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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1777
Date: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:50 AM

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There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DMC
From: "gullwingmagazine" <>

2. Re: Delorean interior light swivel type

3. New Window Regulators are AWESOME!
From: "supermattthehero" <>

4. RE: Are you a BIG DeLorean fan?
From: "robert parker" <>

5. Re: Re: Questions re steering linkage and front suspension.
From: Noah <>

6. Re: Door Ajar light comes on when I use overhead light?
From: Jan van de Wouw <>

7. Re: Re: Door Open Indicator w/ Lever Light -- Bad Diode

8. Re: Continued: Bad Diodes
From: "content22207" <>

9. CORRECTION: Door Open Indicator w/ Lever Light -- Bad Diode
From: "content22207" <>

10. Re: delorean christmas cards....oops
From: "Dave Swingle" <>

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:30:21 -0000
From: "gullwingmagazine" <>
Subject: Re: DMC

Chris Ingrassia's beautiful custom black Bricklin is featured in 
Gullwing Magazine's Vol. 1 Issue 2.  Although I don't believe you can 
view his car in particular, on the Bricklin site, there are pics of 
many other Bricklins.  Go to: for more on Bricklin 
International Owners Club.  They also have a B&W magazine (with color 
cover) called The Brickline.  The back cover of Vol. 27 - Number 3 
July 2002 has a great photo of a Bricklin, a DeLorean, and a Mercedes 
300SL aligned in front of the Blackhawk Museum.

--- In, "daviddoglay" <daviddoglay_at_dml_y...> 
... pics of the bricklin; 
> the car people compare the dmc to


Message: 2
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:07:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Delorean interior light swivel type

In a message dated 12/1/2003 5:50:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes:

> This plastic bends when the bulb heats unter tension of the spring and pushes downward.  I was able to heat and bend it back into position  works good now.  Ill post a few pictures 
> tonite.
> jordan 11613

Your favorite vendor can supply you with metal light fixtures instead of the OEM plastic ones.



Message: 3
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:30:00 -0000
From: "supermattthehero" <>
Subject: New Window Regulators are AWESOME!

I just finished up installing my driver-side window regulator from 
PJ Grady and what a difference!  I'd say it's about 2x as fast as 
the OEM unit , and it's a bit more quiet.  The quality is definitely 
better overall.

Yes, the install was not easy, but with patience (and a great love 
for your car) it can be done, and the brackets DO line up correctly 
if you install it the way I have it.  I tried to take a picture of 
my configuration but my camera died, so I'll have to wait until I do 
the passenger side with fresh batteries.  Maybe I'll write a 
tutorial or something.  In the meantime, I'll offer these tips:

These are the steps that I took to install the motor:

1.  Remove old motor, however necessary.  My plastic elbow was 
broken already so that made things easier :)  This will involve 
removing the OEM motor bracket, motor, and unbolting the tube from 
the small window frame.  

2.  Now that the motor is out, lubricate the track while you're in 
here and slide the window up and down a few times.  

3.  For the new motor, separate the bracket from the motor and glue 
the black plastic spacers to the motor assembly with some contact 
cement, superglue, etc.  Something that has a strong bond.

4.  Take the new motor bracket and tube and install in the window.  
The first step I did was to attach the tube to the small window.  

5.  Then I attached the bracket to the rear door handle hole.  

6.  Now this is the part that confuses everyone.  You need to attach 
the dogleg brackets.  Remove the center bolt holding the dogleg 
brackets in and attach one of the brackets on TOP of the upper 
mounting hole with your previously used screw.  For the other dogleg 
bracket, you can attach it to either of the lower mounting holes.  I 
believe it's easiest to choose the one closer to the FRONT of the 
car.  The trick is to mount this bracket BEHIND the mounting hole, 
unlike the way we attached the first bracket on TOP.  This 
configuration should allow you to easily screw the 2 dogleg brackets 
together in the middle with the bolt we removed from the center of 
the motor assembly.  Don't tighten anything too much yet.  I'll be 
following up with some pictures of this step.

7.  Now go get your motor and slip it in behind the bracket you just 
installed.  This is where you'll need some dexterity to get the 
bracket bolts into the proper holes in the motor assembly.  While 
you're doing this, be careful not to tighten the bolts too much with 
a wrench because it seems the threads strip easily on the bolts.

8.  Now that you've got the motor attached, go ahead and tighten up 
those bracket bolts.  Plug in the electrical connectors and off you 

I installed my window regulator in this exact configuration and it 
works flawlessly.  It moves up and down smoothly, quietly, and with 
constant speed.  Good luck!



Message: 4
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:42:41 +0000
From: "robert parker" <>
Subject: RE: Are you a BIG DeLorean fan?

BIG is OK, but it would be nice if Large-TALL were available for those that 
are Long (sleeves), but not that Large.   An idea.....         Robert     : 

From: James Espey <>
To: dmcnews <>
Subject: [DML] Are you a BIG DeLorean fan?
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:33:17 -0600

By popular demand, we are now stocking XXXL sizes in the DMC logo
sweatshirt, DMC logo black polo and the DMC "Staff" Grey T-shirt...


Message: 5
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:13:58 -0500
From: Noah <>
Subject: Re: Re: Questions re steering linkage and front suspension.

On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 07:26:08PM -0000, cruznmd wrote:
> I've been told worn lower ball-joints may do this. 

Just to toss a real-world example out there, I had post of my starboard
lower balljoint sheer in half while turning a couple of years ago.
Happily, I was doing about 2mph in a parking garage. Don't want to think
about what would have happened if it had given out about 8 minutes prior
when I was doing 75 on the interstate *shudder*.



Message: 6
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:25:08 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <>
Subject: Re: Door Ajar light comes on when I use overhead light?

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:22:29 EST, Patrick wrote:

> This is no biggie, just annoying---
> For some reason, I just noticed that when the car is running
> and I use the overhead light in the cabin, the driver door ajar
> light comes on until I turn the overhead light off.

> I do not have the courtesy fuse in anyway

This last line IS your problem... Without juice coming
from the #12 fuse the Door Ajar-light grounds through
any of the lights on this circuit; engine, trunk,
glovebox and both interior lights...

This is actually NORMAL and also occurs when you
have a switch in line with #12 for use at shows,
I know from experience.

Put an new 10A fuse in the #12 slot and it's fixed!
Why is it out anyway?

JAN van de Wouw

Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000


Message: 7
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:59:36 EST
Subject: Re: Re: Door Open Indicator w/ Lever Light -- Bad Diode

Well I fixed it up.   I cleaned the diode connections and found that a few 
light smacks on the binacle with my palm fixed the problem :)   I guess there 
was a wire making contact somewhere up there...   Its still a mystery, but at 
least it is fixed for now.

Anyway, thanks for the help!

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Message: 8
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 02:12:00 -0000
From: "content22207" <>
Subject: Re: Continued: Bad Diodes

Follow route of electricity on wiring diagram or page M:18:12 of Tech
Manual -- diode is allowing indicator light to ground itself through
any of those downstream devices. Supply is fuse #5, not fuse #12. Door
plunger has no effect. 

Was fuse #12 in place when buzzer went off? Seat belt and door ajar
indicators are tied together. Buzzer box is supplied by seat belt
indicator (as well as headlight circuit). Ordinarily no supply that
way until car energized. But if the diode with red/white wire input
from indicators is bad, electricity can travel backwards from glove
compartment light (live independent of ignition switch), through door
indicator, through seat belt indicator, to buzzer. Two ground switches
for buzzer box: other driver's door plunger and seat belt recepticle.
Simply click the seat belt together and depress plunger to test this

You really need to study wiring diagram. Because most DeLo circuits
are live all the time (imfamous "switched grounds" controversy), can
appear to behave randomly. In fact there's usually a perfectly
illogical explanation.

Bill Robertson

>--- In, PRC1216_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Thanks,
> I will check the grounds out.  The door ajar light also comes on
when I open 
> the glove box lid, and still happens even when the fuse is in.  When
> up my battery this morning I also noticed that the seatbelt buzzer
(or some 
> buzzer) went on and wouldn't go off (the keys were not even in the
ignition).  I 
> got it to stop buzzing by jiggling the wires at the switch the door 
> depresses.  Unhooking the wires from that had no effect on the door
ajar light, it still 
> comes on when I use the overhead light or the glovebox light. 
> Any other ideas?
> Patrick
> 1880
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Message: 9
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 02:26:12 -0000
From: "content22207" <>
Subject: CORRECTION: Door Open Indicator w/ Lever Light -- Bad Diode

Just re-read -- minor correction: fuse #5 live whenever car energized
(main relay). 

What I meant to convey is that door plungers have no effect on power
supply to the indicator. Is live independent of plungers.

Bill Robertson

>--- In, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Welcome to wonderful world of DeLorean switched grounds...
> Door open indicator live all the time (fuse #5, which is why pulling
> #12 doesn't affect). Is a diode to prevent it from grounding itself
> backwards through flipped lever light. Yours has probably gone bad.
> Diodes located in driver footwell, part way down front wye (look like
> M80's). Are three of them. You want one with 2 purple/white inputs and
> 1 purple/white output. Can simply unplug to test if allowing indicator
> to ground.
> If fuse #12 is pulled why are you flipping lever light? Shouldn't work
> at all. If it does, guarantee diode bad (is getting juice from same
> line as indicator) -- assuming wiring still stock.
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> >--- In, PRC1216_at_dml_a... wrote:
> > This is no biggie, just annoying---
> > For some reason, I just noticed that when the car is running and I
> use the 
> > overhead light in the cabin, 


Message: 10
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 04:59:29 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <>
Subject: Re: delorean christmas cards....oops

Looks like I screwed this one up  - if you tried to order cards thru 
this link and did not get a reply from me, it's because I forgot to 
turn the mail forwarder back on and I didn't get the message. Please 
reply directly to me at swingle(at) and re-send your 
request. Real Soon Now - time is short (and so are the cards!)

Sorry - I'll give it another 3 days (i.e. Friday nite) They are 
getting shipped USPS Priority mail (two-day) so there should still be 
time to make your Christmas list.

Dave S

--- In, "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Don't go printing any more just yet. 
> Actually I was selling them as a fund-raiser for the DML (they came 
> with the operation from James). I still happen to have about 30 
> left. But NO envelopes, they are a wierd size (A4?) that I have to 
> get from a specialty shop. If anyone's interested drop me a line. 
> Better act fast, between me shipping them out and then you mailing 
> them to people we're about out of time. 
> I put them back up for sale every couple of years, at least as long 
> as I have them, but I kind of forgot about it this year. 
> Here's the info - no other link provided, this offer only good 
> Sunday November 30.
> Dave S
> --- In, billsfanmd_at_dml_a... wrote:
> > A few years back I bought a set of delorean christmas cards. I 
> thought the artwork with Santa standing next to a DMC was very well 
> done. My family and friends loved getting them too. When I bought 
> them they mentioned they were down to their last few boxes. Just 
> wondering if anyone had any interst in reproducing them or who made 
> them? With the holidays coming up its a nice touch. ......
> > 
> > mike c 
> > 2109


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