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Date: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:26 AM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: Re: Ignition system failure = faulty coil
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

2. Re: Dealing with Valeo.
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

3. RE: Miles Per Gallon and Trip Computer
From: Pete Berveiler <zamphyr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>

4. RE: MPG / Trip Computer - inexpensive solution
From: "Jeff" <webmaster_at_dml_88-mph.com>

5. DeLorean Car Show Magazine issue 3
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

6. 4984 hits the road at last
From: "funkstuf" <funkstuf_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. Re: Delorean Information and Assistance
From: "IM2WITTY" <im2witty_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. Long Island this weekend
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com

9. Interiro Question
From: steve trimble <stevetrimble52_at_dml_yahoo.com>

10. Re: A/C power drain
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

11. RE: Newbe here, Canadian cars for sale?
From: "Michael Fischer" <Michael.Fischer_at_dml_dittybase.com>

12. Re: Interiro Question
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com

13. New SS Illusions arrived
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>

14. AW: Re: Ignition system failure = faulty coil
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>

15. Re: Ignition system failure = faulty coil
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

16. Re: Parts missing/removed from my car at Jag Shop
From: "Albert Siegel" <siegel_at_dml_technologist.com>

17. Re: Interiro Question
From: Jonas Pitchford <Delorean3543_at_dml_yahoo.com>

18. Stainless Steel Illusion Update
From: "James" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

19. Re: High Voltage Coils (Pertronix)
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

20. Re: A/C power drain
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

21. Fiero Delorean Kit?
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

22. Re: Parts missing/removed from my car at Jag Shop
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

23. Re: angle-drive
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>

24. Re: Fiero Delorean Kit?
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>

25. Re: HEI vs low voltage ignition
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:51:26 -0800
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Ignition system failure = faulty coil

Robert & Group,
I don't claim to be an expert on coils. But I did do a little homework in
talking with the MSD people about resistance for their applications and
ours. After talking to Rich about his Accel coil, I have learned that the
lower resistance in the MSD coil and controlled by their #6 box would most
likely prevent it from burning up so soon. But, Take their coil (
Blaster )and run a straight 12 to 14 volts to it and with a .7 ohm coil it
would tend not to last as long But would deliver the 45,000 volts for a
while. They were not designed for the Delorean but for more of a performance
or racing application and using their box. In that case a $30.00 coil would
be replaced as a throw away item and go on. But, In our application and
using a 1 ohm resistor in line with the .7 ohms gives it a total of 1.7 ohms
would be tolerable for the street for an extended period of time. It's rated
at 45,000 volts at 12 volts with a .7 ohm coil.
If you don't mind sacrificing a few volts.
The Pertronix coil has a 1.5 ohm built in coil resistance built in and
without ours is rated at 40,000 volts. If you add our on board resistor at 1
ohm then you have a 2.5 ohm coil with again a high voltage. This is why the
Bosch coil is rated 25,000 volts with the 1.8 ohm resistor.
So my point is, There my be some small misunderstanding for the application
and the way they were designed for the market and how long do you need the
45,000 volts before you throw it away and buy another.
John Hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/delorean-parts-kits.html




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--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
<SNIP>
> I had bought a "new" Accel SuperStock coil. When I opened the box,
> the paint was a much lighter/worn out shade of yellow than I
> expected. It had small ding in the bottom and some scratches. I
> shrugged and put it in. I -should- have gone back to Pep Boys and
> asked them "What the hell is this?!"
<SNIP>



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:04:13 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with Valeo.

Marc

Actually I think that Centerforce has been the one doing custom 
clutch work. Did you try them? www.centerforce.com if I'm not 
mistaken. 

I used a local place in the Chicago area (South Holland) called Surge 
Clutch and Driveline. We had a GM flywheel modified to fit a stock 
DeLorean clutch. What really impressed me was that when I walked in 
with a stock DMC clutch the guy recognized it as such before I said 
anything. Very good to work with in person, not sure how they would 
be over long distance. No web presence though. 

Dave S

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "malevy_nj" <malevy_nj_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> I know a few of you (Darryl?) have dealt with valeo for custom 
clutch 
> setups on conversions.
> 
> Could someone send me a contact at Valeo who can help me with 
this?  
> I called the regular 888 number and spoke to someone who put me in 
> touch with an engineer.  Gave him my details, and he said he would 
> get back to me in a day or so.  that was over 2 weeks ago.
> 
> Thanks




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:09:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Pete Berveiler <zamphyr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Miles Per Gallon and Trip Computer

Thew new HP Ipaq's are very VERY powerfull... 400MHz
little processors, a ton of ram, etc.  If you can find
the GPS mount (direcct power from power
point/cigarette lighter) and change the data pin-outs,
it would do WONDERS....

The bluetooth wireless would work well also... hmmmmmm

oh ya.. stay clear of VB... like the man said


--- Michael Fischer <Michael.Fischer_at_dml_dittybase.com>
wrote:
>   Hey Doc,
> 
> 	Sounds like an interesting project,
> 
> 	You intend to have this installed right in your D,
> correct .. I'd be hesitant to go to a mini-ITX PC .. You'll
> have a number of issues with power supply etc.



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:33:27 -0500
From: "Jeff" <webmaster_at_dml_88-mph.com>
Subject: RE: MPG / Trip Computer - inexpensive solution

Easiest solution.

Reciept
Pen
Calculator

-Jeff Chabotte
Norwich, CT
Webmaster, http://www.88-mph.com
 




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:00:01 EST
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Car Show Magazine issue 3

Well we just got the last article in from the Fall Foliage tour and it should 
be ready tomorrow.

We had so many articles that we had to add more pages to get it all in.

I have had some e-mails asking when it will come out.

We plan to go to binding later next week so we should be mailing them within 
2 weeks.

for information on the magazine go to www.deloreancarshow.com

We can take pay pal just e-mail jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net and he will take it.

There are some legal stuff that keeps messing up the DeLorean Car Show 
getting favorable conditions on visa but we are working on that.

Thanks for the support and if you need to get a subscription you will get all 
three issues published to date together with issue 3 release.

Ken


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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:58:30 -0000
From: "funkstuf" <funkstuf_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: 4984 hits the road at last

Vin 4984 was placed back on the highway today!!
It has been off the road for several years.
I purchased this auto in April and have been working on it or having 
it worked on for 7 months.  I won't even enumerate everything that 
was done, but.. Nearly everything.  Mechanically everything was 
placed back as original, except the anti-freeze over flow tank.  We 
built a custom tank from an exhaust pipe.
Today, I drove it about 70 miles on the highway and freeway and in 
city.  The engine ran flawlessly.  
Handled nice, but with 24,000 miles and 22 years on them, I still 
plan on replacing the NCTs.  In addition, I plan on lowering the 
front end.
I've selected Cooper Cobras from various advice for my tire 
replacement. 
It has been suggested to me that I have my rims sandblasted and 
powder coated.. How does the powder coating compare to re-machining 
and polishing?

Thanks to all of you who gave me various pieces of advice over the 
last seven months.  You were all right.
Finally, I can say that I love my Delorean...... Yes, I do!
Dale Funk
Vin 4984





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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:35:35 -0000
From: "IM2WITTY" <im2witty_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Information and Assistance

I suggest you try "E-Bay."

Do not be afaid to contact the seller directly.  Many, many times 
sellers have been "stiffed" by the so called winning bidder.  

Some of these sellers are as "desparate" to sell as you are to buy 
AND they may make a deal with you.'

Happy hunting and good luck!

Peter  #6201






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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:28:04 EST
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Long Island this weekend

Is anyone in the Long Island/NY area interested in going to the LI MG Car 
Club Fall Foliage Tour this Sunday or the "Best Cars on LI" car show at Belmont 
Racetrack Sat or Sun?  Please let me know.

Dave & 6530


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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:10:27 -0800 (PST)
From: steve trimble <stevetrimble52_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Interiro Question

An interior finish question for some of the experts.
My interior has been re-upholstered in last few years
and for the most part it was done well, except for the
"t top" headliner. Is it not supposed to turn up on to
the door opening and go under the door seal? My does
not and it looks terrible. Also are the sun visors
normally kind of "droopy" or should they be flat and
crisp looking? I want this all replaced but I want it
right this time. Any thoughts or photo's would help. 
Thanks,
Steve T. 

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:20:40 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: A/C power drain

You can't run the A/C and not drive the car for long. At idle the
alternator isn't putting out enough and you are using up power from
the battery. If you do have an '82 then you shouldn't have the Ducey,
it is more likely the Motorola unless it has been changed. You could
make sure all the electrical connections are clean and tight, the belt
to the alternator is not loose, and the battery is still good (if it
is over 5 years old it is time to replace).
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "thebrave65" <johnnysher1_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> I recently looked at an '82 model and noticed that when I turned on 
> the A/C the power REALLY drained from the car.  I looked at the 
> alternator, and at first, I didn't see it until I spotted it mounted 
> almost under the car near the starter.
> 
> I don't know if it was a Ducey but I do know that I've not seen an 
> alternator mounted like that.  I'm guessing that it is a low amp alt 
> but I couldn't tell what brand it was.
> 
> Could the alternator be the problem?
> 
> Johnny




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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:20:59 -0700
From: "Michael Fischer" <Michael.Fischer_at_dml_dittybase.com>
Subject: RE: Newbe here, Canadian cars for sale?

Hi Trevor,

	Well, as you know, Canada is pretty big,  so where abouts are
you? (i.e. besides the east coast?)

	I bought my D a number of years ago from a fellow in Winnepeg
MB, I'm currently in Calgary AB, after a stint on the west coast in
Victoria BC (Now there's the place to own a D, no snow, can drive all
year round and nice twisty roads, though the last big car show I went to
in Calgary, we had 2 D's, 1 Bricklin and on 1955 Mercedes Gullwing, all
parked together .. THAT'S a site!)

	Anyway, there have been several advertised in the Auto Trader
(Old/Collector car edition), there's currently a beautiful one (83
Canadian Edition) for sale in Edmonton, but it's concurs quality and the
price reflects that;  there was also one for sale in Regina SK, an 1981,
and a number in the Toronto area.... I'd highly recommended the Old Car
Trader publication (or Auto Hebo in Quebec)  it's basically Canada's
version of Hemmings motor news.

	I would budget some of your $$ towards a few trips to see some
D's, before you buy.

Mike
#17106




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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:44:08 EST
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Interiro Question

Steve,

    You are right, the t-panel headliner is supposed to be tucked underneath 
the door seals. Just make sure it doesn't protrude past the seals into the 
door openings or you will get leaks. Also, the sunvisors are supposed to be crisp 
and straight. Droopy is definately bad. It shouldn't take much to fix either 
of those problems, best of luck.

John Weaver
ETDOC 
RED DMC #10527


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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:14:46 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>
Subject: New SS Illusions arrived

I just received my SS Illusions 2nd edition today.
 
It looks good.
 
Scott Mueller
002981
RNDOLA


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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:20:39 +0100
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
Subject: AW: Re: Ignition system failure = faulty coil


I still don't get you guys with that high voltage stuff.
Tha max-voltage on the plugs depends of the gap (and the mixture).
As soon as the current is flowing the voltage breaks down. If you
wanna use the higher voltage you have to widen the gap and replace
the wires. But will there be a difference ? I really doubt.
Oh yes, there will be if the wires won't isolate good enough, looks
funnyin the motor compartment with all the flashing lights...

The lower restistance will lead to a more energy stored in the coil in the
same time. You could run with higher rpm, but is it worth it to rev higher
than 6500rpm ??

Stay away from that cheap crap stuff, stay with BOSCH and the car will run.

My 2 cents, and my book about car electrics and stuff proves me right....

Elvis & 6548




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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:37:04 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Ignition system failure = faulty coil

IMHO there is very little if any performance to be gained by using a
"high performence" coil. If you have a set of properly gapped spark
plugs the stock ignition system is more than adequate. By using a
different coil you run the risk of frying the ECU. Bad enough that you
may have too much resistance in the circuit to take full advantage of
the "high performance" coil, if the combined resistance of the coil
and the ballast resistors is too low you can damage the ECU. By upping
the secondary voltage you also risk breaking down the stock ignition
wires, they weren't supposed to carry such high voltages. So now you
have worn spark plugs, old wires, a coil putting out about 2X the
stock voltage, guess what happens? The engine package is a SYSTEM. You
are not going to make any drastic improvements by changing one thing.
If it was that easy the factory would have done it! In many instances
where improvement was noticed the old, stock part was probably not
working right so any change would have been an improvement. In the
case of an ignition coil I would do a tune-up first. You will get more
"bang for the buck" in the long run keeping the car in tune than
putting expensive non-stock parts in. BTW when asking for help it is
always useful if you mention that you are running non-stock parts.
Then the first bit of advice would be to return to stock and see if
the problem goes away. In the case of ignition coils the installation
instructions usually mention changing the ballast resistors to fit the
new coil. Some coils ONLY work with the electronics that go with the
coil. When in doubt read the instructions or contact the manufacturer.
Oversaturating the coil with the wrong control will shorten the life
of the coil. Ignition coils are not a DC device. They are AC
transformers and voltage (especially the DC component) isn't the only
thing you have to measure.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757  




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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:16:36 -0500
From: "Albert Siegel" <siegel_at_dml_technologist.com>
Subject: Re: Parts missing/removed from my car at Jag Shop

Hello everyone.  This is an update to my situation.  I have attempted to contact the Jagshop to see if matters could be settled in an adult manor, but I was insulted and hung up on twice.  I was also told that I was going to be sued for slander if I attempted to pursue this.  I find this comical for someone to threaten to sue for slander when everything said was true.  

Anyway, four of you have been kind enough to contact me with similar situations.  I know there are more of you who have had very unpleasant dealings with the Jagshop and may have either been charged new prices for used parts or have had parts magically disappear.  Please contact me if you have had any negative experience with the Jagshop no matter how small it is.  I need and would appreciate all the help I can get from anyone.  My lawyer is ready to take this to court and sue the Jagshop.

Please feel free to contact me.  Best wishes, 

Albert Siegel 



----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert Siegel" <siegel_at_dml_technologist.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 11:34:24 -0500
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Parts missing/removed from my car at Jag Shop

> Hello everyone. I would like to speak with anyone who has had a bad experience with the Jag Shop in South Florida. My car was there for quite some time to have body work done after a car accident. No work was ever done. All that was given were excuses and promised dates. I finally got tired of waiting and picked up the car. I was stunned that not one ounce of work had been done. The car had sat outside the entire time. The interior was destroyed, the entire electrical system was missing, parts from the engine as well as miscellaneous body parts missing.  I was told the parts were in storage, they needed to be removed, they were thrown away and he is not responsable.  He could not give me the same answer twice. Apparently I was not alone. I did run into two other people who have had similar experiences with the Jag Shop. All three of us were given our cars back with tons of parts missing from them. I would like anyone who has had trouble with the Jag Shop to email me directl
 y. I am collecting as much information as I can for my lawyer. The three of us will sue Mr. David Wyne and go after his license. This man does not deserve to operate a repair shop. 
> 
> Albert Siegel 



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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:32:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonas Pitchford <Delorean3543_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Interiro Question

You are correct about the headliner, it should go under the door seal. I recovered mine myself and it looks great, its really not that hard, Just be sure who ever does it, does not let any of the material over lap into the water channel around the door. It will act like a wick and soak water into the car. I put a bead of black silicone around the edge just to be sure.
Jonas 3543



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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:39:24 -0000
From: "James" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Stainless Steel Illusion Update

As some may have already noticed, we shipped all the preorders for 
SSI on Wednesday - many people received them today. I am still out of 
the office, but received this word from our shipping manager. 

I will be passing through Houston on my way to the UK to help our new 
UK parts supplier and attend the NEC show next weekend in Birmingham, 
England. If anyone would like anything brought over, please send me a 
email at "james (at) delorean.com"- thank you!

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company




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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:40:54 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: High Voltage Coils (Pertronix)

Beg to differ: performance coils are NOT disposable. Actually perform
better at 12+ volts than usual 10. Pertronix's points conversion
specifically designed for old fashioned non-resistance ignition line.
Performance coils work just fine at lower input voltage, just don't
produce as much HT.

MSD gets a lot of press, but I prefer Pertronix. Have NEVER had a
single problem with their coils or points conversion. They make both
40,000 and 45,000 volt models, both filled with oil or epoxy. My DeLo
and 3 Lincolns run the lower voltage, converted '69 runs the higher.
(Still have one Lincoln stock).

Internal resistance of coil doesn't protect anything. Is just a
measure of coil efficiency. Original Pertronix indeed 1.5 ohm, but
Flame Thrower II just .6. I'm burning the later at full 12-14 volts
(Lincon, not DeLo) no problem.

Think MSD advised you to buy their module to CY their A. Mention
"DeLorean" to most people and they don't want to hear any more. If MSD
made a distributor to fit PRV am sure they would have recommended it too.

Perhaps we could do informal poll:
- My DeLo has logged 6,000 miles on a Pertronix 40,000 volt coil tied
to original ignition module.
- How many miles have others logged?

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> Robert & Group,
> I don't claim to be an expert on coils. But I did do a little
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:57:29 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: A/C power drain

Problem isn't compressor -- takes extremely little electricity to
engage clutch.

Problem is cooling fans and hot freon in condensor. Even then problem
isn't electrical (any more than endemic DeLo fan current draw), is
reduced engine cooling capacity.

On way home from Fall Foliage ran my A/C in I-95 traffic jam for
several hours no problem. Temp would flirt with 220, but that's still
within tolerances. Idle at that time (manually set) was 1,000 RPM,
since backed off to 900 (spec for my particular PRV). Used "normal"
A/C mode which allowed cooling fans to cycle with compressor.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> You can't run the A/C and not drive the car for long. At idle the
> alternator isn't putting out enough and you are using up power from
> the battery.



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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 01:21:19 -0000
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Fiero Delorean Kit?

A friend of mine said he had once seen a fiberglass kit car made to
rebody the Pontiac Fiero as a painted Delorean.
Has anyone ever heard of this?
Seen it?
Sounds goofy to me, but I would love to see one!
- VB




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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 04:02:58 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Parts missing/removed from my car at Jag Shop

I wouldn't be afraid of him telling you he would sue you for slander.
The best defense against that is the truth. If in fact you call a
thief a thief that is not slander, that is just a statement of fact.
Of course you may have to prove it. Finding others that had similar
problems will help show a pattern of behavior. I am sure you will be
properly advised by competant counsel. Have your lawyer send him a
nice letter stating your position and willingness to pursue the issue,
then let him sue the lawyer! He is just bluffing hoping to get rid of
you easily. A call to the Better Business Bereau may help you find
more "satisfied" customers. In New Jersey all shops are licensed.
Maybe contacting the agency that does that in the State they operate
in can get you more of the history of that shop. They may also
intercede on your behalf and help to settle it without going to court.
Court is expensive and doesn't always end in a satisfatory way.
Besides, if his license to do business is at risk he may be a whole
lot more cooperative.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Albert Siegel" <siegel_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> Hello everyone.  This is an update to my situation.  I have
attempted to contact the Jagshop to see if matters could be settled in
an adult manor, but I was insulted and hung up on twice.  I was also
told that I was going to be sued for slander if I attempted to pursue
this.  I find this comical for someone to threaten to sue for slander
when everything said was true.  
rate a repair shop. 
> > 
> > Albert Siegel




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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 04:23:56 +0000
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: angle-drive

Greetings;    I have overhauled the a-d & found the two gears to be rather 
worn.  Does anyone know what type of gears they are classified as and how 
many teeth they have?  Looks like it is best to replace them- after faithful 
service of 21 yrs.   Or..... I am open for sugestions.   It's fun working on 
these rascals!      Drive Stainless  (if it drives)        Robert VIN  6924

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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:42:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fiero Delorean Kit?

I own an '84 2M4 Fiero and in all my research to do
mods on this "thing" I've never fallen upon a DeLorean
kit car body. Not that I'd ever waste time turning a
fiero into a DeLo anyway. The fiero just can't come
close to the style of the DeLorean. I call my Fiero
the money pit. If it works it's because I replaced it.
ugh!

Todd
vin 5386

--- videobob11 <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com> wrote:
> A friend of mine said he had once seen a fiberglass
> kit car made to rebody the Pontiac Fiero as a painted Delorean.
> Has anyone ever heard of this?



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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 05:51:32 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: HEI vs low voltage ignition

In the bad old days of points, standard ignition voltages were
8,000-10,000. With breakerless was increased to 15,000-18,000. These
days coil packs regularly run in excess of 40,000.

Somebody's onto something...

If you've ever struggled with low voltage ignition on a cold or damp
morning know exactly what the advantage is. 

Plug gap has absolutely no bearing on coil output. Is going to build
up HT even if never grounded (that's why you have to be careful
grabbing distributor lead wire even after ignition turned off -- if
last plug never fired YOU'LL become the ground). Gap has everything to
do with flame propogation, and ability of HT to jump (too big gap with
too low voltage won't fire).

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_g...> wrote:
> 
> I still don't get you guys with that high voltage stuff.
> Tha max-voltage on the plugs depends of the gap (and the mixture).

> My 2 cents, and my book about car electrics and stuff proves me
right....
> 
> Elvis & 6548




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