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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1828
Date: Saturday, January 10, 2004 3:49 AM

There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Heads up on oil pressure sender cross parts reference
From: "supermattthehero" <supermatty_at_dml_psu.edu>

2. RE: Angle Drive Question
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

3. RE: General Maint.
From: "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_comcast.net>

4. Re: New Problem
From: "vin2450" <svw_coco_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. Re: Re: 20th Anniversary DeLorean World
From: Jeff Angwin <jeff_at_dml_coware.com>

6. RE: Re: 20th Anniversary DeLorean World
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>

7. Re: Free Advice--It isn't Free to Anybody!
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: Trademark Issues (WAS: DMC Jewelry)
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

9. RE: Trademark Issues (WAS: DMC Jewelry)
From: "Gary Hull" <Specialty_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>

10. Re: Re: DMC Jewelry
From: "Ryan Hood" <Ryan_at_dml_Hood.de>

11. RE: Trademark Issues (WAS: DMC Jewelry)
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_i-c.net>

12. Re: Trademark Issues (WAS: DMC Jewelry)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. Constructive discussion and trademarks
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>

14. Re: Heads up on oil pressure sender cross parts reference
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

15. Re: Heads up on oil pressure sender cross parts reference
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

16. Re: Heads up on oil pressure sender cross parts reference
From: "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

17. Re: Heads up on oil pressure sender cross parts reference
From: "vin2450" <svw_coco_at_dml_hotmail.com>

18. Re: Heads up on oil pressure sender cross parts reference
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

19. Re: Additional Angle Drive Questions
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

20. Re: DeLo Vendor Parts vs xRef Parts
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 05:10:40 -0000
From: "supermattthehero" <supermatty_at_dml_psu.edu>
Subject: Heads up on oil pressure sender cross parts reference

I had a fun experience this week trying to find an oil pressure 
sender replacement locally.  On the cross-parts reference, a Volvo 
part is listed.  So I called a Volvo dealership and asked them to 
send me the part, well, they said it was replaced with a newer part 
and could overnight it to me for free, so I purchased it for about 
$30.  It wasn't even close.  Wrong size threads, and had a spring 
loaded piston on it.  So, I would like to warn everyone else that the 
part number in the cross reference list is wrong and won't thread 
into your block.  

I called up about 4 Volvo dealerships here in Central PA asking for 
help, and when I mentioned it was for a PRV-6, the answer was 
either "that engine was used in boats," or "i have no idea."  I would 
have thought Volvo dealership mechanics would have known a thing or 
two about the engine???  This was kind of scary, considering I may 
need to call one of these places in the future, should my D ever need 
some serious engine work.  I'll deal with that when it comes I 
guess.  

Anyway, I looked back in the backissues and found where Marty Maier 
specified the Autozone part, Wells PS-136.  I was able to cross 
reference this part at NAPA and the price was around $27 with tax.  
It looks almost exactly like the original, with the exception that 
there is a spade connector at the top instead of a bolt and nut. 

Matt
#1604

P.S.  Does anyone have any good tips for restoring the black plastic 
valences?  Mine are a little scratched up.  




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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 00:14:52 -0600
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Angle Drive Question

Smith Motors was the original. I had one up to about 6 months ago.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: content22207 [mailto:brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:34 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Angle Drive Question


My angle drive gears are metal. Pot metal housing has a quaint
sounding British firm cast into it ("Something" & Sons, England? Can't
remember exactly and it's too cold right now to go outside and look).
Spindle cable is definitely wound AGAINST predominant left wheel
rotation. Is this unit original to my car?

My housing is labeled "Smith Motor Accessories Ltd, England" Part
#862401/11.

Is this an original unit or a replacement? Because the spindle cable
is wound AGAINST left wheel rotation, I suspect it was intended for a
right hand drive vehicle (which would rotate WITH the windings). My
lubrication screw is also upside down on the left wheel, but would be
right side up on the other side (are all lubrication screws oriented
this way?).

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
>
> Worn out angle drive (plastic gears on the O.E.M one)




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:25:47 -0800
From: "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: RE: General Maint.

here in california i found a good shop the is currently repairing my car.
(some one pulled out of a driveway in front of me)  what area/state are you
looking in?

Darkstar

-----Original Message-----
From: Nun Yah [mailto:joshp1986_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: January 8, 2004 1:21 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] General Maint.


 Doe's anyone know where to get a DeLoean serviced for collision
repair in a state that does not have any DeLoean speciality shops?
I'm trying my hardest to buy Matt Goodwin's '83 D (VIN 16130) but I
do not want to have to take it all the way to Houston if something
happens to the cosmitic's or chasis etc.
             Thanks for any info.
                             Josh



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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:50:04 -0000
From: "vin2450" <svw_coco_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Problem

Hello,

I had a similar problem after changing the tranny fluid.  With the 
car running, in park and warmed up check your fluid level.  Most 
likely it is just low on fluid.

Stephane
vin2450
--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> 
wrote:
> IMMEDIATLY CHECK THE LINE PRESSURE!!!! If the line pressure is low 
it
> can cause this and worse you will slip the clutch packs and wear the
> frictions out quickly. If the pressure is low as I suspect then 
clean
> the filter. There is a procedure on dmcnews.com.  If cleaning the
> filter doesn't help then you either have a blown seal internaly or a
> worn pump. I would also recheck the gear selector adjustment to make
> sure it really is in reverse, not halfway there. Also CHECK THE 
FLUID
> LEVEL. Too high or too low a level can cause weird problems from the
> fluid foaming. This is not normal behaviour for a Delorean. Driving 
it
> like this can cause serious internal wear and damage. When you check
> the level look at the color of the fluid. If it is not nice and red
> flush it out. Dark, burnt smelling fluid indicates extreme wear 
and/or
> an overheated transmission. Use Dexron/Mercon Type III.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> 
> on this one:
> >   
> > (AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION)Go out to drive the car.  Start car - 
VROOM.
>  Go drive for a bit as the car warms up as normal.  Once the car is
> warm, I will stop and park go eat, whatever.  Come back to car, 
start
> car up (Obviously it has warmed up by now).  I shift from park to
> reverse...the car will sit for 2 seconds or so THEN it will shift.  
It
> doesn't shift immediately; it shifts after about 2 seconds from 
taking
> the shift lever from park to reverse.  Obviously this isn't normal. 
> Does anyone have any ideas?  It doesn't seem to do this when the car
> is cold; it only really seems to do this when the car has warmed 
up.  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > ---------------------------------
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes
> > 
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:48:52 -0800
From: Jeff Angwin <jeff_at_dml_coware.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 20th Anniversary DeLorean World

I tried:  There are no other files, just the DVD movie.

Jeff Angwin
VIN 3034

--------

Mike Substelny wrote:

>Scott Mueller wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I received my 20th Anniversary Edition DeLorean World today.
>>
>>It is a very nice issue and includes a DVD with nice DeLorean drive by
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>action shots.
>>    
>>
>
>My 20th Anniversary copy of DW arrived yesterday.  This issue is very
>spiffy.  The cover makes it look more like a book than a magazine, and
>it's full of nice, classy touches that set it apart.
>
>In a market currently crowded with DeLorean magazines, the DVD is a
>highlight.  I believe the video is an advertisement for DeLorean One,
>though subtly so.  It is one commercial that I really enjoyed watching.
>It has no speaking, just music playing to action shots of a DeLorean
>driving (fast) and stills of the most attractive parts of a DeLorean.
>It left me yearning for the snow to melt so I can get my DeLorean out
>and drive like that.  Perhaps no quite so fast.
>
>The video is similar to the famous one that JZD used to attract
>investors, but made to 21st century standards.  It makes DeLorean
>ownership seem very appealing.  If you are trying to convince a friend
>to buy a DeLorean, show them this little video.
>
>I plan to bring my copy of the DVD to the DeLorean Club of Ohio Annual
>meeting on January 17th at Maumee Bay State Park Lodge.
>
>I only played the DVD in a regular DVD player; I haven't tried it in a
>computer yet.  Has anyone checked to see if it has any files other than
>the video?
>
>- Mike Substelny
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:33:26 -0800
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: RE: Re: 20th Anniversary DeLorean World

I received my DW mag a few days ago and was very impressed with the quality,
as it has embossed covers and high gloss pages and great photo quality.
The CD enclosed was a surprise and fine for what it was........but don't
blink your eyes or you will miss the content.  Two and a half minutes.   It
was interesting to stop it though and look at the high detail of just about
ANY component of the D.    After the last few issues I had dropped my
subscription...I was not intersted in a travel magazine for that much money.
I think the competition has done its job.     We will see.
Murray
Vin: 05962
Lic:  DMC-XII





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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 00:42:54 EST
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Free Advice--It isn't Free to Anybody!

As Sir Henry Royce of Rolls Royce Car Limited once said:   "What ever is done 
right and humbly, it is done nobly."   This statement can be applied to Rob 
and his company PJ Grady.

Kayo Ong
#5508
Lic 9D NY

=========================================================================


In a message dated 1/8/04 7:57:37 PM, tech_at_dml_pjgrady.com writes:


> As usual David T. hit the nail on the head. Although I don't ALWAYS
> agree with his tech. advice (Not to worry 95% of the time isn't too
> shabby!)he consistently displays a depth of common sense and wisdom
> in a world where common sense is an uncommon commodity.Whew, thats a
> tongue twister! Maybe if people follow his advice venders will get
> more work done AND have more time to respond to tech. questions on
> the DML where it will benefit everyone.
> 
> BTW when I asked in my last post(#37992)"Isn't anyone brave on this
> list?" I completely forgot about Mark Levy. He privately reminded me
> that he is indeed brave and I completely concur. Remember all his
> posts on door lift pistons? Of course you do. He is one BRAVE
> dude! :) A little CONSTRUCTIVE criticism never hurt anyone (I think).
> 
> I also want to take this opportunity to thank everyone who responded
> to that post on the list. These comments mean the world to me. You
> can't buy advertising like that. (OK Christian your check is in the
> mail.:) Knut,if you would post our correspondence about my reference
> to you in the message it would clear up any confusion that may exist
> on that matter. Thanks ahead of time.
> 
> My good friend Mike Deluca sometimes refers to Debby and I
> as "Delorean Royalty". That usually embarrases me to no end but if
> you peaple keep this up I may just start believing him! I'll know
> this has  happened when I start walking around with my nose tilted
> upward and speaking in "Locust Valley Lockjaw"!
> 
> Anyway,thanks to all once again.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Rob Grady
> P.J.Grady Inc.
> 
> 



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:29:02 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Trademark Issues (WAS: DMC Jewelry)

I've done some copyright research too. According to the DMC bankruptcy 
trustee, whom I spoke to personally, ANY valid copyrights formerly owned by DMC are 
now the legal property of John Z. DeLorean, as part of the settlement.  That 
includes the DMC logo and even the manuals. Buying the repair parts does not 
convey ownership of the copyrights. If anyone would like to dispute that, email 
me a copy of your Certificate of Transfer and I'll publically acknowledge my 
mistake on the DML. 

Wayne A. Ernst,
Bridgeton, NJ
11174 


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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:55:06 -0800
From: "Gary Hull" <Specialty_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark Issues (WAS: DMC Jewelry)

As Marc Levy said/implied, the threat/fear of legal action is often more
effective than actual litigation, and even the retainer for a lawyer could
be higher than the licensing fee.  The following doesn't refute or confirm
what Marc said.  It's just more info.

In general, the owner of a legally strong (distinctive and unique) trademark
or service mark can keep others from using it (or using something so similar
that its use would create the likelihood of customer confusion).

If you sold a picture of a DeLorean, how likely would it be that the buyer
would think you were DMCH?

If you sold a "DeLorean Ring" with a DMC logo, could the buyer be
confused?????
	
You get into darker and darker grey areas if you sell a "DMC Ring" an auto
part with the DMC Logo, or use a DMC Logo on marketing or packaging.

On one hand, the pre-existence of the (similar) DMC Logo dilutes any claim
DMCH might have about potential confusion.

On the other hand, if DMCH doesn't actively and uniformly attempt to defend
the logo, they can lose all rights to it. If they hadn't registered it,
someone else could have, and even though DMCH couldn't have been forced to
stop using it, the new registrant could easily have diluted the logo.

Definitions:
A trademark is any word, phrase, design, slogan or symbol (including
nonfunctional unique packaging) that serves to identify a specific product
brand. Examples: Xerox photocopiers, Kodak film and cameras, Exxon gasoline
and automotive products, Nike sport shoes, Apple Computer's rainbow apple
with a bite missing; the red Coca Cola logo.
 
A service mark is any word, phrase, design or symbol that identifies a
specific brand of service. Examples: McDonald's fast food service, Kinko's
photocopying service, ACLU legal service, Blockbusters video rental service,
the UPS logo (postage delivery service) the U.S. Postal Service's eagle in
profile (postage delivery service); CBS's stylized eye in a circle
(television network service), the Olympic Games' multicolored interlocking
circles (international sporting event).


Gary Hull

IN2TIME

 




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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:29:52 +0100
From: "Ryan Hood" <Ryan_at_dml_Hood.de>
Subject: Re: Re: DMC Jewelry

I got this  from my brother when I got my Delorean last year.
Right now this is the only one he made. Is anybody is interested let me
know.
But I won't suggest it as a wedding ring ;-)

http://bttf.de/ring7sm.jpg
http://bttf.de/ring3sm.jpg
http://bttf.de/ring1sm.jpg


Ryan & 16216


> My wedding ring is 304 Stainless. Looks great, and never causes any
> irritations (almost like my car)
>
> My wife works for an SS manufacturer and her friends can make rings
> all day long for nothing out of scrap. I had been pondering producing
> rings for sale on ebay. PM me if you or anyone has any ideas or
> desires for DMC jewelry.
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_h...>
> wrote:
> > I would really like to have a "DMC" ring.
> >
> > Does anyone know who makes any?
> >
> > I noticed in the Summer 88 issue of Delorean World on page 33 there
> > was a guy named  "Eugene Tufaro" who was making and selling 14k gold
> > rings with the "DMC" embossed on top.
> > Does any one know who he is and if he still makes these?
> >
> > Actually, I would rather have a "silver" colored ring, but I hate
> > sterling silver beacause it is hard to keep a shine.
> > It scratches and dents real easy.
> > I wear several Harley Davidson rings, one is made of steel and it
> > looks great... so it got be to thinking of having a ring made for me
> > out of stainless steel (that's only right after all!).
> > I was told that you can't cast a stainless ring, that it must be
> cut or
> > rolled off on a lathe in the exact size.
> >
> > So unless someone knows where I can get something simular this is
> my plan.
> >
> > My plan is to either buy or have made the actual ring, then we will
> > file down the top and drill a few anchor holes in it.
> > Then my plan is to use one of those cool little "original" "DMC" tie
> > tacks, and modify it to mount on top.
> > Not only does this make things easier, but since I am not MAKING a
> > logo but simply taking an original peice of DMC made jewelry then I
> > would not be re-creating anything and therefore not violating any
> > trademarks since James Espey would surely have something to say
> about.
> >
> > I have a number of these little tie tacks, (don't ask to buy one, I
> am
> > keeping them for these rings).
> >
> > If anyone is interested in one of these rings, I would have to have
> > your exact size as they can NOT be re-sized.
> > I am guessing the price would be between $100 - $200 each depending
> > on size and style.
> > There are several stainless rings out there that I am looking at.
> > Some of them are "comfort fit" and are beveled and designed.
> > Others are simple, like a cut of pipe.
> > So depending on what type of actual ring that you would want would
> > determine the price.
> > I will be making MINE first and will let everyone take a look at it
> > before they make orders.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > - Videobob
> > VIN# 5278
> > http://www.dfwdmc.com
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 07:47:39 -0500
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_i-c.net>
Subject: RE: Trademark Issues (WAS: DMC Jewelry)

Marc, that was a great posting and you did not look like a Moron.  I
would like to ad that many vendors have prior use to the filing of DMCH.
Which means that they were using the logo prior to DMCH obtaining the
trademark.  After that last group of postings about this subject I asked
my attorney.  He stated that the users of the logo prior to the filing
have nothing to worry about except the fact that they may or may not
have to go to court.  The not so wonderful thing about these United
States is that anyone can sue anyone.....

Jack.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Levy [mailto:malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:44 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Trademark Issues (WAS: DMC Jewelry)

I have no specific beef with DMC, my goal here is to
share what I have learned about the DMC trademark from
minimal research on the Internet with list members. 
Anyone, including DMCH, is welcome to supply me (or
the list) with information which contradicts what I
have found.

It has been asked what my personal involvement with
this issue is, so I state here that I have no personal
interest in using the logos, nor do I represent anyone
else who does.  At no point have I yet had the need to
use either of these logos for any reason.  My purpose
again is to have the truth made public (even if my
research results are incorrect).  My risk of looking
like a moron (something I do well, and often) is my
own if I am incorrect.

Back to the issue at hand.  James may be a friendly
guy (to you), but he has yet to address the
information I have provided to the list a number of
times..  that is, the ORIGINAL "DMC" logo trademark is
listed as "Dead" in the official database
(http://www.uspto.gov/).  The modified logo that is
owned by DMCH is NOT the logo that anyone else would
want to use.  I am not a lawyer, but silence on this
matter could be considered failure to enforce their
rights (which I am told cannot be selectively
enforced)

By claiming that a number of big-name companies have
made agreements with DMCH to use the logo just means
that either those companies did not know what they
were buying, or felt the fee DMCH demanded was less
costly than possible legal action.  I wonder if this
is why the toys I saw at Universal Florida last week
did not have the DMC logo?  What a shame, that all of
the kids (and adults) buying those toys are not
exposed to the logo.  Lets face it, a good number
(maybe even majority) or DeLorean owners were fist
exposed to the car by BTTF.

Every once in a while, I get a good idea.. And when I
discuss it with anyone I know, they always say "Hey,
get a patent!".  I always laugh, getting a patent on
anything is a matter of filling out some papers and
paying a fee.  It means nothing until it has been
challenged, and successfully held up in court.  THAT
can cost LOTS of money, and aggravation.  Same goes
for Copyright and Trademarks.

It is likely that there is no product anyone can make
using the DMC logo that would be worth the expense and
effort to defend in court.  Be it a part, jewelry, or
a tee shirt.  Maybe some Lawyer type on the list will
do it themselves just for the principal of it.

FWIW, I think copyrights and trademarks are VERY
important.  Many companies spend LOTS of money to
build a reputation behind their logos.  Frankly, this
is not the case with DMCH.  They just happen to have
the name "DeLorean Motor Company", they just happen to
be the owner of the majority of leftover physical
assets from the REAL DMC, and they just happen to have
a copyright registered on a similar logo..  None of
this makes them the company that built our cars in the
80's....  And no one from DMCH has supplied any
information contrary to this.

... And Rob asked "Isn't anybody brave on this list?".
 Yes Rob, there are a few but Not enough.  Or maybe
the brave are censored?

Marc

--- Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com> wrote:
<SNIP>

> copies made. As you seem well aware of, there's also
> the copyright issue. You can always CALL James and
> see what he has to say.  He's actually a truly
> friendly guy, and has gone out of his way to help me
> on many occasions. Maybe you can have these made,
> and sell them to DMC-Houston. You never know until
> you call. Good luck and keep us informed about this
> project :-).

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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 07:16:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Trademark Issues (WAS: DMC Jewelry)

It was pointed out to me on the DMCForum by John D
that I have made a mistake.

On the front of our cars is a Logo, This is the logo I
have been talking about because I find no registration
by DMCH for it. (See it here
http://tess2.uspto.gov/webaka/images/73162366.gif )

However, The Logo which DMCH has registered WAS used
by DMC back in the 80's (As John D pointed out) on a
number of public advertisements and such, however I
cannot find any registration for this logo that shows
it as a official trademark of DMC.  (See the logo
here:
http://tess2.uspto.gov/webaka/images/75756108.gif )

What does this mean?

According to the lawyer I spoke with, it means that
DMCH would probably loose a challenge on EITHER logo
because it's use predates the DMCH registration. 
Someone who owns a DeLorean related business that
pre-dates the DMCH registration (in 2001) would have a
excellent chance of beating this in court.

If anyone plans on doing this, I strongly suggest you
contact your own lawyer.  Find someone who is familiar
with patent/trademark law.

Marc

--- Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
<SNIP> 
> Back to the issue at hand.  James may be a friendly
> guy (to you), but he has yet to address the
> information I have provided to the list a number of
> times..  that is, the ORIGINAL "DMC" logo trademark
> is
> listed as "Dead" in the official database
> (http://www.uspto.gov/).  The modified logo that is
> owned by DMCH is NOT the logo that anyone else would
> want to use.  I am not a lawyer, but silence on this
> matter could be considered failure to enforce their
> rights (which I am told cannot be selectively
> enforced)
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:52:09 -0000
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>
Subject: Constructive discussion and trademarks

The issue of the trademarks and DMCs position with regard to them 
obviously carries a lot of interest with the list. With no one other 
than DMC speaking on behalf of DMC, the ongoing speculation on the 
list about the DMC position will likely continue to be just that. I 
would suggest that anyone seeking legal advice do so from their own 
lawyer and not base action on the speculation on this list. I also 
suggest that those that really want to have DMC address their 
requests make such requests to DMC.

I expect further posts on this thread to focus on new facts and 
discoveries rather than more speculation.

  Knut





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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 16:11:32 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Heads up on oil pressure sender cross parts reference

So - how much time and driving did you spend to save the $15-20 over 
a DMC vendor? The cross ref thing is fine when you are stuck on the 
side of the road, and there are a some parts where you can really 
save some money, but in my book $15, even on a $30 part isn't one of 
them (unless you have way more time than money).

Dave S

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "supermattthehero" <supermatty_at_dml_p...> 
wrote:
> I had a fun experience this week trying to find an oil pressure 
> sender replacement locally.  -----  I was able to cross 
> reference this part at NAPA and the price was around $27 with tax.  
> It looks almost exactly like the original, with the exception that 
> there is a spade connector at the top instead of a bolt and nut. 
>




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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:22:49 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Heads up on oil pressure sender cross parts reference

*IF* the hole in my block is original, the thread pattern is 1/8" BSPT
(British), not 1/8" NPT (American). They look deceptively similar, but
BSPT is 28 TPI while NPT is 27. Adapters are available between the two
systems, and between different pipe sizes:

http://www.mcmaster.com/asp/DisplCtlgPage.asp?ReqTyp=CATALOG&CtlgPgNbr=21

The other thing you need to watch for is calibration. Most dometic oil
pressure senders are calibrated to drive 100 PSI gauges, not 80 PSI.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "supermattthehero" <supermatty_at_dml_p...>
wrote:
> I had a fun experience this week trying to find an oil pressure 
> sender replacement locally.  On the cross-parts reference, a Volvo 
> part is listed.  So I called a Volvo dealership and asked them to 
> send me the part, well, they said it was replaced with a newer part 
> and could overnight it to me for free, so I purchased it for about 
> $30.  It wasn't even close.  Wrong size threads, and had a spring 
> loaded piston on it.  So, I would like to warn everyone else that the 
> part number in the cross reference list is wrong and won't thread 
> into your block.  
> 
> I called up about 4 Volvo dealerships here in Central PA asking for 
> help, and when I mentioned it was for a PRV-6, the answer was 
> either "that engine was used in boats," or "i have no idea."  I would 
> have thought Volvo dealership mechanics would have known a thing or 
> two about the engine???  This was kind of scary, considering I may 
> need to call one of these places in the future, should my D ever need 
> some serious engine work.  I'll deal with that when it comes I 
> guess.  
> 
> Anyway, I looked back in the backissues and found where Marty Maier 
> specified the Autozone part, Wells PS-136.  I was able to cross 
> reference this part at NAPA and the price was around $27 with tax.  
> It looks almost exactly like the original, with the exception that 
> there is a spade connector at the top instead of a bolt and nut. 
> 
> Matt
> #1604
> 
> P.S.  Does anyone have any good tips for restoring the black plastic 
> valences?  Mine are a little scratched up.




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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:40:05 -0800
From: "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Heads up on oil pressure sender cross parts reference

The DeLorean used gauges made by General Motors AC Delco division. I have no idea who made the gauges Volvo used for the B28F series cars but there is a real
possibility the calibration is different in the Volvo sender because of the
difference in those gauges. I'm guessing that DeLorean used a sender that
Volvo or Renault used and that's why Delorean oil pressure gauges always
jump to the top of the scale. The sender Marty Maier recommends in the Mid
States Club web sight is the proper match to the AC oil pressure gauge.

Bruce Benson




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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 16:59:55 -0000
From: "vin2450" <svw_coco_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Heads up on oil pressure sender cross parts reference

Hello,
When asking the Volvo dealers for parts, Don'T mention that its for a 
Delorean or PRV-6.  Tell them your looking for parts for a Volvo 260 
series with either a B28F or B27F engine (1978-1983 this should help 
once they hear its a Delorean walls go up for some reason).  
Unfortunatly for me with the exchange rate and duty and waiting time 
it is sometimes easier to buy them at a Volvo dealer(Canada).  But if 
I lived in the States I would only buy from the Delorean vendors, 
just because you know you will get the right part and help you need.

Just me 2cents,

Stephane
vin2450

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "supermattthehero" <supermatty_at_dml_p...> 
wrote:
> I had a fun experience this week trying to find an oil pressure 
> sender replacement locally.  On the cross-parts reference, a Volvo 
> part is listed.  So I called a Volvo dealership and asked them to 
> send me the part, well, they said it was replaced with a newer part 
> and could overnight it to me for free, so I purchased it for about 
> $30.  It wasn't even close.  Wrong size threads, and had a spring 
> loaded piston on it.  So, I would like to warn everyone else that 
the 
> part number in the cross reference list is wrong and won't thread 
> into your block.  
> 
> I called up about 4 Volvo dealerships here in Central PA asking for 
> help, and when I mentioned it was for a PRV-6, the answer was 
> either "that engine was used in boats," or "i have no idea."  I 
would 
> have thought Volvo dealership mechanics would have known a thing or 
> two about the engine???  This was kind of scary, considering I may 
> need to call one of these places in the future, should my D ever 
need 
> some serious engine work.  I'll deal with that when it comes I 
> guess.  
> 
> Anyway, I looked back in the backissues and found where Marty Maier 
> specified the Autozone part, Wells PS-136.  I was able to cross 
> reference this part at NAPA and the price was around $27 with tax.  
> It looks almost exactly like the original, with the exception that 
> there is a spade connector at the top instead of a bolt and nut. 
> 
> Matt
> #1604
> 
> P.S.  Does anyone have any good tips for restoring the black 
plastic 
> valences?  Mine are a little scratched up.




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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:54:30 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Heads up on oil pressure sender cross parts reference

There are TWO oil pressure sender units. One is a spring loaded piston
device that lights the oil light. It lives on the left side of the
motor and is the one you got. The other lives by the oil filter and
runs the oil pressure gauge. It is a large round shaped thing. Volvo
wouldn't know about it, only the one on the left side which is prone
to leak. This should teach you that it is always better to deal with
the Delorean venders whenever you can. If you had to order it you
might just as well order it from one of them. They would have sent you
what you REALLY needed. The one you got in Autozone will make the oil
pressure gauge actually work correctly. If you try to use an oil
filter other than Perflux you might have to use a small angle fitting
to get a little more room. Next time when you talk to a Volvo dealer
tell them the engine is a PRV-6 B28 F. That they will recognize.
Black Again works well on the black plastic. Scratches can be removed
with polishing compound.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "supermattthehero" <supermatty_at_dml_p...>
wrote:
> I had a fun experience this week trying to find an oil pressure 
> sender replacement locally.  On the cross-parts reference, a Volvo 
> part is listed.  So I called a Volvo dealership and asked them to 
> send me the part, well, they said it was replaced with a newer part 





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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:13:26 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Additional Angle Drive Questions

I found the manufacturer's name in an archived post after the original
message was sent. Moderator was nice enough to cut & paste it in. I'm
just glad I didn't have to lay in the driveway in the rain to find it!

I could swear my gears are metal, not plastic. After the weather
breaks I'll verify that (have been mistaken about my little silver car
before...)

Was your spindle cable wound with normal left wheel rotation or
against it? Mine is wound the wrong way, which caused it to unwind
rather catastrophically at 80 mph. When the repair was spliced in, I
ran solder all the way down into the housing to prevent future
unwinding. The remaining original cable is now just a stub (with a
square receiver on the end) so it doesn't need to flex to install
around the lower control arm & spring. A solid shaft (square ended),
permanently attached to the wheel disc, is inserted straight from the
outside. Works excellently so far...

Also, was your lubrication hole right side up or upside down? Mine
points towards the pavement.

Bill Robertson
#5939
 
>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> Smith Motors was the original. I had one up to about 6 months ago.
> John
> 
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:15:27 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: DeLo Vendor Parts vs xRef Parts

I agree with you fully UNLESS an xRef part is better than one from a
DeLo vendor. Those are of course very few and far between. FelPro
valve cover gaskets do come to mind (rubber vs paper). I also prefer
single piece heater core shutoff valves over the OEM style (no
external linkage between the diaphragm and butterfly plate). But the
vast majority of DeLorean parts are best (and easiest) delivered to
your front door from a vendor.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> So - how much time and driving did you spend to save the $15-20 over 
> a DMC vendor? The cross ref thing is fine when you are stuck on the 
> side of the road, and there are a some parts where you can really 
> save some money, but in my book $15, even on a $30 part isn't one of 
> them (unless you have way more time than money).
> 
> Dave S
> 





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