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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1719
Date: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:21 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Delorean for sale
From: "nbrommer2k" <nickbrom_at_dml_aol.com>

2. Re: Re: DMC's Plans
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Toll Window Operation
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

4. Toll Window Operation
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: No Fuel
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

6. Re: Toll Window Operation
From: "Scott Cagle" <dmc83n99_at_dml_cox.net>

7. Tire Rotation
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

8. Re: Tire Rotation
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

9. Re: Will there ever be more upgrade paths from DMCH?
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

10. Re: Will there ever be more upgrade paths from DMCH?
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

11. Re: DMC's plans
From: grex37_at_dml_aol.com

12. Fuse after Fuse
From: "Kramer" <jettaman95_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. Interesting Article
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com

14. Mid-Atlantic Fall tour photos
From: "Scott McMullan" <mcmullan_at_dml_netaxs.com>

15. idle problem solved and thanks
From: billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com

16. Rick Gendreau on Monster Garage
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

17. Re: Victimized Monster Garage Delo - Very long, but concerns many DMLers
From: "Tom" <tomcio_at_dml_gtemail.net>

18. Re: Re: Will there ever be more upgrade paths from DMCH?
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>

19. Re: Re: Will there ever be more upgrade paths from DMCH?
From: Pete Berveiler <zamphyr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>

20. Re: Re: Tire Rotation
From: Pete Berveiler <zamphyr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>

21. DeLorean insurance
From: "deloreanforbart" <deloreanforbart_at_dml_pacbell.net>

22. Postive thought for Deloreans
From: "armac.rm" <armac_at_dml_rocketmail.com>

23. Re: DeLorean insurance
From: "supermattthehero" <supermatty_at_dml_psu.edu>

24. Re: Re: Will there ever be more upgrade paths from DMCH?
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

25. Re: Transmissions (was upgrade paths)
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:30:42 -0000
From: "nbrommer2k" <nickbrom_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Delorean for sale

Please check the DMCNEWS classifieds for the bulk of info...

Car is in Spokane, Washington. It is painted blue, a paint job that 
is 10 years old. It was great quality when first done, but looking 
rough on the front and rear fascias.

I wanted to sell locally, but I am getting a lot of calls from people 
that haven't a clue about Deloreans. My fear is someone will buy it 
and abandon it due to a shortage of knowledge about the car. I would 
rather sell it for cheaper to an enthusiest who would give it a 
loving home.

Please, serious inquires only, as I will be as detailed as possible 
in my description...which will be thorough and time consuming.

Why am I selling? An unexpected remodel of our house has gone way 
over budget!

Nick
VIN 3092




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:58:18 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: DMC's Plans

In a message dated 10/19/03 7:35:14 PM Central Daylight Time, 
james_at_dml_usadmc.com writes:

> One of the documents discovered in the pile of stuff from the warehouse 
> move
> is what appears to be a draft of a "Long Range Product Plan" dated June
> 1981. > James Espey
> DeLorean Motor Company

James, 

what revisions were to be done for 1984 besides the Legend Turbo option?

Andy



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:03:12 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Toll Window Operation

In a message dated 10/19/03 10:32:43 PM Central Daylight Time, 
stevetrimble52_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:

> I am sure this has been covered many times but I
> didn't find any real answers in the archives sooo...my
> passenger side toll window will not operate. It is up
> and plans to stay there. I have voltage at the motor
> and can hear a faint click as the switch is operated.
> How difficult is replacing the motor. Has anyone found
> a source to perform the repair? I am too far from the
> real pros to make that a option.
> 
> Steve T

Steve,

the window motor isn't too tricky a job - it's just time consuming and in my 
opinion, opening the doors is the most annoying thing to have to do on this 
car.  if you go in, you might as well plan on replacing EVERYTHING in there that 
you can - upgrade your door locks and don't forget to replace that insulation 
around the lower door trim - it will probably tear apart and look terrible 
when you put it back together.  oh yeah, you will probably destroy half of the 
fir tree clips too, and you will probably want to replace the window felt which 
is probably disintegrated by now. i would highly recommend buying a fir-tree 
clip/door panel puller from autozone (about $4) or else you will wreck your 
panels. just yesterday i opened my doors again, hopefully for the last time, or 
at least for many years.

Andy


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:19:10 EDT
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Toll Window Operation

I'm not a big fan of, "When all else fails, get a bigger hammer." , but I 
read on the list about pulling out the front door light assembly and using a 
broom stick and light hammer taps to the motor to get it working.  I did it 12 
months ago and mine still works fine.  (Also work for one of the cooling fans!) 

ps I had a GREAT time at the Fall Tour.  Thanks to all of you that helped me 
with my questions.  Special thanks to Bill R who not only helped answer some 
questions but was willing and eager to take his own car apart to show me how to 
do certain things.

Dave and 6530


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:07:13 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: No Fuel

Even worse, if pump hoses are backwards are pushing against
distributor regulator. Don't think fuel will get in that way (spring
should keep closed). Plus is unfiltered -- even if it did get in could
pollute your distributor and injectors.

Are you *SURE* fuel is entering distributor? Or holding enough
pressure? With RPM relay jumped you should have counter pressure on
air sensor plate and hear whine/wheeze when activated manually.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> If it ran before you touched the fuel dist then I would go over
> EVERYTHING you did to it. Have someone else go over it too, they may
> see something out-of-place that you keep missing. If the fuel pump
> sounds funny maybe you hooked the hoses up wrong and now the fuel
> pressure is not right so the pump is either working too hard or not
> hard enough. Mixing up the hoses can cause this, excess fuel pressure
> is supposed to get dumped back (returned) to the fuel tank. 
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, John Podlewski <john_podlewski_at_dml_y...>
> wrote:
> > HELP!  Won't start jumped the rpm relay and fuel pump runs but does
> not sound like it should.  It ran before I DISCONNECTED THE FUEL DIST.
> EVERYTHING IS ON IN THE CORRECT ORDER as far as hoses and vacuum lines
> fuse is good as well as inertia switch but  only cranks.  Also there
> is fuel from the CPR to the fuel dist.  It's got to be something I did
> ????  it's starts to turn over with starting fluid.
> > 
> > 
> > ---------------------------------
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
> > 
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:19:54 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
From: "Scott Cagle" <dmc83n99_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Toll Window Operation

 
 Steve;

The motor itself is not a hard installation, I did mine in just a few
minutes.  Most of the bolts line right up, and as long as you watch what you
are doing, then it's not hard to remember.  Just be careful when you're
installing it not to damage the brass/plastic tube that runs from the motor
to the window itself.  if you have any questions, email me, I'll answer what
I can for you.


Scott

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:02:36 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Tire Rotation

I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on tire rotation on the
Delorean. The only way it could be accomplished would be to switch the
front tires side to side and the rear tires side to side but I have
never seen any manufacuterers recomend that type of a rotation
pattern. In fact most do not recomend reversing the rotation of a tire
once used which would happen if you did a side-to-side switch. On most
cars I do a front to back switch and that makes a difference,
spreading the wear out. The front tires seem to wear faster on the
edges due to cornering/turning so getting them on the back makes the
entire set wear more evenly. Since this is impossible on the Delorean
I guess the fronts will wear out sooner than the back tires.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:54:36 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Tire Rotation

I had been taught that the drive tires wear the fastest regardless of 
the car being front or rear wheel drive. The purpose of rotation as I 
understood it was to provide the drive tires with relief from the 
engine.

The DeLorean is not a very conventional car though and I have 
certainly not driven mine enough yet to see which ones wear out first 
so if you're experiencing more wear in your front tires I won't doubt 
you.

Back when you could get a car that had a full size spare, it was 
recommended to put the spare into the rotation as well to really 
extend the life of your tires.

I hate to say it, but tire rotation on a DeLorean is probably a non-
event.

Rich
#5335


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> 
wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on tire rotation on the
> Delorean. The only way it could be accomplished would be to switch 
the
> front tires side to side and the rear tires side to side but I have
> never seen any manufacuterers recomend that type of a rotation
> pattern. In fact most do not recomend reversing the rotation of a 
tire
> once used which would happen if you did a side-to-side switch. On 
most
> cars I do a front to back switch and that makes a difference,
> spreading the wear out. The front tires seem to wear faster on the
> edges due to cornering/turning so getting them on the back makes the
> entire set wear more evenly. Since this is impossible on the 
Delorean
> I guess the fronts will wear out sooner than the back tires.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757




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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:54:58 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Will there ever be more upgrade paths from DMCH?

No less an authority than Fred Dellis (of Legend Industries fame) told
us at the Spring Meet this past April that his company was able to get
all the power they needed to out of the Delorean PRV. Their big
problem was the transmissions, they wouldn't handle the additional
power. IMHO the best use of DMCH's resources is to supply parts and
service. If they were to dedicate too much effort to the pursuit of
horsepower it would be to the detriment of the availabilty of parts. I
am guessing but that's why they aren't going much further with engine
development. If you need a faster car maybe a Delorean isn't for you.
If DMCH gave you more horsepower in a short time you would be saying
how about some more! If you really want to increase the output of the
motor there are others that can help. In the meantime DMCH has to
continue to source and manufacture parts so that the Delorean can
continue to survive.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_b...> wrote:
> I notice James has been participating a bit more regularly in the
mailing 
> list lately, so perhaps he can comment on this, since all we seem to be 
> getting are rumors.
> 





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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:57:50 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Will there ever be more upgrade paths from DMCH?

Andrew -

First off, I participate in the DML as time permits, BUT you (and anyone
else, for that matter) are ALWAYS free to call me at the office
(800-872-3621) and ask a question. If I don't have the answer, I'll put you
on to someone here who does.

The engine with the modified, cams, heads, exhaust that was originally Stage
I, is now officially called Stage II. Stage I is the exhaust on it's own.
This makes it very easy for someone to buy the exhaust today, and then later
upgrade to Stage II.

We are working very closely with Edelbrock in California on two additional
performance upgrades. One is the nitrous setup that was in very early
development at our open house. I'm told that it should be ready for the
public by the end of the year (happy holidays, anyone?). Again, as with the
rest of the engine stuff that we have done, the goal has been reliability,
ease of installation, performance and the ability to return to stock if
desired.

Edelbrock is also developing the EFI for us. Rather than "cook up" a system
on our own based on some of the shelf unit, we're dealing with Edelbrock to
develop a system FOR the DeLorean. They have a very well-respected name in
the industry, and we're very happy to be working with them. This EFI system,
assuming all goes to plan, will be the Stage III upgrade.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
15023 Eddie Drive
Humble, Texas 77396

281/441-2537 Voice
281/441-2813 Fax
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com 




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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:05:46 EDT
From: grex37_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DMC's plans

In a message dated 10/20/2003 6:47:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com writes:

     Jack, thats really a good question. I have thought about that before, 
and in my opinion, I just guess the name "DeLorean" stands out more for 
publicity reasons (especially because it carries the name of its creator, who was 
creating a lot of hype with this car), because after all, "DMC-12" doesnt say 
much, and its not a very catchy name. Regards,

John C.


> Just a thought: Calling the first car "The Delorean" in ads, etc, and
> having the company named Delorean Motor Car, does anyone else find
> this odd, especially thinking about future models at that time?
> 



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:15:36 -0000
From: "Kramer" <jettaman95_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Fuse after Fuse

Dear List,
  Last night I was on my way back home and I started up my D with no 
problem. But no later then I started it up then I put on my lights 
and then my low beams. My radio set off and my windows refused to 
work. I figured it was a blown fuse and later today it turned out I 
was right.
  I went to my electronic store and bought a small package of brand 
new fuses. I put on in right away, started up the car and my radio 
didn't work again. I decided to go home and have a second look and 
the new fuse blew! While the place in the fuse box looks okay.
  Now what do I do? I don't want to mess up anymore until I can fix 
it. Please help. I should also state that it is not the factory 
orginal in there but a CD player.
    Thanks again,
       Kramer
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:11:18 -0500
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com
Subject: Interesting Article

I thought this article might be interesting to Delorean enthusiasts, it does
mention the Delorean however it is specifically about the new persuit of
Malcolm Bricklin; the designer of the other gull winged car.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/982199.asp

Mike




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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:47:55 -0400
From: "Scott McMullan" <mcmullan_at_dml_netaxs.com>
Subject: Mid-Atlantic Fall tour photos


My wife and I had a great time at the fall tour, lots for us neophytes to
learn and see.
Many thanks to everyone involved!

We had 2 digital cameras going, and took over 70 pictures.  I have put them
all online here (http://www.sixgeeks.org/~scott/DeLorean/falltour4), in case
anyone wants to take a peek.  This is my first time putting together a
compendium like this; please no flames.  And it is *all* the pictures; some
came out, some didn't, and some should be only of interest to me.

All the images posted there have been scaled to about 640x480, but the
originals are much higher resolution.  If you'd like a copy of any of the
higher-res photos, or if you want to use the pictures commercially, email me
off the list.

--Scott
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:26:21 EDT
From: billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: idle problem solved and thanks

With the help of Martin and Rich Acuti this time I may have solved my idle 
problem. My idle was sluggish, my car surged up and down when cold and I had RPM 
dips when I took it out of gear. Acceleration was fine. After checking almost 
everything and bugging lots of people I think I got it straightened 
out....Having checked just about everything I was running out of ideas. I emailed 
Martin off list and he gave me a suggestion as an option. I know is goes against 
everything we hold sacred on the  DML :-) But I adjusted the 3 brass screws.  

What Martin suggested is to slightly open the main idle screw no more then 1 
turn and then each of the screws that controls each side 2 turns. Me and Rich 
have helped each other over the past 6 months so he threw his kids in his car 
and came over. Since I have kids it worked out great so Rich and I could hit 
the garage. After telling Rich we should check, plugs, injectors, etc, etc. 
etc.  Rich said to try Martin's idea.

First we verified my 02 setting was fine. So Rich then opened the main screw 
1/2 turn and the other 2 screws 1 turn. My idle suddenly smoothed out and 
sounded great. Me and Rich took a test drive and no more idle dips. My RPMs drop 
perfectly to the right idle speed every time. The last test came when starting 
my engine cold. No more surging! So my car now runs the best it has in 2 
years. I realize those screws are talked about alot on this list but it seems with 
each 25  year old engine some may need more air then others. All I know is my 
engine now runs perfect. Thanks guys.

Mike C
2109 


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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:21:50 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Rick Gendreau on Monster Garage

Watched MG with the Man himself this weekend. He explained that car
pictured on lift at beginning of show was NOT the donated project car.
Pure Hollywood, so don't worry about lost panels etc.

Project car had to be pushed into shop (with pieces falling off?). Of
course didn't picture that.

Throwing panels around and smashing windows was scripted.

Apparently JJ did indeed stomp off set and leave everyone
"quarterbackless" (please...) for a day.

Ken K was offered a position on the team...

Oh, show called us "dorks", not "nerds".

Bill Robertson
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:27:58 -0400
From: "Tom" <tomcio_at_dml_gtemail.net>
Subject: Re: Victimized Monster Garage Delo - Very long, but concerns many DMLers

Hello everyone!
I feel that I should say something after all the hate mail I got after
posting on this subject. At first it seemed that noone agreed with my
coments about MG, but after the show... well, there weren't too many people
happy with what they saw. Here's my answer to some of the mail I got and
some comments about other posts on this subject.

Hank, #1619 wrote:
Lawsuit? On what grounds?  Please, let's be serious here for a second, and
I'm not even a lawyer.   They didn't do anything illegal - they acquired a
car and made some modifications, even if that including destroying it.  I
don't think you can claim "pain and suffering" either.  You'd get laughed
out of court so fast it wouldn't even be funny.   And what good would it do
anyway? The car is already gone... you're not going to get it back.  And
sending hate mail isn't going to do much either.-------------
*I don't think I would get laughed out of court. Not in this country. Lets
not forget that this IS America's favourite sport! My idea for a lawsuit was
to say that they destroyed a classic car that there is a limited number of.
Not my "pain and suffering", but pointless destruction of a CLASSIC car. AND
I didn't want to get any money from the Discovery Channel. I was thinking
about them paying the money to some classic car museum or some classic car
restoration club. How about them investing in "Car is Reborn" with DeLorean?
You get the idea.

Dave Boboc wrote:
A lawsuit?  Over a car?!  I think your priorities are a little screwed up.
Come on, say it with me:  IT'S..JUST..A...CAR... ---------------
*Maybe you are right, maybe my priorities are screwed up, but there weren't
too many people happy with what they saw. If you think that it is JUST a
car, why do you like this car so much? There is something about that car
makes people like it a lot more than JUST any other car.

Jack Stiefel wrote:
Come on now.  It has been a year and that's all you came up with?  I think
it is great for our cars to have so many TV spots.  How about the El Camino
they bought and chopped up on MG?  That was a cherry car and they just
destroyed it.  Do you want to sue Universal Studios for destroying several
cars for BTTF?  How about Rich for the D-Rex, Hover Car, Convertible?  Maybe
we can start a class action suit against them and throw in the double engine
"D"  and all painted "D's" just for good measure.  That way no one would
ever modify another DeLorean again.  What grounds would you like to sue
for?--------
*Yep, it took me a whole year to come up with this! I'm slow.
To be honest I didn't think about Rich's ideas until I saw the program. In
my opinion it's different when someone modifies their own car. People want
their cars to be... well, like no other, to be what they want. And that is
ok with me. It's a different story if you destroy a classic car for no good
reason other that to be on TV and make some money in the process. I lost all
respect for Rich and Don! BTW, I have the same opinion about people who take
DeLoreans apart just to sell the parts and make money.

John, 4275 wrote:
Hey, at least now your DeLorean is worth more....-------
*I seriously doubt that! Mine lost a lot because of this show.


David Teitelbaum, vin 10757
Someone famous once said "I don't care what they say about me as long
as they spell my name right" or words to that effect. The point is
that the publicity is the main thing. As upsetting as this eposode may
be to some it WILL generate interest in Deloreans in general and that
is a good thing. In the long run people will forget the details and
just remember that there was a Delorean hovercraft on the show. You
have to remember that this show is purely for entertainment purposes
and to do that they do whatever they think will get them the highest
ratings and viewer attendance. From all this controversy I think they
succeded!-----------------
*I have to strongly disagree with this! 95% of people that know anything
about DeLorean is that the car was made using drug money, or that it was
made just to smuggle cocaine into the country (yes, I got a coment like that
twice now), or that the DeLorean factory was used for laundering drug money.
EVERYONE thinks that John DeLorean was a major drug dealer and they hope
that he is still in jail. People forgot all the good things and all that is
left is the association of DeLoreans with cocaine. Then of course there are
questions like "where's your flux capacitor" which for some reason I seem to
get more and more in recent days.
The only comment about the MG that I got so far was on a day after the MG
aired. I only got one comment so far because I didn't drive the car since
that day. The comment was at a gas station, some guy that was filling up his
Cadillac SUV (not some trash!) looked at my car and said: "why don't you
make that f***en thing into a hovercraft? maybe then it will be worth sh*t".
Thank you, but this kind of recognition is absolutly the LAST thing that I
wanted after all the cocaine comments that I get.


To sum up, I am not against modyfing a DeLorean! Not at all. As a matter of
fact I'm modyfing my own car. Sometimes I'm even against using OEM parts. A
good example would be shock absorbers. I would never use 22 year-old shocks
on my car. I like my car to be "mine". I like to have things that I need or
like. Things that I consider as improvements. If you don't like the
instrument cluster in your car, change it! Change it to something that will
let you enjoy the car even more! If you think that the car doesn't have
enough power, change it! Install turbos or install a different engine. BUT
please, don't destroy DeLoreans for no good reason! The reason behind the MG
was NOT a good reason. Some say that it is a good thing that there is less
and less DeLoreans out there because the remaining cars are worth more... I
myself don't care how much my car is worth. It is not for sale, so the value
is not important. I would prefer if it didn't go up, because I don't want
the prices of parts to go up.
I'm against destroing DeLoreans and I'm doing everything that I can to save
them. I saved a couple of cars myself! This applies to all classic cars, not
just DeLoreans. Cars that have more than just monetary value... those cars
cannot be replaced!

How about seeing a DeLorean on "Car is Reborn" with Mark Evans? He restored
a Jag. Now, that was something I really enjoed watching. And I would love to
see a DeLorean being reborn. THAT is something that would give us the
positive recognition that we need. That would let people realise that
DeLoreans are not so exotic and that parts are still available. And last but
not least, that would raise positive interest that we so much need and
values of the cars. I myself enjoy creation much more than needless
destruction!

In my opinion if someone is just looking to make money or for a way to get
on TV, look somewhere else and stay away from fine automobiles!


Lets not destroy any more DeLoreans!
Tom Niemczewski
vin 6149 (saved)
previously vin 6298 (saved)




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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:08:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Will there ever be more upgrade paths from DMCH?

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, James Espey wrote:

> First off, I participate in the DML as time permits, BUT you (and anyone
> else, for that matter) are ALWAYS free to call me at the office
> (800-872-3621) and ask a question. If I don't have the answer, I'll put
> you on to someone here who does.

Sure.  I know it, and appreciate it.  I just know there are probably 
enough other people on the list who have been wondering the same thing 
that I figured we should just get it out in the open.  :)

> We are working very closely with Edelbrock in California on two
> additional performance upgrades. One is the nitrous setup that was in
> very early development at our open house. I'm told that it should be
> ready for the public by the end of the year (happy holidays, anyone?)...

Sign me up!  I'm right here in town, but then again, I guess you guys have 
plenty of guinea pig vehicles as it is.  :-)

> Edelbrock is also developing the EFI for us.

Excellent.  I am glad to get some definitive information about this 
system.

Any plans to beef up the transmission to match the increased power of 
these upgrade paths?  I know I'd be a bit worried about the torque a 
nitrous system would be pushing through.

It's my understanding that the only real problem with the transmission and
higher powered engines is the input shafts.  I believe Darryl Tinnerstet
got some inconel shafts machined to go with his supercharged Chevy
Delorean and has been pretty pleased with the results.  (Correct me if I'm
misremembering here, Darryl.)

I don't think any of us want to pressure you guys to skimp on quality or
to prioritize the performance niche of an already niche market to the
point that you reduce your quality of service to those looking for support
of their "normal" Deloreans, but I definitely appreciate the update and
additional information.  There have been a lot of rumors and a lot of
misinformation going around which you've helped put to rest.  Please keep
the list updated with your progress.  I'm sure I'm not the only one
interested.

-andrew
 #4115
 Houston TX



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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:47:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pete Berveiler <zamphyr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Will there ever be more upgrade paths from DMCH?

Thank Goodness I put my Electromotive TEC3 order on
hold!!

WOOO HOOO!!!

Thanks for the update james




--- James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com> wrote:
> Andrew -
> 
> > 
> We are working very closely with Edelbrock in
> California on two additional
> performance upgrades. One is the nitrous setup that
> was in very early
> development at our open house. I'm told that it
> should be ready for the
> public by the end of the year (happy holidays,
> anyone?). Again, as with the
> rest of the engine stuff that we have done, the goal
> has been reliability,
> ease of installation, performance and the ability to
> return to stock if
> desired.
> 
> Edelbrock is also developing the EFI for us. Rather
> than "cook up" a system
> on our own based on some of the shelf unit, we're
> dealing with Edelbrock to
> develop a system FOR the DeLorean. They have a very
> well-respected name in
> the industry, and we're very happy to be working
> with them. This EFI system,
> assuming all goes to plan, will be the Stage III
> upgrade.



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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:50:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pete Berveiler <zamphyr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Tire Rotation

Has anyone considered off-wheel rotation?  Thats what
I did with my Z28 when the fronts were smaller than
rears...  It balanced tire wear a LITTLE


--- cruznmd <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com> wrote:
> I had been taught that the drive tires wear the
> fastest regardless of 
> the car being front or rear wheel drive. The purpose
> of rotation as I 
> understood it was to provide the drive tires with
> relief from the 
> engine.
> 
> The DeLorean is not a very conventional car though
> and I have 
> certainly not driven mine enough yet to see which
> ones wear out first 
> so if you're experiencing more wear in your front
> tires I won't doubt 
> you.



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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:53:30 -0000
From: "deloreanforbart" <deloreanforbart_at_dml_pacbell.net>
Subject: DeLorean insurance

how is an insurance for delorean ? 

is it expensive ? ... deloreans are insured as classic/collectors 
cars ... but is it possible to get a normal everyday driver 
insurance ? 

how much more are you guys paying than for a normal car ?




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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:52:35 -0000
From: "armac.rm" <armac_at_dml_rocketmail.com>
Subject: Postive thought for Deloreans

Sine the Monster Garage show I have seen many suggestion on getting 
postive coverage on the Delorean car and was wondering if anyone has 
or is trying to get one of the auto shows to one of the Delorean get 
together? I for one would love to see My Classic Car at the up-coming 
2004 Delorean meet in Piegon Forge. From what I have seen and read it 
looks like it would be hard to get Dennis there but would be great if 
it does happen. At least it would be a little bit of postive news for 
us "Delorean Nerds" and the cars themselves.

VIN#5745




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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:01:42 -0000
From: "supermattthehero" <supermatty_at_dml_psu.edu>
Subject: Re: DeLorean insurance

I am 22, with a single speeding ticket that I got 3 years ago and no
accidents.  For me, daily driver insurance on a DeLorean would have
been $1450 a year (full coverage).  This was too much for me, not to
mention I only planned on driving my car 6 months out of the year, so
I got classic insurance from Condon & Skelly.  I got their full
coverage, and to be able to drive my car 3000 miles a year costs me
$235/yr.  A much better deal in my opinion.  

Matt
#1604
--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "deloreanforbart"
<deloreanforbart_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> how is an insurance for delorean ? 
> 
> is it expensive ? ... deloreans are insured as classic/collectors 
> cars ... but is it possible to get a normal everyday driver 
> insurance ? 
> 
> how much more are you guys paying than for a normal car ?




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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:07:01 -0500
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Will there ever be more upgrade paths from DMCH?

James,

I read your post regarding your working with Edelbrock. It sounds like a
good move, they have a great product line and if I may add a suggestion;
look at their mufflers. They flow better than Flowmaster and are a bit
smaller in size. They're also available in stainless, polished and not
polished. I used one when I was running my turbo set up and was very
satisfied. They sound powerful but without that slightly hollow sound
produced by the Flowmasters.

Best Regards,
Bruce Benson




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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:15:52 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Transmissions (was upgrade paths)

I've opened up and repaired several DMC manual transmissions now, and 
an convinced that the horsepower "weakness" is somewhat overstated. 
This is a pretty stout transmission, with a couple of weak points 
that don't seem to be related to horsepower. 

 - Clutch hydraulics - Failure to replace the plastic line with a 
braided one, and the resultant inability to completely disengage the 
clutch, eats the syncro/sliding gear. For some reason on the trans I 
had, it only "hurt" third gear. This is also what seems to break 
shift fork rollpin. A very common failure, a literally 30-cent part 
that is in the middle of the transmission. Change that clutch line!

 - The big nut on the mainshaft unscrews - This is a somewhat random 
occurrence. This is interesting to see, if you didn't know any better 
you'd swear that someone attacked the transmission with a 3/4 drill 
bit. I've seen a couple of these, the fix is to replace the nut, use 
locktite, and weld the hole in the case back up. It does not seem to 
actually damage anything (assuming you don't drive it around once it 
fails). This appears to be a factory defect - like they don't quite 
torque that nut (120 ft-lbs) all the way. I've never heard of this 
happening the second time.

 - The most interesting thing I've seen was the transmission out of 
Rich's Turbo GN-Buick-powered car. This one **seemed** to be 
destroyed - it suffered from the nut failure mentioned, AND had been 
installed in the car without the use of a pilot bearing (ouch). That 
destroyed the input shaft. When we drained the oil it looked 
horrible - full of metal shavings. But - once cleaned out, everything 
inside was fine, NO evidence of wear, NO other damage. The metal 
shavings were from the nut drilling its way out the back of the 
trans. Cleaned it up, replaced the input shaft and the nut, put it 
all back together. Repair cost was under $100 (not counting my free 
labor!). This is a 250+ HP car, and based on the clutch wear it had 
not had an easy life. Still an insanely fast car, by the way.

 - The wierdest failure is the one I'm working on right now. This 
otherwise stock car has eaten three input shafts (at the collar) in 
25K miles. No other issues. There had to be something wrong other 
than the input shaft, so we kept looking. The issue was that the 
factory (or a prior mechanic, no way to tell) had not installed the 
two alignment roll-pins in the bellhousing that mate it to the 
engine. The mis-alignment caused the input shaft coupling to wear 
tremendously. Based on the bolt fit to the bellhousing, the mis-
alignment could be as much as 1/16" inch. 

The only person I've heard of truly snapping input shafts is the guy 
who was at Memphis with the 350 Chevy engine in the car - and based 
on his driving style it was not completely surprising. I have to 
admit that it is impressive to see a DMC smoke the tires on dry 
pavement, however. That fact that he could do this more than once 
without breaking things was impressive too. 

Dave S


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_b...> wrote:

> Any plans to beef up the transmission to match the increased power 
of 
> these upgrade paths?  I know I'd be a bit worried about the torque 
a 
> nitrous system would be pushing through.
> 
> It's my understanding that the only real problem with the 
transmission and
> higher powered engines is the input shafts.  

> -andrew
>  #4115
>  Houston TX




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