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To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1800
Date: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:51 AM

There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Prototypes, legend and lore
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

2. DeLorean Car Show Registration
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Prototypes, legend and lore
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

4. RE: Re: Prototype Delorean photographs
From: MichaelRPack1_at_dml_cs.com

5. Re: Re: Prototype (and other early Deloreans)
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com>

6. Oil Drain Plug
From: Tom Watkins <dmctom_at_dml_earthlink.net>

7. 3299 is going to Grady's
From: Enid/Jeremiah <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. Toby Tabs Rear Suspension
From: "Mike" <mquinto_at_dml_attbi.com>

9. Re: 3299 is going to Grady's
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

10. RE: Toby Tabs Rear Suspension
From: "Gary Hull" <Specialty_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>

11. Re: History of PRV
From: rbrogren_at_dml_aol.com

12. RE: Oil Drain Plug
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

13. Re: Prototypes, legend and lore
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

14. Registration
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: PRV oil distribution problems
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

16. Re: Toby Tabs Rear Suspension
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

17. DeLorean on Monster House
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 05:28:02 -0000
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Prototypes, legend and lore

What stops the car manuf.from selling off those cars is Lialibity 
lawsuits,That is the reason Ferrari has a huge Ferrari junkyard of 
perfect(and very expensive)Ferrari's piled one on top of the 
other.They will NOT even sell a shifter nob off any of those pre-
production cars.It is a combination of not wanting to put in the 
hands of the general public a car that Might have  unengineered 
problems,that could cause a major problem.and the FACT that those 
cars are put into EXTREME testing,that could make those cars unsafe 
for general public use,and if, one of those cars got into the general 
public,and caused a major accident---well guess who would be involved 
in a major ligitation/lawsuit.Mostly the courts would award a 
judgement award and a major pumitive damage award,knowing,the the car 
manufaucturing company released a "unsafe car".

Claude 00570 

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_l...> 
wrote:
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_p...> 
wrote:
> > 
> While it may be against the rules, what's really to stop a 
> manufacturer from just issuing a VIN plate to a pilot car? Since it 
> really is up to the manufacturer to destroy a pilot car, it's 
really 
> more of an "honor system" kinda thing. Nevermind any "foolproof" 
> system to prevent this from happening being in place. There just 
> isn't a system at all as I understand it.
> 
> Otherwise, is this an actual law from the DOT/NHTA/EPA That these 
> vehicles MUST be destroyed, or is it just a mutal agreement that 
> selling them to consumers is frowned upon?
> 
> Besides, perhaps this was a great way for the company to reward 
it's 
> executives without having to deplete their inventory that was to 
fill 
> the high backorder of cars at the time?
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:47:52 EST
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Car Show Registration

I have gotten a number of questions on whether the registration is open or 
not since its still is not on the registration page.

Yes it is open

use the (Delorean Car Show Store is Open) button on the left.

The form should be up on the registration page this weekend for payment by 
check

You can use paypal at the DCS Store and that includes Pigeon Forge 
registration.

We have been debugging it and as of now it seems to work real well so feel 
free to register.
There have been quite a few people already registered and magazine sales have 
really picked up. (We have Plenty just ran more)

We are still a few days away from Credit cards due to a software glitch so 
bear with us on that. The software company is do to let us know on Monday so it 
will be a few days but you can  use credit card on paypal.

Thanks

Ken
DeLorean Car Show Inc
DeLorean Car Show Magazine
www.deloreancarshow.com


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:24:42 -0000
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Prototypes, legend and lore



arugg!

I have Video that shows this Line in action,that is how I know!!
These are NOT to be confuised with the HAND BUILT cars,they were HAND 
assembled cars,teams were assigned to these 40 or so cars,to do what 
had to be done,before the production cars came rolling down the 
assembly line. All the Pre-production cars HAD engine covers that 
were WHITE on the inside part(where the stickers were placed).(I 
would guess for easy identifaction before the vin plates were 
installed)leather dashes,Rivited on panels under the tubular control 
arms on the rear of the cars(production cars had welded on ones)
Basically ALL the parts were Delivered (normal)parts for production 
cars,but these cars,were hand assembled.All used Black interiors.

Claude
00570

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Mark Valuch <dmcvin6683_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> Ok you have a hand assembled production car.
> 
> Now truly if your car is a prototype what parts are different than 
a 
> production car?
> 
> Mark
> 6683 prototype?
> 
> 
> On Friday, December 19, 2003, at 01:28 PM, fivetwofive wrote:
> 
> > Hand assembled meaning that they were NOT on a "regular" 
production
> > line/run,meaning that the cars were indivutally assembled,NOT 
parts
> > added on as it was going along on a Tellus production assembly
> > line.There was NO pressure to assemble items on the car,(as it 
would
> > be on a normal assembly line).In other words "hand 
assembled".Without
> > the Tellus moving onto the next stage of assembly.Teams assigned 
to
> > work/learn/hand assemble ect.Before the Start of the "real"
> > production line. Maybe this clearifies things
> > Claude
> > 00570




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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:48:48 -0500
From: MichaelRPack1_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: RE: Re: Prototype Delorean photographs


There were several prototypes at LOTUS that were painted orange, blue, white, yellow and red. There is a picture of an orange prototype in SSI. I have early prototype pictures from Lotus featuring painted cars, a Stainless steel chassis in Grade 409 not grade 304, different crumple tubes, and interiors.

Sincerely,
Michael Pack



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 04:12:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Prototype (and other early Deloreans)


> Also, note that some cars were "pulled" from the
> production line
> early on and at least some of these cars became
> factory RHD cars
> and were re-assigned later VIN's as they were
> actually sold.
This is very true.There is a very early car here in
Sydney,VIN 510.This car is a Wooler Hodec converted
car but kept its low VIN.Is an interesting car with a
real mix of features.It has the early dark wheels but
the later bonnet with no relief lines or gas flap.It
was cool to see such an early car in the flesh.

Andrew
Sydney,Australia
VIN 2883

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:51:01 -0500
From: Tom Watkins <dmctom_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Oil Drain Plug

List,

Which size Oil Drain plug does our car use?

  1/2 x 20,   M14 x 1.5,   M12 x 1.25,  M12 x 1.75,  M18 x 1.5

I installed the Fram Sure-Drain plug on 2 of my cars and it works great. 
 No messy hands and no searching for the right wrench.

Thanks   Tom







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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:12:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Enid/Jeremiah <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: 3299 is going to Grady's

You read right.
Given the fact that I am now in my fourth garage - and that I have driven my car 6 miles since Nov 11th and I have already put almost $5000 in parts and labor into this car, I am going to send it to Rob and get the rest done right.

I am very happy about the work that has been done as is, but I can only wonder how much more trouble is lurking under that SS body.  I am going to set a limit as to how much in dollars I want done (probably around $7000 or so), and I'm going to ask him to fix everything that could be/is fatal to that car.  I'm talking that I'm ready to replace the entire fuel system, cooling system - whatever it takes to get this car to be a safe and dependable WEEKEND car.  I figure the shipping cost will be far outweighed by the costs I could entail to have local mechanics try to fix and order parts that may not be necessary. 
 
Does anyone have any experience as far as a job of this magnitude with Grady?  What is the kind of turnaround time needed for a job of this magnitude?  I have no problem with waiting until next May or even longer - his work sounds like it's far worth the waiting time.  I have seen before and after pictures of cars he has worked on, and to say the least, I have been in complete awe just looking at the quality of his work.  Does anyone have any advice/thoughts/stories/proof as to how long it takes to get a car back from him?  With the kind of work I'm looking at having done to this car, I really wouldn't be surprised if I didn't see my car for months ;).
 
One other thing...I am going to be speaking with CarFax soon.  Given the fact that the spedometer was shot when I got this car, my report reads the same number of miles in 1995 as I see on the odometer today.  I know given that since it's a DeLorean, CarFax will probably try to read through the lines.  Bottom line is - I have mileage fraud.  I have receipts almost in excess of $5000+.  There needs to be some form of compensation.  Anyone think I may have a case there?  


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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:37:52 -0000
From: "Mike" <mquinto_at_dml_attbi.com>
Subject: Toby Tabs Rear Suspension

Rich, Dave And List,
  I did speak with my Forman yesterday  about the Pearce rear 
suspension. I showed him pics from his web page.
He definitely liked the look and the setup of the rear trailing arm. 
All the fixes are there. He's got it in dual shear locking out the 
movement of the pivot bolt. That pivot box is now locking out the 
forward and aft movement, that is what we want. But, the Rod End is 
still allowing that up and down
radial movement, that we need. His setup will prevent any stress on 
the bolt, pivot box and frame.

  I know most of us can't afford a new stainless steel frame with 
rear trailing arms. Even if you can there are still the little 
things you have to buy, swap out or restore when doing a job like 
that. So here are some solutions if anyone would like to consider 
building or refine.

  Fix #1 The Toby Bolt, an inexpensive solution to a bent OEM pivot 
bolt. But remember it's still only a temporary fix.

  Fix #2 Use the Toby Bolt. Modify the rear trailing arm. Cut the 
end of the trailing pivot boss off, add a plate with a threaded 
bung, and add a spherical bearing rod end.
But, leaving the upper and lower connecting links stock rubber. I 
know I said in my previous post to make the outer connector links 
rod ends. 
I forgot about the forward and aft movement on the pivot bolt. 
Adding the rod ends there would make that worse.

  Fix #3 Get rid of the trailing arm bushing 106716 , and the 
reinforcement plate 106708. Build a small steal box structure about 
the same size as the side of the reinforcement plate. You would then 
bolt the box structure to the frame using the same mounting holes 
the reinforcement plate used.
Then do the trailing arm modification in fix #2. But here I would 
scrap both upper and lower connecting links and replace them with 
all rod ends. This would allow for camber adjustment as well.
This fix would mimic what Pearce is doing to his stainless chassis. 
This also would definitely improve cornering.

  And those of you that are skeptical about using spherical rod ends 
as suspension pivots. The off-road community have been doing it for 
years. Some use them as pivots for there front a arms and rear 
trailing arms. And they are driving in a more brutal environment 
without failure. 
  On our cars we use delrin as pivot bushings on both front and rear
suspension pivots. We use rod ends for our steering system, drag 
link, connector link, and both tie rods. We also have a collapsible 
roll cage. So we use 4 rollbar struts on all 4 corners at an angle 
that have spherical rod ends. These allow us to adjust the preload 
on the rollcage. Our rollcage has gone through intense testing and 
passed without any damage to the spherical rod ends.

Here's a link showing the parts drawing of the trailing arm 
suspension.
http://www.usadmc.com/dmcstore/ViewDir.asp?PageID=69&PageCat=5%
2DSuspension+and+Steering

If anyone else has any more ideas or improvements I would love to 
hear 'em.
Regards,
Mike








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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:17:12 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: 3299 is going to Grady's

You are correct in thinking that the cost of shipping will be offset
by the quality and speed of the work you will get in Rob's shop. The
only problem is his backlog. It could take a while before he can even
get to it. A better plan would be to do as much as you can while
making an appointment and then shipping the car to him, this way at
least the car is sitting by you. Another alternative could be to speak
to Rob and have him help you find a shop in your area that he deals
with. He can ship whatever parts are needed and walk your mechanic
through whatever needs to be done. Some cars sit at Rob's shop for 6
months before he can get to them. If you have a really small job he
does break his schedule and work on it quickly but anything big will
sit in line. On the subject of mileage, the previous owner signed the
title with the mileage. If it is not the # on the odometer you might
have a case of misrepresentation. It would cost a lot to go to court
and the court can make the seller take the car back and compensate you
for your expenses but it can take a long time. Just remember that the
angle drive on the car could have been broken for a long time so the
odometer will be understated. This is really a case of buyer beware,
you bought the car as is, where is. A better way to judge mileage is
by wear on the car, for instance measuring the tread of the tires,
wear on the interior, the pedals, the engine, etc. Problems with the
car (except for wearable items like tires and brakes) are not so much
mileage dependent as they are more caused by the way the car was
stored and maintained. An incompetant mechanic can ruin a low mileage
car. IMHO under the BEST circumstances you will not get any
compensation, you will spend a lot of money in legal fees, and you MAY
get the court to reverse the sale forcing the buyer to get the car
back. Consider this an expensive lesson in used cars. Having someone
come and look the car over BEFORE you bought it would have prepared
you better for the expenses in store for you. You could have done that
and then decided not to buy this particular car. That is how the court
will look at this. They will not automatically think the seller
intended to defraud you since you had an oppertunity to inspect the
car and walk away. Do not expect the court to provide justice. You
need to protect yourself in the first place.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Enid/Jeremiah <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_y...>
wrote:
> You read right.
> Given the fact that I am now in my fourth garage - and that I have
driven my car 6 miles since Nov 11th and I have already put almost
$5000 in parts and labor into this car, I am going to send it to Rob
and get the rest done right.
> 




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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:02:19 -0800
From: "Gary Hull" <Specialty_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>
Subject: RE: Toby Tabs Rear Suspension

The DeLorean Car Show Registration page at 
www.deloreancarshow.com/registration.html 
now has links to the DCS Store 
Store.DeLoreanCarShow.com 
and to a Printable Registration Form at
www.deloreancarshow.com/dcs-2004/registration.pdf 

Gary
IN2TIME





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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:35:48 EST
From: rbrogren_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: History of PRV

Thanks Bill, that made for some interesting reading!

Evidently the original design was started as a joint venture by Pegueot and 
Renault in 1969, then they joined forces with Volvo in 1971 and the three 
formed a joint company, PRV, PLC, in Douvrin, France. The first engine was pruduced 
in 1974. Each of the companies made some changes and evidently it was Volvo 
that messed up the oiling system in their pre-1980 versions. I guess we have to 
thank them all for the asinine coolant distribution system!

The most interesting part is that the original design was intended to be a 
V-8! 
I have copied a part from "Swedish Bricks" below about that, but what he 
didn't say is that Volvo fixed the oil pump, oil galleys and camshaft hardening 
problems before the Volvo-PRV engines were shipped to DMC

Thanks again!
Roger


>>>>>>
In a message dated 12/18/2003 10:38:03 PM Central Standard Time, 
dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com (Bill Robertson) writes:
Subject: Re: History of PRV

See:

http://members.fortunecity.com/perttim/therenault30file/id20.html

Douvrin produced nearly 1 million PRV's. Production spanned quarter
century. Engine definitely has quirks and honest to goodness
weaknesses, but reputation undeserved. See related discussions in:

http://www.swedishbricks.com
http://www.brickboard.com

My DeLorean burns a Renault PRV BTW (European equivalent of B27 in
your Volvo). Original owner melted factory block.

Bill Robertson
#5939
>>>>>>>>>>>>.
The following is snipped from the "brickboard".
I sensed a general feeling of 'dislike' towards the Peugeot-Renault-Volvo V6 
engine, and couldn't help but to get the idea that some people blame the 
french manufacturers for it's downsides. Now, I happen to own an '85 Renault 25 
with the 2664cc PRV engine, and I haven't yet heard a bad word spoken of it. Now, 
if you'll allow me, i'd like to clear out a few things about this 
controversial piece of machinery...

First of all, the engine was mostly done in cooperation amongst Peugeot, 
Renault and Volvo, and it was intended to become a V8 originally. Imagine what had 
happened if that had succeeded... 3.5 liter Hemi-V8's, can you say FUN??

So what went wrong? The oil crisis struck, and they figured they'll make a V6 
insted, and sawed off the existing cylinders from the already cast blocks, 
marks of this can be seen in the first production blocks. The manufacturers took 
what they had created and all went their separate ways and finished the 
engine on their own, so everyone's version is a little bit diffrent than the 
others. Volvo ended up screwing the oil system and therefore the Volvo PRV V6 which 
can be found in the DeLorean (it has a Renault transmission however) is not 
exactly the most durable thing around. How about the French versions then? They 
are the B20's of V6 engines, the blocks are virtually indestructible ( quarter 
million miles is no big deal for these, mine is approaching this mark ) and 
pack a quite nice punch. At 2.7L size, the Renault generates 144hp with K-Jet 
FI and Peugeot is right there with them. Not bad for something designed in the 
70's.

Okay, so the HP ratings don't vary that much, but the diffrences in 
reliability are dramatical. True, similarities exists too, and costly repairs are just 
that. When this puppy blows it'll be the simplest choice to drive it off a 
bridge or something, also for the reason that anything that says 'Jaeger made in 
France' should be gutted out and thrown into the lake.

Allrightey.. all done with venting, thank you for all of those who managed to 
read all the way down here. Now hopefully you remember in the future that 
it's the Volvo PRV that has the reliability problems, not it's french 
counterparts.


-Matti Ronkko,
Finland


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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:00:52 -0800
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Oil Drain Plug

Tom, You can find the oil drain plugs in Stainless Steel or Brass on my web
site.
John Hervey

http://www.specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/hardware.html



-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Watkins [mailto:dmctom_at_dml_earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 4:51 AM
To: DMC News Group
Subject: [DML] Oil Drain Plug


List,

Which size Oil Drain plug does our car use?

  1/2 x 20,   M14 x 1.5,   M12 x 1.25,  M12 x 1.75,  M18 x 1.5

I installed the Fram Sure-Drain plug on 2 of my cars and it works great.
 No messy hands and no searching for the right wrench.

Thanks   Tom






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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:26:15 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Prototypes, legend and lore

Understood Claude, this does make total sense. But it would still mean that no 
exact system would be in place to prevent these cars from comming to market. 
Which if this was the same situation that DMC was in at the time, it makes 
everything click. Keep these cars around for employees to use, so they 
wouldn't need to dip into the production line, so they could start filling those 
dealer orders. And if DMC would have had any concerns about these cars 
beeing as reliable/safe as the production line models, that may be why a 
memo exists stating that these vehicles are to have no warranty coverage 
what so ever.

Just a thought...

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> What stops the car manuf.from selling off those cars is Lialibity 
> lawsuits,That is the reason Ferrari has a huge Ferrari junkyard of 
> perfect(and very expensive)Ferrari's piled one on top of the 
> other.They will NOT even sell a shifter nob off any of those pre-
> production cars.It is a combination of not wanting to put in the 
> hands of the general public a car that Might have  unengineered 
> problems,that could cause a major problem.and the FACT that those 
> cars are put into EXTREME testing,that could make those cars unsafe 
> for general public use,and if, one of those cars got into the general 
> public,and caused a major accident---well guess who would be involved 
> in a major ligitation/lawsuit.Mostly the courts would award a 
> judgement award and a major pumitive damage award,knowing,the the car 
> manufaucturing company released a "unsafe car".
> 
> Claude 00570 




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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:29:27 EST
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Registration

If you have not received Gary's e-mail we now have the registration form for 
mail in registrations up and running.

The DCS store is open and the raffle tickets for the raffle car are also 
available.

Whew 

Just in time for Xmas 

We at the DeLorean Car Show wish you all a Merry Christmas 

See you in Pigeon Forge


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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:36:14 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: PRV oil distribution problems

Some people claim Volvo "fixed" reported oil passage problems with
B28, but one of my factory manuals covering both blocks -- which goes
into great detail of differences in pistons, valves, and camshafts --
makes no mention of any difference in engine oiling system. I think
passages are the same. I also think many people who experience
lubrication problems simply failed to change their oil regularly.

Was recent discussion in another DeLo Group about oil changes. Some
owners felt 7 quart capacity enabled longer than normal interval
between changes. Others felt oil changes were only mileage dependent,
not age dependent (can leave oil in sparsely driven car for years). I
strongly disagree about both. Old oil, or heavily used oil, does not
flow well, can become "clumpy", and is reportedly acidic. Not only is
an oil change one of the cheapest and easiest procedures to perform,
but I think is key to engine longevity.

My change interval on all cars is 2,500 miles BTW. Have none logging
less than that at least every 9 months, so I don't worry about
seasonal oil changes.

Am indeed very happy with my French PRV, but don't think Swedish
rendition is as bad as that Brickboard quote made it seem. You'll
notice on those Volvo bulletin boards that owners either love B27/B28
and get hundreds of thousands of miles from them, or hate them and
lament the day they bought a 60 series (no one noncommittal in the
middle). I suspect difference is as simple as routine maintenance...

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, rbrogren_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Volvo ended up screwing the oil system and therefore the Volvo PRV
V6 which 
> can be found in the DeLorean (it has a Renault transmission however)
is not 
> exactly the most durable thing around. How about the French versions
then? They 
> are the B20's of V6 engines, the blocks are virtually indestructible
( quarter 
> million miles is no big deal for these, mine is approaching this
mark ) and 
> pack a quite nice punch. At 2.7L size, the Renault generates 144hp
with K-Jet 
> FI and Peugeot is right there with them. Not bad for something
designed in the 
> 70's.
> 
> Okay, so the HP ratings don't vary that much, but the diffrences in 
> reliability are dramatical. True, similarities exists too, and
costly repairs are just 
> that. When this puppy blows it'll be the simplest choice to drive it
off a 
> bridge or something, also for the reason that anything that says
'Jaeger made in 
> France' should be gutted out and thrown into the lake.
> 
> Allrightey.. all done with venting, thank you for all of those who
managed to 
> read all the way down here. Now hopefully you remember in the future
that 
> it's the Volvo PRV that has the reliability problems, not it's french 
> counterparts.
> 
> 
> -Matti Ronkko,
> Finland
> 
> 
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:50:40 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Toby Tabs Rear Suspension

For average owner, wouldn't it be simpler and easier just to change
Inconel bolts periodically?

For anyone who can't wait for Toby Peterson's next production run,
Walt Coe (US distribution) and Martin Gutkowski (European
distribution) had similar bolts -- yes, I know there are length and
thread differences -- made from Inconel too:

http://www.delorean.co.uk/DMUK/newparts1.html#tabs

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same material that bolts holding jet
engines to wings are made from.

Bill Robertson
#5939




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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:10:05 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>
Subject: DeLorean on Monster House

On Discover, the show Monster House's host just arrived in a DeLorean.
 
This episode is about building a futuristic house.
 
Scott Mueller
002981
RNDOLA


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