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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1772
Date: Saturday, November 29, 2003 4:40 AM

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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: http://papertoys.com/delorean.htm
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

2. Re: Replacing the solenoids?
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

3. RE: Re: Replacing the solenoids?
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

4. RE: Re: Automatic shifting troubles
From: MichaelRPack1_at_dml_cs.com

5. RE: Carpet
From: MichaelRPack1_at_dml_cs.com

6. Re: BTTF Car Props = Building Plans
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

7. RE: delorean christmas cards....
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>

8. Re: DMC
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

9. Re: rule of 20K poll
From: "funkstuf" <funkstuf_at_dml_hotmail.com>

10. Re: BTTF Car Props = Building Plans
From: "gullwingmagazine" <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>

11. Re: The Dragon
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com

12. RE: Has this ever happened to you, to anyone?
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

13. Re: Has this ever happened to you, to anyone?
From: "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

14. DMC spotted in Red Bank, NJ
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

15. Ignition switch
From: S E Ableman <s.ableman_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

16. Delorean buy in Europe near AUSTRIA!!!
From: "austriandmc" <austriandmc_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:57:37 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: http://papertoys.com/delorean.htm

Got one of these at SEDOC on white posterboard. Copied onto silver
laser printer stock (two sided at Wal-Mart: silver one side, gold on
other) and handed out to Sunday School kids. One actually built. Looks
quite good.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "jpaulkelman" <Paul.KELMAN_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> Check out the link 
> 
> http://papertoys.com/delorean.htm
> 
> (and associated web site http://papertoys.com)
> 
> Very interesting.
> 
> Paul Kelman.




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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 04:01:28 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Replacing the solenoids?

You need a good multi-meter to measure this. The solenoids should be
close to .25 ohms and they should be identical. You can measure this
up at the bulkhead connector in the round end. The green/yellow wire
is the common, so measure from it to either the blue wire or the brown
wire. It will be more accurate if you disconnect them first by
removing the brass hex nuts. Be careful not to loose the tiny split
ring washers.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> If they work they are most likely ok. You can test the resistence 
> against a new one to confirm condition. They are not a known for a 
> high failure rate. 
> 
> Harold McElraft - 3354
> 





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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:15:31 -0800
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Replacing the solenoids?

Harold, Depending on temperature the solenoids will measure around 26 to 27
ohms. That's testing new ones.
John Hervey


-----Original Message-----
From: Harold McElraft [mailto:hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 8:03 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Replacing the solenoids?


If they work they are most likely ok. You can test the resistence
against a new one to confirm condition. They are not a known for a
high failure rate.

Harold McElraft - 3354


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Enid/Jeremiah
<hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Ok everyone.  Today (Wednesday) I'm going to get the computer
governor out of the car.  While everything is dissassembled and all,
should I take out the old solenoids as well?  I mean, while it's all
apart and all, might as well knock out 2 possible problem areas
while the opportunity is available.  I know without a doubt I'm
going to have the C/G rebuilt, but how many of you think I should
just have the solenoids replaced as well?  I'm kind of curious as to
what everyone here may think about that.  I have no problem with it,
but I want to make sure I'm not making an overly-cautious move.
Please, once again everyone give me your opinions.  Thank you
everyone for your time, attention, and suggestions.
>
> Jeremiah
> Vin #03299
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:11:53 -0500
From: MichaelRPack1_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: RE: Re: Automatic shifting troubles


I have had two automatic DeLoreans, VIN 3713 September 1981, and VIN 6058 November 1981. Both were very reliable...Once the computers & solinoids were replaced. I drive my cars well over 200-250 miles a day, in & out of downtown Washington DC/Baltimore city traffic, as well as the excellent highways we have here in Maryland.
 In the long run, the automatics are less expensive & easier to repair than the 5-speed...in my opinion. However, the fact is the automatics are just as easy, (if not easier) fun, and enjoyable to own in comparision to the 5-speed.

Sincerely,
Michael Pack

83 DMC 
01 BMW 740iL (automatic)
02 BMW M3
99 Acura NSX-T (For sale, automatic & faster than the 6-speed)

"Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com> wrote:

>Now wait a minute here - Preference is one thing but facts are 
>another.
>
>Having owned 2 5 speed Ds and put over 100,000 on then (combined) 
>and now owning an automatic in which I have put over 40,000 miles, I 
>think I can compare both in depth. First, for the first 100 yards a 
>properly tuned auto is quicker than a 5 speed. The auto is great in 
>traffic. Zipping around is much easier in an auto and the response 
>time can be much shorter in timing maneuvers because there is no 
>clutch-shift action to mess with. Highway driving in an auto though 
>is not quite as enjoyable to me because, at 80-85 miles an hour, 
>you're looking at 4,000 rpm. For me that is just too high for 
>sustained driving on cruse. 3,000 to 3,400 rpm is better in my mind 
>so, on cruse, I stay at 70-75. Third gear in an auto is 1:00 ratio 
>while 4th gear in a 5 speed is 1.057 to give you a comparison and, 
>there is the torque converter slippage which adds to the rpm some.
>
>As for reliability, well that can be an issue. However, I believe 
>there is enough intelligence and know-how out there that most of 
>those issues are solved. We can fix the governors and the oils 
>leaks. It constantly amazes me the know-how and persistence 
>demonstrated on this forum. I have use that know-how and added my 
>own thing as most of us like to do and I am quite confident in the 
>reliability of the auto. BTW, mine does not leak.
>
>Of course it always comes down to preference and the type of driving 
>you do. If the auto had one more gear or maybe a lockup torque 
>converter? Something to keep my mind busy with.
>
>Harold McElraft - 3354
>
>
>
>
>
>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_y...> 
>wrote:
>> I have to put my two cents in here because I too have
>> been blessed/cursed with an automatic.
>> 
>> Flame away at will
>> 
>>    There werent many options available for me at the
>> time of purchase considering that my car was in near
>> perfect condition, with no major problems and no frame
>> rust.  That being said, I have come to the conclusion
>> that the only delorean folks who would really enjoy an
>> automatic (best suited for them) would be.
>> 
>> 1.  People who cant drive stick, naturally
>> 
>> 2.  Daily driver folks who drive the belt parkway from
>> staten island to brooklyn daily
>> 
>> 3.  Those occasional drivers who are so worried about
>> driving the car that having an automatic is less to
>> focus on while driving.
>> 
>> 
>>     Those in the group may remember back in may that i
>> was considering a transmission swapout for the 5 speed
>> and was urged not to do it because of the volume of
>> work required and modification to the frame.  That
>> being said I could see no reason to destroy an
>> original perfectly good car to swap out a working
>> transmission.
>> 
>>     If I could find a delorean that was at the same
>> quality as mine and a 5 speed id trade it tommorrow,
>> because at the end of the day, even though it works,
>> its an automatic, its less powerfull and less economic
>> than the 5 speed, and quite frankly less fun to drive.
>> Elvis ruined me when he threw me the keys to his 81 5
>> speed 2 weeks ago at my house.
>> 
>> Speaking of Elvis, he rebuilds the AT gov and would be
>> a good person to speak to if your having AT computer
>> problems in Europe.  He had showed me his lab setup to
>> test at fix these modules.
>> 
>>    I love owning and driving my delorean but no matter
>> how good the car is, or how it looks, or engine
>> condition etc.    It will always be inferior to a
>> 5speed plain and simple.
>> 
>>    BTW, Ill be damned if I will ever fix all of the
>> leaks on that thing, im almost half tempted to RTV the
>> auto pan seal to stop that beast from leaking.
>> 
>> AAAHHHH NOOO dont clog the Transmission filter with
>> RTV, yeah I know.
>> 
>>    
>> Anyway, that my thoughts and im stickin to it.
>> 
>> thanx
>> 
>> Jordan 11613 auto
>> 
>>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:22:41 -0500
From: MichaelRPack1_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: RE: Carpet


Took all of the carpets out, sent them to a QUALITY dry cleaner. When they were returned and installed, the car looked like it was on the showroom floor again.

Michael

"geek123y" <service_at_dml_techno-concepts.com> wrote:

>I have replaced my carpet and headliners in black
>Now that I have done it, I really do prefer the gray 
>Black makes the small interior even smaller
>
>If anyone is interested as to how their interior
>will look in black, just e-mail me and I will
>send you a picture.
>
>Ken #2700
>
>P.S. James -  who is wearing these XXXL shirts?
>One more X and they can't fit in the car.
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:39:35 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: BTTF Car Props = Building Plans

Bob,

I built my own flux capacitors.  BUt do not have any specific plans.
I used a timing circuit tired to 30 second timer simulator that gave me 
increasing frequency.  These drive the red LEDs faster and faster to 88 
mph.  and then back down again.

Use a standard NEMA fiberglass enclosure with a view panel. Or add the 
clear panel with plexiglass and rubber car window glass (e.g. 66 mustang 
windshield)

BOB




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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:29:42 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>
Subject: RE: delorean christmas cards....

Has anyone thought about asking James Espey about the Christmas Cards?

He may be able to tell you where to get the corfrect envelopes for the
cards.

Scott Mueller
002981
RNDOLA




-----Original Message-----
From: Louie Golden [mailto:louie_at_dml_delorean.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:13 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] delorean christmas cards....


I'd be willing to front some money to have them reprinted. I've got a
neighbor friend who owns an Instyprints (it's a Kinkos equivalent)... so
maybe I could even get a discount on getting them printed. If you look into
the old webzines on the DMC news site- ftp://dmcnews.com/pub/zine003.pdf  it
has a Mesa, AZ address for the cards. Maybe James Espey used to do them
then? Unless there aren't any copyright issues, I guess someone could send
me a used card, and I can see what I can do as far as getting them
reprinted. I agree it'd be cool to have them again.

Louie Golden
VIN 5252 Charlotte, NC


--- billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
A few years back I bought a set of delorean christmas cards. I thought the
artwork with Santa standing next to a DMC was very well done. My family and
friends loved getting them too. When I bought them they mentioned they were
down to their last few boxes. Just wondering if anyone had any interst in
reproducing them or who made them? With the holidays coming up its a nice
touch. Although with 3 kiddies my wife tends to go with the photo christmas
cards with their pics on them....

drive carefully...AAA says 36 million travlers on the road this week who are
all potential targets for your DMC....

mike c 
2109




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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:43:50 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: DMC

www.deloreans.co.uk - all models available through the club.

David Doglay wrote:

>Does any1 no were i can buy delorean remote control cars in Northern Ireland or Britain?
>
>  
>





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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 05:29:36 -0000
From: "funkstuf" <funkstuf_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: rule of 20K poll

One thing I will say about this car.
The $20,000 rule is that it would really depend on how long one has 
the car as they seem to require a continual flow of money.
I purchased one of these with 24,000 miles recently for $8000.00  It 
looked very nice but had been sitting quite some time. (It was all 
original)  I put about $8000 more in parts and labor into this car 
replacing the complete fuel system, brakes, exhaust gaskets (along 
with the exhaust studs and milling the exhaust manifolds), head job, 
valve adjustment, tires, belts and all hoses, plus some small things 
like idle motor, and some of the update kits. It seems now to be a 
very reliable automobile and runs excellent, absolutely everything 
works. I would drive it anywhere but to be in show condition will 
probable take about another $4000 so the $20,000 rule seems very 
realistic.
However, if I keep this car for 10 years I'm sure I will have a whole 
lot more money in this so the rule kind of depends on how long one 
has had the automobile.





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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:21:01 -0000
From: "gullwingmagazine" <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: BTTF Car Props = Building Plans

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_h...> 
wrote:
> I know that several people out there sell BTTF props, but is there 
> anyone out there who has built thier own?
> Does anyone have any building plans for Flux Capacitors, etc.?
> Let me know.
> - VB

Bob & List:

Here's an option if you're not looking to build your own, but rather 
looking for anyone with plans to remanufacter BTTF props...

(It's on page 47 in the "D Goodies" section of the current issue of 
Gullwing Magazine from DeLorean Motor Center in Garden Grove, CA.)

BTTF WORKING FLUX CAPACITOR
This is a working replica of the Back to the Future Flux Capacitor.  
This is a 12-volt unit that plugs right into your cigarette lighter.  
The unit has flashing LEDs, and you can also light it up with a 
blinding strobe light flash with a push of a button when you hit 88 
mph.  You can order on-line at DeLoreanmotorcenter.com or call (714) 
554-6794.

BTTF WORKING TIME CIRCUIT UNIT
This unit comes with a fully-working keypad, just like the one in the 
BTTF movie.  You can program the destination time, and the unit also 
has a fully-functional clock.  This unit runs on 12-volts DC.  You 
can order on-line at DeLoreanmotorcenter.com or call (714) 554-6794.

Hope this helps.

-Cheryl







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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:09:16 EST
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: The Dragon

Noah,

    The dragon is part of US 129 that skirts the southern edge of the Great 
Smoky Mountains. We generally drive it on most ETDOC meets. It is billed as the 
curviest bit of road in America, its hard to meet the speed limit. I think 
that when Pigeon Forge rolls around there will be a lot of people wanting to 
drive it. I'd be happy to show you the way.

John Weaver
ETDOC
RED DMC #10527


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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:03:38 -0600
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Has this ever happened to you, to anyone?

I wish...
I work at a government center and there is another D there, or was anyway.
The guy never called me and I left several messages under his wiper, etc.
Once I was pulling out of one parking lot to go down the street and he was
driving passed. I saw his face kind of do a "what?" and I followed him to
the building where he parked but he jumped out and ran in before I could
catch him and talk to him. He obviously likes being a lone wolf or
something.
Frustrating-- another owner so close, but so far away.
I have not seen the car in quite some time.




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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 03:52:05 -0000
From: "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Has this ever happened to you, to anyone?

I was out in the driveway the other morning getting ready to go on a 
trip with my new friend EJ to visit our buddy John at "Special-T" in 
Forney Texas which is only an hour from Fort Worth, ..when a fellow 
and his father came walking up the drive and announced; "Beautiful 
car! I have one just like it!" "Really? who are you?" I asked.
"I'm your neighbor, I live behind you on the next street." he replied.
My mind was blown.
Imagine, another Delorean owner living a few yards away!?!?!?!
What a coinky-dink.
"Where is your car? I have never seen it out." I asked.
He told me he keeps in storage in Sulfur Springs, several hours away
at his uncles house.
This really buzzed me.
It was at that moment that it came to my mind the idea to resurrect a 
Delorean club in the DFW area.
With myself, EJ, our neighbor and John_at_dml_specialTauto that is a good 
start. I want to attend parades, car shows, events and have tech 
meetings so we can all work on each others cars like Rich and the 
boys in Chicago do.

So, if there is anyone near or around north Texas interesrted in
being a part of the DFW-DMC that I will be starting up, please 
contact me.

I don't plan on having any news letters, no dues, no politics.
Just Delorean owners and fans getting together.

videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com




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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:08:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DMC spotted in Red Bank, NJ

Monday Nov 24, I spotted a DMC on Front Street in Red
Bank NJ driving toward the center of town (near
Normandy road).  License plate was something like
"BAK2FTR".

You on the list?? I always like to meet up with local
owners.


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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:21:23 -0500
From: S E Ableman <s.ableman_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Ignition switch

List,

    My ignition switch does not spring back to run position. Is there a 
fix other than replacing the entire switch?

Thanks ,
Steve




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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 07:44:04 -0000
From: "austriandmc" <austriandmc_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Delorean buy in Europe near AUSTRIA!!!

HI!
Iam From Austria and would buy an Delorean in few years!
How many should i bill when i would buy an Good for daily driving 
Delorean????

What is with Import from the USA ( EBAY....)

I hope anybody can help me.

Thanks a lot 
AustrianDMC




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