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Date: Sunday, November 02, 2003 6:14 AM

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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. firestone tires my friends
From: "funkstuf" <funkstuf_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Re: Ignition system failure = faulty coil
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

3. Re: Fiero Delorean Kit?
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

4. Larry Flint
From: "delorean58982001" <delorean58982001_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. radio reception
From: "delorean58982001" <delorean58982001_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. What to do with the Dummy switches
From: rbgordon00_at_dml_aol.com

7. RE: Re: Fiero Delorean Kit?
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_i-c.net>

8. Re: Larry Flint
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_comcast.net>

9. Re: angle-drive
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

10. Re: Larry Flint
From: "Nathan Gess" <gess_at_dml_wpa.net>

11. Re: Re: High Voltage Coils (Pertronix)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. Re: What to do with the Dummy switches
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>

13. Re: Larry Flint
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

14. AW: Re: HEI vs low voltage ignition
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>

15. Re: Newbe here, Canadian cars for sale?
From: trevor4bbg208_at_dml_aol.com

16. Re: Larry Flint
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

17. Re: HEI vs low voltage ignition
From: "turbodmc3113" <turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com>

18. Re: What to do with the Dummy switches
From: "Ed Garbade" <edgarbade_at_dml_hotmail.com>

19. Cigaret fuse
From: Michael T Twigger <marktwigger_at_dml_juno.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 06:03:17 -0000
From: "funkstuf" <funkstuf_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: firestone tires my friends

OK<
I was sold on the Cooper Cobras, which had several articles in the 
archives, but........ suddenly, the Firestone Indy 500s crept up.
They have a 120 mph speed rating and sound very nice. 
In addition, you can match both front and back tire sets which to me 
is of critical importance.
Let's here it folks.. Anybody tried them?  Any opinions?
Dale Funk,
4984
known as Da Funk





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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 06:18:01 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Ignition system failure = faulty coil

Am a little confused how you're planning to fry ECU running exactly
same voltage through it as before... (Assuming coil itself is only
component changed). 

Think you misunderstand purpose of ballast resistors. Have absolutely
nothing to do with coil. Are there for ignition module's benefit
alone. Tru high performance ignition systems run full voltage:

Direct quote from Pertronix instruction sheet in my hand right now
(their module):

"Many vehicles came equipped with ballast resistors or resistance
wires [latter is how my Lincolns do it BTW]. To achieve optimum
performance from this ignition system we recommend removal of these
components."

Yes, leaving resistors in place will cut down on ultimate coil output,
but you don't have much choice if retaining original ECU. Final HT
will still be worlds better than stock.

BTW: Bosch spiral core wires are EXACTLY what Pertronix recommends vs
solid core.

Never ceases to amaze me that same owners who criticize DMC cooling
fans, door locks, trailing arm bolts, etc, fail to acknowledge room
for even slightest improvement in ignition...

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> IMHO there is very little if any performance to be gained by using a
> "high performence" coil. If you have a set of properly gapped spark
> plugs the stock ignition system is more than adequate.



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 07:12:30 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Fiero Delorean Kit?

Sounds like someone has contorted info from Dave Stragand's website:

http://www.projectvixen.com/week01.htm

Sixth pic down.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> A friend of mine said he had once seen a fiberglass kit car made to
> rebody the Pontiac Fiero as a painted Delorean.
> Has anyone ever heard of this?
> Seen it?
> Sounds goofy to me, but I would love to see one!
> - VB




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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 07:42:39 -0000
From: "delorean58982001" <delorean58982001_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Larry Flint

Hi have a question, I'm pretty good with the DeLorean history, but I 
do have one question that is bugging me.
Larry Flint had tapes of John DeLorean, did he give the tapes to the 
prosecution or defense? Was he helping or hurting DeLorean?

Thanks,

Darryl
5898




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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 07:45:28 -0000
From: "delorean58982001" <delorean58982001_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: radio reception

My car is an Oct 81, it dosn't have the craig radio, but everything 
for th audio in th car is stock. I'm not willing to put a cd player 
in yet. My question is The car's reception is really bad and in the 
mountains of north eastern PA it can get bad. I there a way to fis it?

Darryl
5898




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:09:38 EST
From: rbgordon00_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: What to do with the Dummy switches

Hi,

I am a newbie. I plan to have a Delorean restored by the  Delorean motor 
company in Texas. I understand that the Delorean has two dummy switches (buttons) 
in the center cockpit next to the gear shift. My question is this, What can I 
add to the Delorean that can be operated by theses switches. Your suggestions 
and opinion is greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time.




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:36:58 -0500
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_i-c.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Fiero Delorean Kit?

A close friend of mine was the publisher of kit car magazine at the time
this was happening.  A kit car company was planning on introducing a
Delorean kit for the Fiero.  As my friend was also a Delorean owner, he
explained to the kit car manufacturer that the price of DeLoreans was so
cheap, it did not make sense so they discontinued the operation.

Jack.


>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> A friend of mine said he had once seen a fiberglass kit car made to
> rebody the Pontiac Fiero as a painted Delorean.
> Has anyone ever heard of this?



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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:50:15 -0600
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Larry Flint

He actually thought he was helping John's case because he believed that the
tape plainly showed that John was entrapped by the FBI. Larry Flynt went to
court over this because he would not tell the judge at the time who provided
him with the tape. Larry also provided the tape to 60 minutes and to a
reporter for the CBS affiliate in Los Angeles. When 60 minutes aired the
tape on tv, John's judge delayed the trial a year because of adverse effects
that the publicity would have on it. Larry never actually gave the tapes to
the prosecution or the defense. The movie "The People vs. Larry Flynt"
touches on this subject.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "delorean58982001" <delorean58982001_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: [DML] Larry Flint


> Hi have a question, I'm pretty good with the DeLorean history, but I
> do have one question that is bugging me.
> Larry Flint had tapes of John DeLorean, did he give the tapes to the
> prosecution or defense? Was he helping or hurting DeLorean?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Darryl
> 5898



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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 16:23:37 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: angle-drive

Did you remove circular steel plate pressed into housing (against back
of spindle cable gear)? How difficult was it? Did it stress pot metal
too much?

Apologies for so many questions. I wanted to remove that plate when my
spindle cable comitted suicide (to insert another) but was afraid of
damaging housing. Soldered repair to remaining cable instead.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_h...>
wrote:
> Greetings;    I have overhauled the a-d & found the two gears to be
rather worn.



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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:27:04 -0500
From: "Nathan Gess" <gess_at_dml_wpa.net>
Subject: Re: Larry Flint

Darryl,

Flynt released the tapes into the media, not to the prosecution or defense.

"Flynt has run a political campaign before. He launched a brief campaign for
president against Ronald Reagan in 1983. He is also well-known in the
courts, having served time in federal prison time in 1984 for not revealing
the source of FBI undercover tapes he released that showed footage from the
drug sting against former automaker John DeLorean." From an unrelated CNN
article that shows that.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/08/04/flynt.governor/

I'd suggest renting or buying "The People vs. Larry Flynt" It's a good movie
on it's own and includes some of the DeLorean footage, the court battle that
the movie is centered around.  Even if you don't learn anything, it's still
worth the 2hrs in my opinion.




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:02:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: High Voltage Coils (Pertronix)

I have had a MSD on 01860 for 2 yrs now, with no
problems.  I just replaced the stock coil with the
MSD, and made no other changes (left stock resistor,
and such).  Car runs great.

--- content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net> wrote:
<SNIP>
> Perhaps we could do informal poll:
> - My DeLo has logged 6,000 miles on a Pertronix
> 40,000 volt coil tied
> to original ignition module.
> - How many miles have others logged?
> 
<SNIP>


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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 16:34:09 EST (-0500)
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
Subject: Re: What to do with the Dummy switches

they aren't switches per say but hollow plastic moudlings that look 
like the remaining 3 switches... order from driver side to passenger 
side is this:

blank
driver window
rear defrost
pass window
blank

Now the 2 blanks can be replaced with either a window switch or a 
defroster switch. The window switches are rocker switches (monetarily 
on) with 2 sets of contacts and a center rest. The defroster switch is 
a spst switch that is on/off manually. You can get them with no 
printing from DMCH

Hope this helps you,

Michael Paine
vin# 6067



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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:55:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Larry Flint

I thought Larry just leaked the tapes to the press. I don't think he had anything to do with the trials or anything legal. He just cashed in at DeLoreans expense.

Louie Golden
VIN 5252 Charlotte, NC


--- "delorean58982001" <delorean58982001_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi have a question,
Larry Flint had tapes of John DeLorean, did he give the tapes to the 
prosecution or defense? Was he helping or hurting DeLorean?



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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:33:22 +0100
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
Subject: AW: Re: HEI vs low voltage ignition

Bill,
in the good old days of points there was a fixed dwell (?) or angle or
whatever you call it to charge up the coil. At higher rpm's there was only
little energy stored and you can imagine what happens when there's not
enough energy to produce a good spark.

Have you ever seen the guys working on the ignition with analyzers /
oszilloskopes ?

There's only a small needle (High voltage/max ignition) that will break down
exactly when the voltage rised so high that a current will flow to GND. When
the gap is wider, the needle is higher...I'm not too good in english to
explain it in every detail. But with an analyzer you can tell exactly what's
wrong with the plugs and the ignition. Take a book and read it. Or don't
believe it and buy that crap.

The last sentence is correct - a too wide gap won't fire....at least not
thru the spark plug ! It will fire somewhere else thru the wire ! And even
with a 10kV coil there may be a much higher voltage !  Believe it or not.

Elvis & 6548...without any cold start ignition problems....





Plug gap has absolutely no bearing on coil output. Is going to build
up HT even if never grounded (that's why you have to be careful
grabbing distributor lead wire even after ignition turned off -- if
last plug never fired YOU'LL become the ground). Gap has everything to
do with flame propogation, and ability of HT to jump (too big gap with
too low voltage won't fire).

Bill Robertson
#5939




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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:38:16 EST
From: trevor4bbg208_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Newbe here, Canadian cars for sale?

Hi Mike,

      Thanks for the reply, I am in Nova Scotia (Halifax)... I will try some 
of those things you mentioned. It would be nice to find one between here and 
Ontario but we shall see.

Thanks again,



In a message dated 10/31/2003 10:53:33 PM Atlantic Standard Time, 
Michael.Fischer_at_dml_dittybase.com writes:

> Hi Trevor,
> 
>     Well, as you know, Canada is pretty big,  so where abouts are
> you? (i.e. besides the east coast?)
> 
>     I bought my D a number of years ago from a fellow in Winnepeg
> MB, I'm currently in Calgary AB, after a stint on the west coast in
> Victoria BC



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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 23:38:12 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Larry Flint

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "delorean58982001" <
delorean58982001_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hi have a question, I'm pretty good with the DeLorean history, but I 
> do have one question that is bugging me.
> Larry Flint had tapes of John DeLorean, did he give the tapes to the 
> prosecution or defense? Was he helping or hurting DeLorean?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Darryl
> 5898

DeLorean had another lawyer represent him, previous to the trial. However, 
that particular law firm's expertise was in real estate, and not criminal law. 
Although they had first pledged to asist JZD, the ultimately could not.

Anywho, since they were his legal council at the time, they were allowed 
access to the evidense due to disclosure, hence the DEA tapes of the bust in 
room 501, along with all other items. Eventually, Larry Flynt obtained the 
tapes from someone working at the office. I say obtained, because he never 
paid the source for the tapes like he had initially promised.

Did the tapes, hurt or help DeLorean's defense? Pretty much, they were 
neutral to the case. However, at the time, the airing of the tapes really swayed 
the publics' opinion on DeLorean to be on his side. It's really been the 
negative press from cynical writters, and commedians seeking cheap laughs 
that have really moulded the negative opinion that surrounds both the man, 
and the car today.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 23:59:56 -0000
From: "turbodmc3113" <turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: HEI vs low voltage ignition

Hi Bill,

Part of your post is misleading, at least the way I read it and I 
wanted to clarify something for those following this thread. 

A coil dose not store a charge like a capacitor. A large capacitor 
can store a charge (almost like a battery) and discharge even with 
the device turned off days weeks even months later.

A coil does build up a magnetic field; it is when the power going to 
the coil is turned off that the coil creates High voltage by virtue 
of the magnetic field collapsing.
This happens because a coil will resist an instantaneous change in 
current and when the current flow is stopped, the magnetic field 
collapses and tries to maintain current flow.
The net result is that a voltage (a high voltage) is produced.

Once the power is turned off to the coil and the field has collapsed 
(happens instantaneous for the purposes we are talking about, the 
coil is harmless (unlike a capacitor).

Another thumb rule for sparking and arcing. 10,000 volts will jump 
about 1 inch at normal atmospheric pressure. The one inch rule has 
many variables and inside the combustion chamber of an engine has 
very little to do with what happens outside at atmospheric pressure 
but I thought it was an interesting bit of trivia.

One other thing and I'm not picking on you if it is a typo. When
you 
refer to HT are you referring to HV for high voltage?
If not pleas let me know what HT is. 

Regards,

Mike D.


> Plug gap has absolutely no bearing on coil output. Is going to build
> up HT even if never grounded (that's why you have to be careful
> grabbing distributor lead wire even after ignition turned off -- if
> last plug never fired YOU'LL become the ground). Gap has everything 
to
> do with flame propogation, and ability of HT to jump (too big gap 
with
> too low voltage won't fire).
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> 
> >--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_g...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > I still don't get you guys with that high voltage stuff.
> > Tha max-voltage on the plugs depends of the gap (and the mixture).
> 
> > My 2 cents, and my book about car electrics and stuff proves me
> right....
> > 
> > Elvis & 6548




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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 19:09:38 -0500
From: "Ed Garbade" <edgarbade_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: What to do with the Dummy switches

I considereed using them for a cruise control.  See the Files section of the 
news group.  File is named D-Cruise.doc.  Let me know if you give it a shot.

10541
Ed


>From: rbgordon00_at_dml_aol.com
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
...

>What can I add to the Delorean that can be operated by theses switches. 
>Your suggestions and opinion is greatly appreciated.



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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:51:16 -0500
From: Michael T Twigger <marktwigger_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Cigaret fuse

My clock stopped working a few weeks ago, and when I
needed to use the cigaret lighter it wasn't working either. 
Is it just the fuse that had gone? if so where is it located?

I also have noticed some noises when turning. Whenever 
I make a hard left turn there is a loud squealing sound that 
comes from the right front. And when I make a slow turn I 
also can hear a slow tapping sound that comes from the
right rear.

Anyone have any ideas?

thanks

Mark T



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