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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1726
Date: Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:33 AM

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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Mid-Atlantic Fall Foliage Tour Web Page is done
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Re: at long last....
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

3. Re: 6x8 speakers in rear
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

4. RE: need advice for speaker replacement
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

5. Re: Delorean Hovercraft on MG (destruction)
From: "dandan67" <dandan67_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. Re: Time Machine for sale in Dallas?
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>

7. Engine, Volvo 260 or 760
From: "ablemanse" <s.ableman_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

8. Delorean Ownership
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>

9. Re: Engine, Volvo 260 or 760
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

10. Re: Overheating at idle
From: "Damien Falato" <dantegiovanni_at_dml_msn.com>

11. Re: 6x8 speakers in rear
From: "Louie" <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

12. Re: 6x8 speakers in rear
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

13. to all you lucky guys.
From: "barry donnachie" <barrydonnachie_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>

14. Re: Re: 6x8 speakers in rear
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

15. New member on here!
From: "Brian" <b_goodman_at_dml_yahoo.com>

16. Re: New member on here!
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>

17. Re: Engine, Volvo 260 or 760
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

18. Auto tranny pedal assembly/Porsche trans update
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

19. Hood compartment cleaning
From: "bluemax86" <massimot_at_dml_rushmore.com>

20. Installed El-Glo instrument cluster photos
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:44:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mid-Atlantic Fall Foliage Tour Web Page is done

As usual, Kevin has done an amazing job of publishing
this web page...  He even spelled my name right this
time!

--- Kevin Abato <delorean_at_dml_abato.net> wrote:
> I have finished the Fall Foliage tour web page from
> last weekend's trip
> to Wildwood NJ.
>  
> The page can be seen at:
>
http://www.deloreanmidatlantic.com/scrapbook/falltour4/index.htm



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:50:57 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: at long last....

Congrats.

Ain't nothing like a properly tuned engine, eh? Have been battling
myself over unrealized high compression spec. *NOW*, finally, car
drives like mammal from underworld (more or less). You can tune close,
but until 100% right car still flies with wings clipped.

ALL used cars, no matter the marque, have significant shakedown
period. Think some new owners give up too soon. That's what frustrates
me about Louie G's #10115 -- car was finally leaving lengthy shakedown
period when it met a Cadillac head on (remember: was other driver's
fault).

Now can move to cosmetic issues. That's my next destination.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> List,
> 
> i do believe it is time for celebration!
> i can finally feel good and know that i have a 100% perfect running
engine in 
> 11596. my final problem was excessive cranking when cold.  



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 05:03:15 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: 6x8 speakers in rear

Did you really mount 6x8's in the rear? Recently ordered 4x10's but
received 6x8's in error. Am debating whether to send back. Have been
told 6x8 won't fit (never opened trim panels so don't know myself).
6x8 does have better frequency specs than 4x10.

BTW for curious: 5x7/6x8 is dual mount for Ford conversions. 6x8 is
actual max outside dimension.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> The speakers are Pioneer. The fronts are Crutchfield # 130TS879 3 1/2
> 2 way and the rears are 130TSA5715 3-way 5x7 or 6x8. I don't know if
> these #'s are still good, I bought them in 97. The fronts (2) were
> $54.95 and the rears (2) were $99.95. Because of the crummy radio I
> think these speakers were a little over-the-top. Unless you upgrade
> the radio or add a power amplifier you could get by with something
> less expensive. As pointed out you must be careful on the front
> speakers. The origional installation is a flush-mount. If you get one
> where the tweeter cone projects you will have to figure out a way to
> mount it. When you call Crutchfield talk to them about your needs. I
> have found them to always be very informative and helpful. I have no
> personal interest in the company but I am a satisfied customer. You
> can find them at crutchfield.com or 800-388-2911
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...>
wrote:
> > Go to crutchfield.com and look at the Pioneer speakers. When I get
> > home tonite I can give you the exact model # of the ones I put in. The
> > back ones are not easy only because removing the panels is hard.
> > Replacing them willl improve the sound but you can't expect a whole
> > lot because the radio is not all that great, it has a very low power
> > output. The origional speakers were cheap cr-p and now being 20 years
> > old the cones have stiffened up so they sound even worse. Any
> >




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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:13:26 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: need advice for speaker replacement

I am writing an article for Delorean Car Show Magazine on how I did
this.  The next issue is going to be published soon, so you might want
to check it out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Itzel [mailto:eric_at_dml_seviernet.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM
To: DMCNEWS
Subject: [DML] need advice for speaker replacement


Hey everybody
 
I'm looking into replacing my speakers, both front and rear, for better



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:17:52 -0000
From: "dandan67" <dandan67_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Hovercraft on MG (destruction)

> As Dan knows, the Delorean Hovercraft was still intact two months
> after the build and less than two weeks before the episode aired.

I just want to make this clear: as I circled around the team's effort 
there in the back of the Garage, I was overwhelmed. You really have 
to be ON Monster Garage to appreciate all of the stress, 
inconvenience, strange teammate interactions and FRUSTRATION that 
occurs on set. There is no time to find that .25" spade lug, flared 
fitting, 0.875" dia. drill rod, or whatever - you have to "make do" 
with the tools (and people) at hand. Oh, and there is a budget and a 
five day limit.

Monster Garage is the ultimate experiment in mechanical improvisation.

So, that being said: I want everyone to understand that the builders 
on the ep are STARS independent of their final achievement. Success 
on this show is often measured in hours; and sometimes, in the 
clarity of thought that a good night sleep can provide.

I was the engineer on Monster Garage episode #10, the hot air balloon 
(where we spent about $26,000!) And I am proud to stand with my pals 
in this episode, based simply upon their effort.

Rock on!

Dan Danknick
dan_at_dml_teamdelta.com




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:41:15 -0400
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>
Subject: Re: Time Machine for sale in Dallas?

On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 11:28:51PM -0000, videobob11 wrote:
> If you can make this auction, here is the chance to get a replica time
> machine.
> I would not have mentioned this if I thought I could afford it!
> But I thought some of you would get a trip out of this:
> 
> http://www.kruseinternational.com/auctions/detail.asp?CONSIGN=S460&LOT_BEGIN=*&L\
> OT_END=1000&AUC_CODE=dallfall03&AUC_BREAD=Dallas%202003&SEARCH_NAME=Complete%20L\
> ist&PAGE=3

Random internet trivia. If you go to http://tinyurl.com/, you can paste
really long urls into a webform they have, and they'll generate a much
shorter one for you. Helpful for things like posts to mailing lists /
email, especially for those of us who don't use html-aware email
clients. =)

The above URL converted by tinyurl.com is:

http://tinyurl.com/sbk6

Of course, they don't keep a permenant archive of those links, so if you
want to ensure that a given link is correct in the DML archives, I'd
suggest posting both the full-length and the tinyurl versions.

--noah
#2867



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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:41:40 -0000
From: "ablemanse" <s.ableman_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Engine, Volvo 260 or 760

List,
   Is the engine in the DMC closer to the one in the Volvo 260 or 760. 
What is the difference between the 2 Volvo engines? I know the water 
pumps are different in the 260 vs. 760, but what else? Has anyone on 
the list tried the Volvo pump, if so which one?

Thanks, Steve




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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:16:18 -0400
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>
Subject: Delorean Ownership

I have, in my hand, the title to #5096. I am now a delorean owner :)

Now, I just have to keep Walter away from the car, he had this evil 
scientist look on his face, complete with the laugh.

Samuel




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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:12:19 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Engine, Volvo 260 or 760

Top end of engine almost identical to a 760, internals all the same. 
Sump is almost the same as Renault 30 but deeper and ally. Pump, 
alternator, AC compressor, all ancilliaries basically are Renault30.

There are bits you can steal from both 260s and 760s, though more useful 
stuff would come from a 760

Martin

ablemanse wrote:

>List,
>   Is the engine in the DMC closer to the one in the Volvo 260 or 760. 
>What is the difference between the 2 Volvo engines? I know the water 
>pumps are different in the 260 vs. 760, but what else? Has anyone on 
>the list tried the Volvo pump, if so which one?
>
>Thanks, Steve
>
>  
>





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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:54:11 -0400
From: "Damien Falato" <dantegiovanni_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Overheating at idle

I had a similar but much more extreme variant of the problem you described.  Check to see if your alternator belt is slipping.  It sounds like your generating sufficient power at higher RPMs, but not at lower ones which may be slowly draining down your battery with the cooling fans running.

I had a belt spin free after allowing a new garage work on my car.  They claimed they'd worked on DMC electrical systems before, 3 within the last month.  Belt tore free, took a chunk out of one of the cooling hoses in the process (thankfully it didn't puncture, but it did need replacing).  Anyway, when the alternator stopped turning the power dropped right through the floor and the car overheated immediately.  Those cooling fans suck up an enormous amount of power, and can drain a battery pretty quick.  If you're running less amps than you're using at idle, it might be draining down your battery, then running the fans at less than necessary speed to cool the car.

Good luck finding out the problem.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:07:31 -0000
From: "Louie" <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: 6x8 speakers in rear

If either of you guys are interested, I've got a pair of the proper 
4x10's that I got for my birthday, but never got installed in #10115 
before her demise. #5252 has a fully upgraded sound system already, 
so if anyone wants these speakers, contact me off list and make me an 
offer. They're Pioneers by the way.

Louie Golden
VIN 5252 Charlotte, NC




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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:13:54 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: 6x8 speakers in rear

Yes. they do fit. You have to bend the brackets and "squeeze" but they
do fit. The bigger the better for speakers in the rear.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Did you really mount 6x8's in the rear? Recently ordered 4x10's but
> received 6x8's in error. Am debating whether to send back. Have been
> told 6x8 won't fit (never opened trim panels so don't know myself).
> 6x8 does have better frequency specs than 4x10.
> 
> BTW for curious: 5x7/6x8 is dual mount for Ford conversions. 6x8 is
> actual max outside dimension.
> 





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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:25:42 -0000
From: "barry donnachie" <barrydonnachie_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: to all you lucky guys.

Hi my names barry.been a member of cmcn for a while.but havent really 
posted anything..anyway to cut a long story short.im my 17 years of 
life.i have never seen a D up close.so i was wondering.if there are 
any DeLorean owners in scotland.all my attempts so far to trace 
someone has failed (well for scotland anyway)..just want to say thanx 
for keeping the dream alive guys.

sdfc
(scottish deloreans fan club)

barry




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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:47:04 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: 6x8 speakers in rear

I've posted a picture of my rear speaker setup at the floowing link. You 
can see the old holes on the mounting bracket - I drilled two additional 
holes allowing the bracket to be rotated around the lower hole, lifting 
the speaker off the wheel arch. These are 5" drivers from memory and the 
fit is still tight. Sound quality is still poor, even with the Dynamat 
(that's all the silver stuff), though I'm not sure if it's the result of 
the speaker not having an enclosure, or the Kenwood head unit. Note how 
I've had to mount the ring that would normally be used for the grill, 
just to space the cone away from the inside of the trim panel

http://www.delorean.co.uk/DSCN0519.JPG

Martin
#1458 (in the pic)
#4426 (has Kicker K410's, as yet untested)

David Teitelbaum wrote:

>Yes. they do fit. You have to bend the brackets and "squeeze" but they
>do fit. The bigger the better for speakers in the rear.
>David Teitelbaum
>vin 10757
>  
>





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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:32:21 -0000
From: "Brian" <b_goodman_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: New member on here!


Hello! I've recently gotten the idea of purchasing a DeLorean. This 
is my first step in learning about the DeLorean in hopes to gain 
knowledge to help my purchase. I want to know what I am getting into 
before I make the plunge. 

I must say that I am happy to see such a great interest of the 
DeLorean on here and a passion to keep the DeLorean dream alive. 





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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:28:50 -0400
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>
Subject: Re: New member on here!

Reading of the list is good and lots of reading on the sites is good. 
This list, however, usually pertains to issues people have, so dont view 
it as everyone having an issue with the car. It is easier to view it 
with possible issues or even start to notice the common issues.

Another useful thing, going to the delorean get togethers, or even 
getting to know local delorean owners.

Samuel

Brian wrote:

>Hello! I've recently gotten the idea of purchasing a DeLorean. This 
>is my first step in learning about the DeLorean in hopes to gain 
>knowledge to help my purchase. I want to know what I am getting into 
>before I make the plunge. 
>
>I must say that I am happy to see such a great interest of the 
>DeLorean on here and a passion to keep the DeLorean dream alive. 



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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:34:30 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Engine, Volvo 260 or 760

760 switched to B280 block in 1987. Major internal differences --
don't know if heads, valve train, etc unchanged from B28. Totally
different fuel delivery (L-Jetronic?)

Not all 260/760 series run PRV's either.

Have 2 xRef's I use at parts houses: 1980 260 and 1985 760. Covers B27
and B28. Can usually find something to fit.

DeLo specific parts of course easiest from vendors. And some xRef
items are cheaper from vendors too (injector seals/clips for example).

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Top end of engine almost identical to a 760, internals all the same. 
> Sump is almost the same as Renault 30 but deeper and ally. Pump, 
> alternator, AC compressor, all ancilliaries basically are Renault30.
> 
> There are bits you can steal from both 260s and 760s, though more
useful 
> stuff would come from a 760
> 
> Martin
> 
> ablemanse wrote:
> 
> >List,
> >   Is the engine in the DMC closer to the one in the Volvo 260 or 760. 
> >What is the difference between the 2 Volvo engines? I know the water 
> >pumps are different in the 260 vs. 760, but what else? Has anyone on 
> >the list tried the Volvo pump, if so which one?
> >
> >Thanks, Steve
> >
> >  
> >




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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:04:56 -0500
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Auto tranny pedal assembly/Porsche trans update

Welp, all the Porsche parts have arrived except the clutch assembly and that
should be here next week (hopefully)  My thinking is that I can knock this
swap out in a weekend once all the parts are here, so next weekend the swap
should start and be complete.  All that's sitting in the car now is the
Chevy engine and the standard pedal assembly.  If anyone needs a auto tranny
pedal assembly (don't know why anyone would but) here is mine for sale:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2439534273


Thanks,

Duke




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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:57:37 -0000
From: "bluemax86" <massimot_at_dml_rushmore.com>
Subject: Hood compartment cleaning

Hi All,

I was swapping out my hood with a spare that I had when I decided it
was a good opportunity to clean the black fiberglass interior of the
"trunk". Anyway the finish of the majority of the black is very dull
and slightly rough but I noticed that in some spots it was smooth and
shiny, so I decided to get my dremel out, with a soft steel brush tip,
and try to buff a corner to see what would happen. Well the dull black
stuff comes off to reveal a shiny a smooth finish.

So my question is - what is the finish supposed to look like, is the
dull black just 20 years of grime or is it supposed to be like that?

Thanks
Max




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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:57:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>
Subject: Installed El-Glo instrument cluster photos

I've finally gotten the El-Glo electroluminscent instrument cluster from 
Ryan Gould (http://www.deloreanautomotive.com/) installed, and I took a 
bunch of photos, several of which almost look decent.

I opted for the Eurostyle font, reverse El-Glo (i.e. dark background, lit 
lettering), White "Cobalt blue" font (which glows a nice, deep blue 
similar to the newer VW instrument clusters).  Note that this isn't the 
same color as the normal white color, which glows a much lighter blue.  We 
originally had a mixup over this, and Ryan was very helpful about getting 
things sorted out.  I can't say enough good things about him.

While Ryan's kits include red 194 bulbs to replace the regular instrument 
cluster bulbs, I really want lit needles, so my plan was to replace the 
instrument cluster bulbs with UV LEDs and to paint the needles on the 
gauges with a UV-reactive paint.  I tried this out, and found that the UV 
LEDs, from the distance and orientation they're in in relation to the 
gauge faces, didn't cause the needles to fluoresce one bit, so I've 
shelved this idea at least temporarily.  I may try a cold cathode tube 
later, which will produce a lot more UV, or I may even try butchering the 
cluster from a car with real lit needles and kludging them into the DMC 
cluster somehow.  I haven't given up yet!

Anyway, I took a bunch of pictures of the failed UV painting procedure and 
the finished product (alas, with Ryan's provided red bulbs), and it really 
looks great.  The pictures are up at:

http://artifact.psychedelic.net/~aos/photos/?album=dmc-ElGlo

The finished product looks better than I expected, and I'm really pleased.  
I'm going to keep working on real lit needles, but I know I won't be 
disappointed with this in the meantime.

If any of you are on the fence about doing this project, I really 
recommend it.  It's given my car a whole new look at night.

-andrew
 #4115
 Houston TX



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