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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1824
Date: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:17 AM

There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: angle drive zerk grease fitting?
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

2. Re: Re: Rack & Pinion determination-Grady Reply
From: MichaelRPack1_at_dml_cs.com

3. Re: Re: Rack & Pinion determination-Grady Reply
From: "Dan RC30" <danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

4. Re: Hi + insurance for non US residents
From: "Ian Foster" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>

5. Re: Performance Chips
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

6. DMC Jewelry
From: "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. Tachometer is not working
From: "dmc12hank" <henrik_at_dml_familjen.se>

8. Preview 2004 DeLorean Calendar
From: "gullwingmagazine" <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>

9. Other Areas to Look at for Repairs
From: "EJ Chambers" <marmieej_at_dml_yahoo.com>

10. Re: The Motor Oil Issue
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>

11. RE: Performance Chips
From: "Nelson, Allan" <abnelson_at_dml_waterousco.com>

12. Re: DMC Jewelry
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

13. Re: angle drive zerk grease fitting?
From: Phil Priestley <phil_at_dml_alessandros120.com>

14. Re: DMC Jewelry
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

15. Re: Other Areas to Look at for Repairs
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

16. Re: DMC spotted near Disney World.
From: FSMinc_at_dml_juno.com

17. RE: Tachometer is not working
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 03:39:42 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: angle drive zerk grease fitting?

I don't think the angle drive housing is that tight -- grease would
probably squish out around the brass bushings. When I cleaned mine the
solvent poured out there.

But you may be right that a housing totally full of heavy weight
grease could be too difficult for the spindle cable (or plastic wheel
disc) to turn.

I packed mine with a lighter weight lithium grease. Did it through the
lubricant hole by hand (finger?). Took a while, but I really like the
way the gears felt when finished. My home made spindle cable has no
trouble turning them.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> The threads do match up to a zerk fitting but the angle drive is made
> out of soft metal so you can force it to fit. The bigger issue is that
> you can develop a lot of pressure with a grease gun and if you are not
> careful you will blow the side right off. IMHO it is better to use the
> screw and a small hand powered grease gun with a blunt tip. This way
> you can't put too much presure into the angle drive. Also a zerk
> fitting will hold the pressure inside, if you use the screw the
> pressure is released when you remove the hand greaser. For a job that
> is done infrequently just be careful not to lose the screw.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Card" <stephen_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> > Do the threads in the angle drive cross right over to a specific 
> > size zerk fitting (size?) or does it have to be re tapped? I have my 
> > front axle currently disassembled for brake work and would like to 
> > make this modification while it's off.
> > Thanks,
> > Stephen
> > Vin 3601
> > 
> > >I personally like Andrei Cular's idea of replacing the lubricant 
> > screw with a grease zerk fitting.




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:07:21 -0500
From: MichaelRPack1_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: Rack & Pinion determination-Grady Reply


I second that!

Rob restored my first DeLorean and the car was excellent! Rob & Pat restored every aspect of the car, steering rack, fuel, body, Zilla stuff and everything else that these wonderful machines need.

My first drive in a DeLorean was with Rob Grady and after visiting him at his shop I was impressed with his professional dedication & willingness to explain the features to a (at that time) newbie.

Sincerely,
Michael Pack
Maryland


kayoong_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

>
>Ditto on that statement.
>
>I am sure that the rest of the DeLorean vendors are just as good and caring,
>but my experiences have mainlly been with PJ Grady and I can express what I
>know.
>
>The last deciding factor for me in purchasing my DeLorean was Rob and his
>company "PJ Grady," some eight years ago.    If it wasn't for Rob, I would have
>not purchased my DeLorean.   At that time there were no DML.   If I am right,
>the DML just got started less then a year after I made my purchase.   So,
>searching for information was based on the DeLorean Owners Association (DOA) and
>the less then a half dozen of vendors that was available which was a time
>consuming and aggravating event.     A person such as Rob can make the difference
>when it comes own a DeLorean, for he does offer his knowledge when asked,
>whether you are making a purchase or not.   The other great thing for me is he is
>just 60 miles away from me, so what ever I need, he is just a short distance
>away which makes repairs and picking up parts easier.
>
>Rob sell parts that are OEM, NOS or reproduce parts that are equal if not
>"better."   They are safe and sound and they are "politically and business
>correct."   This means that the parts are acceptable in the DeLorean community for
>use as replacement or as an "upgrade."   All the parts that are sold are backed
>up by him, besides the product liability insurance that stands behind the
>parts.   No "hokie pokey" parts sold.
>
>So, when dealing with PJ Grady, one is are dealing with a man, his wife
>Debbie and his top technician Pat who will offer you nothing but the best parts and
>service money can buy and the money that is spent, is worth every penny.
>Besides, who do you know that would open up the shop at 12 midnight to take in
>my DeLorean, in tow when I had an emergency?   His trusted technician Pat!!!
>
>No brag, just the facts.
>
>
>Kayo Ong
>#5508
>Lic 9D NY
>
>==========================================================================
>
>In a message dated 1/4/04 9:46:15 PM, Soma576_at_dml_aol.com writes:
>
>
>> Rob, no matter what specialty parts you build or commission, you are
>> guaranteed that i will consider them for purchase.  there isn't a single
>> thing you
>> offer that is not THE BEST!
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:52:35 -0500
From: "Dan RC30" <danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Rack & Pinion determination-Grady Reply

Christian or Darkstar,
Who was supplying these "dirty, the tie-rods flopped around freely, etc."
racks to DMC Garden Grove?

---Dan



snip--->Just to note that due to this incident garden grove has changed to a
different rebuilder.

Darkstar


snip--->My steering rack (1) was replaced earlier this year at DMC Garden
Grove
and I had all sorts of problems with the replacement rack (2). There was
way too much slop in it. Every time I turned left and brought it back, the
steering wheel wouldn't come back to center (even though the car was going
straight). Dan (from DMC Garden Grove) sent another rebuilt rack (3) up
which a local shop put in. Again, same results. These racks were dirty,
the tie-rods flopped around freely, etc. Finally, I had Dan get one of Rob
Grady's racks (4) for me and send it up. When the part arrived it looked
completely different than the prior racks. It was sparkling clean, glass
beaded, brand new boots, tie-rods stiffer than... well, it was nice to
say the least. :)



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:59:43 +0800
From: "Ian Foster" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
Subject: Re: Hi + insurance for non US residents

Hi Andy,

There is a special Insurance Policy offered for us "Foreigneers!" I have
used it a number of times when buying motorcycles and riding across the
States ... though I've no idea if 9-11 has effected it (the latter is blamed
for our Auto Insurance increasing significantly in HongKong!?!)

Dairyland Insurance Company
Berglund Agency Inc
Ms. Shelly Moore shellym_at_dml_uswest.net
Tel. Arizona (602)949-1034

Cheers,                    IAN
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From: "andydmc12" <grewgrew_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:16 AM
Subject: [DML] Hi + insurance for non US residents


> Hi all on the list, I have been on the list for a while now, however
> this is my first post, I would just like to say hi and happy new year
> to all.  I am visiting the U.S. for 2 weeks and I will be arriving
> this thursday 08/01/04 in Idaho, I am collecting my Delorean and I am
> driving down to Dallas, I just wondered if any of you had any ideas
> who I could contact to insure me to drive the car whilst i'm in the
> U.S. The guy who I bought the delorean off has arrange a temporary
> license for me is there anything else I will need.  All help and
> advice is greatly appreciated.
>
> many thanks
>
> andy
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 02:19:31 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: Performance Chips

[moderator: This is not really DeLorean related so you don't have to post 
if you don't want to :) ]

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, grandprix9598 wrote:

> I know this isn't directly related to a DeLorean, but I keep seeing
> performance chips on sale for cars. Do they really work, or add any
> performance that is noticeable? Thanks

The answer is definitely YES.  The ECU (Engine Control Unit) upgrade chip
on a modern fuel injected car essentially takes the place of carburetor
and distributor modifications on older cars, so you can pick up a lot of
performance.

Of course, there is a downside: altering the ignition and fuel delivery 
parameters may increase emissions, decrease the life of the emissions 
equipment and/or engine, increase the quality of the required fuel, or 
decrease fuel mileage.  (Especially the last two).  This also explains why 
this slack is present in the stock mechanical components in the first 
place.

As an example, take the new RX-8.  The car, as sold, produces somewhat
less power than originally promised.  It turns out that Mazda could not
meet EPA-mandated lifetime requirements for the catalytic converter with
the engine in its originally designed state of tune.  Mazda had to reduce
the power output to satisfy this requirement - even though the car doesn't
actually exceed pollution limits when tuned as designed.  It's sort of
like how the DeLorean front end was raised at the last minute to satisfy
"safety" regulations.  ECU modifications can put it back the way it was 
supposed to be in the first place.

Not all performance chips are created equal.  There are basically two 
kinds - those which are "piggyback" chips and those which completely 
replace the stock ECU.  A piggyback chip works by modifying the outputs 
and/or inputs on the stock chip to adjust its behavior.  For instance you 
might modify the fuel injector outputs to increase (or decrease) fuel 
delivery, or you might modify the crankshaft position sensor input to 
trick it into advancing timing.  Although a piggyback chip can be 
powerful, they don't have the ultimate flexibility of a standalone ECU 
replacement.  Most performance chips fall into this category.  One nice 
advantage to the piggyback chips are the ease of removing the chip if you, 
for instance, want to sell the car to someone who might not appreciate it.  
Some of these modifications can be installed or removed in less than an 
hour.

A standalone ECU completely replaces the stock ECU which allows for total 
control over all fuel, turbo, and ignition settings.  As you can imagine 
this is very powerful and also difficult to install.  While these are used 
by the "famous" tuners and semi-pro drag racers, etc. on all their most 
powerful cars, they come with a lot of tradeoffs - not only expense, but 
sometimes these standalone systems break things like digital dashboards, 
airbags, ABS systems, GPS systems, etc.  Haltech and Electromotive are the 
most popular manufacturers of general purpose ECUs.  A system like this is 
a good way to go if you are planning on an engine swap, especially to a 
turbo motor, and happen to be good with electronics.

A third modification is to simply modify the stock ECU.  The memory which 
holds the ignition and fuel settings is simply modified with newer, 
higher-performance data.  The advantage here is that there is minimal 
expense and modification involved, but the flexibility is the least.

The biggest gain with performance chips is realized on turbo cars.  The
chip can increase the turbo boost and fuel delivery which directly
translates into more power.  It's not uncommon to pick up 10-20% power
with even a fairly basic performance chip.  Another advantage to such
modifications is that, if you've increased performance in other ways (such
as with a bigger turbo, camshafts, exhaust, intake, whatever) the ECU
modification, if it's sufficiently powerful, can increase the performance
gain from the other modifications, and reduce the risk of damaging your
engine in the process.

Even on a naturally aspirated car you can gain some benefit from a 
performance chip.  The primary advantage here is adjusting timing and fuel 
mixture.  If you have an engine/transmission that can take it, you can 
also eliminate the rev limiter with some types of performance chips.  This 
can improve performance especially if you have opened up the intake or 
exhaust.

> Overseas in Operation Iraqi Freedom

Keep up the good work and come home safe :)




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 04:02:39 -0000
From: "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: DMC Jewelry

I would really like to have a "DMC" ring.

Does anyone know who makes any?

I noticed in the Summer 88 issue of Delorean World on page 33 there
was a guy named  "Eugene Tufaro" who was making and selling 14k gold
rings with the "DMC" embossed on top.
Does any one know who he is and if he still makes these?

Actually, I would rather have a "silver" colored ring, but I hate
sterling silver beacause it is hard to keep a shine.
It scratches and dents real easy.
I wear several Harley Davidson rings, one is made of steel and it
looks great... so it got be to thinking of having a ring made for me
out of stainless steel (that's only right after all!).
I was told that you can't cast a stainless ring, that it must be cut or
rolled off on a lathe in the exact size.

So unless someone knows where I can get something simular this is my plan.

My plan is to either buy or have made the actual ring, then we will
file down the top and drill a few anchor holes in it.
Then my plan is to use one of those cool little "original" "DMC" tie
tacks, and modify it to mount on top.
Not only does this make things easier, but since I am not MAKING a
logo but simply taking an original peice of DMC made jewelry then I
would not be re-creating anything and therefore not violating any
trademarks since James Espey would surely have something to say about.

I have a number of these little tie tacks, (don't ask to buy one, I am
keeping them for these rings).

If anyone is interested in one of these rings, I would have to have
your exact size as they can NOT be re-sized.
I am guessing the price would be between $100 - $200 each depending
on size and style.
There are several stainless rings out there that I am looking at.
Some of them are "comfort fit" and are beveled and designed.
Others are simple, like a cut of pipe.
So depending on what type of actual ring that you would want would
determine the price.
I will be making MINE first and will let everyone take a look at it
before they make orders.

Thanks.
- Videobob
VIN# 5278
http://www.dfwdmc.com




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:26:48 -0000
From: "dmc12hank" <henrik_at_dml_familjen.se>
Subject: Tachometer is not working

Hi everybody!
My tachometer is not working, Itīs stuck on 4000 rpm all the time. 
Does anybody know what can be wrong? 
Is this a common problem?
Henrik in sweden.





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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:44:35 -0000
From: "gullwingmagazine" <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Preview 2004 DeLorean Calendar

For a preview of the 2004 DeLorean Calendar you can now go to 
DeLoreanPerformance.com and follow the Gullwing Magazine link.

Ron




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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:06:15 -0000
From: "EJ Chambers" <marmieej_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Other Areas to Look at for Repairs

Hello All:

The process of restoring Vin 4475 has now come to me working on my
brake system. I have currently pulled all 4 calipers and rebuilt them.
I am also in the process of replacing all my rubber brake lines since
the back two lines had collapsed. Also, during this process I noticed
that my passenger front wheel bearing seems to have gone out. 

Hence, I am going to pull the rotors off to have them cleaned up a bit
and replace both my front wheel bearings. While I am doing this
suspension and brake work, are there other areas that I should look at
and evaluate to see if they require repairs and/or replacements? This
would apply to both the front and the back areas.

Thanks in advance!
Ej Chambers
Vin 4475




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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:18:59 -0500
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>
Subject: Re: The Motor Oil Issue

On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 10:07:01PM -0000, Harold McElraft wrote:
> I have been reading with some interest the motor oil postings 
> because it seems that this is another flurry of these. 

Happens that way on every vehicle list I've ever been on (cars, bikes,
whatever). Oil (and filters) and tires, followed by winterization
methods; one list I was on went so far as to ban oil threads entirely.
Another potentially useful resource for oil info is:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

--noah
#2867



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:28:34 -0600
From: "Nelson, Allan" <abnelson_at_dml_waterousco.com>
Subject: RE: Performance Chips

As others have posted, aftermarket chips in stock or near stock engines will
do little to nothing for increasing horsepower.  Exhaust and intake
modifications will not exceed most factory-installed PROMs' ability to
compensate for these changes.  Forced induction, cams, and other significant
modifications will likely require a change in programming but in those
cases, custom-burned PROMs should be made rather than off-the-shelf chips.

Most off-the-shelf chips only change timing and fuel curves at WOT (open
loop) anyway.  What some chips are useful for are turning on cooling fans at
a lower temperature, torque converter clutch engagement points, etc.  These
are more drivability concerns than performance enhancements.  I have a
Hypertech Thermomaster chip in my Corvette that, in conjunction with a
cooler thermostat and fan temp switch, allows my cooling fan to turn on at
175F rather than the factory setting of about 200F, prevents torque
converter lockup until car is in OD, and accounts for cooler engine temps by
keeping the car in closed loop operation at lower temps than stock.  It does
have different fuel and timing maps at WOT but it's nothing you would
notice, let alone take your breath away.  The biggest advantage is keeping
underhood temps down.

Al

> I know this isn't directly related to a DeLorean, but I keep seeing
> performance chips on sale for cars. Do they really work, or add any
> performance that is noticeable? Thanks





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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:57:18 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: DMC Jewelry

Gene Tufaro did have some Delorean jewlery made up years ago. I bought
my wife a Gold Delorean on a chain a few years ago. He said it was his
last gold one and he only had a couple of silver ones left. By now I
don't know if any are left. He was listed in the DoD or I can get in
touch with him for you. He lives in Staten Island in NY. He has not
been active in the club for a long time. I don't remember but I didn't
see any rings.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> I would really like to have a "DMC" ring.
> 
> Does anyone know who makes any?
> 
anks.
> - Videobob
> VIN# 5278
> http://www.dfwdmc.com




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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:24:37 -0800
From: Phil Priestley <phil_at_dml_alessandros120.com>
Subject: Re: angle drive zerk grease fitting?

On Jan 5, 2004, at 7:39 PM, content22207 wrote:
>
> I packed mine with a lighter weight lithium grease. Did it through the
> lubricant hole by hand (finger?). Took a while, but I really like the
> way the gears felt when finished. My home made spindle cable has no
> trouble turning them.
>
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
The company that makes 3 in 1 oil makes a lithium grease that comes in 
a nozzled spray can like WD-40.  Just stick the snorkel in the hole and 
give it a couple spritz.
Phil Priestley
Alessandros 120
(503)370-9951




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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:11:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: DMC Jewelry

Another option is to use white gold. It's an alloy of platinum and gold. The lower the number (10k, 14k, 18k, 24k, etc.) the lower the gold content, and thus the tougher the ring is going to be. If you find a good jeweler, they can fabricate you anything, but it will cost you. They can likely make you a custom die, that way there could be more copies made. As you seem well aware of, there's also the copyright issue. You can always CALL James and see what he has to say.  He's actually a truly friendly guy, and has gone out of his way to help me on many occasions. Maybe you can have these made, and sell them to DMC-Houston. You never know until you call. Good luck and keep us informed about this project :-).

Louie Golden
VIN 5252
NC plates "88 MPH"

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:13:24 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Other Areas to Look at for Repairs

If your brakes and bearings were in that bad of shape, I would
look at everything - the steering rack, ball joints, rack ends,
bushings, lower control arms, CV joints, alignment, brake master
cylinder, the works.  From the sound of it, this car has been
neglected. 

--
Mike

> Hello All:
> 
> The process of restoring Vin 4475 has now come to me working on my
> brake system. I have currently pulled all 4 calipers and rebuilt them.
> I am also in the process of replacing all my rubber brake lines since
> the back two lines had collapsed. 



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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:59:36 GMT
From: FSMinc_at_dml_juno.com
Subject: Re: DMC spotted near Disney World.


There are about 6 of us Delorean owners that get together now and then for lunch in the Orlando area.   You'll spot mine more likely in the downtown area (where I live) so that neck of the woods down by Disney wasn't me but perhaps it was Daniel.  He does robotics for Disney and lives down in that area.   Daniel were you raiding the tourist gift shops the other day?



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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:20:57 -0600
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Tachometer is not working

Henrik, What happens when you turn the key on then turn it off. If it still
hangs then the mechanical properties of the movement are bad.
John Hervey
www.specialtauto.com




-----Original Message-----
From: dmc12hank [mailto:henrik_at_dml_familjen.se]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 6:27 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Tachometer is not working


Hi everybody!
My tachometer is not working, Itīs stuck on 4000 rpm all the time.
Does anybody know what can be wrong?
Is this a common problem?
Henrik in sweden.




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