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Date: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:08 AM

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Delorean Hovercraft on MG (final thoughts)
From: "dandan67" <dandan67_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Re: Some Thoughts
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

3. Re: Re: Transmissions (was upgrade paths)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

4. Re: Re: Transmissions (was upgrade paths)
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

5. Re: DeLorean insurance
From: "pdmytrewycz" <pauld_at_dml_pauld.net>

6. Re: Re: DMC's Plans
From: Thomas Mc Auley <mcauleydmc_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>

7. Re: Re: Transmissions (was upgrade paths)
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

8. Re: Transmissions (was upgrade paths)
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

9. Back In The Saddle
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

10. Re: Back In The Saddle
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

11. Re: Re: Back In The Saddle
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. Re: Back In The Saddle
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. Weird VINs in the doors
From: "Scott McMullan" <mcmullan_at_dml_netaxs.com>

14. Re: Failed emissions!!!
From: "Adam 16683" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:30:45 -0000
From: "dandan67" <dandan67_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Hovercraft on MG (final thoughts)

> they MUST have planned way in advance that
> it was to be crushed.

No, originally they were going to drop it from a helicopter over the 
Arizona desert.


> You don't just call the Navy and have them crush
> a car on short notice!

Apparently you can!

Dan




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:06:04 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: Some Thoughts

Although I agree with George and others that almost any Delorean
can be refurbished, I do not agree with a one or two car limit.
If there ever comes a point when the DMCNews cars for sale section
is empty and I cannot find a Delorean for sale on the internet or
in a local ad paper, I will gladly put my Deloreans for sale and
keep only one or two.  However, there will always be cars for sale
so I just don't buy the "spread the wealth" concept.  I believe 
Deloreans are better off in the hands of enthusiasts that someone
who just wants to add a unique car to a collection.  By the time my
collection goes to my nephews, they will only have one or two each.

And for those of us who have refurbished Deloreans, I would rather
have one or two running cars AND have one or two project cars that
are being refurbished, so using the "spread the wealth" idea, there
would be a few less owners on this list if it were not for my efforts
to refurbish Deloreans since I purchased my first used DMC in 1985.
After only refurbishing Deloreans, I decided to do things different.

People need to keep things in perspective.  There is no set of RULES
required for Delorean ownership or Delorean enthusiasm.  One event
should not cause someone to "loose respect" for people like Don Steger
or myself.  Rest assured, Don will not trash your car if you bring it
to his shop and I will not try to make a fleet of Hover Deloreans or
Delorean 4x4s by buying up all the inexpensive Deloreans out there.

As for "doing something positive for the Delorean community", this has
always been my intention, although not all agree with my methods.
Maybe the more conservative or purists in the community will approve
of one of my next ventures, to debut in the next GullWing Magazine.
This is an idea that has been in the works for several years and is
about to be begin with the help of others in the Delorean community.

I like to hear about ideas to do something positive for the Delorean
community, but most of it remains as just talk.  If you talk the talk
you should walk the walk.  Not all my efforts have been 100% positive
but at least give them a try and keep trying more and more things.

What do you think would have happened if the MG Delorean Hovercraft
had been a successful build?  Would your opinion have been different?

Later,
Rich W. 

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "George DeLorean" 
<phantomoftheopera_gk_at_dml_y...> wrote:
>
> snip <
>
>    And last, I don't understand one person, or two owning two, three 
> or more DMCs by themselves.  "Spread the wealth."  Let the DMCs 
> roll.  Give others a higher chance of owning one.  One DMC is plenty 
> for anybody.
>    All in all, restoration and rebuilding; in one way or another is 
> key to keeping the DMC available to everyone. 
> snip <
>




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:28:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: Re: Transmissions (was upgrade paths)

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, ProStreet67 wrote:

> what about using the Porsche G50 tranny out of the C2?  Limited slip 
> diff and 6 speed to boot.  Yes, modifications are needed, but a 

I seem to recall this has been done.  Transmission swaps are never easy
but IIRC this is easier than most as the size and shape is very similar.  
The G50 is solid, but the G50/50 (out of the 911 turbo) is indestructible 
(400+ hp).  Plenty of gear ratios available for either.

FWIW, I always say "shorter" and "taller" gears to prevent the confusion 
between mathematics-lower and automotive-lower ratios.




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:27:24 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Transmissions (was upgrade paths)

_I_ don't but my PRV guy does. Darren has his own concours Renault 30 
and has been active in the ROC for many years. I asked him abot this 
some time ago and he bascially said "of course they're all still 
available". He also pointed me to where you can buy a limited slip 
differential for our boxes.

We're working on him to get him to come to Pigeon Forge BTW

Martin

Dave Swingle wrote:

>Now that that is explained, do you really have a source for a lower 
>(higher numerical) ratio ring and pinion set that will fit this 
>transmission, in the reversed mode used in the DMC? (And yes, I 
>understand that the pinion gear is the entire countershaft too!). 
>
>Dave S.
>  
>





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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:23:47 -0000
From: "pdmytrewycz" <pauld_at_dml_pauld.net>
Subject: Re: DeLorean insurance

I don't have a D yet, but I did some research. I have Allstate. To
insure a Delorean with comparable full coverage ($500 deductable) to
my 98 VW Jetta it would add about $60 a month to my premium. That is,
of course, with the multiple policy discount and whatnot. I'm 27 with
no accidents (but one speeding ticket still on my record).

Paul D.




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:41:02 +0100 (BST)
From: Thomas Mc Auley <mcauleydmc_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: DMC's Plans

What were some of the revisions? Was the turbo one of them? And, will DMC Houston ever make a new De Lorean, as in their own car?

Thanks



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:50:23 -0500
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Transmissions (was upgrade paths)

 This may be pretty common knowledge among most of us so at the risk of
insulting everyone's intelligence I'll give an illustration of why higher
numbers are used for lower gears and lower numbers for higher gears. When
riding a bicycle that has more than one speed, lower gears require more
pedal revolutions per one revolution of the rear wheel. Higher gears require
less pedaling. With a final drive of 3.44:1, like the DeLorean's, it takes
3.44 revolutions of the pinion shaft to turn the rear wheels one revolution.
Now look at an off road 4x4 with 4.11:1 gears. It takes 4.11 revolutions of
the pinion shaft to turn the wheel one revolution. Just as with shifting the
bike down, it takes more input revs to turn the final drive output but it's
easier. Once your rolling you can shift up to lower engine RPM's and
maintain momentum. The DeLorean's 5th gear is actually less than 1:1, it
takes only  0.82 pinion turns to turn the final output ring gear once.
That's why it's called overdriven or overdrive. That's also why the stock
DeLorean will actually have a better top end in 4th gear than 5th. As the
engine revs and passes it's peak power range it becomes harder to turn the
rear wheels when the ratio is higher as in the DeLorean's case of less than
one to one.

Bruce Benson



> I don't know if it's an automotive thing or what, but yes, Higher
> Gear Ratios have Lower (smaller) Numbers. My assumption is that it
> has something do to with tranmission nomenclature - i.e. Low Gear is
> a bigger gear ratio (number) than high gear. Although Low Gear is
> also called First Gear and High Gear is called Fifth gear at least in
> our case). . Now I'm confused!
> Now that that is explained, do you really have a source for a lower
> (higher numerical) ratio ring and pinion set that will fit this
>
> Dave S.




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:23:32 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Transmissions (was upgrade paths)

Kind of hard to ring up the UK and ask for Darren....

So - where and for how much? You could do a land-office business 
selling 4:10 limited slip gearsets for this car. 

Dave

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_d...> 
wrote:
> _I_ don't but my PRV guy does. Darren has his own concours Renault 
30 
> and has been active in the ROC for many years. I asked him abot 
this 
> some time ago and he bascially said "of course they're all still 
> available". He also pointed me to where you can buy a limited slip 
> differential for our boxes.
> 

> Dave Swingle wrote:
> 
> >Now that that is explained, do you really have a source for a 
lower 
> >(higher numerical) ratio ring and pinion set that will fit this 
> >transmission, 




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:53:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Back In The Saddle

I just wanted to pass on the good news that I'm back in the DeLorean ownership saddle. I took posession of Bob Thomason's beautiful VIN 5252 this afternoon. It's certainly been a stressful month since my accident, but it's all ending well. As for my old VIN 10115, it's currently slated to go to a fellow list member. If he changes his mind, I will advertise the car to the group again.

Louie Golden
VIN 5252 Charlotte, NC

PS- Thanks Mom!!! :-)

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:11:31 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Back In The Saddle

Excellent...

That's pretty cool - you're about the only one out there where I can 
say I've worked on BOTH your cars.....

Dave S

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> I just wanted to pass on the good news that I'm back in the 
DeLorean ownership saddle. I took posession of Bob Thomason's 
beautiful VIN 5252 this afternoon. ..
> 
> Louie Golden
> VIN 5252 Charlotte, NC
> 
> PS- Thanks Mom!!! :-)




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:13:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Back In The Saddle

Your welcome to work on any of my cars...   :)

Anyone feel like doing a transmission swap?

--- Dave Swingle <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com> wrote:
> Excellent...
> 
> That's pretty cool - you're about the only one out
> there where I can 
> say I've worked on BOTH your cars.....
> 
> Dave S
>

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:46:06 -0000
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Back In The Saddle

Very happy to hear that you got your wings back....Good luck!




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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:13:55 -0400
From: "Scott McMullan" <mcmullan_at_dml_netaxs.com>
Subject: Weird VINs in the doors


At the the fall tour, I decided to pull off my headliners and take a peek at
whatever might be hiding back there.  I was expecting to find my VIN number
and a key code.  I found a couple of weird things I didn't expect.

My VIN is 17094, manufactured Aug 82.

On the left door, I saw "V12159" along with a key code, as well as the
initials "RJC" a date of "9.30" and the number "17".  This didn't confuse me
too much -- it sounds like it must have been replaced at some point... but I
would be interested in hearing if anyone out there knows what happened to
12159.

On the right door, I saw "V12094" and a different key code, and a date of
"8.25" but there were also some other interesting things, a signature from
"Metal Mikey Z.", and another date "25.3.82 OK RB + KS"  -- this was kind of
cool... but what really makes me scratch my head is the VIN 12094, which is
too similar to my actual VIN 17094 to be a coincidence.  Was there maybe a
batch of VINs in the 12xxx series that was reassigned to 17xxx for sale in
Canada (mine's a Canadian model)?  Can someone else with a 17xxx VIN peek at
their doors and see if they see something similar?  Maybe my left door
actually came from VIN 17259?  If you think maybe I just misread the
writing, take a look for yourself:
http://www.sixgeeks.org/~scott/DeLorean/rh.jpg

Certainly not urgent, but if anyone has any info that can shed some light on
this I'd love to hear it.
Thanks!
--Scott




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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:17:19 -0000
From: "Adam 16683" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Failed emissions!!!

Thanks Andy and Harold. I think you are right that I may not have 
adjusted the mixture how I thought I did. I am going to do what Andy 
said and get me a dwell meter!

Thanks for the help!
Adam Price


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/21/2003 7:33:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
acprice1_at_dml_h... writes:
> 
> > My car failed emissions for THC and CO. It passed for NOx.  
> > 
>> 
> Now that i finally understand the dwell meter use, let me try to 
help you.
..> good luck - it took me 3 years and i'm only now getting my idle 
straightened out the way it should be.  but it's worth it to know 
everything is working AOK.
> 
> Andy




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