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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1751
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:44 AM

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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Gullwing Option on New Lotus Elise...Can this work?
From: Jan van de Wouw <delorean_at_dml_home.nl>

2. Re: Cup Holder - ADVANCED
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. Re: Cup Holder - ADVANCED
From: Jan van de Wouw <delorean_at_dml_home.nl>

4. Dead frequency valve: Resolved.
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

5. Re: eyebrows/Fiberglass front end
From: "dmcorlando2003" <SundeQuick_at_dml_aol.com>

6. NEC show this weekend past
From: "grimsby_paul" <grimsby_paul_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>

7. New DeLorean owner; first technical question
From: Enid/Jeremiah <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. Re: Cup Holder - ADVANCED
From: PRC1216_at_dml_aol.com

9. Re: Does anyone have an active carfax account?
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

10. Re: Cup Holder - ADVANCED
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>

11. RE: Cup Holder - ADVANCED
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jack_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>

12. idle flux / stall / pickup line?
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. 1983 Delorean Vin Numbers
From: MichaelRPack1_at_dml_cs.com

14. Re: Does anyone have an active carfax account?
From: NJP548_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: Fiberglass front fascia
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

16. Starter Failed
From: "EJ Chambers" <marmieej_at_dml_yahoo.com>

17. Re: Rotten Engine Top Casting
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

18. RE: Re: Cup Holder - ADVANCED
From: "jdl_at_dml_interax.com" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>

19. RE: Starter Failed
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

20. Re: 1983 Delorean Vin Numbers
From: "ronin5030" <yahoo_at_dml_oneskydojo.com>

21. RE: idle flux / stall / pickup line?
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:17:12 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <delorean_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: Gullwing Option on New Lotus Elise...Can this work?

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:31:04 -0500, "Kevin Abato" wrote:

> the new Lotus Elise car that is set to ship in spring of 2004.
[snip]
> As it turns out, there is a company in brittain who is
> offering an aftermarket "Gullwing" option for the car.
> 
> After viewing pictures, I am wondering how this can possibly work...
[snip]
> OK...Here is what is getting me stumped:  Notice how the lift
> pistons are positioned in the CENTER of the roof panels?  How could
> it possibly close down all the way if the pistons are mounted there?

Dit you look at ALL the pictures? If you look at the following:
<http://www.autostyle-solutions.com/gallery/solutions/t_bar/pages/solutions_
t_bar_005.html> 
You'll see that the lower part of the strut is monted at the
outer most part of the body/roof ledge, just like on a DeLorean
When the top closes the strut lies allmost flat, again just like ours.
The picture from the lower front of the car has perspective fooling
you into trhinking that the struts are mounted in the middle.

> Even more strange is that this whole setup is made to be taken
> off the car when you want so that it can be driven as a T-Top.
> Wouldnt this require some tools to undo all the hardware in a
> clean looking fashion?

My Daily Driver is a Nissan 100NX T-bar (NX1600 in the USA).
It's just a matter of a couple of quick-releases, just like you'd
find on the Targa roof of a Porsche or the tops on a Honda Del Sol.
Nothing fancy and as with most "open" cars, with the top off/down
there's allways a small bit of the mechanics showing.

As for the "why" of such a roof; have you ever tried to get into
an Elise? It's REALLY low, even lower than a DeLorean I believe.
You should try to get into your D with a piece of string strung
from the windshield corner to the rear of the car, i.e. where the
roofline would be without gullwings. I bet you'll hit the string...

JAN van de Wouw

Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:23:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Cup Holder - ADVANCED

Bob,
Take a look at this cup holder:
http://205.133.7.130/images/cupholder.jpg
(don't know who's car it is, just saw it and liked it)
More simple & practical than frame cut'n. Your beverage can sweat and drip
without fear of electrical wiring. Just a wet leg of the passenger ;-) I think
its better and cheeper than the "clip on" version. 

I use the area between the seat and carpeted body of the car. Screw on 20oz-ers
are the best. Have to drive extra carefull when driving if a typical
lided-choke-n-chew cup is used.

You don't rest your arm on the console & ashtray area while driving?

Shannon Y
16506



Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:18:50 -0000
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Cup Holder - ADVANCED

We have all seen that clip on cup holder for sale, ....
>>snip<<
The idea is to either drill into the actual frame with a hole saw
and recess the cup holder down into it with a matching base.
>>snip<<

I would love to hear what people think of this idea or if anyone
has ever done this.

>>snip<<
- Videobob

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:27:24 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <delorean_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: Cup Holder - ADVANCED

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:18:50 -0000, videobob11 wrote:

> We have all seen that clip on cup holder for sale, ....
[snip]
> I have an idea but I am not sure if it will fly.
[snip]
> My idea is to remove the top of the console and ashtray,
> and custom build a new one. The idea is to either drill
> into the actual frame with a hole saw and recess the cup
> holder down into it with a matching base.

I wouldn't do this... Sawing into the backbone of the frame
is a BAD idea and just cutting into the fiberglass body under
the console would probably not give you enough clearance
AND it will let a LOT of road noise through into the cabin,
ask Martin G.!

Building one on top of the console wouldn't work either,
at least not for me; the holder would be in the way when
shifting gears.

I stumbled upon this one last night when browsing eBay for
some other stuff. I like the way it folds flat against the
side instead of dangling out from the shifter console...
<http://www.9xauto.com/images/pack1.jpg>
<http://www.9xauto.com/images/pack2.jpg>
<http://www.9xauto.com/images/pack3.jpg>

It's meant for Porsches, but IMHO with a little work the
bracket can easily be modified to fit a DeLorean, like next
to the stereo on the passenger side.

Can be bought from <http://www.9xauto.com> or currently on eBay:
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33675&ite
m=2441985870>

Good luck,

JAN van de Wouw

Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:42:43 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Dead frequency valve: Resolved.

The ECU was faulty.

I installed Bill's module. The valve now buzzes and the car ran
perfectly from the bus stop to home.


Thanks everyone. :)


Rich A. 
#5335




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:24:34 -0000
From: "dmcorlando2003" <SundeQuick_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: eyebrows/Fiberglass front end

I would be interested in a fiberglass front.  

Even the repairs that I have seen using the metal strips aren't to my 
liking over the o\long term because I have noticed that the strips 
themselves start to show on the fascia as well if the car is out in 
the sun.  Here in Florida not being in the sun & heat just isn't an 
option.

Michael
2944


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_h...> wrote:
I have considered taking one of these front peices and making
> a hard fiberglass version.
> Has anyone else ever thought of that?
> Would anyone be interested in buying one if I made them?
> I will look into it,....
> - VB





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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:25:56 -0000
From: "grimsby_paul" <grimsby_paul_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: NEC show this weekend past

I went to the show in Birmingham this past weekend to see my first 
DeLorean in person - while it was a thrill to see 3 of them in one 
place, I was a little disappointed in their presentation. One had a 
shattered back window, all the cars had dents and dings all over 
them, and tatty interiors. Not outstanding examples of the marque by 
any stretch of the imagination! Is that all that we've got here? I 
spoke with one youngish person selling parts from the "boot" of a 
DeLorean there and was led to believe that these were fine examples 
of the cars. Is this really true?

Also spoke with an older fellow who mentioned that parts are readily 
available and not terribly expensive either. If this is truly the 
case, why were these cars in such poor repair? Were there no other 
club member cars avaialble for display?

Tried to post this to the doc-uk list, but I'm not a member of their 
club, so I can't post there! I also chatted with another fellow there 
(Mark? Mike?) who pointed me to the dmcnews site and this list. Such 
a wonderful resource!

Paul Grimsby
VIN: Now looking stateside for a car!





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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:06:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Enid/Jeremiah <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: New DeLorean owner; first technical question

Hello Everyone,
 
  After a couple months absence, I just bought my DeLorean yesterday.  She is vin # 3299, and she is in quite the immaculate condition.  She already has had new fans, belts, hoses, electrical updates, factory recalls, new control pressure regulator, door struts, and air filter put on her (thank you DMC93n99 for doing all of that for me).
 
I have alot more things to do to her which I'm going to trust to the garage I have serviced with for 13 years now.  They will be adding the rest of the main service kit that I purchased.  The new parts they will put on her will be the oil filter, fuel filter, lambda sensor, sparkplugs, and other items from service kit 111143GC (PJ Grady's).  My main question:
 
When she fires up, and she fires RIGHT up, if we put any pressure on her accelerator she will die immediately.  Repeat this process about 5-7 times and she will finally run stable.  Is this a sign of bad fuel and the need to clean the fuel system?  I'm going to instruct them to take out and clean the fuel tank, and inspect and clean the rest of the fuel system.  What kind of bill am I looking at from a garage who KNOWS what they're doing.  Their rate is $60 per hour.  They have the manuals; they know exactly how to take care of the fuel system; I have complete trust in them.  Can anyone give me a "guesstimate" of a bill I may be looking at?  Thank you all for your input; I have owned her for 24 hours now to almost the exact minute, and I'm trying to get her roadworthy.  Hopefully, this will be the step that gets her on the road.


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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:11:53 EST
From: PRC1216_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Cup Holder - ADVANCED

That's an interesting idea, however I see one problem.   When I shift gears I 
sometimes bump the ash tray lid back with my elbow.   I think that having a 
hot cup of coffee back there (no matter how far recessed) is one more thing to 
knock over.   You could put it really far back, but it would be a pain to have 
to reach around and grab it while driving.   The cupholder that the DeLorean 
Motor Center (http://deloreanmotorcenter.com/_a000019_drink_holder_gray_.html) 
sells looks nice, I think that is probably the way to go.   But personally I 
enjoy the D the way it is---trying to drink something while driving is one 
distraction I don't want to deal with in my D.     :) 

Patrick
1880


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:40:14 -0500
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Does anyone have an active carfax account?

There is a promo for ONE free vin check at CARFAX..

http://www.carfax.com/cfm/promo.cfm?name=kgodigitalodo

Jim
1537


On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:47:47 EST NJP548_at_dml_aol.com writes:
> Hey List,
> 
>         Theres a car I need to run a carfax on, just wondering if 
> anyone has 
> an active carfax account that they could run a vin scan for me.  
> Please 
> contact me directly if you do.  Thanks!
> 
> Later,
> Nick


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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:36:35 -0500
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>
Subject: Re: Cup Holder - ADVANCED

Your car, no problem with me. But a thought, you may be introducing 
extra engine or road noise thru the hole. You never really notice how 
much something can be affected until it is done of course.

Samuel

>The idea is to either drill into the actual frame with a hole saw
>and recess the cup holder down into it with a matching base.
>  
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:33:01 -0500
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jack_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>
Subject: RE: Cup Holder - ADVANCED

I pull out the ashtray and wedge the cup, bottle, can whatever fits down
there.  I don't smoke and therefore don't have an issue removing it while I
drink.


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I have the clip-on cup holder and so far, it's the best solution. I don't
like that it hangs off the console, but it totally works... and looks
almost stock.

I'd thought a while ago (before the clip on cup holder came out) about
replacing the ashtray area with cup holders. After taking the console off,
I realized that there's simply no room there. Also, there are wiring
harneses that run all through that area.

-Christian

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, videobob11 wrote:

> We have all seen that clip on cup holder for sale, ....
> but nothing beats the real thing.
> I have one built into my Ford Taurus that I think is the most
> awesome cup holder ever, it was one of the main descision makers
> in buying the car! I am sure I am not the first to pick a car based on
> the cup holder!
>
> I have an idea but I am not sure if it will fly.
> I need the advise of someone who is a lot more familiar with the
> console and frame of the D.
>
> My idea is to remove the top of the console and ashtray,
> and custom build a new one.
> The idea is to either drill into the actual frame with a hole saw
> and recess the cup holder down into it with a matching base.
> I have some friends who do composite plastics and fiberglass.
> I thought if I built this new console and wrap it in the same
> leather material.
>
> If is not structually sound to do this drilling, then we could
> make a mold that rises above the console instead.
>
> I would love to hear what people think of this idea or if anyone
> has ever done this.
>
> Of course, this is for a daily driver and not for you guys who
> want to collect the car.
> I like to live in my car.
>
> What could complete a nice day driving than a cool glass of tea?
> Eh?
>
> - Videobob
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:41:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: idle flux / stall / pickup line?

Recently after driving (not cold) when I let the car idle (usually 800-900rpm) I
have been getting a weird fluctuation. The following all happens real fast: volts
drop, oil light blinks on then off, idle drops below 800 then over 1,200. If I
give it a little bit of gas or drive it, all is fine.

A few times it actually stalled upon stopping at a traffic light after exiting
the highway. Today it stalled while backing into the garage after the clutch was
depressed.

I tend to think it could be my fuel pick up line being blocked/collapsing or the
fuel pump filter being clogged. The reason I think this is because I heard a
buzzing a month back that was coming from my fuel pump/tank. I did the
"twist-the-fuel-pump-boot-trick" (thanks Ken & Josh) and that took care of the
loud buzzing. Every once and a while the buzzing will return but not for long.

Am I correct in thinking that it is my fuel pickup line not allowing enough fuel
to flow? 
Could it be something else?

Shannon Y
16506


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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:46:54 -0500
From: MichaelRPack1_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: 1983 Delorean Vin Numbers


Hi List,

I have been off of the list for a long time. It is great to be welcomed back by so many of you. Thank you and please keep in touch.

I recently purchased a 1983 Vin 20069. I was told that the car is the fifth from the last made. Is this true?
The last DMC ever made isn't that far from us here in Maryland. I think that we should organize a DMC trip to visit Carl!

There were some questions raised about the Vin numbers, parts used & options that the later 20000 VIN 1983 cars had that other lower VIN 1983's did not have. 

The car is 100% like it was from KAPAC. The car was driven from Columbus in 09-1984 to Maryland and stored. The car doesn’t have chrome muffler exhaust tips, however it has gray leather, and smooth hood with emblem. The car was stored in the basement of the original owners house. The car still has the original oil, air and belts from Renault. 
The chassis is not sprayed with tar undercoating as some 1983 cars were at the docks in New Jersey.

This car was hand picked by the original owner because it was parked near the last DMC made, the Gold car.

The original owner remembers that sales were brisk and steady during the two days that he was there to pick up his car back in 1984. The car was discounted by KAPAC for $22,500 in 1984. The sticker price was in the 30’s. That was an expensive car back then.

Please comment about your knowledge of 1983 DMC's

Sincerely,
Michael Pack
Severna Park Maryland




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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:41:28 EST
From: NJP548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Does anyone have an active carfax account?

yeah and this was the message i got:

We're sorry. An unauthorized user or referring site sent you to this link, 
and it cannot be processed.

    
thanks anyway


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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:40:00 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: Fiberglass front fascia

VB and List,

As the owner of the original CodeOne full-size fiberglass Delorean body,
I can convey some of the pro's and con's of the fiberglass front fascia.

The pro's include having a non-warping nose due to any type of heat and
the ability to mount almost anything to the fascia (such as BTTF parts).

However, there are many more con's beyond the obvious no longer stock
or OEM, with regards to keeping a Delorean all original.  Some of the con's
include difficulty mounting the fascia (custom mounting will be required),
difficulty mounting the grille to the fascia (custom mounting will be required),
as well as possible alignment issues with the fenders, hood, spoiler and
both headlights and running lights.  These are difficulties, not impossibilities.

I'm sure that CodeOne still has the molds, so you may be able to have them
make a few, however the cost of the "whole car" was quite pricey originally.
(granted, the vehicle was built in less than a month for a special display)
Check out the CodeOne website and send them an email request.

To see some photos of my CodeOne full-size fiberglass Delorean body,
check out my D projects website:  www.DeloreanMotorCars.com

Later,
Rich W.

BTW: Thanks everyone for all the offers for assistance in Brooklyn, NY


> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> I have considered taking one of these front peices and making
> > a hard fiberglass version.
> > Has anyone else ever thought of that?
> > Would anyone be interested in buying one if I made them?
> > I will look into it,....
> > - VB




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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:41:22 -0000
From: "EJ Chambers" <marmieej_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Starter Failed

Hello All:

My starter recently failed. Was able to get this confirmed when I 
pulled it out and took it down to Autozone and they verified this 
with their testing equipment.

Now I am in need of a replacement. I didnt know where the best place 
I could find a replacement would be. Ironically DeLoreans are not in 
Autozone's database. I wasnt sure if there was a cross reference part 
for the starter of would be best to order one from a parts dealer?

Has anyone been through this situation and had to replace the 
starter? I know the starter is supposed to be a reliable part that 
does not break, but when it rains it pours it seems.

Thanks in advance for any responses.
E.j.
Vin 4475




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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:42:06 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Rotten Engine Top Casting

Has been discussion about this in the past. General consensus then was
casting acts like a heat sink. Best solution was to keep the recesses
clean. Is no problem to spray water UNDER intake manifold every time
you clean engine (access on either side of water pump). Whenever
intake off car should DEFINITELY clean them out. I used a turkey
baster to suck up heavier particles.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> Lance and Group, I got called over to a shop here in Dallas that an
81 was
> getting water in the oil and the car had an oily smell. After a
couple of
> hours looking, we found the block was cracked in the square pockets
below
> the internal water pipe. After it was all cleaned up, it was welded and
> everything is ok. Big scare for the customer but cost under $100.00
to have
> an aluminum welder come over. My question or statement is, did water
fill up
> the holes or pockets and freeze and that was what cracked the block.
> Would it be prudent to fill the holes with silicone or something to
prevent
> water from standing.
> John Hervey
> www.specialtauto.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Hill [mailto:skaife_hrt2001_at_dml_y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 12:24 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DML] MORE 'D' BLUES
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Lance,
> 
> In regard to you posting on your problem with the oil in the coolant, I
> assume that it is your head that is carcked. I might be wrong.
> 
> If you want to be 100% sure what the prob is and how to fix it I
strongly
> recommend that you contact the Delorean Motor Compay in Houston,
Texas USA
> via www.delorean.com, they will be able to sort out your problem and
help
> with parts.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> Sydney Australia
> 
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:46:05 -0500
From: "jdl_at_dml_interax.com" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Cup Holder - ADVANCED

It looks identical to the cup holder from my early 90's Celica... it is a
pop out unit...my guess is that you can pick one up in a junkyard or from a
Toyota dealer.

David Levey
Cleveland, Ohio

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From: Shannon Yocom ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:23:28 -0800 (PST)
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Cup Holder - ADVANCED


Bob,
Take a look at this cup holder:
http://205.133.7.130/images/cupholder.jpg
(don't know who's car it is, just saw it and liked it)
More simple & practical than frame cut'n. Your beverage can sweat and drip
without fear of electrical wiring. Just a wet leg of the passenger ;-) I
think
its better and cheeper than the "clip on" version. 

I use the area between the seat and carpeted body of the car. Screw on
20oz-ers
are the best. Have to drive extra carefull when driving if a typical
lided-choke-n-chew cup is used.

You don't rest your arm on the console & ashtray area while driving?

Shannon Y
16506



Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:18:50 -0000
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Cup Holder - ADVANCED

We have all seen that clip on cup holder for sale, ....
>>snip<<
The idea is to either drill into the actual frame with a hole saw
and recess the cup holder down into it with a matching base.
>>snip<<

I would love to hear what people think of this idea or if anyone
has ever done this.

>>snip<<
- Videobob

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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:17:46 -0800
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Starter Failed

E.J. It's on the web site.I have hem in stock.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: EJ Chambers [mailto:marmieej_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:41 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Starter Failed


Hello All:

My starter recently failed. Was able to get this confirmed when I
pulled it out and took it down to Autozone and they verified this
with their testing equipment.

Now I am in need of a replacement. I didnt know where the best place
I could find a replacement would be. Ironically DeLoreans are not in
Autozone's database. I wasnt sure if there was a cross reference part
for the starter of would be best to order one from a parts dealer?

Has anyone been through this situation and had to replace the
starter? I know the starter is supposed to be a reliable part that
does not break, but when it rains it pours it seems.

Thanks in advance for any responses.
E.j.
Vin 4475



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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:30:55 -0000
From: "ronin5030" <yahoo_at_dml_oneskydojo.com>
Subject: Re: 1983 Delorean Vin Numbers

I am in the process of purchasing a Canadian 1983 (Vin 17084). The 
original owner told me a Cadillac dealership in Oakville Ontario was 
buying as many Canadian models as they could from KAPAC.  He and 2 of 
his friends drove down and each purchased one. 

The strange thing is that I have been told, and have read, there were 
only between 80 and 100 made for the Canadian market (stickers, 
speedo, etc) but the range of Vin #'s I have been able to find seem 
to indicate over 200. 

When I complete the purchase I intend on documenting as much of the 
car as I can and will post a link (probably along with lots of 
questions!) 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, MichaelRPack1_at_dml_c... wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> I have been off of the list for a long time. It is great to be 
welcomed back by so many of you. Thank you and please keep in touch.
> 
> I recently purchased a 1983 Vin 20069. I was told that the car is 
the fifth from the last made. Is this true?
> The last DMC ever made isn't that far from us here in Maryland. I 
think that we should organize a DMC trip to visit Carl!
> 
> There were some questions raised about the Vin numbers, parts used 
& options that the later 20000 VIN 1983 cars had that other lower VIN 
1983's did not have. 
> 
> The car is 100% like it was from KAPAC. The car was driven from 
Columbus in 09-1984 to Maryland and stored. The car doesnâ??t have 
chrome muffler exhaust tips, however it has gray leather, and smooth 
hood with emblem. The car was stored in the basement of the original 
owners house. The car still has the original oil, air and belts from 
Renault. 
> The chassis is not sprayed with tar undercoating as some 1983 cars 
were at the docks in New Jersey.
> 
> This car was hand picked by the original owner because it was 
parked near the last DMC made, the Gold car.
> 
> The original owner remembers that sales were brisk and steady 
during the two days that he was there to pick up his car back in 
1984. The car was discounted by KAPAC for $22,500 in 1984. The 
sticker price was in the 30â??s. That was an expensive car back then.
> 
> Please comment about your knowledge of 1983 DMC's
> 
> Sincerely,
> Michael Pack
> Severna Park Maryland




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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:29:51 -0800
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: idle flux / stall / pickup line?

Shannon, What is happening to the electrical side when this happens. The
fuel pump is an electric motor. When Your idling and the voltage drops the
fuel pump will slow down and your fuel pressure will drop and go down also.
It may look like a pump/fuel problem, but you said it was ok when you race
up the engine a little. Then voltage also goes up from the alternator and
your ok. Is the battery light coming on. If so then the voltage is dropping
so low the car thinks you have shut it off.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Shannon Yocom [mailto:ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:42 PM
To: DMC - DML News Post'n
Subject: [DML] idle flux / stall / pickup line?


Recently after driving (not cold) when I let the car idle (usually
800-900rpm) I
have been getting a weird fluctuation. The following all happens real fast:
volts
drop, oil light blinks on then off, idle drops below 800 then over 1,200. If
I
give it a little bit of gas or drive it, all is fine.

A few times it actually stalled upon stopping at a traffic light after
exiting
the highway. Today it stalled while backing into the garage after the clutch
was
depressed.

I tend to think it could be my fuel pick up line being blocked/collapsing or
the
fuel pump filter being clogged. The reason I think this is because I heard a
buzzing a month back that was coming from my fuel pump/tank. I did the
"twist-the-fuel-pump-boot-trick" (thanks Ken & Josh) and that took care of
the
loud buzzing. Every once and a while the buzzing will return but not for
long.

Am I correct in thinking that it is my fuel pickup line not allowing enough
fuel
to flow?
Could it be something else?

Shannon Y
16506


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