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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1738
Date: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:34 AM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Hot Plugs
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

2. Re: Stainless Steel Illusion
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com>

3. Anyone know where a Delorean Conversion forsale is?
From: Twilightcall_at_dml_aol.com

4. Wire Mystery? Smoke in the Cabin
From: wmack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>

5. Re: Re: Larry Flint
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_comcast.net>

6. Re: Wire Mystery? Smoke in the Cabin
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

7. Re: Anyone know where a Delorean Conversion forsale is?
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

8. Re: Re: Anyone know where a Delorean Conversion forsale is?
From: Twilightcall_at_dml_aol.com

9. Delorean howto page and coolant change
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>

10. Re: Brown DeLo Wires
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

11. Coolest car ever
From: "Scott McMullan" <mcmullan_at_dml_netaxs.com>

12. Re: Anyone know where a Delorean Conversion forsale is?
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

13. Danish DeLorean page
From: Hi <rudedog_at_dml_get2net.dk>

14. WARNING Re: Parts missing/removed from my car at Jag Shop
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

15. Re: Wire Mystery? Smoke in the Cabin
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

16. Re: idle fluctuations
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

17. Re: Miles Per Gallon and Trip Computer
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>

18. Re: What to do with the Dummy switches
From: AJL521_at_dml_aol.com

19. Re: Re: Anyone know where a Delorean Conversion forsale is?
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

20. Very strange spam IM
From: "f14dflyer" <f14dflyer_at_dml_comcast.net>

21. Re: Re: angle-drive
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>

22. Re: idle fluctuations
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

23. Re: BMW/Time Machine?
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

24. Re: Coolest car ever
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>

25. WARNING Re: Parts missing/removed from my car at Jag Shop
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:09:05 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Hot Plugs

But not too hot -- HR9's I started towards Fall Foliage with never
made it past Fayetteville. Think they came out cleaner than they went
in! Even though insulator is LONGER than Delco R42, and electrode is
nothing more than a tiny dot, burn much hotter. Too hot for my
particular PRV.

I am 9.5:1 however. Hot plugs in a high compression engine can cause
mixture to ignite before spark (actually you get two explosions: one
preignition/predetonation -- whichever term is correct -- and one from
ignition), especially on lower octane fuel.

You want gold/caramel color. Dry black soot is too cold. Absence of
color is too hot. 

BTW: if anyone on list has a high mileage engine, or one that burns
oil, I will give away set of HR9's with less than 100 miles. Contact
me direct: brobertson(at)carolina.net.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Yep, I made a boo-boo there - HOT plugs on low compression engine, and 
> COLD plugs on high compression/turbo engine. I knew it was the opposite 
> to what you might first think, but confused myself into a 
> double-negative! The DeLorean should run HOT plugs
> 
> Martin
> 
> content22207 wrote:
> 
> >Cold plugs can carbon foul, especially on a car that doesn't get much
> >road use.
> >
> >Oil burners are also vulnerable.
> >
> >Re: continuing ignition controversy -- again I wonder why the
> >controversy over a $30 part? Is practically the cheapest thing on
the car.
> >
> >And I personally find it does make a difference...
> >
> >Bill Robertson
> >#5939
> >




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:08:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Illusion

Just received my copy of this legendary book this
afternoon and WOW!I'd never seen the book before and
the amount of info on all aspects of the car's
beginnings and ending was great.Especially loved the
photos of the prototypes and the factory.
Thanks James and DMC for reprinting it so poor souls
like me could afford it!
I even got a quote in the new chapter!

Andrew
VIN 2883
Sydney,Aus.


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 06:45:38 EST
From: Twilightcall_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Anyone know where a Delorean Conversion forsale is?

I was wondering if anyone knows where a D conversion (engine) is forsale?  
Thanks.



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:03:54 -0500
From: wmack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Wire Mystery? Smoke in the Cabin

Group,

I was driving down the road on saturday, as I was stopped at a stoplight, the 
car suddenly died.  Just out of the blue cuts off.  I manage to get it to the 
side of the road, and for some reason it refires.  I pull it quickly into the 
next parking lot to take a look at it. But on the way to the parking lot my 
wife and I smell something burning, and next thing we know there is smoke 
filling the cabin.  I made it to the parking lot, and opened the access panel 
to the fuse box and electrical compartment. 
There is a large group of wires bundled together that runs underneath/just 
behind the fuse box.  There was one brown wire, maybe 14 guage, that the 
previous owner had spliced an inline fuse into it.  The burning and the smoke 
was from the fuse melting, I think that is why the car cut off, because the 
wire was basically cut.  
Anyway, my question is what does this wire do?  And why would it overheat, 
besides maybe having the wrong fuse in it.  That day, I had the car on, and 
the radio thats it, no ac, nothing else.
I've had the car for 3 1/2 years, this is the first electrical problem I've 
had.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
  Willie Mack
  Vin 5043




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 07:39:12 -0600
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Larry Flint

I'm 32 and this is a pretty accurate statement. Most people, especially
under 30, don't remember the sensationalization of the cocaine trial in the
early '80s. Their only recognition of the car is of course, Back to the
Future. Regardless of any flux capacitor or cocaine jokes you may here from
some older people, when kids see the Delorean up close, they think it's the
coolest car ever made.
>SNIP
>
> Robert, I totally agree with what you're saying.
>
> I would like to say to everyone here that I have actually observed a
> sort of "changing of opinion" from people I meet. I only have one
> a-hole at work who makes the cocaine joke. Nearly every one else I
> meet has a much softer opinion of the whole affair. When people my age
> or older (31) see the car, it's like "everything old is new again" and
> they want to hear the story, what happened etc. I guess if enough time
> passes, people will make their own decision and not listen to the press.
>
> Has anyone else noticed this?
>
> Rich



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:30:18 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Wire Mystery? Smoke in the Cabin

Willie,

Heavy gauge brown wires go to a few things in the car. You really 
need a wiring diagram to trace it out correctly.

BTW, if the fuse had blown, and you had smoke and odor, the fuse in 
the ckt was too high for the application. The wiring was burning 
before the fuse blew. IF you elect to keep the circuit as is, use a 
smaller rated, slow blow fuse. Or possibly a fuse rated the same as 
the one that blew but quick blow vs. slow.

Consulting my diagram here, I see:

1. Brown/pink running from the inertia switch to the door lock relay 
and the locks. 
2. Solid brown running from main fuel relay to RPM relay.
3. Solid brown running from main fuel relay to "aux relay" via 2 
wiring harness main junctions.
4. Brown/orange running from fan relays to otterstat.
5. Solid brown from 3rd & 4th speed relays to fan breaker to wiring 
harness junction. (the people fan, not the engine fans)

Based on what you said you had running at the time, it could be the 
brown for the fuel pump as that is -always- running when the car runs 
and maybe the fan wiring depending on what your engine temp was when 
the car died. Were you idling in traffic?

I doubt it was the locks. Even if you have the OEM module and it was 
trying to lock you in/unlock you in, the thermal trip would have 
kicked in before the odor and fuse problems.

Get Ye a wiring diagram. Hope this helps,

Rich
#5335

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, wmack <wmack_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> Group,
> 
> I was driving down the road on saturday, as I was stopped at a 
stoplight, the 
> car suddenly died.  Just out of the blue cuts off.  I manage to get 
it to the 
> side of the road, and for some reason it refires.  I pull it 
quickly into the 
> next parking lot to take a look at it. But on the way to the 
parking lot my 
> wife and I smell something burning, and next thing we know there is 
smoke 
> filling the cabin.  I made it to the parking lot, and opened the 
access panel 
> to the fuse box and electrical compartment. 
> There is a large group of wires bundled together that runs 
underneath/just 
> behind the fuse box.  There was one brown wire, maybe 14 guage, 
that the 
> previous owner had spliced an inline fuse into it.  The burning and 
the smoke 
> was from the fuse melting, I think that is why the car cut off, 
because the 
> wire was basically cut.  
> Anyway, my question is what does this wire do?  And why would it 
overheat, 
> besides maybe having the wrong fuse in it.  That day, I had the car 
on, and 
> the radio thats it, no ac, nothing else.
> I've had the car for 3 1/2 years, this is the first electrical 
problem I've 
> had.
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thanks
>   Willie Mack
>   Vin 5043




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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:46:27 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone know where a Delorean Conversion forsale is?

Please clarify - Are you looking for a leftover PRV FROM someone's 
conversion, or some other random unidentified other engine that might 
fit (in that case the wrecking yards are full of them). 

Dave S

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Twilightcall_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone knows where a D conversion (engine) is 
forsale?  
> Thanks.




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:11:19 EST
From: Twilightcall_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone know where a Delorean Conversion forsale is?

Actually I was looking for a car with the coversion already done to it 
forsale with a non PRV engine in the car.



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:20:18 -0800 (PST)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Delorean howto page and coolant change

Hello all,

    Server problems with the telekom caused major
outages on my server in the last 2 weeks.  I believe
the changes ive made should work.

http://retroserver.no-ip.com

As for work, the coolant hose kit arrived today, ive
slated saturday morning on the lift to replace my 22
year old hoses and flush out the system.  As usual,
all would be documented into a howto.

If you guys have any thoughts on flushing out the
system on a delorean, or refilling it for that matter,
now would be a real keen time to share your
experiences.

thanx

jordan 11613

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:08:52 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Brown DeLo Wires

Actually just about everything before main & aux relay's (and a few
circuits that baypass them) is brown. Good rule of thumb whenever you
see a brown DeLo wire is "always hot, always on".

Fuel pump relay is hot whenever fuse 7 in place, whether or not car
energized.

Rich is right: you need a wiring diagram AND the legend. Then you need
to study it in comfort of your own driveway. Time to figure out how
various circuits work is NOT when car is dead on side of road.

FWIW: almost entire car can be driven from relay compartment. Keep 2
and 3 way jumpers in the glove box for those emergencies.

My pet peeve is headlight circuit. Dash switch NOT circuit protected
(hazard switch is, but not headlight), yet has a load bearing device
inside (illumination bulb). Mine melted internally, shorting to the
bulb's ground. Without fuse whole switch went up in flames. Results in
#5939's photo album. You may have had smoke -- I had fire. Very bad in
a plastic car.

Better get used to DeLo wiring problems. They pop up from time to time.

Note most circuits that are switched on the hot side in domestic cars
are switched on the ground in DeLo.

Get a wiring diagram...

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Willie,
> 
> Heavy gauge brown wires go to a few things in the car. You really 
> need a wiring diagram to trace it out correctly.
> 
> BTW, if the fuse had blown, and you had smoke and odor, the fuse in 
> the ckt was too high for the application. The wiring was burning 
> before the fuse blew. IF you elect to keep the circuit as is, use a 
> smaller rated, slow blow fuse. Or possibly a fuse rated the same as 
> the one that blew but quick blow vs. slow.
> 
> Consulting my diagram here, I see:
> 
> 1. Brown/pink running from the inertia switch to the door lock relay 
> and the locks. 
> 2. Solid brown running from main fuel relay to RPM relay.
> 3. Solid brown running from main fuel relay to "aux relay" via 2 
> wiring harness main junctions.
> 4. Brown/orange running from fan relays to otterstat.
> 5. Solid brown from 3rd & 4th speed relays to fan breaker to wiring 
> harness junction. (the people fan, not the engine fans)
> 
> Based on what you said you had running at the time, it could be the 
> brown for the fuel pump as that is -always- running when the car runs 
> and maybe the fan wiring depending on what your engine temp was when 
> the car died. Were you idling in traffic?
> 
> I doubt it was the locks. Even if you have the OEM module and it was 
> trying to lock you in/unlock you in, the thermal trip would have 
> kicked in before the odor and fuse problems.
> 
> Get Ye a wiring diagram. Hope this helps,
> 
> Rich
> #5335
> 

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:54:22 -0500
From: "Scott McMullan" <mcmullan_at_dml_netaxs.com>
Subject: Coolest car ever


> when kids see the Delorean up close, they think it's the
> coolest car ever made.

The day after I bought my D, I was giving rides to the neighbors.  While
loading a new passenger, a teenager drove by in some funky new-looking
2-seater convertible with the top down.  He was nodding his head violently,
looking at my car, shouting to his passenger (over the thumping stereo)
"Awesome... that is the coolest car EVER!"

Made my day.




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:37:58 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone know where a Delorean Conversion forsale is?

If you are looking to buy a Delorean for sale with an engine
conversion already done, I know Darryl is selling his 4.3L
supercharged car (listed currently on DMCNews cars for sale)
asking about $24K for the car.

There is also a 3-rotor twin turbo engine with Porsche 6-speed
transmission that Jim has offered for sale for under $30K, but
if you do not want a black painted car, then you may want to
pass on this one.

I have a 1983 Canadian spec Delorean with an 1984 Buick 3.8L
Turbo Grand National engine installed and working rather well.
I do not have it listed for sale, but money talks if you are
seriously interested.  I would sell for less than both above.

I have recently purchased an Island Twin Turbo kit and it will
arrive within the next few days, so selling the 3.8L Turbo car
would help fund my twin turbo project.  If you are seriously
interested and have the money, contact me off list to buy it.

Thanks,
Rich W.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Twilightcall_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone knows where a D conversion (engine) is 
forsale?  
> Thanks.




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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 01:32:58 +0100
From: Hi <rudedog_at_dml_get2net.dk>
Subject: Danish DeLorean page

Hi, just wanted to let people know, that i finally began to put up the new
Danish DeLorean webpage - the first of its kind! This is mainly of interest
too the danish and scandinavian people, as it's only in Danish.
The link is: http://hjem.get2net.dk/rudedog/delorean/
(until i get something better)

Comments are very much appreciated.

Regards,
Lasse Hi








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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:44:08 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: WARNING Re: Parts missing/removed from my car at Jag Shop

I would be careful what you say about the Jag Shop. It seems "fatboy",
aka Ed Bernstein, seems to have a special interest in what is said
about it. I received a rather nasty e-mail threatening to sue me, all
the other posters, and the moderators for slander. I don't mind
because I never slandered anyone. Some may mind only because of the
tone of the e-mail he sends. In any case he is trying to intimidate
anyone from saying ANYTHING about the Jag shop. I guess they have
something to hide otherwise they would try to settle this with the
injured parties as amicably as they could. I stand by my advice, if
the injured parties have a case they should make it with the State
agency that licenses the shop. If there is any merit to their side
then the State will coerce the shop into settling. If there is a
pattern of abuses then the State may see fit to remove their license
to operate. As for the DML, if you don't want fatboy to send you
intimidating e-mail then you shouldn't jump in with advice, he takes
it as slander against the "good reputation" of the Jag shop. In the
meantime if you have a Delorean and you need service you might want to
pick a different shop in the area until things work out. The origional
posters should keep us informed as to how this matter gets settled. A
reputation can be easily damaged, it is much harder to repair. The
posters should let us know if it is important to the Jag shop to
maintain a good reputation.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Al,
> 
> If I'm not mistaken, I've seen other folks on the list complain about
> this shop. Try to dig in the archives. That may help.





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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:55:02 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Wire Mystery? Smoke in the Cabin

If it is the brown wire then it sounds like the P.O. had a problem
with #7 fuse melting. He did the inline fuse thing. Unfortunatly it
sounds like he didn't do it correctly. Now you have to cut out all the
burnt wiring and reinstall an inline fuse holder (that can handle 20
amps) and a 20 amp fuse. This circuit is for the fuel pump, the Lambda
ECU and frequency valve, and the control pressure regulater. You
should, after fixing the damaged wiring, measure the current draw on
the circuit to be sure it isn't over 15 amps. While you are in the
fuse area check on what you have for the fan fail relay. If you have
the bypass wires they could also be melting.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, wmack <wmack_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> Group,
> 
> I was driving down the road on saturday, as I was stopped at a
stoplight, the 
> car suddenly died.  Just out of the blue cuts off.  I manage to get
it to the 
> side of the road, and for some reason it refires.  I pull it quickly
into the 





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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:59:49 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: idle fluctuations

A couple of quick things to check:
a vacuum hose may have fallen off or developed a leak
The plug for the mixture screw is missing
bad ignition wires
sticking throttle cable not allowing the idle micro to "set"
Dirty, fouled spark plug
leaking cold start valve
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "funkstuf" <funkstuf_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> After many months of rehabilitation (the Delorean that is), I had a 
> weekend of driving my Delorean.. It ran great for the first day and a 
> half.
> Then it developed a strange problem.  The idle began fluctuating up 
> and down between about 500 and 1200 rpm.  (Prior to this, it was 
> tending to idle at about 1000 when cold, then 1500 when warm and we 
> were unable to get it to idle lower)  When it drops, it almost looks 





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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:32:18 -0500
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>
Subject: Re: Miles Per Gallon and Trip Computer

On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 09:23:40PM -0500, doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
> That question was asked my me,   Dave and 6530.  I have ben working on a 
> driving computer for my Delorean.  It started out to be a project built around an 
> HP Jornada 680 handheld computer with a 1/2 vga screen and the Dataq DI-194RS 
> data acquisition kit.  I actually got the two interfaced and was able to 
> display the cars battery voltage on the screen.  The problem, it seems was that the 
> 680 was too slow.  I have since shelved the idea untill I can afford to buy a 
> 7" vga LCD monitor which I will connect to a mini-ITX computer.  Since it 
> will be programmed in Visual Basic as oppossed to VB for WindowsCE, the operating 
> system for the 680, I think it will be much easier.

Check out http://www.dashpc.com/ for ideas, parts sources, etc. As
others have noted, staying as far away from VB is the way to go.
However, staying away from anything with the microsoft logo is *also*
the way to go (IMO; no religous flamewars, thanks =)  ). dashpc.com has
pretty much all the info you're going to need to install a PC into a
car, including power and so forth.

--noah
#2867



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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:42:52 EST
From: AJL521_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: What to do with the Dummy switches

I am using one dummy switch as a manual fan control switch.  Its nice to be 
able to control the fans at any point in time, and running the wires is easy.  
I'm still trying to find a use for the other dummy switch slot, right now I'm 
leaning toward fog lights.

By the way, has anyone on the list put a GPS system in their DeLorean?

Have a good one,
Andrew
4194




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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:36:58 -0600
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone know where a Delorean Conversion forsale is?

Hey Rich,
(loved you on Monster Garage by the way)
What kind of money do you want for the car you mentioned?

Other than yours, I am looking for a daily driver that is a gray manual.
I have been spying on some of the cars on eBay, going for an average of 
$15,000
more or less.
I was considering finding a cheap project car and having DMCH put in that 
stage2 engine.
I just want a car that is powerfull and a good daily driver.

I'm here in Dallas by the way.
I was in Irving today (between Dallas / Fort Worth) and saw a Delorean at a 
Toyota dealership.
It is a Black/Auto with 114 miles, never titled.
They used to be a dealer and they have had it ever since.
It is for sale, but I don't know the price.
When I find out I will post it up.
Thanks.
- Videobob


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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:10:33 -0000
From: "f14dflyer" <f14dflyer_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: Very strange spam IM

[MODERATOR NOTE: This message approved in the hope that
someone can explain how this happened and how to prevent
it in the future.  Please don't consider it an open
invitation to discuss the subject at length.
     - Mike Substelny DML moderator of the week]

I got an IM from "beachbabe02001" a few minutes ago. Of course, just
from the screenname, I pegged it for a pornospam (I don't usually get
them, but whatever), and got ready to warn and block. Except that when
I accepted the IM, it said "I heard you like DeLoreans. Wanna chat?"
Huh? Very strange. But it quickly became clear that whoever it was,
they didn't want to talk. I checked the profile, and yep, it was a
pornospam. Warn, block, done. But I'd love to know how it was that the
message was "I heard you like DeLoreans. Wanna chat?" Very very
strange. They must have pulled my screenname off either the DML, the
entermyworld.com board, or the bttf.com board. I suspect they got it
from entermyworld.com, but who knows? It was just so surprisingly strange.




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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 05:10:32 +0000
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: angle-drive

Actually, my brother drilled out the back & found ANOTHER plate behind it 
which popped out relatively easliy.  Popped it back in, then soldered the 
drill hole on the outer plate, & ta-daaa..... still didn't work right.  Back 
to a drawing board?        $70 to replace it.... hmmm.....   with an 
electrical engineer/tinkerer for a brother, it may very well be cheaper to 
rebuild it.   Remember, I spent $10 on a solid SS tube for the clutch line, 
$.04 to repair the clutch slave cyl., $.75 to replace a diode in the ign. 
mod., & I've rewound the door-lock solonoids by hand.    Bit of Scotch, 
anyone?      I'll carry on.    Drive Stainless     Robert    VIN  6924


From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: angle-drive
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 16:23:37 -0000

> Did you remove circular steel plate pressed into housing (against
> back of spindle cable gear)? How difficult was it? Did it stress
> pot metal too much?
>
> Apologies for so many questions. I wanted to remove that plate when
> my spindle cable comitted suicide (to insert another) but was afraid
> of damaging housing. Soldered repair to remaining cable instead.
>
> Bill Robertson
> #5939

 >--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_h...>
wrote:
>> Greetings;    I have overhauled the a-d & found the two gears to be
>> rather worn.



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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:16:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: idle fluctuations

What do I do if my throttle arm isn't returning all the way? The spring is already on the second setting. I tried lubing the linkage... still the throttle will stick at about 1100-1400 rpm's after the car has been driven. I can revv the engine and it will get enough momentum to make the throttle arm return all the way. What should I do? Is a new throttle spool spring an option? Obviously I need more tension.

Louie Golden
VIN 5252 Charlotte, NC

--- "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net> wrote:
A couple of quick things to check:
a vacuum hose may have fallen off or developed a leak
The plug for the mixture screw is missing
bad ignition wires
sticking throttle cable not allowing the idle micro to "set"
Dirty, fouled spark plug
leaking cold start valve
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:19:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: BMW/Time Machine?

He may have emailed you privately about this, but it's one of our own list members, Travis Goodwin. His BTTF conversion is a temporary party trick... most of the time his car is bone stock.

Louie Golden
VIN 5252


--- Holler <thehauntfactory_at_dml_att.net> wrote:
Hey all,
I didn't make it to the Eurofest gathering at the BMW plant here in
S.C., but I heard today that for at least the second year running,
someone brought a DeLorean Time Machine to the show.
I know it wasn't me, so does anyone know who it was/is?  Any info would
be fun and helpful.
Thanks!
Oliver Holler
10694 (Time-Car)



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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:20:09 -0800
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: Re: Coolest car ever

A girl at a coffee shop I frequent always yells out the drive through window
that I have the coolest car ever.  She actually gets rather disappointed
when I don't drive it through there.  I guess my 1969 Volkswagen Beetle
doesn't evoke the same emotion.  Her friend seemed to know a lot about it,
or at least John DeLorean because she was studying him in her college
financial class.  Unfortunately she said the professor has been teaching
them some great misconceptions about what happened with him.

In my girlfriend's art class, her instructor came in all excited asking if
anyone had seen the DeLorean driving around town.  She told him who's it was
and he kept bugging her in class with questions.  That was enough to make my
day.  It's kind of hard to be inconspicuous anywhere but it's a good feeling
to see people happy over it.  Over two years of ownership and I still get
excited every time I see it.  Not many cars could do that for me.

payne
#2975
>
> > when kids see the Delorean up close, they think it's the
> > coolest car ever made.
>
> The day after I bought my D, I was giving rides to the neighbors.  While
> loading a new passenger, a teenager drove by in some funky new-looking
> 2-seater convertible with the top down.  He was nodding his head
violently,
> looking at my car, shouting to his passenger (over the thumping stereo)
> "Awesome... that is the coolest car EVER!"
>
> Made my day.



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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:24:37 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: WARNING Re: Parts missing/removed from my car at Jag Shop

The owner/manager sends people on the list threatening email?

Wow. That's very interesting to know. Sounds like harrasment to me.

>From now on, I will recommend to everyone I know to AVOID the Jag 
Shop at all costs based on negative comments by various aquaintences 
on and off the list.

It's a simple risk vs. benefit analysis;

The stated opinions of many fellow owners would indicate that the 
risk of entrusting my vehicle to this shop would outweigh "possible" 
benefit of having my collector's car repaired correctly in a timely, 
cost-effective manner.

Word-of-mouth advertising, be it positive OR negative is not libel or 
slander, if you are only relating an experience you had to your 
friends. I caution against embellishment when you tell your story 
though. That's where the slander or libel enters.

As for me, no one is going to sue -me- for slander or libel if all 
I'm doing is relating to others that people I know were not happy 
with the work done at the shop and received email threatening legal 
action for discussing the business habits of the shop.

I'm glad you all have shared this with me. Now I know NEVER to use 
the Jag Shop for service and I'll be sure to tell all my fellow 
owners.

Courteously,

Rich
#5335

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> 
wrote:
> I would be careful what you say about the Jag Shop. It 
seems "fatboy",
> aka Ed Bernstein, seems to have a special interest in what is said
> about it. I received a rather nasty e-mail threatening to sue me, 
all
> the other posters, and the moderators for slander. I don't mind
> because I never slandered anyone. Some may mind only because of the
> tone of the e-mail he sends. In any case he is trying to intimidate
> anyone from saying ANYTHING about the Jag shop. I guess they have
> something to hide otherwise they would try to settle this with the
> injured parties as amicably as they could. I stand by my advice, if
> the injured parties have a case they should make it with the State
> agency that licenses the shop. If there is any merit to their side
> then the State will coerce the shop into settling. If there is a
> pattern of abuses then the State may see fit to remove their license
> to operate. As for the DML, if you don't want fatboy to send you
> intimidating e-mail then you shouldn't jump in with advice, he takes
> it as slander against the "good reputation" of the Jag shop. In the
> meantime if you have a Delorean and you need service you might want 
to
> pick a different shop in the area until things work out. The 
origional
> posters should keep us informed as to how this matter gets settled. 
A
> reputation can be easily damaged, it is much harder to repair. The
> posters should let us know if it is important to the Jag shop to
> maintain a good reputation.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> > Al,
> > 
> > If I'm not mistaken, I've seen other folks on the list complain 
about
> > this shop. Try to dig in the archives. That may help.




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