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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1815
Date: Thursday, January 01, 2004 5:06 AM

There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. IT'S FINALLY RUNS
From: John Podlewski <john_podlewski_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Playboy 50th Anniversary Issue
From: "Randal Atamaniuk" <martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com>

3. Re: Craig Radio Wire Harness Adapters
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

4. Confirmation of milage
From: "trekkerlb" <trekkerlb_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Re: DMC #1629 on the road, again.
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

6. Re: Re: Craig Radio Wire Harness Adapters
From: "Henry" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

7. Re: The Great DeLorean Key Disaster
From: Phil Priestley <phil_at_dml_alessandros120.com>

8. Re: Re: Clutch Fluid
From: "Bill Lane" <blane_at_dml_triad.rr.com>

9. Re: IT'S FINALLY RUNS
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

10. Re: Craig Radio Wire Harness Adapters
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. Re: Catalytic Converter Bypass Pipe
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

12. Re: keys
From: Holler <thehauntfactory_at_dml_att.net>

13. Re: Confirmation of milage
From: "wayofcain" <wayofcain_at_dml_yahoo.com>

14. RE: Confirmation of milage
From: "jdub" <doki_pen_at_dml_yahoo.com>

15. RE: Owners vs. The Insurance Companies
From: "Joe Thome" <joethome_at_dml_jps.net>

16. Fwd: Rack & Pinion determination
From: george caprita <dobedoc2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>

17. Re: Confirmation of milage
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

18. Re: Supercharger is going to happen!
From: "khyron_21502" <khyron_21502_at_dml_yahoo.com>

19. Re: Confirmation of milage
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

20. deloreans.org
From: "freakybeetle" <freakybeetle_at_dml_hotmail.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:18:22 -0800 (PST)
From: John Podlewski <john_podlewski_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: IT'S FINALLY RUNS


After nearly six months and two very poorly run, repair shops, my delorean finally RUNS.  Thanks to all the fellow delorean owners who helped out with their advice, understanding, time, and tools thanks again John!  Problems being old injectors, fuel hoses connected incorrectly at the fuel pump, (to think I paid out lots of $$$ for that and they had three months to figure it out), a new C.P.R thanks to Special T.  It Idled great after many hours of labor but stalled upon acceleration until today!  Found out it was the CAT blocked or clogged, whatever, anyone know where to get a bypass"test pipe" in the U.S, other than going to the muffler shop?  I'm not looking forward to spending $$$ on a new CAT if I don't have to. Don't know if they will do the work yet I will find out next year, THANKS AGAIN!




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:51:11 -0700
From: "Randal Atamaniuk" <martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Playboy 50th Anniversary Issue

In the January 2004 50th Anniversary Issue of Playboy, on page 220, there's 
a featurette
entitled "50 Products That Changed The World" by Bob Sloan and A.J. Baime.  
Number #50,
is the 1964 Pontiac GTO, and mentions John DeLorean on several points.

Then on page 226, the featurette is continued with 50 years of "Cool things 
that had no
impact whatsoever."

They are...

- the yellow line that marks the first down
- cryogenic freezing
- moon landing
- BlackBerry
- golf carts
- wet T-shirt contests
- the DeLorean
- Twinkies
- plasma TV's
- Hot Weels
- Department of Homeland Security

I must say, throughout the years (even during the DeLorean scandal), Playboy 
has kept a positive image of the car, maintaining its coolness, unlike some other popular magazines.
I mean, come on, our cars are listed among wet T-shirt contests and the moon 
landing. Could we ask for anything better than that!

Randy Atamaniuk
Vin #16353



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 05:52:40 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Craig Radio Wire Harness Adapters

The common speaker return line may be a problem. Most contemporary
units need separate lines back from each speaker. Can get terrible
feedback otherwise.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> For anyone who is looking to change out thier Craig radio with a new
> modern one, and not wanting to cut thier original Delorean wire harness
> I have the solution for you.
> I came up with a batch of adapters for this application.
> I only have about 20 of these on hand and I doubt I will be able to
> get any more.
> This harness adapter will let you plug into either end of your harness
> or Craig radio. It has both a male and a female end, and can be cut in
> half in the middle to be wired to your new radio.
> 
> The price is only $12.95 with instructions, wire code translations
> and FREE shipping included.
> 
> Either e-mail me at videobob_at_dml_h... or go to my web site,
> http://www.dfwdmc.com and go to STORE.
> 
> Thanks again!
> - Videobob
> VIN# 5278




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:10:02 -0000
From: "trekkerlb" <trekkerlb_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Confirmation of milage

Hi All!

I have an oportunity to get my first Delorean at a local dealer who 
claims they picked this up from someone who just had it parked for 15 
+ years.  They claim that the milage is only 4800 or so.  I was 
wondering if anyone knows how that could be verified - I'm new to 
DMC's and am trying to learn.

Thanks for the input!
Luis
(Hopefuly 5626)




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:46:22 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: DMC #1629 on the road, again.

Never paid any attention to that relay because mine's a 5 speed
(erroneously assumed Ramon's was too) but:

Isn't this yet ANOTHER example of driving a DeLorean from a well
placed jumper in the relay compartment? Several other systems can be
temporarily forced on in an emergency:
-Fuel pump
-Headlights
-Cooling fans (can jump otterstat too)
-Windshield wipers (jump under dash)
-Ignition/Hot Start relay (easiest to jump directly to the coil from
the jump start post)
-Can also swap failed Main Relay with Accessory Relay 

Of course ground connections at the far end of any circuit can pose
their own problems.

Every owner should familiarize him/herself with the electrical system
BEFORE something fails on the side of the road. Not only will that
make diagnosis faster and easier, but it may well facilitate a
workable solution to get the car home.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> Check the adjustment of the shift lever to the transmission. G:05:02
> You could also have a wiring problem. Make sure the wires going to the
> transmission from the plug on the firewall are securely fastened and
> are not melted by the exhaust pipe. It is rare but possible you have a
> problem with the start inhibit relay or it's wiring. M:07:02 #28 This
> relay allows you to only engage the starter in Park or Neutral. It
> could be a sticking switch in the transmission itself. It is a two
> part switch, one part lights the back-up light, the other is the start
> switch. The vin change in the shift handle should not cause this
> problem so there is no reason to change it.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> 





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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:03:49 -0500
From: "Henry" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Craig Radio Wire Harness Adapters

> The common speaker return line may be a problem. Most contemporary

This is absolutely true in my case. I installed an Alpine head unit, and had to re-wire the speaker lines directly, and bypass the harness.

BTW, my local electronic supply shop has the same nine-pin harnesses for a few bucks.  I'll check it out next time I'm there.  Sorry, Bob, I don't think it's necessary to charge $13 for a $4 cable, when the "wire code translations" are all available on either the Mid-State DMC site (http://www.midstatedmc.com/parts/radioplug.html) or my page when I installed my radio: http://www.eskin.net/radioharness.html.

-Hank  #1619




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:01:52 -0800
From: Phil Priestley <phil_at_dml_alessandros120.com>
Subject: Re: The Great DeLorean Key Disaster


On Dec 30, 2003, at 5:52 AM, cruznmd wrote:
> To my knowledge, DMCH will not only sell the blank, but have them cut
> for you if you request it.
>
>
>

My two cents worth on the key issue. I called Warren at DMCH and gave 
him my key code.  He trotted out to the warehouse, looked in the bin 
for my code, grabbed me a factory fresh set of early ignition keys with 
the metal key code tag still attached, dropped them in an envelope with 
a molded head door key blank and I had them two days later at a cost of 
about $35. The ignition keys are missing the back part with the the 
button for the light but work like a dream.

Phil Priestley
Alessandros 120
(503)370-9951




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:15:45 -0500
From: "Bill Lane" <blane_at_dml_triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Clutch Fluid

Group,

I have been using Dot 5 silicone brake fluid in my D for about 20 years.
The wheel cylinders, master cylinder and the clutch master cylinder have
been rebuilt once and the clutch slave cylinder has been replaced once.  I
have seen no signs that using Dot 5 is causing any problems.

Bill Lane
#3635




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:18:11 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: IT'S FINALLY RUNS

[Moderator Note: Just in case someone doesn't realize it, following Bob's advice will affect the value of your car, as well as make it unlicensable in some places.  - moderator Mike Substelny]

John,

Take a long chisel and hammer and chop out the junk inside of the cat.

Then put it back on the car.  No cost.  Looks stock!




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:49:35 -0000
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Craig Radio Wire Harness Adapters

Good find.  The Mid-State DMC Club used to sell these when they were 
in stock

http://www.midstatedmc.com/parts/radioplug.html

I was able to get a hold of one from them (thanks Marty!) and it 
works great.  Instructions are on their webpage.

Erik



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_h...> 
wrote:
> For anyone who is looking to change out thier Craig radio with a 
new
> modern one, and not wanting to cut thier original Delorean wire 
harness
> I have the solution for you.
> I came up with a batch of adapters for this application.
> I only have about 20 of these on hand and I doubt I will be able to
> get any more.
> This harness adapter will let you plug into either end of your 
harness
> or Craig radio. It has both a male and a female end, and can be 
cut in
> half in the middle to be wired to your new radio.
> 
> The price is only $12.95 with instructions, wire code translations
> and FREE shipping included.
> 
> Either e-mail me at videobob_at_dml_h... or go to my web site,
> http://www.dfwdmc.com and go to STORE.
> 
> Thanks again!
> - Videobob
> VIN# 5278




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:11:35 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Catalytic Converter Bypass Pipe

Your problem is going to be the square 4 bolt flange to the Y pipe.
Every domestic flange I've ever seen is 3 bolt triangular.

Since your converter is already melted, why not simply gut it and use
the empty case as a bypass? It isn't good for anything else anyway.

Otherwise, congrats on sorting out everything forward of the Y pipe! 

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, John Podlewski <john_podlewski_at_dml_y...>
wrote:
> 
> After nearly six months and two very poorly run, repair shops, my
delorean finally RUNS.  Thanks to all the fellow delorean owners who
helped out with their advice, understanding, time, and tools thanks
again John!  Problems being old injectors, fuel hoses connected
incorrectly at the fuel pump, (to think I paid out lots of $$$ for
that and they had three months to figure it out), a new C.P.R thanks
to Special T.  It Idled great after many hours of labor but stalled
upon acceleration until today!  Found out it was the CAT blocked or
clogged, whatever, anyone know where to get a bypass"test pipe" in the
U.S, other than going to the muffler shop?  I'm not looking forward to
spending $$$ on a new CAT if I don't have to. Don't know if they will
do the work yet I will find out next year, THANKS AGAIN!




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:20:39 -0500
From: Holler <thehauntfactory_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: keys

The local key shop I went to made for a strange encounter. . .
I had my original and a nifty blank from Ken K. that lights up.
I asked the wise old master key craftsman to make me a copy.
He looked it over slowly for about a minute, and asked what it went to.
I don't suppose this matters, since I had the original and was supplying
the blank for him to carve.
But I told him.
Then he asked where the car was.
I told him it was in storage (it's winter), and he said I would have to
drive it to his shop before he could cut the key for me.
I asked why, and he said he wanted to make sure the copy would work.
I asked him to cut it anyway, I'm sure it would be fine.
And he flat out refused!
So off to Wal-Mart I go. . .
(Some small businesses ruin themselves.)
Oliver Holler
Vin#10694
http://www.Time-Car.com



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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:38:06 -0000
From: "wayofcain" <wayofcain_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Confirmation of milage

Most reputable dealers will give you the previous owner's info so 
that you may speak to them.

Also a car with that few miles should show almost no wear anywhere. 
Look it over for wear spots.

Have a trusted mechanic check it out also. You should never purchase 
a used car without doing so. A good mechanic should be able to tell 
if it truly shows the kind of wear a car with 4800 miles should have.

Cain Grimes
2835


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "trekkerlb" <trekkerlb_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hi All!
> 
> I have an oportunity to get my first Delorean at a local dealer who 
> claims they picked this up from someone who just had it parked for 
15 
> + years.  They claim that the milage is only 4800 or so.  I was 
> wondering if anyone knows how that could be verified - I'm new to 
> DMC's and am trying to learn.
> 
> Thanks for the input!
> Luis
> (Hopefuly 5626)




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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:23:08 -0800
From: "jdub" <doki_pen_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Confirmation of milage

if you give me the VIN number i can run a carfax report for you


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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:35:49 -0800
From: "Joe Thome" <joethome_at_dml_jps.net>
Subject: RE: Owners vs. The Insurance Companies

I would imagine that if you can show evidence your car is worth more
than they want to give you, the threat of a suit will get them to be
more fair about it and if not then file a suit and see how fast they
come around. Of course going to court will cost money too.   

> Hi all,

> I've seen a few posts in the last 6 months regarding members who've
> had the bad fortune to have their DeLoreans totalled out in accidents.
>
> The most recent post by "bepositive" detailing how his insurance
> company is shafting him has prompted me to do a little research.
> For some of us, getting insurance at all is very difficult, but
> paying for insurance that won't pay you for your wrecked car is worse
> than having no insurance at all.
>
> First, after calling Safeco, State Farm and Allstate, I found they
> all say they will pay "fair market value". When pressed on where they
> obtain that data from, they all faltered and refused to provide me
> with a concrete answer. They have no idea what "fair market value"
> for a DeLorean is because the market is tiny.
> 
> My insurance company, (Safeco) did state that they would honor a
> written, signed, appraisal by an auto dealer, antique dealer, or from
> the DeLorean vendors/service centers. They will then adjust my
> premium accordingly vs. just pluggin in a VIN number and going with
> the default value in their computers. As you can imagine, the default
> value is tied to the VIN which shows the age of the vehicle so the
> payout probably wouldn't be the worth of the vehicle. All they see is
> a 20+ year old car.
>
> Many of us do our own maintenance and repairs. I want us all to get
> fair value for our collector's cars, our time, sweat and parts.
> Unfortunately, many of us aren't "professional collectors" and don't
> know all the in's and out's of insurance companies.
> 
> For those of us who aren't savvy, I urge you to contact your>:
> insurance companies and find out exactly what happens if your car is
> totalled. Get names and times. Press them. Be a jerk. Don't let them
> waver. If they sound uncertain, tell them you have their name and
> you're holding them to it. Talk to a supervisor, whatever it takes.
>
> Insurance co's are in the business of making money, not paying it out.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Rich Acuti
> #5335



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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:28:28 -0800 (PST)
From: george caprita <dobedoc2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: Rack & Pinion determination

Try P.J.GRADY,he has or had them in stock [has them special made], before you 
order them do this: mic o.d. of pinion shaft top & bottom,compare bearing cone i.d.to shaft o.d. this is what i found on a"rebuilt rack"i got:top shaft,.025 to.030 taper & wear, bottom shaft also worn,but not as bad,balls in both bearings all the same size.shaft was turning,bearings were not!! I called p.j.grady and he took the time to bale me out, even though i did't git the rack from him! he is a super,super nice guy to deal with,thanks P.J. hope this helps,George
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Confirmation of milage

Best thing to do is look for wear on the pedals,
carpet, seats, steering wheel, and shifter.  They are
usually dead giveaways as to if it is really a low
mileage car.

--- trekkerlb <trekkerlb_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All!
> 
> I have an oportunity to get my first Delorean at a
> local dealer who 
> claims they picked this up from someone who just had
> it parked for 15 
> + years.  They claim that the milage is only 4800 or
> so.  I was 
> wondering if anyone knows how that could be verified
> - I'm new to 
> DMC's and am trying to learn.
> 
> Thanks for the input!
> Luis
> (Hopefuly 5626)



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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:18:19 -0000
From: "khyron_21502" <khyron_21502_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Supercharger is going to happen!


I found this site where someone put one in a Fiero.


http://www.fierosound.com/supercharger/supercharger.htm

Scott
3180



...if anyone has any input or suggestions of ANY kind for me 
> before I get started, PLEASE let me know!
> 
> Thank you,
> Mark
> #10901




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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:29:51 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Confirmation of milage

There are several ways to try to decide if the mileage on the odometer
is close to accurate. If the speedometer is not working then of course
the mileage is suspect. The same goes if you see a lot of new speedo
parts like an angle drive, lower cable, or support bracket. This would
mean it was broken and recently fixed. At 4,800 miles the car should
stilll have the origional NCT tires on it. If it does you can measure
the remaining tread. It should be no less than 8/32 for that mileage.
You can look at the Lambda counter. It should not read more than 16.
Look at the interior and the pedals. If there is a lot of wear than
that should make you suspicious. Get the vin # and call the nearest
Delorean vender. He can tell you if any parts or service work was done
and if service work was done they usually record the mileage. See if
there are ANY repair bills or work tickets from anyone with the car.
They should have the mileage when work was done. Look at the title.
Try a title search for previous titles on the car and the recorded
mileage at the times of sale. In the end don't overpay for a "low
mileage" car. What matters more is condition and how it was taken care
of. If it was sitting for 15 years figure doing a complete fuel system
and a complete brake system and clutch. Also figure on recharging the
A/C, the cooling system, tires, recalls, updates, struts, battery, and
tune-up. To make the car roadable and RELIABLE, if you do it yourself,
can cost between $5,000 to $7,000. Cosmetic things like headliners,
repainting the facias, leather seats, carpets, cracked binnacle,
missing or broken trim will raise the cost even more. Before you buy
the car budget these additional costs plus any tools you may need and
a place to work on it.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "trekkerlb" <trekkerlb_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hi All!
> 
> I have an oportunity to get my first Delorean at a local dealer who 
> claims they picked this up from someone who just had it parked for 15 
> + years.  They claim that the milage is only 4800 or so.  I was 
> wondering if anyone knows how that could be verified - I'm new to 
> DMC's and am trying to learn.
> 
> Thanks for the input!
> Luis
> (Hopefuly 5626)




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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:55:20 -0000
From: "freakybeetle" <freakybeetle_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: deloreans.org

Just a shameless plug for my new website. ;)  Not quite done, but 
functional.  Enjoy!

www.deloreans.org

Jai 
2812





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