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Date: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:40 AM

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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Goodyear NCT tires
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Delorean handling question
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. Re: Carcoons vs Car Covers
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

4. Calling All Delorean Owners in NORTH TEXAS
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. square pockets below the internal water pipe
From: "ablemanse" <s.ableman_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

6. RE: Re: Protecting the STEEL
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>

7. Re: Calling All Delorean Owners in NORTH TEXAS
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_comcast.net>

8. RE: Calling All Delorean Owners in NORTH TEXAS
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

9. Re: Goodyear NCT tires
From: "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

10. Re: Goodyear NCT tires
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

11. Re: square pockets below the internal water pipe
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

12. Re: Goodyear NCT tires
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

13. Re: square pockets below the internal water pipe
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

14. Re: Car Covers
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: square pockets below the internal water pipe
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

16. Re: Protecting the STEEL
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

17. DCS Winter 04 vol1 #3
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

18. Re: Car Covers
From: "Henry" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

19. Re: Goodyear NCT tires
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

20. Re: Goodyear NCT tires
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 05:13:18 -0000
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Goodyear NCT tires

Does anyone on the board know why the nct's were made specifically 
for the Delorean? What was their uniques and the handling advantages 
if any?




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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 05:15:58 -0000
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Delorean handling question

What are the Deloreans figures on the skid pad? And has there been 
any documentation of handling figures on those with dropped 
suspensions etc...?




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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:20:52 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Carcoons vs Car Covers

Carcoons not practical for frequent or daily use. Cover is removed 1 
minute or less then car is on road. Installed just as quickly. Carcoon
not an option in condo's like Rich Acuti's. Also cost WAY more than
fitted cover ($130-$140). 

Carcoons are really designed for long term storage.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> For about what some of these high end car covers can cost a car cacoon
> or a car capsule looks like a good alternative. Not only will it
> protect it from dust and dirt, it keeps people off of it, can protect
> from hail and snow, and you can still see the car through it! It
> protects the underside so even if the car is outside it protects the
> frame from moisture and will keep out any small animals that could
> crawl into the car and mess it up. Seems like a better choice than any
> cover!
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> > I can think of about a half dozen DeLorean owners in the Carolinas
> alone who have to store their DeLoreans outside. My car got the boot
> out of the garage once my parents antique Harley's began breeding. We
> also have a '69 Boss 302 Mustang that's worth about twice what the
> DeLorean is, so my car never had precedent. So both my D's have had to
> be stored outside. When I leave one outside for more than a week, I




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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:02:41 -0000
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Calling All Delorean Owners in NORTH TEXAS

Hey, Videobob here with my new love, VIN#5278.
I live in Fort Worth, along with EJ who is also on this post,
and a few others too.
I am wondering if there is any sort of Delorean club located in the
North Texas, Dallas / Fort Worth Texas area.
Was there ever one?
What was it called?
What happened to it?

Is there a national club, with chapters available to be opened?

If I don't get any answers on this, I plan to begin the 
"DFWDMC", The "Dallas Fort Worth Delorean Motor Club"....
or something to that effect.
We will attand car shows, parades, special events and have tech
meetings and socials on a monthly basis.
So far I have about 3 or 4 people interested.

- STORY WITH A POINT - 
I was cleaning the car up this morning for it Saturday cruise and a
neighbor walked up and proclaimed, "Awesome, I have one just like it!"
"Really?" I questioned. "Yes, but I keep it at my Uncle's house in
Sulfur Springs because he has a grage, I get to drive it a few times a
year."... he lives right behind me, who would have known?
The only reason we met is because he saw my car parked outside.
In the last few days that I have had the car, I think I have put about
800 miles on it!!!!
Yes, I am proud of that.
It blows my mind how people react to the car.
They react like they have never seen one in person...because most have
not. That is because a lot of D owners keep them covered up in a
garage all the time.
Hey guys, this is just a car! 
I am not a religeous man, but let me qoute a para phrase from the
Bible, "do not worship false idols".
Take your car out of the damn garage, uncover it, fill it up and drive
that damn thing to death!
Stop thinking it will become some collectors item that will one day
make you rich, in over 20 years it is only worth half of it's sticker
price. By the time it IS worth something you will be too old to
collect it!
Take it every where and ENJOY IT.
Screw leaving it for your kids to destroy, enjoy it while you have it,
enjoy the trill on people's faces when you go get your groceries in
it. I plan to drive it every chance I get.
Once you drive it, work out all the kinks, it will be just as reliable
as any other car.
It drives me crazy to hear these stories about people hiding these
cars out of fear that something will happen to it.
You only live ONCE - Get out and enjoy that car!
I am every second.

- Videobob
VIN# 5278








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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:34:50 -0000
From: "ablemanse" <s.ableman_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: square pockets below the internal water pipe

List,

     I took a look at the square pockets below the internal water pipe
and found mine completly full of packed trash. I cleaned it with soapy
water and vacuumed it out. It is badly pitted near the bottom and on
the side of the walls. What would be a good fix? How deep is the
casting on the side walls and the bottom? I thought of brazing a piece
of diamond plate on the top of the two pockets together,using the low
temp. aluminum brazing rod. Any comments would be helpful.

Thanks, Steve  





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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 07:35:28 -0800
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Protecting the STEEL

David,
	I agree 100%!!   I have tried everything over the years.   My brother owned
a company that built SS stuff for restaurants and he had a recommendation
for polishing SS.  It worked, but sure was not perfect by any means.  I just
use plain old windex when needed.   If there are minor scratches I use a 3M
blending pad.  They SHOW right away, but the blemish disappears the next
day.  I use Meguire's Car wash soap when it needs washing and use the
California Duster in between.
Murray
Vin: 05962
Lic:  DMC-XII





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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 09:44:10 -0600
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Calling All Delorean Owners in NORTH TEXAS

To my knowledge, there isn't any club in the DFW area, although I have seen
posts from people wanting to get something started in the past. There may
have been a chapter at one point as part of the Delorean Owners Association,
but they disbanded chapters about 10 years ago. Since John Hervey lives in
Forney and has quite the knowledge and different parts for the Delorean, he
would be a good source for some possible other owners in the area. I would
imagine there are more owners in this area than people realize, they just
might not be aware of the mailing list.
Although I don't actually have a Delorean yet, I've gathered as much info
and researched as much as possible about the man, company and car over the
last 18 years ( I need to get out more). I took my wife along with me to the
Memphis show, and now she wants one, but she wants it to be blue (that'll be
one fun paint job). If it's in print and its about a Delorean, I've probably
got a copy of the article, or the magazine itself. I live in Arlington, and
I know of at least 2 people that have or have had a Delorean.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "videobob11" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:02 AM
Subject: [DML] Calling All Delorean Owners in NORTH TEXAS


> Hey, Videobob here with my new love, VIN#5278.
> I live in Fort Worth, along with EJ who is also on this post,
> and a few others too.
> I am wondering if there is any sort of Delorean club located in the
> North Texas, Dallas / Fort Worth Texas area.
> Was there ever one?
> What was it called?
> What happened to it?
>
> Is there a national club, with chapters available to be opened?
>
> If I don't get any answers on this, I plan to begin the
> "DFWDMC", The "Dallas Fort Worth Delorean Motor Club"....
> or something to that effect.
> We will attand car shows, parades, special events and have tech
> meetings and socials on a monthly basis.
> So far I have about 3 or 4 people interested.
>
> - STORY WITH A POINT -
> I was cleaning the car up this morning for it Saturday cruise and a
> neighbor walked up and proclaimed, "Awesome, I have one just like it!"
> "Really?" I questioned. "Yes, but I keep it at my Uncle's house in
> Sulfur Springs because he has a grage, I get to drive it a few times a
> year."... he lives right behind me, who would have known?
> The only reason we met is because he saw my car parked outside.
> In the last few days that I have had the car, I think I have put about
> 800 miles on it!!!!
> Yes, I am proud of that.
> It blows my mind how people react to the car.
> They react like they have never seen one in person...because most have
> not. That is because a lot of D owners keep them covered up in a
> garage all the time.
> Hey guys, this is just a car!
> I am not a religeous man, but let me qoute a para phrase from the
> Bible, "do not worship false idols".
> Take your car out of the damn garage, uncover it, fill it up and drive
> that damn thing to death!
> Stop thinking it will become some collectors item that will one day
> make you rich, in over 20 years it is only worth half of it's sticker
> price. By the time it IS worth something you will be too old to
> collect it!
> Take it every where and ENJOY IT.
> Screw leaving it for your kids to destroy, enjoy it while you have it,
> enjoy the trill on people's faces when you go get your groceries in
> it. I plan to drive it every chance I get.
> Once you drive it, work out all the kinks, it will be just as reliable
> as any other car.
> It drives me crazy to hear these stories about people hiding these
> cars out of fear that something will happen to it.
> You only live ONCE - Get out and enjoy that car!
> I am every second.
>
> - Videobob
> VIN# 5278
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:31:55 -0600
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Calling All Delorean Owners in NORTH TEXAS

there was a rally of the DOT (Delorean Owners of Texas) two years ago, but
nothing since. It's definitely time to get going again.
http://www.delorean.com/dot/

-----Original Message-----
From: videobob11 [mailto:videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:03 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Calling All Delorean Owners in NORTH TEXAS


Hey, Videobob here with my new love, VIN#5278.
I live in Fort Worth, along with EJ who is also on this post,
and a few others too.
I am wondering if there is any sort of Delorean club located in the
North Texas, Dallas / Fort Worth Texas area.
Was there ever one?
What was it called?
What happened to it?

Is there a national club, with chapters available to be opened?

- Videobob
VIN# 5278








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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:47:27 -0800
From: "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Goodyear NCT tires

NCT's weren't specific for the DeLorean. Actually there were a couple of
versions of NCT's and the ones that came with the DeLorean were the earlier
European version. I'd guess finances played a role in the decision to go
with these tires on the car. My personal experience with them convinced me
they were horrendous in the wet. High speeds in wet conditions were, in my
opinion, down right scary.

Bruce Benson



> Does anyone on the board know why the nct's were >made specifically
> for the Delorean? What was their uniques and the >handling advantages
> if any?





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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:04:50 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Goodyear NCT tires

The NCT's were used on other cars INCLUDING LOTUS. It makes sense to
see them on Deloreans since most of the suspension engineering is
Lotus based. NCT is for Neutral Contour Tread. It was a tire
technology that proved to be expensive and did not live up to it's
promises. If you buy a tire today it is infinatly superior to the 20
year old NCT technology. On any car there is a host of compromises for
cost vs technology, for instance the NCT's that were put on Deloreans
have a lower speed rating than what was put on the Lotus's. I guess
they realized in the American market at the time the speedo had to
stop at 85 so there was little need to spend more on a tire that you
couldn't use anyway. Back in 1981-82 this was near the height of tire
technology!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> NCT's weren't specific for the DeLorean. Actually there were a couple of
> versions of NCT's and the ones that came with the DeLorean were the
earlier
> European version. I'd guess finances played a role in the decision to go
> with these tires on the car. My personal experience with them
convinced me
> they were horrendous in the wet. High speeds in wet conditions were,
in my
> opinion, down right scary.
> 
> Bruce Benson
> 
> 
> 





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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:20:52 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: square pockets below the internal water pipe

The "trash" you found in there is the remains of the coolant that
leaked from the distribution pipe seals and hoses. Under the right
conditions it can eat right through. After cleaning out thourghly you
could paint the "pockets" with Glyptal. It is a heavy paint type
product used primaraly on electrical windings in motors and
transformers. Custom engine builders coat the insides of engines and
trasmisions with it to seal any pores in the castings, make it easier
to clean, and to allow the oil to drip easier. You can get it in small
quantities from Eastwood. Try eastwood.com The main thing is to find
and fix EVERY leak, even the ones you can't see. If your coolant level
goes down and you have to keep adding then you have a leak even if you
don't see it on the floor. It leaks onto the top of the engine into
the "pockets" and is boiled off so you never see the leak. The trash
is the solid portion of the anti-freeze which is the additives. Before
putting the intake manifold back on put the coolant system together
and pressure test to 15 psi for 15 min to make sure there are NO
leaks. If you aren't using the silicone hoses behind the water pump
get the best hose clamps you can and really crank on them because you
can't get in ther to retighten them later (better to use the silicone
hoses, then you don't have to worry). Check out your radiater. Look
carefully at the tank on the left side. ANY sign of green stains or
white crust means it is getting ready to leak, the plastic tanks have
been known to blow right off. Replace EVERY hose including the heater
hoses. A leak in any will cause a loss of coolant with the result
overheating the motor.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "ablemanse" <s.ableman_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> List,
> 
>      I took a look at the square pockets below the internal water pipe
> and found mine completly full of packed trash. I cleaned it with soapy
> water and vacuumed it out. It is badly pitted near the bottom and on
> the side of the walls. What would be a good fix? How deep is the
> casting on the side walls and the bottom? I thought of brazing a piece
> of diamond plate on the top of the two pockets together,using the low
> temp. aluminum brazing rod. Any comments would be helpful.
> 
> Thanks, Steve




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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:33:23 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Goodyear NCT tires

In a message dated 11/23/03 8:48:25 AM Central Standard Time, 
spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:

> Does anyone on the board know why the nct's were made specifically 
> for the Delorean? What was their uniques and the handling advantages 
> if any?
> 

They weren't.  I doubt a company as small as DMC could ever get a tire 
manufacturer to make a special line of tire for their own car.  not only that, but 
the NCT's really weren't that great compared to other tires of the same era 
(and low-tech today).  

I have a Goodyear ad from around the time that lists every tire line they 
make, and NCT's are in the ad.  I believe it said that the Lotus Esprit was 
fitted with them too, as well as quite a few other cars.

Andy



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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:45:47 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: square pockets below the internal water pipe

These castings have long been a source of trouble. Somewhere in the 
archives is a picture of an engine where the metal was eaten clean 
through by old coolant which leaked from the Y-pipe.

The beauty of it is, you can have it weld repaired. I don't know how 
thick the castings are, but my opinion is that it's better to have 
someone weld-repair it and keep it clean in the future rather than 
try to seal it with diamond plate.

My reasoning is, now matter how well you try to seal it, some 
moisture could get in there and just eat it away over the years. Some 
folks fill their castings with silicone which you could at least dig 
out and replace when it starts to get nasty.

I was lucky. Mine were filled with enough topsoil, acorns and lost 
hardware to sprout a garden if only enough light got under there. I 
had no damage thank God. The castings came clean and were strong.

Rich A.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "ablemanse" <s.ableman_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> List,
> 
>      I took a look at the square pockets below the internal water 
pipe
> and found mine completly full of packed trash. I cleaned it with 
soapy
> water and vacuumed it out. It is badly pitted near the bottom and on
> the side of the walls. What would be a good fix? How deep is the
> casting on the side walls and the bottom? I thought of brazing a 
piece
> of diamond plate on the top of the two pockets together,using the 
low
> temp. aluminum brazing rod. Any comments would be helpful.
> 
> Thanks, Steve




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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:52:09 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Car Covers

In a message dated 11/22/03 9:53:09 PM Central Standard Time, 
louie_at_dml_delorean.com writes:

> I think a lot of owners on here forget that some people live in the South. 
> We don't have snow... we never see road salt. Thus we can and *DO* drive our 
> cars year round.  We don't put our cars into storage in the winter, and the 
> need for garages is less down here. For some perspective, I was out driving my 
> car with the A/C on in 75 degree sunny weather today... and it's late 
> November.

Point taken, and no intent to offend on my part about a lack of garage space. 
 we northern owners are probably just jealous that we can't drive our cars 
year-round.

what i was incredulous of was why someone would choose to buy a car cover 
(not a carcoon) to keep a car outside during snow and ice storms all thru the 
winter.  for the amount of money you save on cancelling liability and collision 
insurance during the non-driving months, you can rent a self-storage garage or 
a space in a warehouse to keep it safe, covered, and minty-fresh for your 
return in springtime.  this year i found a place for only $30/mo which is even 
climate controlled.  i could have gotten a place for $90 for the entire winter 
but i wouldn't be able to get the car out before a car show in late march next 
year.  otherwise, you can get self-storage in prices ranging from $45-$75 a 
month, depending on how early you call about them (start in early oct.). most of 
these places have a light bulb in the garage which is easily converted into an 
120V outlet with a powerstrip for some late December car work, as well as 
24-hour access and security patrols. 

leaving it outside during the winter is a great way to give rodents and other 
creatures a free place to find shelter, with or without a car cover. 

just my 2 cents!

Andy



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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:20:02 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: square pockets below the internal water pipe

John Hervey suggested filling with silicone - which I will probably 
do soon when I get in there for a major tune-up. The other approach 
would be to pour some antifreeze in there and let it "burn off". I 
did this by accident once and the next time I got to examine the 
area it was lined, under the trash, with an antifreeze goo that 
seemed to protect the metal quite well. This was Houston where water 
seldom freezes.

Harold McElraft - 3354 




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "ablemanse" <s.ableman_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> List,
> 
>      I took a look at the square pockets below the internal water 
pipe
> and found mine completly full of packed trash. I cleaned it with 
soapy
> water and vacuumed it out. It is badly pitted near the bottom and 
on
> the side of the walls. What would be a good fix? How deep is the
> casting on the side walls and the bottom? I thought of brazing a 
piece
> of diamond plate on the top of the two pockets together,using the 
low
> temp. aluminum brazing rod. Any comments would be helpful.
> 
> Thanks, Steve




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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:30:07 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Protecting the STEEL

The best stuff I have found for quick clean up and wiping finger 
prints off is a white terrycloth shop towel I get at Costco by the 
bag and Meguiar's Quik Detailer - mist and wipe. I have tried 
virtually everything at least once. That combo seems to work best.

Harold McElraft - 3354




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> David,
> 	I agree 100%!!   I have tried everything over the years.   
My brother owned
> a company that built SS stuff for restaurants and he had a 
recommendation
> for polishing SS.  It worked, but sure was not perfect by any 
means.  I just
> use plain old windex when needed.   If there are minor scratches I 
use a 3M
> blending pad.  They SHOW right away, but the blemish disappears 
the next
> day.  I use Meguire's Car wash soap when it needs washing and use 
the
> California Duster in between.
> Murray
> Vin: 05962
> Lic:  DMC-XII




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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:34:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DCS Winter 04 vol1 #3

A whole spread on an aquarium in the mountians! What is this . . . some kind of
'travel magazine'?  ;-)
No really, great job as usual Ken & Josh!

The "original" Jennifer (Parker) McFly! Wow how cool.

Shannon Y
16506



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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:44:42 -0500
From: "Henry" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Car Covers


> what i was incredulous of was why someone would choose to buy a car cover 
> (not a carcoon) to keep a car outside during snow and ice storms all thru the 
> winter.  for the amount of money you save on cancelling liability and collision 
> insurance during the non-driving months, you can rent a self-storage garage or 

I live in Massachusetts and drive my D year-round (but only when it's nice outside).  The laws up here are not kind for making a regular automobile a "seasonal" vehicle, and I would have to turn in the plates and get new ones issued each year if I wanted to cancel my insurance in the off season.  It's actually cheaper and easier to leave it insured all year.    Sure, there were some winter weeks that the car was under several feet of snow and I didn't drive it until it all thawed.  Also, where I live a "carcoon" would bring way too much attention to the vehicle and would likely cause more damage from vandalous teenagers than rodents (of which I've had no problems over the last three years).  

Finally, I have the old "PAN" MASS plates on my Delorean, which only require one rear license plate.  If I wanted to de-commission the car for the winter, as soon as I re-registered it in the spring, I would be forced to get the new FRONT and back tags. And who wants a front tag on their Delorean?  I can keep the old tag as long as I keep a car registered to it.

One more note... last winter my windshield cracked and the full replacement by Rob Grady was fully covered by my insurance (and no deductible for glass either).   You can bet that unless I lied about it, the insurance company would not have covered that loss during the winter.  Just because you may lock up your uninsured car in a heated storage facility during the winter doesn't mean you can't suffer some sort of damage, loss, or even theft.

-Hank



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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:26:00 EST
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Goodyear NCT tires

They also brought back the NCT, and can be seen on BMW's Mini.

John
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:38:39 -0000
From: "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Goodyear NCT tires

Wow, that was informative, I didnt realize they werent that good i 
should take them off my car then. i thought keeping them on was a 
good idea maybe i should just shelf them since theyre virtually 
new...whats the consensus on replacement tires?




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