Dream, so
making the dream a reality is the next step.  Keep the dream alive.

Later,
Rich W.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_o...> wrote:
 
> Additional repeats of the Delorean Hovercraft episode will be aired
> on Saturday, Oct. 18 at 8pm Central time, repeated at 11pm.
> 
> Also, if you miss those times and dates, there is a Monster Garage
> marathon being planned, including the repeat of this wild episode.
> The Delorean Hovercraft episode will be aired near the middle of the
> marathon the day after Thanksgiving, on Nov. 28 at 4pm Central time.
> 





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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:37:33 -0400
From: "Mark" <mark_at_dml_meninblack.ca>
Subject: Re: Top 10 ways to tell whether or not you are a DeLorean nerd

Hey all.

Dan's post reminded me of something...

How many celebrities are out there who have owned a DeLorean at one time or
another?

The only one I'm aware of is KISS guitarist Ace Frehley, who evidently got
ripped one night and wrapped it around a telephone pole (ah the excess of
the early 1980s...)

Also...

I've been looking for a still of this for awhile, but haven't had any luck.

If you'll remember, a montage scene in Rocky III, where Rocky was endorsing
products, there was one shot of him sitting in a DeLorean...  Might someone
have this pic they could send me?
(mark_at_dml_meninblack.ca) ?

Thanks.

Mark...

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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:38:52 -0400
From: "Andrei Cular" <acular_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: VIN 20105 (and the other gold cars)

You don't need to dip the parts to get the plating on them.  I have a friend
who has a non-immersion gold plating system.  I don't remember the name of
the equipment but it is from a German manufacture.  He uses it mostly for
replating emblems while still on the car and he also does wheels for people.





Andrei



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:48 AM
Subject: RE: [DML] VIN 20105 (and the other gold cars)


> Thanks James,
> Well, Yes and NO!!   That pin points it down better.   I would just wonder
> about the 4th person and having the panels gold plated.  I know quite a
bit
> about gold plating and know it would NOT be like jewelry gold
plating.....it
> requires a huge tank to hold the  hood, rear quarter etc.   Then of course
> the cost of the gold to do it all would seem it would not be practical at
> all.   I am a "doubting Thomas" I guess.  Lets see, Ken is in contact with
> one of the gold D owners for the Pidgeon Forge Show next June so we may
find
> out something from that angle.  See you there!!   We have our
reservations!
> Thanks for your help and interest.  I will be on my Segway!! Thanks for
the
> info and your interest.
>
> Murray
> Vin: 05962
> Lic:  DMC-XII
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Espey [mailto:james_at_dml_usadmc.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 16:17 PM
> > To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [DML] VIN 20105 (and the other gold cars)
> >
> >
> > VIN 4300 - 1st AMEX gold car - in Reno, NV
> > VIN 4301 - 2nd AMEX gold car - in Snyder, TX
> > VIN 20105 - "last" car built, using the *only* spare set of panels - in
MD
> >
> > VIN XXXX (deleted) - Car with panels plated privately by owner -
> > last known
> > to be in NY
> >
> > Does that clear it up? Or muddle it worse?
> >
> > James
> >
> > > I am STILL not clear about a fourth car.....all STORIES have
> > said that it
> > > was decided at the factory in Ireland to use the one spare set of gold
> > > panels on the last car and they claim this was done.......so
> > the question, I
> > > guess, is were there TWO spare sets of gold plated panels then?   I
have
> > > never heard that one before.   Also had never heard that a fourth gold
> > > plated D was assembled in the States at some point later?   At
> > one point one
> > > of those was offered for sale and I called the gentleman....he
> > told me he
> > > had thought to use the car for a more or less traveling display
> > and charge
> > > for looking at it, but the insurance was astronomical and he
> > decided against
> > > it.   He didn't say anything about it being the 3rd car or the
> > 4h car.  I
> > > assumed it was the 3rd car as nothing had ever been said about
> > a 4th car at
> > > that point.  I spent a day talking to my wife about it and got her
> > > permissionto buy it, called back and the car was sold!  I wont lose
any
> > > sleep over this, but am still the curious type after 82 years!
> > > Murray
> > > Vin:05962
> > > Lic: DMC-XII
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:15:54 -0500
From: "Nelson, Allan" <abnelson_at_dml_waterousco.com>
Subject: RE: VIN 20105

I don't know about the last D being the only automatic gold car.  It's
pretty clear that the black-interior gold car in Snyder, TX is an auto.

http://www.bigtexas.com/dmc/index.html

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Porter [mailto:treehouse2000us_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:55 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] VIN 20105


Although I have never seen a Gold DeLorean in person, I do know that 
there were two gold cars made for the American Express Catalog, 
originaly the plan was for 100 of these to be made.  The last vin was 
a gold car using the spare parts from the American Express Cars, sold 
to a guy in Maryland, the only automatic gold car.  Dont quote me, 
but i thought he sold it a while back, like a year ago with less than 
700 miles on the odo, i saw that on the internet somewhere, i even 
think its on the list archive, at a time when few were interested in 
knowing about the gold cars.  In 1984 or 1985 a Doctor had a regular 
stainless steel car gold plated, so this would be the 4th car, but 
not official DMC gold.  I also believe there is a phony painted gold 
DeLorean floating around somewhere too, a mockup of what the doctor 
did in the mid 1980's.  If you dig on the internet, you will find all 
4 of these gold cars.

Also, of the two American express cars, One is gold interior (one in 
Reno), one is black (Bank in Texas) and the Last vin using the spare 
parts is gold interior.  The Phony aftermarket gold plated car (#4) 
is believed to be black interior, as far as I know.

I do not know the location of the last vin Gold car, but i do believe 
it was sold in 2002 and moved out of state.

Tom Porter

Ps.  If you are selling a black interior car in Maine, New Hampshire 
or Vermont, please email me, I am currently looking... Thanks


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> James,
> 
> I am STILL not clear about a fourth car.....all STORIES have said 
that it
> was decided at the factory in Ireland to use the one spare set of 
gold
> panels on the last car and they claim this was done.......so the 
question, I
> guess, is were there TWO spare sets of gold plated panels then?   I 
have
> never heard that one before.   Also had never heard that a fourth 
gold
> plated D was assembled in the States at some point later?   At one 
point one
> of those was offered for sale and I called the gentleman....he told 
me he
> had thought to use the car for a more or less traveling display and 
charge
> for looking at it, but the insurance was astronomical and he 
decided against
> it.   He didn't say anything about it being the 3rd car or the 4h 
car.  I
> assumed it was the 3rd car as nothing had ever been said about a 
4th car at
> that point.  I spent a day talking to my wife about it and got her
> permissionto buy it, called back and the car was sold!  I wont lose 
any
> sleep over this, but am still the curious type after 82 years!
> Murray
> Vin:05962
> Lic: DMC-XII



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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:57:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Door struts and doors

This is incorrect..  Grady's door struts are not the
same as DMCH.

--- Sonny V <sonnyvr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
> PJ Grady recently dropped his price (as did just
> about
> all the other vendors) as a result of DMCH lowering
> their price. I don't think Grady's are the same as
> DMCH's, though James Espey told me that DMCH's are
> newly designed to the original factory
> specification.
> Something about the dampening oil being bad after
> all.
<SNIP>


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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:56:22 +0200
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
Subject: AW: Door Gas Struts life Span


Tom, what do you mean with the gas spring is compressed while in non-use ?

You should take a look at the Lift-O-Mat homepage. There's always the
same pressure inside the spring, no matter if compressed or not.

I mentioned it before - the German Delorean Club sells adjustable and 
refillable gas struts. No more messing around with torsion bars !


Elvis & 6548



All,

I suggest that if you store your car, as I do,  you buy an extra set of 
gas stuts and only use them for the months when you drive.  If you leave 
them on 12 months (and in the cold)  they are compressed while in 
non-use and it is felt by most that it could help to shorten their 
lifespan.  ....
....Thanks

Tom
#05732




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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:44:11 -0500
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Door Gas Struts life Span

>struts
I have a year-round moderate temperature daily driver and by the time struts
are a year they aren't much good. I've tried Grady's, same deal. He was
shocked and replaced them after about 6 months but the replacements behaved
the same in another 6 months.
I'm trying the new improved DMCH pkg next (need louvre struts anyway).

>Also, Does anyone have a step by step for replacing a toll booth window?

I just worked out a howto for fixing window problems. It covers the removal
process-- though lightly.
www.mindspring.com/~kecreason/delorean/howto


-Kevin
Houston
4687




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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:14:00 -0500
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Re: The Golden DeLorean

I believe at one time a Gold Delorean was owned by Harry Kaufmann Motor
Cars A.K.A.
Harry's Toy Store in Wisconsin. When i was younger my Mother worked for
him and told me he had purchased one Gold Delorean, she even stated he
said it had Gold lug nuts on it.
Harry Kaufmann used to sell lots of used Deloreans in the late 80's.

Mark
6683

erikgeerdink wrote:

> Do you guys remember hearing the story in Cleveland about how the
> gold delorean was driven from Maryland (not sure if this is the
> correct state, but somewhere around there) to Wisconsin and they
> even drove through a snow storm?  Obvously they made it there
> safely, but can you imagine!?
>
> Erik
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Don Ekhoff <ekhoff_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> > Murray,
> > I'm sure it was the same car.  I was mistaken as it was the
> passanger
> > door (not driver) that had the inferior plating job. He would have
> > parted with the car for ~$60k.  I tried to determine what it would
> take
> > to get the door redone but the risk turned me off. I have seen
> many cars
> > with their trim gold plated (older Caddy's) and they tend to not
> stand
> > up very well.  The trim you see around that looks gold plated is
> really
> > TiN plated and MUCH  more durable and attractive. I could just see
> > myself making myself sick trying to keep the gold up and risking
> going
> > thru it and having a little stainless start to show thru. I am
> very
> > happy with the solid stainless, thank you very much.
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> > Murray Fisher wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Don,   This is interesting.....sounds like the same guy I
> talked to and
> > >wondering if the story was the same and if the price he asked for
> it was the
> > >same....HE asked 75K.  Of course NOW it is up to a quarter mil or
> more I
> > >guess!  It would be interesting to see a chronological history of
> the car's
> > >owners and their stories as to reasons they purchased it and sold
> it and
> > >when!!
> > >Murray
> > >Vin: 05962
> > >Lic:  DMC-XII
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:12:31 -0400
From: "Chuck Kay" <chuckkay_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Heating/Cooling Fan

Sean,
	Look at http://www.dmc12.com/crossref.htm  The first item on the list is
the blower motor.  I just bought the Four Seasons 35589 from Advanced Auto
Parts for $23.95 here in Baltimore,MD.  It was a perfect fit and works
great.

		Chuck - Chief mechanic to vin 10610

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Mulligan [mailto:sean_mulligan_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:46 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Heating/Cooling Fan


Does anyone know the part number of the
heating/cooling fan blower motor fan under the
passanger side dash?  Is there a part I can
crossreference that would work?  If so, where can I
purchase it?  Thanks.

-Sean Mulligan
vin #10054
FLUXING


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