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To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1833
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 6:56 AM

There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Swaying
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

2. Re: DeLorean in FHM
From: Jan van de Wouw <delorean_at_dml_home.nl>

3. Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

4. Re: Permacast wheels?
From: "sonnyvr2000" <sonnyvr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. RE: Collector's Car loan
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

6. Brakes - Why You Should Change Them
From: "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. RE: Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_bwig.net>

8. Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

9. Re: DeLorean in FHM
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

10. Re: Brakes - Why You Should Do Preventative Maintenance
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:11:37 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Swaying

It sounds like you may need a 4 wheel alignment. It is not that easy
to just replace rusted metal. Especially around suspension and
steering components, positioning is CRITICAL. Some of the alignment
parameters are not adjustable so if the frame is repaired incorrectly
you cannot adjust for it. When you say the car is trying to "climb out
of the lane" sounds like "Bump Steer" and is directly related to
alignment or the lack thereof. The back should be solid with no
perception of sway. This can be alignment, tires, tire pressure, worn
bushings, etc. You should get the car to a good shop that is capable
of doing a 4 wheel alignment on a modern electronic machine. The
operator must be experienced with it. If the alignment specs are not
in the database they can be manually input. You should have the
alignment procedure and specs with you when you go. If the tires are
questionable or old you should consider replacing them. At the very
least they should be removed from the car and spin balanced so you
know they aren't bent or out of balance. You should check the tire
pressures yourself, shops are notorious for never getting the air
pressures right. Find out where the towns send their vehicles to be
done. Usually the shops that the towns send the police cars and
ambulances to is among the best around. 
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Up until recently, my DeLorean had really bad steering due to front-
> end corrosion and half-hearted amatuer repairs. In accordance with my 
> budget, I've had metal replaced by an experienced metal 
> fabricator/welder. The last thing I had done was to have the steering 
> rack anchored to keep it from sliding in the bushings. It ain't 
> stock, and it ain't pretty but it's correct, safe and solid.
> 



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:13:42 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <delorean_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: DeLorean in FHM

On 11-01-2004 02:23, dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com wrote:

> If you want to do some advance research by picking up the latest copy
> of FHM, there is a short Delorean/BTTF related article in it on page 60
> and as an added bonus, you get the 2004 FHM feature women calendar
> to hang on your tool box or in your corner of the garage or basement.

Which issue of FHM is this supposed to be?
There was a reference to this earlier, even before X-mas, so I went
through the trouble of getting myself a copy of this Magazine.
Very difficult being in The Netherlands, where there's a Dutch version
of FHM with totally different content and where I also found a UK-edition.

I finally found a US Edition, December 2003 issue, shrinkwrapped with an
extra booklet "FHM Latin Explosion" featuring Vida Guerra. She had also been
mentioned earlier, so I bought the mag for over $15.- (US-price being $4.99)
This was really a gamble as due to the Shrink Wrap I couldn't verify the
content.

There was NO mention of a DeLorean anywhere, alle I found on the mentioned
pages (58 and/or 60) was an advertisement for "Treasure Island"...

Did I get the wrong Issue? Which exact Issue should I get? What's on the
front cover??? Mine features Kristanna Loken (Terminatrix), so I don't
mind having this "wrong" issue, but I wouldn't want to fork out another
$15.- for yet another (imported) Mag I'm otherwise not interested in :-(

Thanks,

JAN van de Wouw

Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:18:28 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach

Unless you want to spend a lot of money try to stay stock on the
speedometer. The "new" angle drives are a big improvment over the
origional NOS ones so it will last a lot longer. Make sure you have
the support bracket for the lower cable. The auto trans does not have
a place for the speedometer either. I suppose you could create one but
now you will have to have cables made and get the gearing to accuratly
spin the speedometer. I don't think this is the way to go. A better
alternative would be to replace the entire dashboard and go digital
like several owners have already done. There were a lot of posts a
short time back about it.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> My experience with automobiles has shown me that the speedometer 
> normally taps into the transmission via a cable with a plastic gear.
> 
> The transmission is always throwing around lubricant inside, 
> lubricating the gear. Speedometer failure is fairly rare in other 
> cars.
> 
> On the casing of the DeLorean manual transmission I noticed 
> a "blanking plug" that looked like a point where your typical 
> speedometer cable would go. For those of you familiar with the other 
> applications of the DeLorean transmission, is that what this is for? 
> 





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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:21:03 -0000
From: "sonnyvr2000" <sonnyvr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Permacast wheels?

Production wheels were made by GKN Kent Alloys Division. GKN stands 
for Guest Keen and Nettlefolds, and DMC also purchased suspension 
joints, CV joints and the frames from GKN.

It may be that the wheels used on the prototypes were made by someone 
else. They have a slightly similar look (see page 60 in Stainless 
Steel Illusion).

Sonny V.



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "spaceace3113" <spaceace3113_at_dml_y...> 
wrote:
> I took my car out for some exercise today here in NYC, drove to a 
> local diner and as soon as i parked a gentleman approached the car 
> and asked if those were the original wheels on the car (which they 
> are) he told me they were made by a company called Permacast and he 
> was a distributor for them. Are any of the more senior members of 
> the list able to confirm this? Just thought I'd try to contribute 
to 
> the list.....And yes the Delorean attracted about 12 admirers while 
> I was outside.
> 
> 
> Harry Dounis
> VIN# 2696




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:47:27 -0600
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Collector's Car loan

appraisal=yes
high interest=no
Get a friendly CU.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scooby [mailto:chinatown_film_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:47 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Collector's Car loan


Having recently joined a credit union, I decided to contact them regarding a
loan for a DeLorean having read here that a lot of people have had luck
going through credit unions.  This is their reply:



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:06:07 -0000
From: "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Brakes - Why You Should Change Them

If you have an original set of brake calipers that have not been
replaced yet then you should make plans to do it.

My brakes had been working badly, everytime I hit hard the brakes
pulled to the right, and at slow speeds I heard a wierd rattle sound.
I figured that at the least I needed new pads.

Since I am lucky enough to live about an hour away from John Hervey
(Special-T-Auto) I popped by there and picked up a set of pads
to go all around the car.

I planned to have my buddy who runs an auto shop change them out.
He quickly noticed that my pads were in great shape, like new even.
They were the original pads!
The rotors looked like crap though.
We also discovered that the pistons would not move and the
front drivers side were completely frozen!
Also, the wheels seemed almost stuck.
You couldn't free spin them, they would only move as much as your
hand would move them with much resistance and then stop!

Pad's alone were not going to work.
I called John and he had the fix.
A new set of rebuilt / loaded calipers.
We put the wheels back on the car and I drove it out to Forney.
About 3 hours later I had in hand two new sets of calipers.
We removed the rotors and even though people say NOT to machine
the rotors I had no choice.
I didn't have any others to replace them with so again I had
not choice. We did about 3 turns on them before they were straight 
again - smooth as a baby's ass.

We installed the rotors and calipers in minutes and bled them.
The wheels now spin freely and the pads fit like a glove.

My brakes are now like new and my rolling resistance has been greatly
reduced. I never realized how much of my gas milage and road vibration
was coming from those bad calipers!

Moral of the story?
If you have not changed out your original calipers - DO IT.
Don't bother putting on new pads or trying to simply rebuild them
with a kit.
John Hervery takes each set of core calipers and removes all of the
surface rust inside and out, bead blasts them and paints the outside.
They are BETTER that new.
My car is an much of a shining example of a perfect concourse
unrestored Delorean as you will find.
Garage kept in the southwest, no road salt, no raid driving, never
see snow (except for the cocaine in the trunk) and is in perfect
shape. Why are the brakes in such bad shapes that they rusted shut?
That I can't tell you.

It doesn't matter if you buy your brakes from John, PJ or Don
you need to do it.
At the very least take your wheels off and see if the caliper pistons
are moving in and out.
If they are you are lucky.
Chances are they are up against the rotor and when you stomp
on the brakes hard enough they move in just enough to stop you.
Check to see if your wheel spins freely and if the rotor is warped.
(if it is, it will be looser or tighter in places).

Just a note for you all.
I want my 81 auto to be absolutely perfect.
it is my daily driver and I have racked over 4000 miles on it
since I got it last month!

- Videobob
VIN# 5278
http://www.dfwdmc.com






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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:30:15 -0600
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_bwig.net>
Subject: RE: Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach

The message read: " As a side note, many new cars have an electronic speed
sensor
that uses rotation in the transmission final drive as the measured
parameter, and then sends an electronic signal up to the
speedometer.  There is no mechanical link beteen the transmission and
the speedo.  Something like that has been discussed on this List in
the past.  I don't recall anything beyond the talking stage, however."

As a backup, I've pondered adding a bicycle speedometer.  The question is
not so much where to mount the magnet but how to mount the sensor.

Just a thought.  Any input?

Nick




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:43:40 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach

If you are trying to save the $60-120 for an angle drive you won't 
come out ahead. If the angle drive is maintained properly (BIG if)
they actually hold up quite well. 

BMW has been using electrical speedos driven from an impulse sensor 
in the differential since at least the mid-1980s. Problem with any of 
this is the complexity and calibration of the mod. You need to change 
the gauge in the dash, find a pickup point etc. And have it come out 
not looking hacked up. 

If you are doing this for the "something cool/different" factor, 
here's another idea. The electronic speedo gauge in a late 80-s 3-
series BMW is about the same size as the DMCs, and the pickup is 
mounted in the bottom of the differential. No clue how much of this 
is interfaced via the vehicle's computer, but in an 80s car it should 
not be too bad. Nice thing is that they are 6-digit odometers too. 

The most common place to mount an electrical impluse sensor on the 
DMC (often for cruise control) is to put a magnet on the inner CV 
joint and attach a bracket for the sender to the transmission. 

Dave S


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_b...> wrote:
> The message read: " As a side note, many new cars have an 
electronic speed
> sensor
> that uses rotation in the transmission final drive as the measured
> parameter, and then sends an electronic signal up to the
> speedometer.  There is no mechanical link beteen the transmission 
and
> the speedo.  Something like that has been discussed on this List in
> the past.  I don't recall anything beyond the talking stage, 
however."
> 
> As a backup, I've pondered adding a bicycle speedometer.  The 
question is
> not so much where to mount the magnet but how to mount the sensor.
> 
> Just a thought.  Any input?
> 
> Nick




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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:43:48 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: DeLorean in FHM

Jan,

The current issue is January 2004 (probably for at least one more week),
but I would not spend the extra money for the very short mention of BTTF
game option and one photo.  Neve Cambell is on the cover and the 2004
calendar is nice, but I would not spend $15 for this "imported" US version.

The Speed Issue with my Delorean projects article is slated for April 2004
and the reported said it should be at least one page, including the photos.
This article came together within the last week, so if someone mentioned
something earlier, it must have been an article unrelated to my article.

I will let the list know when it is released and what to look for on the cover.
Anticipated release is mid-March 2004, hopefully before St. Pat's Day.

Later,
Rich W.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Jan van de Wouw <delorean_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> On 11-01-2004 02:23, dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com wrote:
> 
> > If you want to do some advance research by picking up the latest copy
> > of FHM, there is a short Delorean/BTTF related article in it on page 60
> > and as an added bonus, you get the 2004 FHM feature women calendar
> > to hang on your tool box or in your corner of the garage or basement.
> 
> Which issue of FHM is this supposed to be?
> There was a reference to this earlier, even before X-mas, so I went
> through the trouble of getting myself a copy of this Magazine.
> Very difficult being in The Netherlands, where there's a Dutch version
> of FHM with totally different content and where I also found a UK-edition.
>



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:13:21 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: Brakes - Why You Should Do Preventative Maintenance

While some cars may need extensive attention to calipers, rotors, etc.,
if your previous owner did regular preventative maintenance of the brake
system (and if the car was used regularly), replacing all the brake fluid
every two years (possibly sooner in very moist climates) will keep the
brake system free from water, which leads to rust and frozen calipers,
frozen brake master cylinder and general "muck" in the brake system.

Keep in mind if you do replace brake fluid that has not been replaced
for a long time, you may end up having to change most if not all the
system pieces within a few months since the older parts become the
weak link in the system and tend to leak with new fluid installed.
An example is changing a clutch slave and not the clutch master, even
though the parts are the same age and the master may seem ok now.
Almost every time, the master starts to leak the new fluid within a few
hundred to a few thousand miles, almost like clock-work.

Brakes should be given due attention with at least annual inspections,
along with the much discussed trailing arm bolts.  All safety systems
should be given top priority and should not be compromised no matter
if you are using your Delorean as a daily driver or weekend show car.

Later,
Rich W.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> If you have an original set of brake calipers that have not been
> replaced yet then you should make plans to do it.
> 
> My brakes had been working badly, everytime I hit hard the brakes
> pulled to the right, and at slow speeds I heard a wierd rattle sound.
> I figured that at the least I needed new pads.
> 
> snip <




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