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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1789
Date: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:57 AM

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There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: DMC Bulletins Added to Tech Page
From: "Scott Mueller" <>

2. Re: TOBY-TAB update

3. Need help in the North West
From: "Elvis Nocita" <>

4. Re: ALL Calendar orders to be shipped Monday...

5. Nigerian scams

6. Re: TOBY-TAB update
From: Shannon Yocom <>

7. Water pump replacement (a long one!)

8. RE: Automatic car washes- A bad idea?
From: "Kevin Abato" <>

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:11:45 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <>
Subject: RE: DMC Bulletins Added to Tech Page

What a great resource.

What would be even better is the ability to download the entire set as one,
se3archable PDF.

Scott Mueller

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Swingle [] 
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:44 PM
Subject: [DML] DMC Bulletins Added to Tech Page

Thanks to a very industrious anonymous donor, we now have the 
complete set of technical bulletins archived on (in 
addition to the parts manual). Link from the "Tech" page or from 
the "Files" page. 

Dave S


Message: 2
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:55:07 EST
Subject: Re: TOBY-TAB update

Where can I order a set of the "tabs'" for a 1981 & 1983 DMC?

Michael Pack


Message: 3
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:12:34 +0100
From: "Elvis Nocita" <>
Subject: Need help in the North West

Hey guys,

is somebody out there in the north-west near Eugene, Oregon ?

I need someone to take a look at a car, especially the frame and 
other details that can be hidden on pictures.

Any help is appreciated



Message: 4
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:59:38 -0600
Subject: Re: ALL Calendar orders to be shipped Monday...

Yes, the calendars are ready to go and ALL orders will be mailed First
Class tomorrow (Monday, Dec. 15).  Watch you box for delivery if you need
to get it before your spouse does!

-Thank you for your support.

We will be in town over The Holidays, and available to ship new calendar
orders as needed (flu symptoms permitting!).  The calendar helps to fund
the magazine, and we appreciate your business.  (see order info below).


Ron and Cheryl Wester

Now available for $15.00 ea. (US shipping included).
Canadian: add $1.50 ea. shipping.
Foreign: add $5.00 ea. shipping.
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     GULLWING Magazine
     P.O. Box 991
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:43:55 EST
Subject: Nigerian scams

Toby and anybody else that are in business or has received offers to make 
millions: Just type in "Nigerian scams" in your favorite search engine and you 
will be in for some  interesting reading! This is a HUGE machine and vey well 
organized -- to the peril of all victims. The "409 Coalition", the US State 
Deparment (CIA), FBI, the Federal Banking Commission and the authorities in many 
countries are well familiar with the many modes of the Nigerian Mob operations. 
Reading the stories by US Citizens that succumbed to the lure is sobering and 
one can not help but wonder how people can be that gullible.
Kudos to Toby for reacting to the old adage: If it sounds too good to be true 
-- it ain't!

VIN 1074

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:29:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Shannon Yocom <>
Subject: Re: TOBY-TAB update

Bottomline - The TOBY-TAB is the best that can be had,   

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
DeLorean Parts Northwest, LLC

If speaking of the bolt itself - agreed. 
If speaking of the setup as a whole I would like to respectfully disagree.
I would think the "Bauerle Bracket" is better.
No, not just because I have it installed on my car but for the fact that it
supports the other end of the bolt and can act as a "catch" IF need be. More info

I will have to check with Dave as to how old my bolts are (possibly NOS) but I
know that the brackets have been on this car since the late 80s. This year (my
1st yr of ownership) I have put on over 17k (rather aggressive) miles and no
problems/bendings of the bolts.

Like mentioned before, if more info is needed on his braket setup please call him
to discuss as Dave is not "on-line" (his number can be found at the 1st link). I
do believe he will be at Pigeon Forge as will my car if any want to see it first
hand. (Ken, you wanna bring a lift? ;-)

Shannon Y


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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:32:51 EST
Subject: Water pump replacement (a long one!)

This is a thank you message, but first let me give some background:

Back in May my D decided to dump the coolant right as I pulled in to a Volvo 
dealership lot (while picking up my car that was in for regular service). I 
didn't have time to tow it back home so I asked my favorite mechanic there to 
take a look and I would call back. When I came back they had replaced one of the 
short hoses on top, at a cost of $146.70 but it still had a leak, "probably 
the water pump". I was quoted $1250 to $1500 to replace the pump. I had heard 
and read here about the tribulations of that job and since there was no way I 
would pay that much I decided to do it myself. For various reasons I didn't 
have time to get to it until about a month ago. In the meantime I had been 
studying the manual, parts manual, service bulletins and although they gave me a 
pretty good idea what I was in for I ended up several times just standing there 
staring at the jumble of components, hoses and fuel lines to figure out where 
to start. In desperation I started to search the arcives and came across two 
excellent articles that proved to be invaluable! At the end of the disassembly 
process the engine compartment looked like a x-mas tree, with connection tags 
on strings all over the place. The reassembly process is going as well as can 
be expeted -- slower than molasses, but I don't mind the time because I 
certainly don't want to redo it!

The only problem (so far) is that I broke off one of the 7Mx35 socket head 
bolts on the back of the waterpump housing when I disassembled tho old one to 
get the back casing for the new pump. Have you ever tried to find that type and 
size of a bolt? Impossible locally and that includes mayn well stocked 
hardware stores, industrial fastener dealers and Volvo and other import shops! Almost 
two days wasted running around until I gave up and called Rob.

Now to the kudos:
A sincere thank you to Dave Swingle and Peter Lucas for their write-ups and 
pictures in the Tech Archives. Without the help of what they wrote I would 
probably have been stumped several times and probably made a number of mistakes! 
And a great big thank you to Rob Grady for his invaluable advice during 
several phone calls and for their rapid deliveries of the parts! (Now, if the USPS 
Express Overnight snail mail would deliver the 7mm bolt I can get the intake 
and all the rest of the spagetti reinstalled!)

I have said it before: Without the DML experts and archives and your favorite 
parts suppliers, the Delorean would just be a memory! 

VIN 1074

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:07:45 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <>
Subject: RE: Automatic car washes- A bad idea?

One of the previous owners of my car had taken it through car washes
with brushes.  End result was a ton of swirl marks in the stainless that
were very obvious when close up.  It took me some time and patience to
fix it up again with a scotch brite pad.

I would recommend against brush and bristle.

Also, some places still apply the wax even when you ask them not to.
For this reason I also avoid car washes, and wash manually by hand.

Hey...its me favorite toy!  Washing by hand just means I get to spend
more time with it!  ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Video Bob [] 
Subject: Re: [DML] Automatic car washes- A bad idea?

As long as all your trim is good and the seals are tight you should be


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