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Date: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:59 PM

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Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DeLorean Values, etc.
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

2. Re: DeLorean Values, etc.
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: DeLorean Values, etc.
From: Mads de Bruin <debruin_at_dml_dia.eur.nl>

4. Re: DeLorean Values, etc.
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Re: Driving History (DeLorean Values, etc.)
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

6. RE: Door Gas Struts life Span
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

7. Re: Door Gas Struts life Span
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_comcast.net>

8. Re: Door Gas Struts life Span
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_comcast.net>

9. Re: AW: Door Gas Struts life Span
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

10. Re: Re: Door struts and doors
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. Re: Poor Running when cold, Please Help
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

12. RE: Poor Running when cold, Please Help
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

13. Re: Poor Running when cold, Please Help
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

14. Re: Top 10 ways to tell whether or not you are a DeLorean nerd
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: Fan Fail Light
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

16. Re: Fan Fail Light
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

17. Re: Heating/Cooling Fan
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

18. Re: 2key system set for sale
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

19. looking for members in Colorado
From: "Alex " <af_rocks_at_dml_hotmail.com>

20. Fall Tour
From: "Henry" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

21. Re: North Carolina Wrecked D For Sale
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

22. Re: Re: Top 10 ways to tell whether or not you are a DeLorean nerd
From: chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk

23. Re: Fan Fail Light
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

24. Re: Fall Tour [Caravan from the North]
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

25. RE: Re: DeLorean Values, etc.
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:11:05 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: DeLorean Values, etc.

This seems pretty simple to me.  If you are buying, you want the
prices low, if you are selling, you want the prices high.  If 
you own one and aren't selling, you want the prices low to keep
your insurance and parts costs down, until you total it and want
a big insurance settlement.  It really depends on whether you are
paying or being paid.

--
Mike

> OK... I've been wanting to start a thread on this for a while... I guess I'm 
> feeling controversial. So I figured what better time than following the Monster 
> Garage debate? So here we go. How does everyone feel about the current values of 
> the DeLoreans... and what do they want to see happen to them in the future?
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:02:29 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean Values, etc.

In a message dated 10/16/2003 10:41:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
louie_at_dml_delorean.com writes:
OK... I've been wanting to start a thread on this for a while... I guess I'm 
feeling controversial.
I bring this up because of a comment Ken Koncelik recently made replying to a 
post about me looking for a nice driver for under $20k. He responded by 
saying that I really can't find a nice driver for under $20k anymore. I was 
somewhat taken aback by this because this is simply another tactic people are 
employing to raise the DeLorean's values. A lot of people really want to see the 
car's values go up, so they put asking prices of their cars up high, and then drop 
little subtleties like this (I hope you don't take offense Ken... I'm just 
singling you out like I often do to Rich W).

Louie

I don't take any offense to the comment all I want is for you to look at the 
car that you showed me that you were going to buy for $19K.  I saw the facias 
needed repaint, the cars black parts had been repainted and not well done, the 
mileage was higher and It needed work. The frame was reasonable but it needed 
a real good cleaning.

 You are the one that said that this is the car that you felt was worth $19K 
to replace yours.

There is no little subtlety here or a tactic. and I said a NICE car.  I sold 
a NICE car that will be in Pigeon Forge for $19. Should of sold it for $23K.

You get what you pay for.  After you fix up the car and do what you need to 
do you will have $23K to $25K in the car. but I am sure you will put in sweat 
equity as well.

I'll be glad to sell you a car with low miles and a spotless frame for $26K. 
Well below the asking price of many others. Its on my web page so people can 
see what I call a clean car.

You can buy a car for $10K. and I have bought a lot of cars in this range.  
All of them needed a lot of work and if it had been done at a shop would have 
brought the price right back up to around $18 to $20.

Most peopel feel and deservedly so that their cars are worth the mid to upper 
teens.

This is in an as is state so I'll stick with my comment. 

No offense here either.

Ken 





 


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:37:02 +0200
From: Mads de Bruin <debruin_at_dml_dia.eur.nl>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Values, etc.

Hi everybody,
I don't post much to the list but I read all your tips carefully. I just 
wanted to respond to this.
I don't think you should buy a DeLorean and expect to make any money on 
it. It's just like a new car, even though you spend a lot of money on it 
to keep it in good condition, the value keeps getting less.
The DeLorean is an exception, it will keep it's value through the years. 
Just recently I sold my D for a few hundred dollars less than what I 
payed for it three years ago. I had to do this because the frame was 
showing some spots that had to be carefully looked at. Over the years I 
spend a few thousands dollars in maintenace and replacements but you 
have this with a new car also, don't expect to earn these costs back 
when you want to sell the car.
I like the value of the car the way it is now, as you said Louie, 
affordable for a lot of people. I have to be honest to say that I don't 
mind when the value goes up but I think this will take e decade or so. 
The car is not an oldtimer but a classic and I think that's why the 
value stays around $20k for a good condition car.
I have to go with Louie on this, I don't realy care if the price goes 
up. I bought the car to enjoy it and not to make money on it.
I just don't hope the value drops! ;-)

Greetings from the Netherlands,
Mads de Bruin
VIN# 06881 (SOLD)
VIN# 02010 (as of next monday!!!)

Louie Golden wrote:

>OK... I've been wanting to start a thread on this for a while... I guess I'm feeling controversial. So I figured what better time than following the Monster Garage debate? So here we go. How does everyone feel about the current values of the DeLoreans... and what do they want to see happen to them in the future?
>
>I bring this up because of a comment Ken Koncelik recently made replying to a post about me looking for a nice driver for under $20k. He responded by saying that I really can't find a nice driver for under $20k anymore. I was somewhat taken aback by this because this is simply another tactic people are employing to raise the DeLorean's values. A lot of people really want to see the car's values go up, so they put asking prices of their cars up high, and then drop little subtleties like this (I hope you don't take offense Ken... I'm just singling you out like I often do to Rich W).
>
>Though I'm somewhat of a purist, I like the DeLorean's values just where they are right now. They're accessible to almost anyone who wants one bad enough. Anyone who's been in the hobby the past several years has noticed that DeLorean owners seem to get younger and younger. I think that's a great thing... those who are truly passionate about the cars can in fact own one! I'm sure most owners would like to see a decent return on their investments eventually. But I guess I'm in the minority in the fact that I'm really not thinking about that... and couldn't care less. I bought a DeLorean because I loved the car, and wouldn't have sold mine for any amount of money offered to me. So what's everyone elses opinions on the matter?
>
>Louie Golden
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Values, etc.

Ditto: "I like the DeLorean's values just where they are right now."

Compared to other sporty/fun cars the dollar-to-fun ratio in the DeLorean can't
be beat (IMHO). I love driving my D and that's why I purchased it, not as an
investment. Most people I come in contact with who are unfamiliar with the car
think it is close to $ix digit$. I love the fact that it is not. If the value
ever gets super high it might force me to sell because I couldn't afford
maintenance on an "exotic" priced car.

Shannon Y
16506 (over 14k miles since Feb.) 

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:46:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden < louie_at_dml_delorean.com >
Subject: DeLorean Values, etc.

OK... I've been wanting to start a thread on this for a while... 
>>snip<<
So what's everyone elses opinions on the 
matter?

Louie Golden 

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:03:45 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Driving History (DeLorean Values, etc.)

Nice thing about DeLo's is they put posession of honest to goodness
historical artifact within most people's reach. Initial purchase,
ongoing maintainence, actual use, etc.

For example, I'm also mad about Boeing 707's. But I can't very well
buy one. Even if I could, wouldn't have anywhere to store it. Couldn't
maintain it or fly it. Is a piece of history forever out of my grasp.

While working on my D sometimes try to imagine what it looked like
riding around Dunmurry on its Tellus. Imagine the Irish hands that
turned the same fastener I'm turning nearly quarter century later. If
I had a time machine, what would it be like to wander down rows and
rows of identical cars until I found *MINE*, the same car now sitting
in my driveway, fresh off the factory floor.

Now you know why my hands look the way they do. Should pay closer
attention to what I'm doing rather than letting my mind wander...

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_d...> wrote:
>
> Though I'm somewhat of a purist, I like the DeLorean's values just
where they are right now. They're accessible to almost anyone who
wants one bad enough. Anyone who's been in the hobby the past several
years has noticed that DeLorean owners seem to get younger and
younger. I think that's a great thing... those who are truly
passionate about the cars can in fact own one! I'm sure most owners
would like to see a decent return on their investments eventually. But
I guess I'm in the minority in the fact that I'm really not thinking
about that... and couldn't care less. I bought a DeLorean because I
loved the car, and wouldn't have sold mine for any amount of money
offered to me. So what's everyone elses opinions on the matter?
> 
> Louie Golden
> 
> _____________________________________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:37:34 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Door Gas Struts life Span

Kevin, The struts I sell are factory original. Interesting you would have
that premature failure in any struts. If you will send them to me I would
like to see how they test.
John Hervey



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From: K. Creason [mailto:dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:44 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] Door Gas Struts life Span


>struts
I have a year-round moderate temperature daily driver and by the time struts
are a year they aren't much good. I've tried Grady's, same deal. He was
shocked and replaced them after about 6 months but the replacements behaved
the same in another 6 months.
I'm trying the new improved DMCH pkg next (need louvre struts anyway).

>Also, Does anyone have a step by step for replacing a toll booth window?

I just worked out a howto for fixing window problems. It covers the removal
process-- though lightly.
www.mindspring.com/~kecreason/delorean/howto


-Kevin
Houston
4687



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:03:44 -0400
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Door Gas Struts life Span

Elvis,
I have checked the German site but could not find the adjustable struts
anywhere. My German is pretty good but maybe I just missed it somehow. Could
you post the actual link? Thanks.
Rustproof
Vin#1559
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From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:56 PM
Subject: AW: [DML] Door Gas Struts life Span


>
> Tom, what do you mean with the gas spring is compressed while in non-use ?
>
> You should take a look at the Lift-O-Mat homepage. There's always the
> same pressure inside the spring, no matter if compressed or not.
>
> I mentioned it before - the German Delorean Club sells adjustable and
> refillable gas struts. No more messing around with torsion bars !
>
>
> Elvis & 6548
>
>
>
> All,
>
> I suggest that if you store your car, as I do,  you buy an extra set of
> gas stuts and only use them for the months when you drive.  If you leave
> them on 12 months (and in the cold)  they are compressed while in
> non-use and it is felt by most that it could help to shorten their
> lifespan.  ....
> ....Thanks
>
> Tom
> #05732
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:20:22 -0400
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Door Gas Struts life Span

I have found that the driver's side strut deteriorates in performance at
moderate temperatures (between 60F - 80F) in about six months. This has
happened twice with both stock and the aftermarket replacements. It becomes
noticeable when I use my door launchers that were originally timed to open
at the same time. Now, the driver side lags behind by quite a bit. (More
use, more wear.) Sometimes it does not open completely. The torsion bar
"hang" test shows that the bars are correctly adjusted.  When the strut is
switched to the other door it shows the inconsistency is in the strut as the
problem migrates to the passenger side. I also noticed that the second set I
received from Houston was just a tad longer than the originals and bent the
mount when first installed so be careful and check for fit BEFORE you close
the door for the first time. Elvis' adjustable strut seems to be the best
solution I've heard yet. Has anyone actually tried these German made units?
Rustproof
Vin 1559

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From: "Tom Watkins" <dmctom_at_dml_earthlink.net>
To: "DMC News Group" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:51 AM
Subject: [DML] Door Gas Struts life Span


> All,
>
> I suggest that if you store your car, as I do,  you buy an extra set of
> gas stuts and only use them for the months when you drive.  If you leave
> them on 12 months (and in the cold)  they are compressed while in
> non-use and it is felt by most that it could help to shorten their
> lifespan.   In the spring I re-install the "good" set and use them for
> the summer driving season.  Once late fall hits and the car goes into
> the barn for the winter, the older set go on and the new set comes into
> the house to hang in a warm closet.  The "old" set are not totally blown
> but just not as vibrant as the new ones.  They are good enough to help
> the door go up when I need to go in the car .  Since it's usually
> *really* cold here in Maine the doors sag terribly anyway so I'd rather
> save my good set of struts.     With the recent reduction is strut
> prices it is more affordable to get another set as a back up
>
> Also, Does anyone have a step by step for replacing a toll booth window?
>   I just bought a new glass with the plastic carrier on it and would
> like to install it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
> #05732
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:36:59 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: AW: Door Gas Struts life Span

Hi Elvis

I know what you mean, but you're not correct to say "there's always the 
same pressure". A gas strut works like this: It's basically a simple 
piston assembly. The only difference is gas is able to flow from one end 
of the barrel to the other. I've never taken one apart so I'm not sure 
how it's done, but would guess there're grooves machined into the wall 
of the bore. As the piston is compressed, gas flows from the base end to 
the rod end, but of course the more the strut is compressed, the more 
volume is taken up by the rod itself, so the highest pressure (and the 
geatest "push" from the piston) comes when the rod is fully retracted. 
The force exerted on the rod is proportional to the cross sectional area 
of the rod only, NOT the bore. [This principle is used in hydraulics 
when implementing "regeneration" - the pressurising of both ends of the 
ram by the same amount, but creating an imbalance in force because of 
the cross-sectional area of the rod, allowing you to shift the piston by 
only passing the volume of the rod through the pump, and not the volume 
of the whole bore]. The speed the strut moves is set by the size of the 
grooves (or whatever) that pass the gas from one end to the other. Make 
a smaller groove, the slower the piston will move - this is how the 
"brake" is acheved. It does not reduce the force of the strut.

Make sense?

Martin

Elvis Nocita wrote:

>Tom, what do you mean with the gas spring is compressed while in non-use ?
>
>You should take a look at the Lift-O-Mat homepage. There's always the
>same pressure inside the spring, no matter if compressed or not.
>
>I mentioned it before - the German Delorean Club sells adjustable and 
>refillable gas struts. No more messing around with torsion bars !
>
>  
>





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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:20:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Door struts and doors

Um er... I misread..

"I don't think Grady's are the same as DMCH's"

This IS correct.  The struts are NOT the same.

--- Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
> This is incorrect..  Grady's door struts are not the
> same as DMCH.
> 
> --- Sonny V <sonnyvr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > PJ Grady recently dropped his price (as did just
> > about
> > all the other vendors) as a result of DMCH
> lowering
> > their price. I don't think Grady's are the same as
> > DMCH's, though James Espey told me that DMCH's are
> > newly designed to the original factory
> > specification.
> > Something about the dampening oil being bad after
> > all.
> <SNIP>
> 
> 

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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:20:46 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Poor Running when cold, Please Help

In a message dated 10/16/03 6:57:12 PM Central Daylight Time, dcsj_at_dml_excite.com 
writes:


 Is there a most 
> 
> likely item we should be looking at that would cause this senario of 
> events?
> 
> Thanks, Dennis 5180

Dennis,

Does it do this stuff every single time when it is cold?  does it clear up 
every single time once it gets warm?

Important things to check would be proper operation of the control pressure 
regulator (which is dependant on ambient temperature).  this can be checked 
with a fuel pressure gauge, instructions are in the shop manual.  at 20 degrees, 
your control pressure should be between .8 and 1.5 bar.

also you want to check the entire vacuum system for correct routing or bad 
hoses (more likely).  when the engine is cold, the lambda system should go into 
a fixed pulse setting which will make the engine run a little rich to enhance 
cold running driveability.  this is determined by the lambda thermal switch 
under the intake manifold.  

the only other thing i can think of that changes with temperature for the 
engine would be the heat stove valve in the air intake hose.  if it is stuck, i 
suppose it would worsen driveablity at certain temperatures.

You should read all of the 'Fuel, Emission, and Exhaust System' chapter in 
the shop manual.  many secrets will be revealed and understood!

Good luck,
Andy


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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:26:43 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Poor Running when cold, Please Help

Dennis, If all you vacuum hoses are ok, then most likly it's the Warm Up
Regulator or also known as the Control pressure regulator. Here is a link at
to what it looks like.
It's about 3/4 of the way down the page on the right.
John Hervey
www.specialtauto.com
Delorean parts

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From: dcsj4465 [mailto:dcsj_at_dml_excite.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:04 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Poor Running when cold, Please Help


I have a friend who is having problems with drivability when the
engine is cold. Now it seems to be getting worse. The problem seems
to persist with cold ambient temps. When ever the eng is cold he has
to let it warm up a couple minutes otherwise it will buck and jerk
pretty bad. It usually clears up in a mile or two. Recently he had to
drive nearly 10 miles before it cleared up. That day the morning temp
was in the 20's.(DULUTH,MN) The last time I talked with him he had
driven the car up the Northshore of lake Superior about 20 miles with
it running poorly all the way. After he arrived at his destination,
he gave the throttle spool some quick revs as if too try and clear
the engine out then shut it off. He drove home an hour later and all
was fine. This is a mystery! Any suggestions wound be helpfull. Also
the frequency valve appears to be buzzing just fine. Is there a most
likely item we should be looking at that would cause this senario of
events?

Thanks, Dennis 5180



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:28:19 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Poor Running when cold, Please Help

How long has it been since it had a tune-up? You can't always go by
miles in a car that is not driven frequently. My guess is it needs
spark plugs and ignition wires and probably clean the injectors and
replace the injector seals. It could also be a problem in the vacuum
advance circuit like a leaking vacuum hose.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "dcsj4465" <dcsj_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> I have a friend who is having problems with drivability when the 
> engine is cold. Now it seems to be getting worse. The problem seems 
> to persist with cold ambient temps. When ever the eng is cold he has 
> to let it warm up a couple minutes otherwise it will buck and jerk 
> pretty bad. It usually clears up in a mile or two. Recently he had to 
> drive nearly 10 miles before it cleared up. That day the morning temp 
> was in the 20's.(DULUTH,MN) The last time I talked with him he had 





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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:13:32 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Top 10 ways to tell whether or not you are a DeLorean nerd

In a message dated 10/16/03 6:45:52 PM Central Daylight Time, 
mark_at_dml_meninblack.ca writes:

> Hey all.
> 
> Dan's post reminded me of something...
> 
> How many celebrities are out there who have owned a DeLorean at one time or
> another?

One of the blokes in Duran Duran (of Manchester 80's pop band fame) had one.  
in fact it was for sale on ebay within the last year (by the 2nd or 3rd 
owner).  i like to play DD at car shows thru my stereo system.  it is definitive of 
the era, kinda how those guys with 50's cars play popular 50's songs at their 
displays - if i'm weird enough to like DeLoreans, i'm weird enough to find 
guilty pleasure in Duran Duran!

other celebrities of course include Johnny Carson and Troy McClure (lol).

Andy


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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:26:28 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Fan Fail Light

For information: you can test your Fan Fail light by plugging 12v into 
the centre connection of the blue relay socket to the front/right of the 
relay compartment. On early cars, the socket is black.

Martin

David Teitelbaum wrote:

>I was checking over my car in preparation for the Fall Tour and I
>noticed my fan fail light would not go on. 
>





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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:54:06 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Fan Fail Light

I'm running fused jumpers right now, but I want a Fanzilla.

Why are they wired for the fan fail light to be ON, and the light to 
go off when the fans fail?

Rich
#5335

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> 
wrote:
> I was checking over my car in preparation for the Fall Tour and I
> noticed my fan fail light would not go on. I have a Fanzilla so I
> couldn't believe that it had failed! I figured it was just the bulb.
> Switching the bulbs around with the door lock bulb didn't help but 
if
> I twisted the socket I could get it to light up. It turned out to be
> the ground wire where it connects to the shell of the light socket. 
It
> was crimped tightly but it wasn't making electrical contact. I 
removed
> it, cleaned it, and then soldered it back. I mention this only so
> people will check the functionality of the fan fail light and then 
if
> it isn't working not to jump to conclusions and figure it is just 
the
> bulb. Even with a Fanzilla you must check the fan fail light from 
time
> to time. BTW this could happen in many places in the car so always
> check your grounds!
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757




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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:21:11 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Heating/Cooling Fan

Would you say it has any more flow than the stock one?

Jim
1537

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:12:31 -0400 "Chuck Kay" <chuckkay_at_dml_comcast.net>
writes:
> Sean,
> 	Look at http://www.dmc12.com/crossref.htm  The first item on 
> the list is
> the blower motor.  I just bought the Four Seasons 35589 from 
> Advanced Auto
> Parts for $23.95 here in Baltimore,MD.  It was a perfect fit and 
> works
> great.
> 
> 		Chuck - Chief mechanic to vin 10610


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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:12:00 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 2key system set for sale

Erik, it is really important with the door locks that they come with the 
plastic clip for the back, as it's impossible to remove the locks 
without breaking it. Do yours include them? Also is the door key 
complete with light?

Best Wishes

Martin

erikgeerdink wrote:

>Hi, I have a complete two key system set for sale.  It includes both 
>doors, ignition, gas cap and of course the keys.  If you are 
>interested please make me an offer privately.
>
>Thanks,
>Erik
>
>  
>






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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:32:46 -0000
From: "Alex " <af_rocks_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: looking for members in Colorado

Heelo,

I just moved back to the Denver area and was wondering if there was 
a group out here or even just a couple of ownersw ho wanted to get 
together and live the dream. I was active in the NCDMC and hope to 
continue to learn more about these great cars. Please email me off 
list.
 Lex_Rod(at)hotmail.com


Alex
2438
"Lex Rod"




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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:59:50 -0400
From: "Henry" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Fall Tour


Hello Everyone going to the Fall Tour.

I just want to hope you all have a great time and I wish I could join you this year, but due to a prior commitment, I won't be able to make it down.   Perhaps I'll see you at the Spring Social and definitely I'll see you in Pigeon Forge!

-Hank (#1619 stuck Boston)



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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:42:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: North Carolina Wrecked D For Sale

The area code for Hendersonville is 828. I'm reasonably close to Hendersonville if anyone is serious about the car. I can go look at it, and report what I find... I've also got a digital camera.

Louie Golden
VIN Coming Again SOON! :-)


--- Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
On my way to Greenville, SC last month I met a gas station attendant that told me of a friend who was looking to sell his DeLorean. It has been sitting for some years and has some front end damage. Here is the contact info for anyone interested: Gerald Warren 693-5462 home 699-2322 cell (you'll need to find the area code for
Henderson, NC).

Shannon Y
16506

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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:17:21 +0200 (CEST)
From: chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk
Subject: Re: Re: Top 10 ways to tell whether or not you are a DeLorean nerd



>>One of the blokes in Duran Duran (of Manchester 80's pop band fame) had one. 
>>in fact it was for sale on ebay within the last year (by the 2nd or 3rd 
>>owner).

John Taylor from Duran Duran owned Vin 16XXX it is a grey RHD car, and is owned by our club treasurer and has been for several years now. He is the 4th owner and he will never sell it!! See the link below for pics.

http://www.deloreans.co.uk/gallery/dhowarth/dhowarth.html

Chris S
Vin 16327



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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:29:47 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Fan Fail Light

If your car is wired as it was from the factory (origional) then when
you install a Fanzilla (and if Fanzilla is functioning properly) when
a fan motor fails it LIGHTS the light. Normally the fan fail light
will stay off. In the instalation instuctions that come with Fanzilla
it explains how to test the fan fail light by removing each fuse in
the unit which shuts down a fan simulating a dead fan and lighting the
warning light. This is all assuming that the wiring in the car has not
been modified except for the fan fail bypass if the origional fan fail
relay is not still in the car. With the jumpers in the car you have
lost the function of the fan fail light and I have seen myself a
jumper burn up. Under severe conditions this could have lead to the
loss of the car. At the least it can cause the motor to overheat and
melt the relay block. The jumpers with fuses in them might at least
self-destruct before they can damage the relay block. For more info go
to deloreanparts.com
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> I'm running fused jumpers right now, but I want a Fanzilla.
> 
> Why are they wired for the fan fail light to be ON, and the light to 
> go off when the fans fail?
> 
> Rich
> #5335
> 





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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:36:46 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Fall Tour [Caravan from the North]

For anyone coming in from the north I will be at the Montvale service
area on the Garden State Parkway _at_dml_ milemarker 172 at 10:45 to 11:00 on
Saturday morning. That should allow us to meet up with Gary's group at
exit 63 by 1:00. Anyone interested contact me off-list. I will be
travelling with 1 or 2 other Deloreans.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Henry" <henry_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone going to the Fall Tour.
> 
> I just want to hope you all have a great time and I wish I could
join you this year, but due to a prior commitment, I won't be able to
make it 




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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:09:46 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Re: DeLorean Values, etc.

If you want to see what I consider the top end of pricing, there is a brand
new Delorean sitting on the showroom floor at Toyota of Irving between DFW
airport and Dallas on I30. Less than 200 miles and never titled. Asking
price as of last week when I went out there was $65,000.00. Naturally I feel
he is a little out of the ball park, but the owner is like a lot of people
that think they are rare.  ( FYI )
John Hervey




-----Original Message-----
From: Shannon Yocom [mailto:ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:16 AM
To: DMC - DML News Post'n
Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Values, etc.


Ditto: "I like the DeLorean's values just where they are right now."

Compared to other sporty/fun cars the dollar-to-fun ratio in the DeLorean
can't
be beat (IMHO). I love driving my D and that's why I purchased it, not as an
investment. Most people I come in contact with who are unfamiliar with the
car
think it is close to $ix digit$. I love the fact that it is not. If the
value
ever gets super high it might force me to sell because I couldn't afford
maintenance on an "exotic" priced car.

Shannon Y
16506 (over 14k miles since Feb.)

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:46:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden < louie_at_dml_delorean.com >
Subject: DeLorean Values, etc.

OK... I've been wanting to start a thread on this for a while...
>>snip<<
So what's everyone elses opinions on the
matter?

Louie Golden




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