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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1758
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 4:42 AM

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There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: High idle (not linkage)
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

2. Re: Delorean Cold ..er..."Ocassional" starting
From: "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

3. Video Swap???
From: "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

4. Re: High idle (not linkage)
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

5. Re: Delorean Cold ..er..."Ocassional" starting
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

6. Need your D relocated?
From: Tony Pistachio <TheStash_at_dml_optonline.net>

7. RE: Delorean Cold ..er..."Ocassional" starting
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

8. Re: Delorean Cold ..er..."Ocassional" starting
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 01:20:05 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: High idle (not linkage)

Christian

Probably the little black idle control computer behind the drivers 
seat, has two connectors. When it goes to the high-idle condition, 
reach back there and unplug it. If the idle settles down (or even 
dies) the box has failed.

Dave

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_f...> 
wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I was holding off on posting this problem until I had my o2 sensor
> replaced, which I did this morning.
> 
> The problem is that when I start the car up, it idles fine. After 
driving
> 25 minutes on the highway to work though, it idles around 1500 RPM. 
I've
> 
> What else should I check?
> 
> Thanks,
> Christian




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:52:51 -0800
From: "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Cold ..er..."Ocassional" starting

The RPM relay shuts off the fuel pump if it doesn't sense the engine running
within a limited time frame. By turning the ignition off and then retrying
you start the cycle again and the pump runs again for a short time. If the
car has sat for a long time a couple of short bursts of the starter with
ignition off in between will work while continual cranking won't. I wouldn't
keep a maintainer on the battery myself as the constant electrical current
coupled with the variety of dissimilar metals in the engine could create an
electrolysis condition that could work at corroding the engines interior
castings. A battery cutoff switch would be much better in my oppinion.

Bruce Benson
>Subject: [DML] Delorean Cold ..er..."Ocassional" starting


> Had a tech question - My car seems to run fine...once it gets
> running. I have to admin I don't drive it a whole lot, and I usually
> keep it on a maintainer when it's in storage. However, if it's
> sitting, for say a few weeks... I go to start the car, it turns over
> just fine, but it's as if it's not getting enough gas.  Giving it
> gas or just letting it crank doesn't do anything beneficial... But
> if you turn the ignition, let it crank for a couple seconds, then
> shut if off, then crank for a couple more seconds, and repeat
> several times, eventually it gets happy, starts to sound like it's
> trying to actually start up rather than endless cranking, and
> eventually 'catches' and starts running where it goes into a nice
> smooth startup cycle, and idles and runs cleanly after that. > Pete





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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:58:27 -0800
From: "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Video Swap???

The two hour pilot of the old Matt Houston show from 1981 had the hero
driving all over L.A. in his DeLorean. I suspect either John DeLorean knew
someone connected to the production or the company paid to have them use the
car. In any event the car got a lot of air time during the two hours. I
found a vhs tape of the show after a lot of looking and would like to trade a
copy to someone in return for them making a dvd copy of the tape for me. If
anyone has the where-with-all to make a dvd from this tape and is interested let me know and we'll work it out. Please email me privately.

Bruce Benson




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 02:34:31 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: High idle (not linkage)

I agree with David - Sounds like the vacuum hoses are routed 
incorrectly from the thremo vacuum switch.

Harold McElraft - 3354

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> 
wrote:
> Check the vacuum advance system. Make sure it is operating properly
> and the hoses are hooked up right and there are no leaks. You could
> also put a timing light on the motor to make sure the system is 
set right.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_f...> 
wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > 
> 
> 
> > What else should I check?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Christian




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 03:31:10 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean Cold ..er..."Ocassional" starting

This is going to take a little troubleshooting. I am guessing a
problem with the RPM relay, a weak fuel pump, a kinked or bad fuel
pick-up hose, or a combination of the above. It could also be a
problem with the bypass relay for the ballast resistor, weak coil,
cold start valve system, worn plugs, bad ignition wires. Start with
the fuel tank. Drain and inspect it and and all the parts inside.
Next, when you try to start it cold watch the fuel pump to see how
long it runs. It should run for more than a couple of seconds. Next
see if there is power on the cold start valve while the engine is
cranking.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "pbartusek" <pbmain_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> Had a tech question - My car seems to run fine...once it gets 
> running. I have to admin I don't drive it a whole lot, and I usually 
> keep it on a maintainer when it's in storage. However, if it's 
> sitting, for say a few weeks... I go to start the car, it turns over 
> just fine, but it's as if it's not getting enough gas.  Giving it 





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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:20:43 -0500
From: Tony Pistachio <TheStash_at_dml_optonline.net>
Subject: Need your D relocated?

Hi all,
Does anybody need their DeLorean - or any car - driven up one-way from
Florida (Tampa Area) to New York (Poughkeepsie area)?

This may sound strange but I will be needing a one-way ride (I don't fly)
from FL to NY around the second week in January. I'm planning on renting a
car but thought I'd throw this offer out there.

If not does anybody know of a good place to post this kind of question?

I'm over 40 years old and haven't a mark on my license. I'll treat any car
very carefully - as if it were my own. Of course no charge.

References available.
Thanks,
t

Tony Pistachio
#10781 STSSTEEL
Wappingers Falls, NY





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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:05:16 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Delorean Cold ..er..."Ocassional" starting

I had the SAME problem with my car.  Turns out the battery was going on
me.  Once I replaced it, the problem went away.  Strangely enough, it
SEEMED like the car was ok because it was cranking, but it could not get
enough juice to catch.  Once it ran for a while, it was charged enough
to run and start for the rest of the day, or the next day.  Let it sit
for 4-5 days or more, and I was back in the same situation.

Kevin Abato
Vin# 16680

-----Original Message-----
From: pbartusek [mailto:pbmain_at_dml_mindspring.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:30 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Delorean Cold ..er..."Ocassional" starting


Had a tech question - My car seems to run fine...once it gets 
running. I have to admin I don't drive it a whole lot, and I usually 
keep it on a maintainer when it's in storage. However, if it's 
sitting, for say a few weeks... I go to start the car, it turns over 
just fine, but it's as if it's not getting enough gas.  Giving it 
gas or just letting it crank doesn't do anything beneficial... But 
if you turn the ignition, let it crank for a couple seconds, then 
shut if off, then crank for a couple more seconds, and repeat 
several times, eventually it gets happy, starts to sound like it's 
trying to actually start up rather than endless cranking, and 
eventually 'catches' and starts running where it goes into a nice 
smooth startup cycle, and idles and runs cleanly after that.  It 
never varies... meaning, if it sits for a while, it takes just as 
long to start it every time..it's not something that 'may start 
right away'...it's always a couple minutes of this process.

If I go driving around for a while and then shut it off and go to 
start it again, it starts right up.  Let it sit for the rest of the 
day, it still starts up just fine.  It just doesn't like prolonged 
periods of sitting.  I'm just trying to figure out what technically 
may be causing this issue, so I can find a way around having to do 
the circus act with the starter...it's definitely not helping the 
longevity of the starter...:)

Pete



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 02:42:35 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Cold ..er..."Ocassional" starting

I don't know the type of battery you have, but convential batteries 
on a charger will release a vapor that will corrode the contacts in 
the relay compartment just above the battery. I would be suspect of 
the connections in the relay compartment, especially at the RPM 
relay.

Harold McElraft - 3354

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> The RPM relay shuts off the fuel pump if it doesn't sense the 
engine running
> within a limited time frame. By turning the ignition off and then 
retrying
> you start the cycle again and the pump runs again for a short 
time. If the
> car has sat for a long time a couple of short bursts of the 
starter with
> ignition off in between will work while continual cranking won't. 
I wouldn't
> keep a maintainer on the battery myself as the constant electrical 
current
> coupled with the variety of dissimilar metals in the engine could 
create an
> electrolysis condition that could work at corroding the engines 
interior
> castings. A battery cutoff switch would be much better in my 
oppinion.
> 
> Bruce Benson
> >Subject: [DML] Delorean Cold ..er..."Ocassional" starting
> 
> 
> > Had a tech question - My car seems to run fine...once it gets
> > running. I have to admin I don't drive it a whole lot, and I 
usually
> > keep it on a maintainer when it's in storage. However, if it's
> > sitting, for say a few weeks... I go to start the car, it turns 
over
> > just fine, but it's as if it's not getting enough gas.  Giving it
> > gas or just letting it crank doesn't do anything beneficial... 
But
> > if you turn the ignition, let it crank for a couple seconds, then
> > shut if off, then crank for a couple more seconds, and repeat
> > several times, eventually it gets happy, starts to sound like 
it's
> > trying to actually start up rather than endless cranking, and
> > eventually 'catches' and starts running where it goes into a nice
> > smooth startup cycle, and idles and runs cleanly after that. > 
Pete




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