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Date: Saturday, December 13, 2003 4:02 AM

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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: No Power
From: Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>

2. Automatic car washes- A bad idea?
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

3. DeLoreans in Nigeria?
From: "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

4. Re: No Power
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

5. Re: Squishy Brakes.
From: "Steve Abbott" <abbotts_at_dml_aardvark.net.au>

6. a few questions
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

7. Re: No Power
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

8. No power
From: John Podlewski <john_podlewski_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. need help urgently
From: "corradodelorean" <corrado63_at_dml_hotmail.com>

10. DeLorean Car Show Update
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Speedo Recalibration-UPDATE-CONCLUSION---Addendum 1a---
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. NYTimes.com Article: Eugene A. Cafiero, President of Chrysler in Time of Crisis, Dies at 77
From: james_at_dml_usadmc.com

13. RE: DeLoreans in Nigeria?
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_i-c.net>

14. RE: a few questions
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

15. Re: DeLoreans in Nigeria?
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

16. Re: Automatic car washes- A bad idea?
From: Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>

17. Re: D Rex on WGN TV Chicago, Dec. 12, 2003
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

18. Re: Cold Start
From: "james" <dmc_12_2180_at_dml_msn.com>

19. Re: DeLoreans in Nigeria? *warning*
From: "ronin5030" <yahoo_at_dml_oneskydojo.com>

20. Re: No power
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

21. Re: Automatic car washes- A bad idea?
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:50:39 -0500
From: Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
Subject: Re: No Power

perhaps your pickup hose is weak and getting collapsed during the suction of fuel?

Regards,

Michael


per

Quoting John Podlewski <john_podlewski_at_dml_yahoo.com>:

> Quick question, when my Delorean acellerates it dies and sputters but idles
> great around 950 R.P.M's. what could it be? Fuel dist. is working like it
> should and all new injectors have been installed, vacum is advancing and the
> and timing checks, fuel pressure is what it should be ecu is working fine to.
> 



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:14:13 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Automatic car washes- A bad idea?

Hey guys,

I took my car out for an extended drive. Now it's dirty and it's 
colder than a witch's teat outside.

Of course I prefer to hand wash my DeLorean but it's too cold for 
that. Due to the ventilation grilles on the engine cover, is it a bad 
idea to run a DeLorean through an automatic, drive-in car wash such 
as the types commonly found at gas stations?

Opinions are welcome.

Rich A.
#5335




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:18:08 -0000
From: "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: DeLoreans in Nigeria?

This seems like an extremely odd question, but how many DeLoreans do 
you suppose exist in Nigeria?  One of the first parts inquiries that 
we have received is from Nigeria, and for a fairly large number of 
parts.  The originator of the message appears to be serious about 
buying all of these parts and having them shipped home.  I know that 
there are a number of scams that start in that country, but he wants 
me to run his credit card for the purchase.  Any thoughts on the 
matter would be welcome.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
DeLorean Parts Northwest, LLC
Home of Winged1




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:48:08 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: No Power

Besides possibly needing a tune up with fresh parts (spark plugs, air
filter, ignition wires) the most common causes are vacuum leaks (old
rubber hoses crack, split, and don't seal well) or the Lambda system
isn't working (first check the relay that supplies power to the Lambda
system, they seem to have a high failure rate).
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, John Podlewski <john_podlewski_at_dml_y...>
wrote:
> Quick question, when my Delorean acellerates it dies and sputters
but idles great around 950 R.P.M's. what could it be? Fuel dist. is
working like it should and all new injectors have been installed,
vacum is advancing and the and timing checks, fuel pressure is what it
should be ecu is working fine to. 



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:06:04 -0000
From: "Steve Abbott" <abbotts_at_dml_aardvark.net.au>
Subject: Re: Squishy Brakes.

Another brake bleed is a likely solution. But in addition to what has 
been said already, it is possible that the hard stop caused the brake 
pad surfaces to glaze. This reduces the effectiveness of the friction 
material and can givea "mushy" pedal. Pull the pads out and rub the 
friction face of them on some coarse sandpaper to fix it. Be careful 
not to come in contact with any of the dust of course. Also, fresh 
brake fluid can quickly attack old flexible brake hoses, making them 
so soft that they bulge under brake fluid pressure ("mushy" pedal 
again) Hoses can even swell to the point where they restict fluid 
movement or even block completely, although this is very unlikely in 
your case. 

BTW, its so good to find that everyone here says "brakes" instead 
of "breaks", as lots of folks seem to do other places  :)

Cheers
Steve Abbott





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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:33:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: a few questions

Hey group,

I'm working on one of those reproduction window stickers from mid-state dmc club right now. Does anyone know what the dealers name from San Francisco is? I'll need a full address and everything. I'm thinking it was Stanford Lincoln-Mercury in Menlo Park, because I've got a lot of reciepts for work done to the car from the mid '80s from there. Also, wasn't the port of entry for the west coast San Diego? There is also a number in parenthesis next to the "shipped to (dealer name and address)" in the top right hand corner. What is this, and is there any way of knowing what number mine is supposed to be? How do I find out what my engine number is too?

My next question is I saw an online store a while back that carried large DeLorean vinyl wall banners. I've lost the link to it, does anyone know what I'm talking about? And has anyone bought one of these, and if so, what's your opinion of them? There's also a guy who sells large aluminum "DMC" letters on ebay to hang on your wall. There's one on ebay now, Item number: 2447765138. Has anyone bought a set of these, and if so what did you think of them? Thanks for putting up with my mindless ramblings... lol.

Louie VIN 5252

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:47:32 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: No Power

A number of things could be at issue here - however, generally, 
since you say it dies, the problem is probably spark related. Like 
not enough. Check all of the connections at the resistor, the coil 
wire (be sure it is not damaged and fully inserted), the connections 
at the coil and probably the coil itself.

Harold McElraft - 3354



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, John Podlewski <john_podlewski_at_dml_y...> 
wrote:
> Quick question, when my Delorean acellerates it dies and sputters 
but idles great around 950 R.P.M's. what could it be? Fuel dist. is 
working like it should and all new injectors have been installed, 
vacum is advancing and the and timing checks, fuel pressure is what 
it should be ecu is working fine to. 



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:17:09 -0800 (PST)
From: John Podlewski <john_podlewski_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: No power

O.K today and a fellow delorean, who is nice enough to not only help me fix my car but keep it at his house for weeks on end now, with hours and hours of labor into it I can't say thanks enough.  Anyway, we put all new gaskets and o-rings on the top half of the engine and all vacum lines are hooked up right, but there still is no power on acelleration.  It idles okay but could it be the C.P.R?   Because fuel pressure is about 70 both before the C.P.R which is way to high and also at the F.D. cold or hot it is the same.  Or do I have another problem downline of the C.P.R. the rest pressure is about 43 and the leak down time checks with the manual so I don't know.


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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:19:54 -0000
From: "corradodelorean" <corrado63_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: need help urgently

Hey,
my name is corrado i am from germany.

is there anywone close to this dealer?
it sells a delorean.
my ask:
someone knows the dealer?
someone can look at the delorean for my?

by a mistake on ebay, I must buy it :-(

her the adress

Eugene Executive Auto Sales
800-481-2114
541-342-2111
sales_at_dml_executiveauto.com

Eugene, Oregon
United States /Portland 

on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=2446314190

thank you for your assistance

corrado




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:48:29 EST
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Car Show Update

We are still upgrading the web page and will be adding more information over 
the next few weeks.

Registration materials will be ready very shortly and will be on the 
registration page in time for Christmas.

If you have not seen the web page lately you may want to check out the guests 
on Saturday and the guess who's coming to Pigeon Forge section.

Pricing for the show has been determined and the registration page has been 
designed and is in the final editing  process so be patient we are almost Ready 

There are plenty of rooms but remember this is a summer vacation hot spot and 
many hotels will be filling up starting Jan 1.  We have plenty of rooms but 
we will need to return any unbooked rooms 30 days before the show so please do 
not wait to register.  The room reservations is almost 50% more at this point 
as it was for Memphis at this time so we are looking forward to another great 
turnout. (go to hotel on the web page for more info)

The Raffle car will have a section of its own later in Jan. and we will 
update you as to its progress and location. 

We plan to move the car around a bit over the next 6 months.

For those of you that have not seen on the web page Claudia Wells (Jennifer 
Parker in BTTF1) will be joining us at the show and from the conversations we 
have had with her, this is going to be a great time as she is looking forward 
to seeing all of  you.

Ken
www.deloreancarshow.com

See you in Pigeon Forge


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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:13:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Speedo Recalibration-UPDATE-CONCLUSION---Addendum 1a---

An FYI,
If it's the custom 140 face I had Ryan make for my Indiglo Kit:
http://205.133.7.130/images/140-Speedo-Lorez.jpg
("MPH" and "km" text were added later)

The settings for re-calibration are: "1000 RPM speedo cable input speed equals 60
MPH on the speedo face needle."
(quote taken from DMC-News "Zine" #3, 1998, article "How Fast Is It?" by Marty
Maier). My face's beginning and ending are the same as Marty's so calibration
settings are the same.

Thanks again, Marty!

Shannon Y
16506
 
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:48:55 -0000
From: "videobob11" < videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com >
Subject: Re: Speedometer Recalibration - UPDATE - CONCLUSION

OK everyone,
this is what I have learned about getting your speedometer recalibrated. I know



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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:03:58 -0500 (EST)
From: james_at_dml_usadmc.com
Subject: NYTimes.com Article: Eugene A. Cafiero, President of Chrysler in Time of Crisis, Dies at 77

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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:07:21 -0500
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_i-c.net>
Subject: RE: DeLoreans in Nigeria?

I have been scammed by people in Nigeria and Indonesia.  They will say,
process the card and even wait 30 days to ship it.  The problem is that you
will get a charge back 60 days later and you will fight it for months.  I
sold some stuff back in May and I am still fighting charge backs.

If they want it, have them send the money via Western Union.  You get cash
that way and you are safe.

Jack.


-----Original Message-----
From: Toby Peterson [mailto:tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com]
Subject: [DML] DeLoreans in Nigeria?


This seems like an extremely odd question, but how many DeLoreans do
you suppose exist in Nigeria?  One of the first parts inquiries that
we have received is from Nigeria, and for a fairly large number of
parts.  The originator of the message appears to be serious about
buying all of these parts and having them shipped home.  I know that
there are a number of scams that start in that country, but he wants
me to run his credit card for the purchase.  Any thoughts on the
matter would be welcome.



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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:55:48 -0600
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: a few questions

If you have your original valet with all the paperwork there is a little 
black book in there called "dealer list", that would tell you.
I have seen this list reporduced on the net several times but I forget 
where.
You might want to google search it.

I don't know about the banners, but I have the letters on my wall.
They look ok I guess, they are cheap enough.
- vb



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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:57:35 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: DeLoreans in Nigeria?

You are right to be suspicious. DO NOT deal with ANYONE from Africa,
Nigeria in particular. It seems there is a whole industry around
fraudulant money schemes. I personally have received counterfeit
cashier's checks from people in Nigeria. The bank will give you cash
for it when present it but when it is found to be bad they will take
the money back from you and you will be out the mechandise. Worse
still, these people will usually send you a check for more than the
deal and ask for cash back from you! Now you are out REAL money AND
the merchandise! These people troll websites that have things
advertised for sale and are not interested in the merchandise, they
are just going to scam you for cash! Tell them to send a cashier's
check for the EXACT amount (in American dollars of course) and let
them know you will deposit the money and wait 2 weeks for it to clear
before releasing ANYTHING if you still want to go ahead and try to
deal with them. They have turned the saying "buyer beware" around! Now
it is the seller that has to worry. Don't think that you will insult
them, just say that this is the way you will do business with anyone
not in the USA. If the deal falls through don't give it a second
thought because it was never a real deal at all. Anyone who is "real"
will easily agree to your terms. "Be careful out there" In the event
the credit card is actually good I would guess it was stolen so you
are aiding a thief and in essance receiving stolen goods (money). This
could come back to bite you especially if the card was stolen in the
US. It could look like you are part of the scheme!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> This seems like an extremely odd question, but how many DeLoreans do 
> you suppose exist in Nigeria?  One of the first parts inquiries that 
> we have received is from Nigeria, and for a fairly large number of 
> parts.  The originator of the message appears to be serious about 
> buying all of these parts and having them shipped home.  I know that 
> there are a number of scams that start in that country, but he wants 
> me to run his credit card for the purchase.  Any thoughts on the 
> matter would be welcome.
> 
> Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
> DeLorean Parts Northwest, LLC
> Home of Winged1




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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:22:05 -0500
From: Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
Subject: Re: Automatic car washes- A bad idea?

my father owns a car wash and as long as you clear the height of the track and
don't scrape along it you will be fine. I do notice sometimes my passenger
mirror flips backwards but that's nothing serious. I also don't use a broom on
my car so... 

Regards,

Michael


Quoting cruznmd <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>:

> Hey guys,
> 
> I took my car out for an extended drive. Now it's dirty
> Of course I prefer to hand wash my DeLorean but it's too cold for 
> that. Due to the ventilation grilles on the engine cover, is it a bad 
> idea to run a DeLorean through an automatic, drive-in car wash such 
> as the types commonly found at gas stations?



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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:44:46 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: D Rex on WGN TV Chicago, Dec. 12, 2003

Man, was it cold out there early this morning, but even in
this bitter cold, the D Rex and GT40 RC started up at 5am.
Everything went well with everything Steve and I had to do,
but of course, you cannot control everything that happens.

What is it about interviewers that they wait until the last
minute to shoot some video, then do not follow directions.
I refer to this as the "Dennis Gage" syndrome and those
of you at the Evansville Car Show last year know what I
mean.  Dennis tried to start the D Rex several times with
the push button start without the ignition switch turned on.

Yes, it happened again - they just do not follow directions.
They cannot start D Rex on camera, then I start it OK off 
camera.  Oh well, that's showbiz.  At least they did the first
segment of the interview with me with both the D Rex and
the GT40 RC running in the background, so at least viewers
heard both vehicles running and know they worked just fine.

The segments were shot with the temperature in the single
digits and the wind chill at about -10 degrees by 7am.
Needless to say the door struts did not hold the doors on
the D Rex all the way open, adding to some disappointment.

Overall, the segments went well and if anyone looked like
they didn't know what to do, it was the two interviewers.
I'm sure Tamir will will cut a couple of segments down and
post them to both his website and my D Projects website.

BTW:  We were asked to come back next spring, when the
          weather is a little warmer for more outside LIVE TV.

Later,
Rich W. 



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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:59:58 -0000
From: "james" <dmc_12_2180_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Cold Start

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I read the cold start advice given in the technical advice section 
in DMC news, and checking the Thermo-time switch didnt work, for me ,, 
> what next?

> what do you mean by 'didn't work'?
> please be more specific - this is an easy one if we know the 
problem.
> 
> Andy


  Andy, I read that if you take the electrical plug off of the thermo 
time switch and while someone tries to start the car use a jumper 
wire and from the blue wire touch to fround, if car starts, its the 
thrmo time swich, well, i did that and car didnt start , was 
wondering what to try next 



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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:08:09 -0000
From: "ronin5030" <yahoo_at_dml_oneskydojo.com>
Subject: Re: DeLoreans in Nigeria? *warning*

*** WARNING *** 

I have recently heard of friends receiving large orders for 
merchandise (books in that case) from Nigeria. The scam is to offer a 
forged/stolen credit card. Once they receive the goods they resell 
them and YOU are out of the $$$. 

Mike
(future owner of 17084)

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> This seems like an extremely odd question, but how many DeLoreans 
do you suppose exist in Nigeria?  One of the first parts inquiries 
that we have received is from Nigeria, and for a fairly large number of 
> parts.



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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:27:37 -0500
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Re: No power

According to my Bosch book, a high Cold and Warm system pressure indicates a
restriction in the return line from the Control Pressure Regulator.
Remove both hoses from the CPR and look down into the holes. You should see
a wire mesh screen in the bottom of the supply line hole. This sometimes
gets plugged up. Use shop air to blow it out. Also check the hose itself for
blockage.
Check that the frequency valve is buzzing also.
Dave Sontos
vin 02573


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Podlewski" <john_podlewski_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: [DML] No power

 Because fuel pressure is about 70 both before the C.P.R which is way to
high and also at the F.D. cold or hot it is the same.  Or do I have another
problem downline of the C.P.R. the rest pressure is about 43 and the leak
down time checks with the manual so I don't know.




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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:19:04 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Automatic car washes- A bad idea?

In a message dated 12/12/03 10:38:36 AM Central Standard Time, 
racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com writes:
Hey guys,

I took my car out for an extended drive. Now it's dirty
 is it a bad idea to run a DeLorean through an automatic, drive-in car wash such as the types commonly found at gas stations?

Opinions are welcome.

Rich A.
#5335

I have taken mine through touch-free washes w/o a problem, but i hate it.  
the soap removes the tire dressing and other shine enhancing products you 
probably have all over your louvers and lights and rub strips and such.  you might 
find some water leaks too under the pressure.  won't hurt anything though 
unless your louvers and engine covers are already broken.

Andy




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