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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1732
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:33 AM

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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: Clusters
From: Andrew <>

2. Re: what an outrage!!!
From: "David Teitelbaum" <>

3. Re: sticking throttle and locks

4. Re: For Sale: The Best DeLorean in the World, Ever
From: Martin Gutkowski <>

5. RE: sticking throttle and locks
From: "Scott Mueller" <>

6. Re: Seat Leather Installation

7. Re: sticking throttle and locks
From: "supermattthehero" <>

8. Miles Per Gallon and Trip Computer

9. Re: For Sale: The Best DeLorean in the World, Ever
From: Marc Levy <>

10. Ken's Parts Car Inventory
From: Josh Haldeman <>

11. Re: Seat Leather Installation

12. Re: Suspension Options for the DeLorean

13. Re: Digest Number 1730

14. Re: Erratic

15. Re: Suspension Options for the DeLorean
From: "d_rex_2002" <>

16. Re: Garages, Storage, and Spiders
From: "cruznmd" <>

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:35:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Andrew <>
Subject: Re: Re: Clusters

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, M. P. Olans wrote:

>      How can you check your analog gauges without looking away from the
> road?  You said, "People prefer to be able to tell things like engine
> speed and vehicle speed to a first approximation without having to look
> away from the road.  Digital gauges make this pretty difficult."

You quoted me.  I said, "to a first approximation."  Easily done with 
peripheral vision.

> Why not take out a DeLorean with a digital gauge package and try it for
> yourself before putting them down with inaccurate comments?

Chill out, Matthew.  You're taking this very personally.  I said nothing
to malign the digital display.  I merely said that most people prefer
analog displays because they find them easier to read without taking their
concentration off the road.  This is not my opinion.  This is the general 
consensus of car buyers, and has been for a long time.  Your mileage may 
vary.  If you like digital gauges, that's great.  I'm glad for anything 
that makes you happy with your car.

> I read your post a few times wondering where you got your information
> before I realized it was just an opinion-and an unfounded one at that
> since you've not driven my car.

Your car isn't the only car in the world with a digital cluster.  I've
driven an '80s Vette, an '80s Suburu GL10 wagon, and several newer GM
products, all with digital gauges, and my preference is for analog.  This
is not an "unfounded opinion."

> I agree, digital is not the way to go for everyone, but it's personal
> preference that counts.

No argument here.



Message: 2
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:48:03 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <>
Subject: Re: what an outrage!!!

The Delorean made another list this past week. In the New York Times
on Wednesday in the car section they had a top ten list of cars in
movies. Yes, the Delorean was favorable mentioned. The news isn't
always bad and it keeps it in the public's mind under favorable
conditions. BTW the Delorean IS overweight by their own (DMC's)
admissions, they had to use a fiberglass underbody instead of the ERM
process which was not ready for production. The car was also
underpowered as evidenced by the attempts with Legend Industries to
improve the power output of the PRV-6. You can't really argue with the
underdeveloped argument either, the car was only in production for 2
years with no earlier model to base on. Just imagine what the Delorean
could have become in a couple of more years! It was already a great
car, certainly not like a Bricklin, which was also a very limited
production with no earlier model to base on.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 

--- In, "Brian" <b_goodman_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> I would agree that the Delorean should NOT be on that list. The list 
> stating that the car is overweight, under developed, and over 
> complicated baffles me. 


Message: 3
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:59:21 EST
Subject: Re: sticking throttle and locks

Hey Louie,
     I have the same problem with my locks.   Apparently they are slightly 
"burned" due to the faultly factory door lock module.   This is why they work 
sometimes and not all times (they stopped working completely for me) This winter 
I plan on re-wraping them with the help of the how-to on


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:18:23 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <>
Subject: Re: For Sale: The Best DeLorean in the World, Ever

This one effectively has Zero miles on it, a galvanized and powder 
coated chassis with a 100 year guarantee, all accepted upgrades 
(stainless clutch  line, stainless brake hoses, Toby tabs, DMCH tank 
sender, Bodywork detailed by Chris Nicholson - the list is endless). 
EVERYTHING has been refurbished or replaced. The owner's aim was to 
create a brand new DeLorean from scratch, fixing as many of the original 
shortcomings as he could while he went along.


John Hervey wrote:

>Martin, How would it stack up to a brand new Delorean still on the show room
>floor with less than 200 miles that has never been titled. $65,000.00.


Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:20:13 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <>
Subject: RE: sticking throttle and locks

Try lubricating the throttle linkage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Louie Golden [] 
Subject: [DML] sticking throttle and locks

Hey group,

My new DeLorean has some things that are aggrevating me. First is the
throttle will stick at about 1400 rpm's after it's been driven.


Message: 6
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:20:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Seat Leather Installation

In a message dated 10/27/2003 8:07:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes:

> I need some help in replacing my seat covers. 
> Tom
> #05732


i had a local interior restoration shop install mine.  it was more convenient because they were able to properly bolster the padding where it was lacking or worn, as well as blast, paint, and lube my seat rails and other metal parts.  plus they had the know-how to make it look professional.  they even reinforced the seat backs so they won't pop out.  it cost about $250 - well worth it in my opinion.



Message: 7
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:27:23 -0000
From: "supermattthehero" <>
Subject: Re: sticking throttle and locks

I had this problem with my locks and it turned out that I needed to
adjust the link rods.  It's a real pain to take the door apart and do
it, but it will work afterwards.  


--- In, Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Hey group,
> Secondly, my locks don't always unlock together like they should.
The car has a Lockzilla... what should I do? Thanks everyone in advance!


Message: 8
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:23:40 EST
Subject: Miles Per Gallon and Trip Computer

That question was asked my me,   Dave and 6530.  I have ben working on a 
driving computer for my Delorean.  It started out to be a project built around an 
HP Jornada 680 handheld computer with a 1/2 vga screen and the Dataq DI-194RS 
data acquisition kit.  I actually got the two interfaced and was able to 
display the cars battery voltage on the screen.  The problem, it seems was that the 
680 was too slow.  I have since shelved the idea untill I can afford to buy a 
7" vga LCD monitor which I will connect to a mini-ITX computer.  Since it 
will be programmed in Visual Basic as oppossed to VB for WindowsCE, the operating 
system for the 680, I think it will be much easier.  The least expensive vga 
monitor for the car was about $450.  It seems that now there are ones on Ebay 
for $240 so my interest has peaked again.  Distance, and thus speed data was 
to be obtained from 10 magnets attached to the inner hub of the transmission 
and a magnetic sensor attached to the transmission itself.  The big problem was 
measuring fuel flow.  I still haven't figured out a real reasonable (meaning 
inexpensive) was to do it.  I haven't seen last months Nuts and Volts so I 
don't know if anyone came up with any new ideas.  If anyone else is interested in 
this project please contact me.  doctorDHD(AT)

Message: 10
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:33:28 -0600
From: Robert Brandys <>
Subject: Re: Mileage

Last month's issue of Nuts and Volts magazine had an article about 
putting a mile per gallon gauge into a Delorean.  The article covered 
about 2/3 of a page.  The question was posed by a Delorean owner.  

My question is who asked the question?


Thank you,


ps Please take a look at my invention at and let me know 
what you think.


Message: 9
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:25:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Marc Levy <>
Subject: Re: For Sale: The Best DeLorean in the World, Ever

Everything is worth what someone is willing to pay for

--- john fredt <> wrote:
> I dont buy it.No Delorean is worth 60k I dont care
> if its made out of platinum.

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:47:34 -0500
From: Josh Haldeman <>
Subject: Ken's Parts Car Inventory


This has been a long time coming, and I wanted to make sure I included 
everyone who might be interested in seeing this.  I've finally assembled 
an inventory from Ken's DeLorean parts car, VIN 5609.  It is current as 
of today, and includes everything we have left from the parts car.  

You can view this document by logging in, and going to the files section 
of the dmcnews page, 
( and double clicking 
on the "Ken's Parts Car" folder, about half way down.  This is a 
Microsoft Word document, so it should be fairly easy to read...but let 
me know if you have trouble opening it.

Prices "as new" are listed on the far right of this document, where 
available, and our prices are listed right next to that.  If the "our 
price" field is blank, that means we are asking half of what the "new" 
price is.  Otherwsie, the price is as listed. (Ken, you have to pay 
double, lol)

Take a second to look...see if there's anything you need, and I'll do my 
best to fill your orders as fast as I can.

Thanks for your time and attention,
Josh Haldeman
VIN 5102
VIN 15964
Guarding the last of VIN 5609


Message: 11
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:27:47 EST
Subject: Re: Seat Leather Installation

In a message dated 10/28/03 5:12:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes:

> I need some help in replacing my seat covers.  

I have that job to do too. Here's the directions I got- but haven't used yet:

The seats have to be completely removed from the car to change the covers.  
The runners have to be removed along with pretty much everything else.  The 
back rest 
and the base can also be separated to make life a little easier. To remove 
the seat back panels you have to undo the two lower screws and rotate the panel 
clockwise while slightly bowing the panel in the center with a hand inside, 
and it will come away.  It is a little awkward but you need to persevere!   

Remove the covers by cutting the metal hog rings with some side cutters 
or plier cutters. The center of the base cover is held in place by some 
small plastic rods going through some non return washers. Try to  ease 
the plastic rods back through these with a small flat screwdriver tool 
a bit like re-using a cable tie when you have to ease the plastic back 
to let it through. These are delorean-specific items and need to be re- used. 

Dont worry if they break as one or two may. A piece of string cord can be 
used to achieve the same result. Getting the headrests over is always 
a drama but persist and have someone close at hand to squash the 
foam down to reduce some of the tension on the covers while you try 
to ease the covers on. You also need to buy or make a hog ring tool. Use a 
pair of old pliers and grind a notch into the surface of each jaw so that a 
single hog ring 
can be held between these notches. I am sure it sounds complicated, it is 
complicated to try and explain without being there (!) but everything is pretty 
self explanatory once you get going.  

Hope that helps (you and me both!)

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:54:49 EST
Subject: Re: Suspension Options for the DeLorean

Dear, list,

   Hello. I am not sure about this because I sent them e-mail, and they never 
answer me. We might have other option....carrera shocks.

   I found Carrera shocks from the old DML. and I checked their webpage.
They have shock Absorbers for Delorean on their Street Performance catalog 
page 6.

According from the catalog, this shock is 3 position adjustable. We may be 
order them
custom setup for each people needs. For example, aluminum shock body, harder 
damping or longer stroke if we pay more than their Street Performance shocks.

  If there anyone in the list use Carrera shocks, please tell me how do you 
think of
Their shocks. I personally use PJ Grady Performance shock Absorbers (I guess 
it is made from bilstein???) and  DMC Original Springs. I like this setup 
because better handling than Original setup. plus I have been using this set for 2 
years and I dont have any problem so far. 


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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:23:55 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1730


I sell complete sets of silicon-waterhoses for the DeLorean. 

Hose-set with 108676 and 108675 is $120 + shipping ,

complete set (all waterhoses) is $220 +shipping

I'm out of stock now,  new sets available end of this year.


> Message: 3
>    Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:33:58 -0000
>    From: "ablemanse" <>
> Subject: plumbing
>    Due to a fire, I have to replace most of the engine
> compartment 
> plumbing. A/C, water, vacuum and fuel lines. I need  drawings or 
> schematics. Do any of the venders sell the plumbing schematics? 
> Because the tubing was distroyed, I can not trace where everything 
> came from or went. With burnt wiring you can figure it out, but not 
> with rubber. I've emailed a "D" vender that says some items are
> in silicon. The more silicone the better. What all is avail? 
>    When I'm done , Ill tell the whole story. 
> Thanks, Steve


Message: 14
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:22:37 GMT+01:00
Subject: Re: Erratic

Hi all

  I am experiencing a problem with erratic idle/engine speed,the problem stops if the frequency valve is unplugged.The car thens appears to run a bit rich but has a steady idle.
If I reconnect the frequency valve everything is perfect for usually 1/2 hr to 1hr before the problems start and it starts increasing/decreasing.
Has anyone got any ideas to point me in the right direction??



    Just received photos,newspaper articles regarding the purchasing/painting of my car from its first owner in Belfast who bought it at the Culloden auction,its amazing what you can do with 118000!!

talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at


Message: 15
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:52:22 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <>
Subject: Re: Suspension Options for the DeLorean


Mid-State Delorean club (Marty Maier) also sells an excellent set
of progressive rate springs that have been run with the Mid-State
shock setup by several members here on the DML.  I personally have
a custom version of this setup on my Grand National powered DMC,
and although I have limited mileage on this car since the Spring,
I have noticed a major improvement over the previous setup.

The Mid-State progressive rate springs have been sold in limited
quantities, but are available if you are serious about purchasing
a set.  Just contact Marty Maier via the email link on the website
for the Mid-State club and you will be added to the list.  Marty
usually has small runs of these spring sets made, so he may have
an extra set ready to ship or you may need to wait for a run.

In my opinion, they are worth the wait.

Rich W.

--- In, "captain_hydrogen" 
<captainhydrogen_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> I am exploring various Suspension Options for the DeLorean.  I am 
not interested in chop and swap methods or cutting coils, so I have 
> compiled a list of readily available suspension options and possible 
> combinations for this car:

> I am also interested in other owner observations, speculations, 
> pros/cons, warnings, known issues, and benefits regarding various 
> DeLorean suspension options.  I am open to any and all suggestions.
> Thank you,
> Ben Ferguson


Message: 16
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:48:05 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <>
Subject: Re: Garages, Storage, and Spiders

#5335 was stored outside for 3-5 years before I bought it. I suspsect 
it was not kept under a cover even though one was on it when I drove 
up to inspect it. I think the crazy lady who sold it to me did that 
to hide imperfections or trick me into thinking it was well cared for.

She had a nicely restored '66 Mustang and a broken down, messed up 
DeLorean in her driveway. Which one do you think she had the cover on?

Anyway, the first 10 months of work on my D was a constant nightmare 
of black widows, brown recluses, webs and egg sacks. I spent a LOT of 
time underneath installing the gas tank, replacing the engine main 
seal (pulling the tranny) and the like. Gave me the friggin' 

They built nests and crawled back in as quickly as I could evict 
them. It was so bad, I was sure I wouldn't be able to drive my car 
out of the parking spot when I -did- get it running because it would 
be anchored to the ground by all the webs!

For me, the only thing that keeps the little SOB's out is to DRIVE 
the car, and occasionally blast the undercarriage with a high 
pressure hose.


> --- In, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> 
> <SNIP>
> > I read some time ago about a guy that bought a "barn fresh" project. He took it home and in a short time his house was so infested (I guess it was an attached garage) with spiders that he had to call an exterminater. Spider 
bites can hurt.


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