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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1760
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:05 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: California Car Covers
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>

2. Antenna production question
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

3. Re: Antenna production question
From: "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

4. Re: California Car Covers
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

5. Re: Antenna production question
From: Eric Itzel <eric_at_dml_seviernet.com>

6. RE: Antenna production question
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>

7. Welcome Videobob - VIN # 5278
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

8. Delorean Destruction
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

9. Antenna production question - not answered
From: "Dee Moats" <Dee-Moats_at_dml_excite.com>

10. Re: Antenna production question
From: "Bill Lane" <blane_at_dml_triad.rr.com>

11. Sheared Brass Manifold Screws
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

12. Re: Re: Dealing with Valeo.
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. Re: Antenna production question
From: 10120mdb <debruin_at_dml_dia.eur.nl>

14. Re: BAE single turbo exhaust questions
From: "Donald L. Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

15. Car Covers
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

16. Re: Antenna production question
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

17. Re: Re: California Car Covers
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

18. Re: Delorean Destruction
From: "Michael C. Babb" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>

19. Re: Antenna production question
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

20. Re: Delorean Destruction
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

21. Re: Welcome Videobob - VIN # 5278
From: Eric Itzel <eric_at_dml_seviernet.com>

22. Re: Sheared Brass Manifold Screws
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

23. Re: Delorean Destruction
From: "dmcorlando2003" <SundeQuick_at_dml_aol.com>

24. Re: Delorean Destruction
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

25. RE: Delorean Destruction
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:04:48 -0500
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>
Subject: Re: California Car Covers

Ya, I knew this and just wondered if they thought all 81's had an 
antenna hole. I actually have it located in the back so no issue with 
me. Just didnt want to get an 81 and have a hole in it.

Samuel

Bill Lane wrote:

>Samuel,
>
>I have been using a California car cover for years.  The cover fits very
>well but you will have to make a hole for the antenna.  The instructions
>that come with the cover explain the proper way to make the hole if I
>remember correctly.
>
>By the way 1981's had all three variations of antenna location (in the
>windshield, the right front fender and left rear retractable).  This is
>probably why they did not automatically put a hole in for the antenna.
>
>Bill Lane
>#3635
>
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:10:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Antenna production question

Ok, I know that the early cars had the not so great windshield antennas; the mid-'81 cars had fender antennas; and all the cars from late '81 on had the retractable antennas that popped out of the rear quarter panel vents. But what's the VIN cut off for each? I can't say I've ever seen a D with a fender antenna... and I know I've seen at least 100+ DeLoreans by now. Are they the rarest?

Louie Golden
VIN 5252 (with the retractable antenna...)
Charlotte, NC

(1 month and 1,000 trouble free miles and counting!) 

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:53:13 -0800
From: "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Antenna production question

My car is a late '81, vin 6938, and I bought it new. The dealer had about 20
DeLoreans on his lot and they were mixed '81's and '82's. Mine has a fender
antenna as did all the '81's on the lot. The '82's had the retractable
antenna. I've seen many vin numbers earlier than mine with the retractable
antenna so I really can't explain why mine had the fender version. I think a
lot was done in the quality assurance centers and I'd guess a lot of mixing
and matching went on there. I owned my car for a couple of years before I
finally caught a fender in the right light to see that a bit of repair had
been done on it before it was shipped to the dealer.

Bruce Benson


> Ok, I know that the early cars had the not so great >windshield antennas;
the mid-'81 cars had fender >antennas; and all the cars from late '81 on had
the >retractable antennas that popped out of the rear quarter >panel vents.
But what's the VIN cut off for each? I can't >say I've ever seen a D with a
fender antenna... and I >know I've seen at least 100+ DeLoreans by now. Are
>they the rarest?
>
> Louie Golden
> VIN 5252 (with the retractable antenna...)
> Charlotte, NC





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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:18:58 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: California Car Covers

I think you meant the RIGHT front fender. I am wondering out loud here
but it should be possible to put a power retractable antennae into the
front right fender, that would solve the cover problem and use the
hole in the fender to it's best. They make some very compact power
antennae units now that weren't available back in the 80's. BTW even
with a hole in the cover for the antennae it is awkward to put a cover
on and take off with the antennae, it is probably best to not make the
hole and just remove the antennae as you already do.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_m...>
wrote:
> My cover does not have a hole for my left front fender antenna.
> 
> I unscrew and remove the antenna before using my cover.
> 
> Scott Mueller
> 002981
> RNDOLA
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Samuel [mailto:samuel_yahoo_at_dml_l...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 5:11 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com





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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:52:05 -0500
From: Eric Itzel <eric_at_dml_seviernet.com>
Subject: Re: Antenna production question

as a "me too", my car (vin 4433) has a retractable antenna.

Eric Itzel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Antenna production question


> My car is a late '81, vin 6938, and I bought it new. The dealer had about
20
> DeLoreans on his lot and they were mixed '81's and '82's. Mine has a
fender
> antenna as did all the '81's on the lot. The '82's had the retractable
> antenna. I've seen many vin numbers earlier than mine with the retractable
> antenna so I really can't explain why mine had the fender version. I think
a
> lot was done in the quality assurance centers and I'd guess a lot of
mixing
> and matching went on there. I owned my car for a couple of years before I
> finally caught a fender in the right light to see that a bit of repair had
> been done on it before it was shipped to the dealer.
>
> Bruce Benson
>
>
> > Ok, I know that the early cars had the not so great >windshield
antennas;
> the mid-'81 cars had fender >antennas; and all the cars from late '81 on
had
> the >retractable antennas that popped out of the rear quarter >panel
vents.
> But what's the VIN cut off for each? I can't >say I've ever seen a D with
a
> fender antenna... and I >know I've seen at least 100+ DeLoreans by now.
Are
> >they the rarest?
> >
> > Louie Golden
> > VIN 5252 (with the retractable antenna...)
> > Charlotte, NC
>
>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:43:23 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>
Subject: RE: Antenna production question

Louie,

2981 has the right front fender antenna.  If you were at Rock n roll hall of
fame show or Memphis you would have seen my car.  A lot of people have the
front fender hole welded closed and install the rear power antenna.

Scott Mueller
002981
RNDOLA


-----Original Message-----
From: Louie Golden [mailto:louie_at_dml_delorean.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:10 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Antenna production question


Ok, I know that the early cars had the not so great windshield antennas; the
mid-'81 cars had fender antennas; and all the cars from late '81 on had the
retractable antennas that popped out of the rear quarter panel vents. But
what's the VIN cut off for each? I can't say I've ever seen a D with a
fender antenna... and I know I've seen at least 100+ DeLoreans by now. Are
they the rarest?

Louie Golden
VIN 5252 (with the retractable antenna...)
Charlotte, NC

(1 month and 1,000 trouble free miles and counting!) 




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:49:51 -0000
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Welcome Videobob - VIN # 5278

Yesterday was the big day, the car I was looking at here locally in
Dallas was on eBay, I was up early with every alarm in the house set
to remind me of the auction. I was poised and ready to pounce.
At the last second, I won the auction for $15,000.00
I picked up the car a few hours later!

In my driveway is now a minty 81 Automatic.
The interior is perfect, soft and supple gray leather with no cracks
or tears, no dents or dings, so far everything is working good except
for a few little things shich I will get to in future posts.

I would post a picture, but you guys know what it looks like!

Now that I have it, I am sure everyone will be hearing more from me!
Not only will I be doing some custom work on this car, It will be
featured in my new documentery and all of you will be meeting me
at future events.

Glad to be in the club!

Videobob
VIN#5278




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:08:52 -0000
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Delorean Destruction

As I said in the previous post, I have this pristine like new car.
It has been kept in a controlled garage it's whole life.
It is like I am getting an almost new car.
I don't deserve it.
Unfortunatly, I don't have a garage to put it it, or even a car port
to park it under! (GASP!)
It will be sitting out under the sun, rain, whatever the north Texas
weather throws at it.
I know it is doomed.

I am hoping that some of you can give me the best tips of how to
protect the dash and interior from cracking, warping, etc.
What is the best stuff to use?
I already know to avoid Armour All, but I would like to know about 
some specific bottles of stuff to use.

I will be getting some sort of a winshield cover to help keep the sun
out, the side windows have been tinted with a mirror type tint and it
looks great!

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NOW FOR PROBLEMS:
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(1)
The passenger window does not close all the way, it goes up to about
1/4" of an inch and stops. Any suggestions anyone?

(2)
Wobbly steering wheel.
I have tightend the wheel as much as I can, but it seems to be loose
by about 1/4" up to 1/2" and makes a "tick tick" noise on bumps!
Drives me crazy!
I assume that the famous nylon bushings that everyone sells is for
thie problem? How are they installed? Is it difficult to install?

(3)
Dome lights.
Are the dome lights supposed to come on when the doors open?
I have put new bulbs in and they come on when they are manually
operated, so I suppose that the problem would be the switch on the
side of the doors?
I know that the switch that operates the divers side door warning
lights are sticky and if you giggle it the lights come on.
However this doesn't work on the other switches, so I am not sure
of the source.
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Your help is appreciated.
More to come!
- Videobob
VIN#5278




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:05:56 -0500 (EST)
From: "Dee Moats" <Dee-Moats_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Antenna production question - not answered

 My first D that I lost in Tropical Storm Allison in 2001 (4434) had a retractable antenna and my new car (3342) has a front fender antenna.  I much prefer the retractable even though I had to replace it once and fix it twice during my 19 years as owner.  Dee Moats



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:23:16 -0500
From: "Bill Lane" <blane_at_dml_triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Antenna production question

Louie,

My car has a fender antenna and you've seen it!

Bill Lane
#3635




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:20:11 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Sheared Brass Manifold Screws

Re: past posts from owners with snapped off manifold screws:

According to just received Volvo 260 CI manual:

B28F used "shear-head" balancing screws. Are designed to snap off
easily when snugged down.

Idle inlet screw never shear-head.

Since all three ports are identical: if owner with sheared off screws
wants to use them, can substitute two inlet screws. Should be easy to
remove sheared threads since over-torquing was not cause.

Bill Robertson
#5939





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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:12:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Dealing with Valeo.

Does anyone have a contact _at_dml_ centerforce?  I called
and spoke to someone who said they would get right
back to me..  That was over 2 weeks ago!  Now, I only
get voice mail for him.. and he never calls back.

Funny, I got the exact same response from Valeo as I
did from Centerforce..  "Sure, we can help you with
that!!  We will call you back in a few days", then
NOTHING.


--- Dave Swingle <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com> wrote:
> Marc
> 
> Actually I think that Centerforce has been the one
> doing custom 
> clutch work. Did you try them? www.centerforce.com
> if I'm not 
> mistaken. 
> 


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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:03:40 +0100
From: 10120mdb <debruin_at_dml_dia.eur.nl>
Subject: Re: Antenna production question

Until a few weeks ago I owned VIN 06881, it had the right front fender
antenna. Another guy over here ownes VIN 6831 and he also has a fender
antenna.
Someone drove against the right side of my car in March so I had a big
dent in my fender and it needed to be replaced. We ordered one without
an antenna hole so there's one more less D with a fender antenna.
Even over here we tried to find out which vin numbers were made with
what kind of antenna but there's no real line to measure on.
I heard that after it was obvious the window antenna's weren't so great,
you could let it be replaced with a fender antenna or a quarter panel
antenna. The fender antenna was a cheaper option then the electrical
quarter panel antenna so it was al up to the owner at that time.
I don't know if it's correct but it would explain the variety of antenna
options throughout the vin numbers.

Mads
Netherlands
VIN#02010 (with window antenna, which is not too bad!)


Louie Golden wrote:
> 
> Ok, I know that the early cars had the not so great windshield antennas; the mid-'81 cars had fender antennas; and all the cars from late '81 on had the retractable antennas that popped out of the rear quarter panel vents. But what's the VIN cut off for each? I can't say I've ever seen a D with a fender antenna... and I know I've seen at least 100+ DeLoreans by now. Are they the rarest?
> 
> Louie Golden
> VIN 5252 (with the retractable antenna...)
> Charlotte, NC
> 
> (1 month and 1,000 trouble free miles and counting!)
> 
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:16:00 -0800
From: "Donald L. Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: BAE single turbo exhaust questions

Daniel,

I have two BAE single turbo cars. On both I changed the after turbo 
plumbing. One has a bullet glasspack only and the other has a catalitic 
converter only. The glasspack has the better sound and looks clean. The 
Cat car has a lot more rumble and resonance at all times in the car. 
Both sound "sporty" and I will not be changing any thing about them 
soon. The Cat car was a Calif. car and passed emissions several times 
there. The Glasspack car is in Idaho. Both are single right side outlet 
with fake left tip. Both are candidates for nicer Stainless Tips. 
Because of the aftermarket wheels making the car look more aggressive, I 
prefer the more aggressive sound.

Don Ekhoff



dmeester wrote:

>My car has the single BAE turbo installed.  It has 23K on it, and it 
>looks like this turbo was installed years ago.  I love the 
>performance of the car.  Here is my problem.  I don't like the 
>exhaust.  I don't like the sound or the looks.  When converting the 
>car to the single turbo they replaced the mufler to a single tail 
>pipe.  The mufler is starting to rust since it's not stainless and it 
>just doesn't look or sound good.  I would like to have more of a 
>performance sound as well as stainless with dual exhaust pipes.  What 
>kind of setup is available?  What do others with a single BAE turbo 
>have?  I realize that the turbo has limited the space, that's why 
>mine was probably modified.  Thanks in advance for any help on this.
>
>Daniel
>
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:37:57 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Car Covers


Re: current car cover discussions:

CoverCraft makes DeLo covers that fit like a glove. Even have mirror
pockets. Four fabric choices. Three color choices.

Best part: Dave Stragand has recently become CoverCraft distributor.
Can buy from him and support Vixen.

Bill Robertson
#5939





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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:21:59 -0000
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Antenna production question

I don't know the VIN that it took effect, but in the service updates
book I have from Delorean-One you will find dealer instructions on how
to take a hole saw and cut a hole in the fender, and route the antenna
wire to the stereo.
It doesn't explain why this is done or on what VIN's.
I suppose that this is to fix poor reception on windsheild mounted
antennas. I never thought that those worked well.
It could be that maybe replacement windshields with built in antennas
may not have been available and they had to add the antenna.
But they were NOT installed at the factory, they were added by the
dealers as per this paper I am looking at.

I have seen these fender antennas, and they look horrible.
The best antenna I have see was tilted back and mounted on the of the
louver. It looked clean.

- Videobob
VIN# 5278




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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:27:25 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: California Car Covers

Very doubtful. You'd have to cut an awful lot of stuctural fibreglass 
out underneath the fender - as it is, the manual antenna requires a 1.5" 
(ish) hole drilled to a depth of approx 18".

1458 Windscreen antenna only
2727 fender & w/s antenna
4426 (sept 81) electric antenna
6986 fender antenna
12171 (right-hand prototype) fender antenna, now filled but no space 
where the electric one would go because of additional brake servo - FWIW
Some right handers also have "bee-sting" antennas on the front of the 
T-panel, all factory original.

I have not taken the fender off my project car, 4426, but it may well 
have had a new fender. The PO was fanatical about it. If it has, it'll 
have a mahoosive hole underneath!

Martin

David Teitelbaum wrote:

>I think you meant the RIGHT front fender. I am wondering out loud here
>but it should be possible to put a power retractable antennae into the
>front right fender, that would solve the cover problem and use the
>hole in the fender to it's best. They make some very compact power
>antennae units now that weren't available back in the 80's. BTW even
>with a hole in the cover for the antennae it is awkward to put a cover
>on and take off with the antennae, it is probably best to not make the
>hole and just remove the antennae as you already do.
>David Teitelbaum
>vin 10757
>  
>







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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:37:57 -0500
From: "Michael C. Babb" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Destruction

I have heard of people putting sunscreen on the dash to protect it, but have never tried this myself.

The dome lights are configured for three settings, off, on, and on when the doors are open. . . if you figure out which way is "on" and the other settings will not operate with the doors open, then you have some electrical issues to work out.

Good luck!

Michael Babb

Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:30 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
cc: 
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: [DML] Delorean Destruction

As I said in the previous post, I have this pristine like new car.
It has been kept in a controlled garage it's whole life.
It is like I am getting an almost new car.
I don't deserve it.
Unfortunatly, I don't have a garage to put it it, or even a car port
to park it under! (GASP!)
It will be sitting out under the sun, rain, whatever the north Texas
weather throws at it.
I know it is doomed.

I am hoping that some of you can give me the best tips of how to
protect the dash and interior from cracking, warping, etc.
What is the best stuff to use?
I already know to avoid Armour All, but I would like to know about 
some specific bottles of stuff to use.

I will be getting some sort of a winshield cover to help keep the sun
out, the side windows have been tinted with a mirror type tint and it
looks great!

----------------------------------------------------------------------
NOW FOR PROBLEMS:
----------------------------------------------------------------------

(1)
The passenger window does not close all the way, it goes up to about
1/4" of an inch and stops. Any suggestions anyone?

(2)
Wobbly steering wheel.
I have tightend the wheel as much as I can, but it seems to be loose
by about 1/4" up to 1/2" and makes a "tick tick" noise on bumps!
Drives me crazy!
I assume that the famous nylon bushings that everyone sells is for
thie problem? How are they installed? Is it difficult to install?

(3)
Dome lights.
Are the dome lights supposed to come on when the doors open?
I have put new bulbs in and they come on when they are manually
operated, so I suppose that the problem would be the switch on the
side of the doors?
I know that the switch that operates the divers side door warning
lights are sticky and if you giggle it the lights come on.
However this doesn't work on the other switches, so I am not sure
of the source.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Your help is appreciated.
More to come!
- Videobob
VIN#5278



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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:39:11 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Antenna production question

In a message dated 11/19/03 8:45:12 AM Central Standard Time, 
louie_at_dml_delorean.com writes:

> Ok, I know that the early cars had the not so great windshield antennas; 
> the mid-'81 cars had fender antennas; and all the cars from late '81 on had the 
> retractable antennas that popped out of the rear quarter panel vents. But 
> what's the VIN cut off for each? I can't say I've ever seen a D with a fender 
> antenna... and I know I've seen at least 100+ DeLoreans by now. Are they the 
> rarest?

My car is 11596 and it has a windsheild antenna AND rear retractable!  I 
suppose the glass was broken and replaced before it was sold the first time.

Andy


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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:03:19 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Delorean Destruction

In a message dated 11/19/03 1:44:52 PM Central Standard Time, 
videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:

> (1)
> The passenger window does not close all the way, it goes up to about
> 1/4" of an inch and stops. Any suggestions anyone?

Sounds like a motor problem.  Open up the door by removing the upper and 
lower trim panels (buy a fir-tree clip pry tool first) and observe the window 
going up and down.  a new regulator is probably needed.


> (2)
> Wobbly steering wheel.
> I have tightend the wheel as much as I can, but it seems to be loose
> by about 1/4" up to 1/2" and makes a "tick tick" noise on bumps!
> Drives me crazy!
> I assume that the famous nylon bushings that everyone sells is for
> thie problem? How are they installed? Is it difficult to install?

Look under the dash behind the pedal box where the column goes thru the 
firewall. there is probably a black rubber bushing split into pieces and you might 
see fiberglass dust below the hole where the column rubs.  to fix, you need to 
remove the binnacle, the knee pads, and the complete steering column by 
seperating the U-joints at the intermediate shaft (near the rack and pinion).  a 
new nylon bushing will do the trick to fix that. another probably could be the 
collapsable cage is broken or cracked and ratting around, but you said the 
wheel itself is moving, so i think the bushing is the problem.


> 
> (3)
> Dome lights.
> Are the dome lights supposed to come on when the doors open?
> I have put new bulbs in and they come on when they are manually
> operated, so I suppose that the problem would be the switch on the
> side of the doors?
> I know that the switch that operates the divers side door warning
> lights are sticky and if you giggle it the lights come on.
> However this doesn't work on the other switches, so I am not sure
> of the source.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

Does your door ajar light or door running lights work properly? that will 
tell you if the switches are working or not unless you have disconnected wires at 
the diodes (near your foot at the gas pedal in those bright blue and red 
plastic tubes) or perhaps your lights are wired wrong.  use the wiring diagram to 
decode which wire goes where.  the picture isn't a scale model btw.  the wire 
should be placed according to circuit function and NOT by how each wire 
appears in relation to each other on the diagram.  no matter what, check all of your 
connections at the switches themselves, and make sure you have a plastic 
cover over each one.  clean with contact cleaner or an eraser.  the switch can get 
jammed in a door or bent at the backside, so replace as needed (they are 
cheap).  

Andy


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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:03:35 -0500
From: Eric Itzel <eric_at_dml_seviernet.com>
Subject: Re: Welcome Videobob - VIN # 5278

Hey, congratulations and welcome aboard!

Eric Itzel
vin 4433

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:49 AM
Subject: [DML] Welcome Videobob - VIN # 5278


> Yesterday was the big day, the car I was looking at here locally in
> Dallas was on eBay, I was up early with every alarm in the house set
> to remind me of the auction. I was poised and ready to pounce.
> At the last second, I won the auction for $15,000.00
> I picked up the car a few hours later!
>
> In my driveway is now a minty 81 Automatic.
> The interior is perfect, soft and supple gray leather with no cracks
> or tears, no dents or dings, so far everything is working good except
> for a few little things shich I will get to in future posts.
>
> I would post a picture, but you guys know what it looks like!
>
> Now that I have it, I am sure everyone will be hearing more from me!
> Not only will I be doing some custom work on this car, It will be
> featured in my new documentery and all of you will be meeting me
> at future events.
>
> Glad to be in the club!
>
> Videobob
> VIN#5278
>
>
>
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:02:53 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Sheared Brass Manifold Screws

B28E has solid screws that can't shear, and also used CIS however.

content22207 wrote:

>B28F used "shear-head" balancing screws. Are designed to snap off
>easily when snugged down.
>  
>





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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:10:19 -0000
From: "dmcorlando2003" <SundeQuick_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Destruction

You should use 303 Aerospace.   You can get it at most marine and RV 
shops.  It stops most all of UV damage when used regularly.  It 
doesn't get that greasy shine and doesn't contain the harmful stuff 
amorall does (pdms I think is what it is called)  It is great for 
leather and vinyl.  It won't destroy/break down the clear coat that 
is on the leather seats like the oils in leather conditioners will 
which does cause them to crack over time.

Michael
#2944

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> I am hoping that some of you can give me the best tips of how to
> protect the dash and interior from cracking, warping, etc.
> What is the best stuff to use?
> I already know to avoid Armour All, but I would like to know about 
> some specific bottles of stuff to use.





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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:39:49 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean Destruction

The Texas sun is going to be BRUTAL on the car. At the very least you
should use one of those windscreen covers that go inside the
windshield to protect the dash and binnacle. It will also help keep
the sun off the leather seats and the temperature inside the car
lower. If you have the later gear shift cover with the little medalion
in the center it will shrivel up like a potato chip if the sun gets on
it (automatics only). A real quick and cheap thing for it is just put
a sock over it when the car sits. A cover would be a good idea if you
don't even have a carport. Clean and protect the leather with Lexal or
something else at least as good. Use a silicone protectant on the
rubber seals like the door seals. Use a tire spray with a UV
protectant but NO SILICONES on the tires. Try to keep parked on paved
surfaces to prevent moisture from getting to the frame.
 Play in the steering can come from several sources, you have to have
someone move the wheel while you look for the source. It could be the
u-joints on the steering column to the tie rod ends to the rack itself.
Check to see that the wires are attached to the door switches, many
owners have them disconnected so the battery won't go dead if the
doors are left open. You should change ALL the fluids in the car, the
brake fluid, final drive, windscreen, transmission, coolant, and
engine oil. I would do a complete service including grease job,
tune-up and replace the cooling system hoses, belts, thermostat if
origional. For the elcetrical system get rid of the fan fail relay
and/or the bypass wire, unplug the locking module, get the relay
upgrade kit, check and clean all the fuses. If the battery is over 5
years old replace it too. Call a vender and order an oil filter, a
drain plug adapter, A couple of blending pads, and the manuals right
away. Go over with the vender if you have all the recalls on the car.
If not then order them too. Have at least 2 keys. The second can be an
Ilco if you don't care about looks but at least have 2 in case you
loose 1 or it breaks. As you use the car you will find more and more
things do to on it. Right now go check the tire pressures on the car.
They are on a label inside the glove box on the cover. The spare will
be flat so have it resealed with Camel Bead Sealer. Enjoy it. The more
you drive it the better it will run (after you fix everything that
breaks!!!!).
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> As I said in the previous post, I have this pristine like new car.
> It has been kept in a controlled garage it's whole life.
> It is like I am getting an almost new car.
> I don't deserve it.
> Unfortunatly, I don't have a garage to put it it, or even a car port
> to park it under! (GASP!)
> It will be sitting out under the sun, rain, whatever the north Texas
> weather throws at it.





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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:02:05 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>
Subject: RE: Delorean Destruction

Before you go to far on repairs, save yourself some money and buy the
service manuals that are available from the DeLorean vendors.

Scott Mueller
002981
RNDOLA


-----Original Message-----
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Soma576_at_dml_aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:03 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Delorean Destruction


In a message dated 11/19/03 1:44:52 PM Central Standard Time, 
videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:

> (1)
> The passenger window does not close all the way, it goes up to about 
> 1/4" of an inch and stops. Any suggestions anyone?

Sounds like a motor problem.  Open up the door by removing the upper and 
lower trim panels (buy a fir-tree clip pry tool first) and observe the
window 
going up and down.  a new regulator is probably needed.


> (2)
> Wobbly steering wheel.
> I have tightend the wheel as much as I can, but it seems to be loose 
> by about 1/4" up to 1/2" and makes a "tick tick" noise on bumps! 
> Drives me crazy! I assume that the famous nylon bushings that everyone 
> sells is for thie problem? How are they installed? Is it difficult to 
> install?

Look under the dash behind the pedal box where the column goes thru the 
firewall. there is probably a black rubber bushing split into pieces and you
might 
see fiberglass dust below the hole where the column rubs.  to fix, you need
to 
remove the binnacle, the knee pads, and the complete steering column by 
seperating the U-joints at the intermediate shaft (near the rack and
pinion).  a 
new nylon bushing will do the trick to fix that. another probably could be
the 
collapsable cage is broken or cracked and ratting around, but you said the 
wheel itself is moving, so i think the bushing is the problem.


> 
> (3)
> Dome lights.
> Are the dome lights supposed to come on when the doors open? I have 
> put new bulbs in and they come on when they are manually operated, so 
> I suppose that the problem would be the switch on the side of the 
> doors? I know that the switch that operates the divers side door 
> warning lights are sticky and if you giggle it the lights come on.
> However this doesn't work on the other switches, so I am not sure
> of the source.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

Does your door ajar light or door running lights work properly? that will 
tell you if the switches are working or not unless you have disconnected
wires at 
the diodes (near your foot at the gas pedal in those bright blue and red 
plastic tubes) or perhaps your lights are wired wrong.  use the wiring
diagram to 
decode which wire goes where.  the picture isn't a scale model btw.  the
wire 
should be placed according to circuit function and NOT by how each wire 
appears in relation to each other on the diagram.  no matter what, check all
of your 
connections at the switches themselves, and make sure you have a plastic 
cover over each one.  clean with contact cleaner or an eraser.  the switch
can get 
jammed in a door or bent at the backside, so replace as needed (they are 
cheap).  

Andy




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