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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1742
Date: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:48 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: Failed emissions!!!
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

2. RE: possible fuel pump failure?
From: "Chuck Kay" <chuckkay_at_dml_comcast.net>

3. Re: Disputing the $25,0000 rule
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Re: High Voltage Coils (Pertronix)
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: Failed emissions!!!
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

6. Re: Re Switched DeLo Grounds
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

7. Re Re: Switched DeLo Grounds
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

8. Re: Disputing the $25,0000 rule
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. Re: Re: possible fuel pump failure?
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com>

10. Re: Kayo Ong's Coil
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

11. Re: Disputing the $25,0000 rule
From: billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com

12. stainless DMC license plate
From: billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com

13. RE: Re: Disputing the $25,0000 rule
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

14. Cooling system related howto
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>

15. Re: stainless DMC license plate
From: "Mark" <mark_at_dml_meninblack.ca>

16. D owners in the Charlotte NC area
From: Eric Itzel <eric_at_dml_seviernet.com>

17. Re: Cooling system related howto
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

18. [Fwd: Re: Re: Failed emissions!!!]
From: Robert Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

19. Re: Cooling system related howto
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

20. $10,000 vs $25,000 DeLoreans
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

21. Jag Shop controversey
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>

22. Re: Re: Kayo Ong's Coil
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

23. Re: stainless DMC license plate
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

24. RE: Cooling system related howto
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

25. DeLorean 5003 now parked
From: "TalksToGod" <5n-_at_dml_gmx.net>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:34:38 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Failed emissions!!!

In a message dated 11/5/03 7:27:13 PM Central Standard Time, 
acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:

> I just did a full ignition tune-up about 6 months ago, all stock 
> parts except for the plugs which I used bosch platinum+4. The 
> catalytic converter was replaced by the previous owner in 1999. The 
> air filter appears to be clean.  
> 
> Adam
> 

I have heard that the platinum plugs aren't good in the PRV engine.  perhaps 
that is a contributing factor?  I know Grady won't use them (unless you make 
him, LOL)

Andy


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:04:14 -0500
From: "Chuck Kay" <chuckkay_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: RE: possible fuel pump failure?

I had the same kind of buzzing in vin 10610.  It turned out to be the pickup
screen in the fuel tank was clogged up.  The pump was starving for fuel. I
bought a new one from Special T. I also made my own baffle to replace the
original style so the pickup hose is only 1 1/2 " long.  No problem since.

								Deloreanchuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Prentis [mailto:aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:45 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] possible fuel pump failure?


Whilst driving home from work this evening my car
started to make a very load buzzing/humming sound that
started out quietly and got louder and louder till i
could easily hear it over the radio.I have since found
that the fuel pump is buzzing its little head off.The
reason I suspect the fuel pump is gone is because when
I was backing into my drive way the car stalled.It
started again no problem but then died again.It did
this several times again before i got it in the garage
and the pump was still buzzing loudly.
Do these symptoms sound like a fuel pump failure or
something else?
Thanks
Andrew
VIN 2883
Sydney,Aus.



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:37:53 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Disputing the $25,0000 rule

In a message dated 11/5/03 6:18:09 PM Central Standard Time, Soma576_at_dml_aol.com 
writes:

> i suppose i would be below $25,000 if i only replaced parts that needed to 
> be 
> replaced, but i'd also have a car that isn't so reliable and i might fear 
> going from ND to TN next spring..... and i wouldn't take home so many 
> trophies 
> from shows!
> 
> to do it the way i do it, i would say $35,000 is more realistic.  
> 
> Andy

Actually, I got curious after i made this post and I actually ADDED UP all of 
my receipts.  So far, my total is $27,660.04.  this includes car purchase 
price, non-stock stereo upgrade (around $2500) as well as other goodies such as a 
lowered suspension and stainless enhancements. total includes shipping for 
parts (forgot to not include it until i was almost done) as well as about $1500 
total labor costs for things such as dropping and cracking open my tranny and 
recharging my A/C and performing alignments, spring installation).  all other 
work i did myself. total doesn't include interest i have accrued on credit 
cards or inital car loan (will be paid off in march).  

I have a short list of things i still have to do on my car which includes:
1. fanzilla, lockzilla remotes, and new tank sender.
2. drop suspension and blast and powdercoat it, replace all bushings.
3. replace frame (getting pretty rusty and i don't have the means to do a 
frame off - i'd rather swap).
4. replace wheels with polished ones (mine are powdercoated and i don't like 
it)
5. replace steering rack and steering universals
6. eliminate fascia eyebrows

i suspect by the time these are done i will be kissing the $35,000 range.  
will it be worth it?  i think so because i have personally disassembled and 
refurbished or replaced almost every system in the car and wherever possible i 
replaced parts with better than stock parts, as well as having all the upgrades i 
wish to have to have a car that runs perfect, drives perfect, and looks 
perfect enough to waltz into car shows and steal the light.  like i said though, i 
am pretty anal about EVERYTHING, and if you want just a regular driver that 
looks respectable, i'm sure $20K-$25K will do it and keep it reliable enough.  
BUT I am of the opinion that you won't be REALLY happy with it (and you'll 
always be envious) until you fork up the $35K.

Andy


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:45:28 EST
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: High Voltage Coils (Pertronix)

I have the same result with my DeLorean.   I have the MSD Blaster Coil 2 Part 
#8200 used without the resistor coil since June 2000.   I now have logged 
over 35,000 miles on the coil with no problems and   I do drive my car daily.

Kayo Ong
#5508 
Lic 9D NY

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In a message dated 11/1/03 8:27:45 PM, malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:


> I have had a MSD on 01860 for 2 yrs now, with no
> problems.  I just replaced the stock coil with the
> MSD, and made no other changes (left stock resistor,
> and such).  Car runs great.
> 



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 03:13:03 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Failed emissions!!!

It sounds like uneven cylinder combustion. Could be injectors or 
even the injector seals or a bad plug wire (occasionally the boots 
at the plug can be pushed on without contacting the sparkplug 
properly). Is the test at idle or under load? You might try to use 
the idle adjustment screws (the brass ones) to smooth out the idle.

Harold McElraft - 3354


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Adam 16683" <acprice1_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> My car is still failing emissions! However it is definately better 
> than before. CO is in control, and HC failed by 0.2!! I dialed in 
the 
> CO as best as I can get it with my dwell meter, its hovering right 
at 
> 30, oscillating between 28~32. With my CO dialed in my car idles 
> rougher, and is even worse during warm-up, which is why I 
enrichened 
> it in the first place. 
> 
> Here some things I have found: the dwell meter reading drops 
> considerably when the cooling fans activate. The engine 
oscillation 
> doesnt change, I am sure it just has something to do with voltage 
> drops or something. 
> 
> Also when the cooling fans activate there is a whining sound from 
the 
> engine somewhere, almost sounds like a vacuum leak, but only when 
the 
> fans are on! 
> 
> And finally a question about emissions: Is NOx inversely 
proportional 
> to the HC and CO. It seems that as I decrease CO and HC, the NOx 
is 
> higher, and vice versa. 
> 
> Thanks everyone! adam
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Adam 16683" <acprice1_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> > Thanks Andy and Harold. I think you are right that I may not 
have 
> > adjusted the mixture how I thought I did. I am going to do what 
> Andy 
> > said and get me a dwell meter!
> > 
> > Thanks for the help!
> > Adam Price
> > 
> > 
> > --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 10/21/2003 7:33:58 PM Eastern Daylight 
Time, 
> > acprice1_at_dml_h... writes:
> > > 
> > > > My car failed emissions for THC and CO. It passed for NOx.  
> > > > 
> > >> 
> > > Now that i finally understand the dwell meter use, let me try 
to 
> > help you.
> > ..> good luck - it took me 3 years and i'm only now getting my 
idle 
> > straightened out the way it should be.  but it's worth it to 
know 
> > everything is working AOK.
> > > 
> > > Andy




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 03:43:53 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Re Switched DeLo Grounds

*NOTE TO MODERATOR*: previous message in thread accuses me of calling
DeLo switched grounds "stupid" and "a bad thing" -- neither of which I
did -- and caustically tells me to "RFTM" (which I do rather
extensively. How does poster think I identified switched grounds
otherwise). Please allow this straightforward, non-inflammatory, and
objective response:

1) 1987 Escort is not "contemporary" of 1981 DeLorean
2) Nissan and Toyota are not American "domestic"
3) Never once said switched grounds were "stupid" or "a bad thing"
4) DeLorean definitely does not "use car body as ground"
5) Switched hot requires no more wire than switched ground, just
depends where you put switch in circuit
6) Switched ground does introduce possibility of feedback or crossover
to other circuits
7) Switched ground does require slightly different troubleshooting
technique (can't simply put ice pick light on questioned device)
8) Add to list of switched grounds: cold start valve (thermal time
switch) and idle speed microswitch

For the record:
- Am very fond of my DeLo
- Have utmost confidence in my particular DeLo's capability and
reliability
- Read many manuals in maintenance and modification of my DeLo

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Jan van de Wouw <delorean_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:41:24 -0000, Bill Robertson wrote:
> 
> >>> Note most circuits that are switched on the hot side
> >>> in domestic cars are switched on the ground in DeLo.
> >> You've said this for SO many times...
> >> WHICH circuits do you mean???
> > Courtesy lights, courtesy light timer, door lights, hood/engine
> > compartment lights, fuel pump (inertia switch), parking brake
> > indicator, just to name a FEW.
> 
> Sha I name a few other ones? Others that I've found on both my
> 1987 Ford Escort as my 1992 Nissan 100NX, as well as on a 1979
> Toyota Landcruiser and a whole lot more?
> 
> Oil-light, Oil-Gauge, Fuel-Gauge, Seatbelt-Light, ABS-Light,
> CruiseControl-Light, EGR-Light, Check Engine-Light...
> 
> Switching ground isn't that stupid, it's a way of cutting costs;
> use ground (car body) instead of yet ANOTHER wire back to the
> item that has to be powered.
> 
> There's enough wires in a car anyways; just a SIMPLE Dashboard
> allready needs over 30 wires to get every indicator and Gauge to work.
> 
> Just because you're not USED to something,
> doesn't mean it's bad thing.
> 
> I'd be inclined to say RTFM, but I know you've got them AND use them...
> 
> JAN van de Wouw
> 
> Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
> Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...
> 
> #05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000
> --------------------------------




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:08:19 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re Re: Switched DeLo Grounds

[MODERATOR NOTE: You're right, Bill.  The moderator *is* about to pull the plug on this thread.  - Mike Substelny, DML moderating team]

For some reason many people have interpreted my caution to use
different trouble shooting technique on circuits with switched ground
as a criticism of DeLorean in general. Never said such. But it *DOES*
require different approach: can't simply put an ice pick light on
questioned device. If device's ground remains hot need to start
tracing ground wires (archives are full of DeLo ground problems --
inevitable on a plastic car, but isn't that what I've maintained all
along?). Also introduces possibility of feedback and crossover from
other circuits.

IMHO does no harm to advise people otherwise familiar with similar
vintage metal bodied American automobiles of DeLo differences.

Suspect Moderator is about to pull plug on this thread...

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, mike.griese_at_dml_w... wrote:
> The reason power is switched on American cars is because
> there are gounds everywhere - the cars are steel bodied.
> You switch power to simplify the wiring harness.
> 
> Grounds are switched on the DeLorean (and most other 
> non-steel vehicles) in order to simplify and cost-reduce
> the wiring harness.
> 
> --
> Mike
> 
> > Courtesy lights, courtesy light timer, door lights, hood/engine
> > compartment lights, fuel pump (inertia switch), parking brake
> > indicator, just to name a FEW.
> > 
> > DeLo's American contemporaries were switching 12v side. 
> > 
> > Definitely wouldn't consider turn of decade Japanese import a
> > "domestic car". Has been so much cross pollination since then don't
> > know how to classify current manufactures. I lost interest in
> > automobile industry early 1980's.
> > 
> > Bill Robertson
> > #5939
> > 
> > >--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jan van de Wouw" <delorean_at_dml_h...>
wrote:
> > > --- In dmcnews, Bill Robertson wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Note most circuits that are switched on the hot side
> > > > in domestic cars are switched on the ground in DeLo.
> > > 
> > > You've said this for SO many times...
> > > WHICH circuits do you mean???
> > > 
> > > I've currently been working on installing a Digital Dashboard
> > > in my Nissan 100NX, so I've been researching its electrics
> > > thouroughly for the past weeks and one thing I noticed is
> 
> > > how much circuits on that car are switched grounds too.
> > > 
> > > Then again, I don't think you'd see a little Japanese car 
> > > as  "domestic". Would my previous Ford Escort count as 
> > > domestic? It had a LOT of similar wiring to my Nissan;
> > > I know, because I DO have wiring diagrams for that too...
> > > 
> > > Please explain,
> > > 
> > > JAN van de Wouw
> > > Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
> > > Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...
> > > 
> > > DMC-12 "Dagger" since Sep. 2000
> > > 100NX "Saphire" since Nov. 2002
> > > ------------------------------
> > > BTW, for those interested in the Dash, it looks like this:
> > > <http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/331000-331999/
> > > 331578_12_full.jpg>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> > moderators_at_dml_d...
> > 
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> > 
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> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews 
> > 
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> > 
> >




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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:30:33 -0000
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Disputing the $25,0000 rule

Aww c'mon the Zillas i can replace, suspension too if i wanted 
to....I never said i was entering concourse...i just love the car my 
way. The trophies are cool but i wouldnt take the cat across country 
just for a competition,,,i just wanted the car i dreamed of as a kid 
and aa in as good shape as i could find.




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:28:43 +1100 (EST)
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: possible fuel pump failure?

Hi Robert,
>Two questions:
> 1. How much fuel was in the tank at the time all
> this occured?
About half a tank
> 2. How hot is it outside?
Pretty warm.About 85 degrees.
I'll remove everything from the tank as Bill suggested
and hopefully it's just something like the pick up
hose.
Cheers,
Andrew
VIN 2883
Sydney,Aus.


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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:38:17 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Kayo Ong's Coil

Do you mean you bypassed DeLo factory ballast resistors?

Are you still using factory ignition module?

What is voltage into coil?

Thanks for info,

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, kayoong_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I have the same result with my DeLorean.   I have the MSD Blaster
Coil 2 Part 
> #8200 used without the resistor coil since June 2000.   I now have
logged 
> over 35,000 miles on the coil with no problems and   I do drive my
car daily.
> 
> Kayo Ong
> #5508 
> Lic 9D NY
> 
>
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> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/1/03 8:27:45 PM, malevy_nj_at_dml_y... writes:
> 
> 
> > I have had a MSD on 01860 for 2 yrs now, with no
> > problems.  I just replaced the stock coil with the
> > MSD, and made no other changes (left stock resistor,
> > and such).  Car runs great.
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:02:32 -0500
From: billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Disputing the $25,0000 rule

Andy,
What I think is also amazing is that you probably did most of the work yourself....probably up to and over 1000 hours...if everything had to be done by a shop the total would probably go to $40k+.

Mike C



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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:09:52 -0500
From: billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: stainless DMC license plate

Okay...my question of the day is the silver DMC plate that I see on ebay from time to time. Just wondering how rare they are? How much are they really worth?...they seem to go for like $40+ yet Houston sells them for like $12. Am I missing something or are there older ones that are worth more...

Mike C



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:08:58 -0500
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Disputing the $25,0000 rule

There is no $25,000 rule. The car is only worth what other people are
willing to pay for it. You dropped 30G on yours. To you, the car is worth
that much. As for me, I wouldn't even put that much on a new car.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spaceace3113 [mailto:spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:31 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Re: Disputing the $25,0000 rule
> 
> Aww c'mon the Zillas i can replace, suspension too if i wanted
> to....I never said i was entering concourse...i just love the car my
> way. The trophies are cool but i wouldnt take the cat across country
> just for a competition,,,i just wanted the car i dreamed of as a kid
> and aa in as good shape as i could find.
> 




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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:05:39 -0800 (PST)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Cooling system related howto

Im going to guess that by the number of responses ive
gotten from the last email (0). That....

1. Nobody has any experience to share about flushing /
filling the cooling system / changing hoses on the
delorean.

2. people do have experiences but arent will to share,
for the good of the howto documentation project.

3. nobody likes me :(

oh well,

   tomorrow morning is the last time im checking email
before i do the job. looks like im flyin solo.

:( jordan 11613

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:35:54 -0500
From: "Mark" <mark_at_dml_meninblack.ca>
Subject: Re: stainless DMC license plate

Mike,

I picked one up from Ebay a couple of years ago... went for about $20 US.

Mark...
(no vin yet).
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From: <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:09 AM
Subject: [DML] stainless DMC license plate


> Okay...my question of the day is the silver DMC plate that I see on ebay
from time to time. Just wondering how rare they are? How much are they
really worth?...they seem to go for like $40+ yet Houston sells them for
like $12. Am I missing something or are there older ones that are worth
more...
>
> Mike C



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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:37:46 -0500
From: Eric Itzel <eric_at_dml_seviernet.com>
Subject: D owners in the Charlotte NC area

Hey everybody
 
I'm taking a weekend trip over to Charlotte NC this weekend in my D. Any
owners in that area want to meet up? 
 
Contact me off list if interested.
 
Eric Itzel
eric_at_dml_seviernet.com <mailto:eric_at_dml_seviernet.com> 
vin 4433


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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:20:18 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Cooling system related howto

Please check the archives.  There are literally hundreds of 
posts regarding this subject.

--
Mike

> Im going to guess that by the number of responses ive
> gotten from the last email (0). That....
> 
> 1. Nobody has any experience to share about flushing /
> filling the cooling system / changing hoses on the
> delorean.
> 
> 2. people do have experiences but arent will to share,
> for the good of the howto documentation project.
> 
> 3. nobody likes me :(
> 
> oh well,
> 
>    tomorrow morning is the last time im checking email
> before i do the job. looks like im flyin solo.
> 



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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:38:40 -0600
From: Robert Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Re: Failed emissions!!!]

  Adam

>IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR CAR HAS A VOLTAGE(AMPERAGE) SUPPLY PROBLEM.  THE SOUND YOU HEAR WHEN THE FANS ENGAGE IS THE ALTERNATER GENERATING MORE POWER. THIS PUTS A STRAIN ON THE ALTERNATOR BELT AND THE BEARINGS AND BRUSHES MAKE MORE NOISE. 
>

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU INSTALLED A NEW BATTERY?  I HAVE SEEN CARS 
WITH BATTERY/ALTERNATOR PROBLEMS DO STRANGE THINGS.  I WOULD SUGGEST 
TRYING A NEW BATTERY WITH AT LEAST 900 CCA.  (YOUR DWELL VARIATION 
POINTS IN THIS DIRECTION.    I WOULD ALSO PUT ON A LARGE ALTERNATOR 
(FROM DARRYL) AND CLEAN YOUR GROUNDS.

AS FOR THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CO, HC AND NOX.  IT IS A BIT COMPLEX. 
 HOWEVER, AS THE MIXTURE BURNS MORE EFFICIENTLY, THE COMBUSTION 
TEMPERATURE INCREASES AND THE NOX DOES INCREASE.

HOWEVER, YOU CANNOT DIRECTLY MESSURE THIS AFTER THE CATALYTIC CONVERTOR 
BECAUSE IT CHANGES THE CO AND HC READINGS AND MORE MODERN CONVERTORS 
ALSO REDUCE NOX.

BOB


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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:53:52 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Cooling system related howto

Did you check

http://www.dmcnews.com/Techsection/cooling.htm

Dave


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_y...> 
wrote:
> Im going to guess that by the number of responses ive
> gotten from the last email (0). That....
> 
> 1. Nobody has any experience to share about flushing /
> filling the cooling system / changing hoses on the
> delorean.
> 
> 2. people do have experiences but arent will to share,
> for the good of the howto documentation project.
> 
> 3. nobody likes me :(





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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:04:59 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: $10,000 vs $25,000 DeLoreans

In defense of $10,000 DeLoreans:

Dollar figures in these messages may scare off potential owners with
limited funds. A fully functional DeLo CAN be had for less, but must
be aware what money is buying (no stars in eyes):

Any/Some/Most/All of following:

-Dinged or dented stainless
-Faded or peeling fascias
-Chipped wheels
-Parachuting headliners
-Cracked dashboard and/or binnacle
-Damaged seats
-Dead Speedo or other instrumentation
-No Zillas or other relay compartment improvements
-Dead door electricals
-Factory radiator & hoses
-Dead A/C

List goes on...

Fall Foliage purchases push my total investment perilously close to
$9,000. And the car looks it. But it IS reliable, safe, and enjoyable.
Of course my DeLo pales in comparison to higher dollar models, but I
harbor no illusions about that. It is the best I can do on my budget.

Am proud to participate in group DeLo events. Do not participate in
judged contests.

Bill Robertson
#5939






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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:47:17 -0800 (PST)
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Jag Shop controversey




I think that it obvious from the time you allowed the car to sit at the shop that  you have/had very little intrest or concern for it.It was wrong for the jag shop to use your vehicle as a spare parts bin just because it was there.It is not unheard of for this to happen to any vehicle left for long priods of time and no storage fees are paid.Basically the facility has a lean against your car for it being stored there so long that it was considered abandoned.I doubt that they went through the proper legal motions to make it alright though.There is a set amount of time before a vehicle can be considered abandoned it is in some cases less than a month .I am sure the jag shop has a set rate for storage of a car probably in the range of $50.00 a day if they feel like being mean.They will argue in court that they simply were trying to get some of what you owed them out of the vehicle.Even if that arguement doesnt fly how will you explain never checking on the situation until now? The judge
 will likely have no knowledge of delorean values and will see it as just another car thus your award (if any) will be small and not worth the trouble.Just stay away from the jag shop and warn others.



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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:26:39 EST
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Kayo Ong's Coil

Mr. Bill Robertson:

Nope ... I just removed the old original Bosch coil and dropped in the MSD 
coil, so the factory ballast resistor is not by passed. 

Yes, I am still using the factory ignition module, for there is no need 
change it.

No, I do not know the voltage into the coil.   I have not have the need to 
measure the input voltage, for I feel I need not be concern with it.   Since it 
is only the coil I am replacing are R&R.   I had consulted with the retail 
salesman about the MSD application in the PVR motor and the coil is a "simple" 
replacement which it was .... 20 minutes from start to finish including removal 
of the cover.   I must say, it was the simplest, easy and the cleanest task.

FYI....   I have no troubles with the ignition system.   I do a complete cap, 
rotor, spark plugs and wires changes every Spring time -- Religiously!   Do 
keep in mine I do drive my DeLorean daily in the New York City traffic and in 
the Northern New England area, in the hot and cold weather including heavy rain 
and in the snow.    My engine kicks over within two to four turns with no 
problems at all in any temperature and weather conditions.   My DeLorean has over 
102,000 miles and still counting with the MSD logging on over 35,000 of it.   
And yes, there is a difference in the coils performance, I can redline the 
tach in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear, but not the 5th.    So....

Kayo Ong
#5508
Lic 9D NY

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In a message dated 11/6/03 5:13:48 PM, brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net writes:


> Do you mean you bypassed DeLo factory ballast resistors?
> 
> Are you still using factory ignition module?
> 
> What is voltage into coil?
> 
> Thanks for info,
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> 



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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:45:00 -0600
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Re: stainless DMC license plate

They are a dime a dozen, not rare at all.

Mark
6683




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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:03:11 -0600
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Cooling system related howto

Jordan-
for the record we like you, you do good work.
I used the write up in the dmcnews about cooling flush when I did mine. I do
not have anything to add to it, though, it was pretty thorough, but yours
will be more so since it will have pics.

KUTGW.

-Kevin

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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 01:10:07 -0000
From: "TalksToGod" <5n-_at_dml_gmx.net>
Subject: DeLorean 5003 now parked

DeLorean #5003 of Ferndale/Liberty/Hurleyville, New York has just
today been put to rest. The car is now parked where it will be
repaired/overhauled and then stored over the winter (or longer?). I am
wondering if there are any other things aside from-fluid drains, the
fuel, lifting the car-that is recommended to be done (IE tortion bars
removal) before a storage. This cars been driven non-stop for over a
year with not much work needed, so it is about time to fix all that
gone bad in the span of that year and drive the 66 T-Bird!(not nearly
as great as the DeLo). Thank you all for your help and information.
Until next year, thats it for #5003.




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