From: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1836
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:34 PM

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach
From: "M. P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>

2. Re: Red DeLorean in Bethlehem - Gold plated one?
From: vahottub_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

4. RE: Seat re-covering
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. Re: Seat re-covering
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

6. BRAKES - UPDATE
From: "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. RE: Re: Home Equity Credit Lines
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jack_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>

8. Delorean at Toyota Dealership in Dallas
From: "birdwell77095" <birdwells_at_dml_usa.net>

9. Re: Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach
From: "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

10. RE: Shipping a car / Road salt?
From: "Michael Fischer" <Michael.Fischer_at_dml_dittybase.com>

11. RE: Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_bwig.net>

12. Re: Seat re-covering
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

13. Re: Using Home Equity To Buy A DeLorean
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

14. More parts!
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net>

15. RE: Delorean at Toyota Dealership in Dallas
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

16. Re: Cannot remove the front panel
From: ttanaka504_at_dml_aol.com

17. RE: Red DeLorean in Bethlehem - Gold plated one?
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jack_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>

18. Re: Emissions Testing
From: "M. P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>

19. De-Ice kit
From: "Heather" <hnwwoodzell_at_dml_yahoo.com>

20. Re: De-Ice kit
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

21. A pillar trim removal{trim next to windscreen}
From: "westleymills2003" <westleymills2003_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>

22. Continued: Cannot remove the front panel
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

23. Re: A pillar trim removal{trim next to windscreen}
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

24. Re: Seat re-covering
From: "Jeff Chabotte" <webmaster_at_dml_88-mph.com>

25. Re: Red DeLorean in Bethlehem - Gold plated one?
From: "thebrave65" <johnnysher1_at_dml_cox.net>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:21:03 -0000
From: "M. P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach

Bruce,
     I did not have the problem you are describing when I installed my
Digital Dash.  I set everything up to work off the angle drive,
including my electronic cruise control.  The odometer works like a
champ.  Granted, this was not an existing setup from a production
vehicle, it was aftermarket.  However, these options are out there for
everyone.

Matthew
VIN 16816

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> . I don't think any cars currently produced use cable driven
speedometers
> any more. The problem with adapting electronic speedos to the
DeLorean is
> that the digital odometer does it's calculations from a different,
tamper
> proof, source than the speedometer itself. You can remove the proper
fuse in
> a newer car and the speedometer will quit working but the odometer keeps
> ticking. I'd guess it's interfaced with the cars computer and works via
> engine RPM's.
> 
> Bruce Benson
> 
> > If you are doing this for the "something cool/different" factor,
> > here's another idea. The electronic speedo gauge in a late 80-s 3-
> > series BMW is about the same size as the DMCs, and the pickup is
> > mounted in the bottom of the differential. No clue how much of this
> > is interfaced via the vehicle's computer, but in an 80s car it should
> > not be too bad. Nice thing is that they are 6-digit odometers too.
> > Dave S




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:47:55 EST
From: vahottub_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Red DeLorean in Bethlehem - Gold plated one?

The gold ones are accounted for.  One in Texas and one in Maryland.


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:02:19 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach

It is a worm gear. You can look through the lubricant hole and see it.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> 
> Now one for you: Is the angle drive a worm drive or screw-gear
drive? It 
> would make much more sense to have a 1:1 drive on the cable, but why on 
> earth use screw gears (as the shape of the housing would suggest) 
> instead of bevel gears which would be much more reliable!
> 
> Martin




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:53:01 -0600
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Seat re-covering

If you have to ask- then it is better to just take the car to a auto 
upholstery shop.
You can save money by taking the seats out for them.
It is super easy.
There are four bolts under each seat, under the car.
Take the nuts off and they should just come out.
You may need to remove the seat belt bolts to get them out in some cases.

They won't charge you much to do it.
Unless you have arms like a bear and the right tools you may end up damaging 
your
new covers or hurting yourself.
- VB




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:28:52 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Seat re-covering

In a message dated 1/13/04 9:22:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
webmaster_at_dml_88-mph.com writes:


> Is there any instructional pages regarding performing a seat re-cover? It 
> seems pretty tricky as to how the foam gets into the headrest portion of the 
> seats.
> 
> maybe someone would be kind enough to document this process when they get 
> these new covers?
> 
> 
(Yep... got it half written.. It's a heck of a lot easier to let a 
professional do it, but I figured somebody out there was as stubborn as me, and would 
want to take a crack at it.
Wayne
11174


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:56:58 -0000
From: "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: BRAKES - UPDATE

Well, I explained to everyone how I replaced the calipers, machined
the rotors...etc.
Well I have to say that there is an amazing difference.
The car doesn't vibrate, the rolling resistance has been greatly 
reduced. Usually I get 200 miles or less to the tank.
After the brake job I am now getting about 250!
Amazing!
I know it sounds just goofy, but it is true!
It's a whole new car!
You might want to check to see if your wheels spin feeely.
If not, it may be your brakes are stuck like mine were.
Thanks again John Hervey!
- Videobob
VIN# 5278




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:18:26 -0500
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jack_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Home Equity Credit Lines

That's assuming you don't mind getting your house in debt.  Not having a
mortgage, I would never -NEVER- use my house to buy a car.  It is one of the
few things that once you own outright, it is yours and not the banks.

If I had to borrow money for a car it would not be a 20+ year old one with
interest to boot.  I would go to my local big 3 and get the 0% they all run
periodically

Jack Stiefel
Take A Musical Trip Through Time with the FM Time Machine
Visit my homepage at: http://www.sacketmansion.com
Here You Leave Today And Enter The World Of  Yesterday, Tomorrow and Fantasy
- Walt Disney World Entry Plaque


-----Original Message-----
From: content22207 [mailto:brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:37 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Home Equity Credit Lines

Actually, of 7 replies, mine was the only one to mention home equity
lines.

And 



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:54:06 -0000
From: "birdwell77095" <birdwells_at_dml_usa.net>
Subject: Delorean at Toyota Dealership in Dallas

A few weeks ago someone posted a comment about a never titled 
Delorean at a Toyota delaership in Dallas. Can someone go by to get 
the the last five digits of the VIN?

Shannon




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:28:35 -0800
From: "Bruce Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach

My response was in reply to a suggestion regarding adapting a speedometer
from another car, a BMW in this case, to the DeLorean. Late model cars that
have electronically driven speedometers have digital odometers that are
tamper proof.and therefore  record independant of the speedometer.Your
digital dash is after market and so this apparently doesn't apply to your
odometer.

Bruce Benson

> Bruce,
>      I did not have the problem you are describing >when I installed my
> Digital Dash.

> Matthew
> VIN 16816
>
>>The problem with adapting electronic speedos to >>the DeLorean is  that
the digital odometer does it's >>calculations from a different, tamper
proof, source >>than the speedometer itself.

> > Bruce Benson





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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:14:43 -0700
From: "Michael Fischer" <Michael.Fischer_at_dml_dittybase.com>
Subject: RE: Shipping a car / Road salt?

Hi Trevor,
	As a fellow Canadian, and D owner, I've shipped my D between
provinces a few times.  But the big issue is where your shipping it from
and where to.  I've used Hansen's Forwarding .. They have "depots" in
most of the major cities .. I say depot's because they also offer Rail
Shipping.  (That's how I transported 17106 from Calgary to Victoria)
where they put the car on a train .. No salt there, and semi-enclosed.
They also have enclosed tractor-trailer units and provide cross-border
service.

Check them out at : 
http://www.hansenglobal.com/index.html 
Or for Canada only
http://www.lhf.com/

Good luck, and welcome to the Family.

Mike
17106

-----Original Message-----
From: trevor mcdonald [mailto:trevor4bbg208_at_dml_yahoo.com] 
Subject: [DML] Shipping a car / Road salt?

Hello,
 
I am buying my first Delorean finally after looking for a few years. I
neet to get it shipped but I cannot find a company that offers enclosed
transport (I am in Canada). I have a company that I have 
<snip>




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:22:16 -0600
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_bwig.net>
Subject: RE: Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach

Does the worm gear turn in the correct direction since the tranny was used
most often in the other orientation?  Would another gear be required to
correct the direction if it spun in the wrong direction?

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: content22207 [mailto:brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:02 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean speedometers: A new approach


It is a worm gear. You can look through the lubricant hole and see it.

Bill Robertson
#5939




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:40:40 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Seat re-covering

In a message dated 1/14/04 10:24:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:


> If you have to ask- then it is better to just take the car to a auto 
> upholstery shop.
> You can save money by taking the seats out for them.
> It is super easy.
> There are four bolts under each seat, under the car.
> Take the nuts off and they should just come out.
> You may need to remove the seat belt bolts to get them out in some cases.
> 
> They won't charge you much to do it.
> Unless you have arms like a bear and the right tools you may end up damaging 
> 
> your
> new covers or hurting yourself.
> 

Seat belt bolts are somewhat in the way, but you can work around them. 
-Wayne
11174


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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:34:01 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Using Home Equity To Buy A DeLorean

Every car I own is at least 20 years old. They ARE my daily
transportation.

And remember: this thread started with "Scooby's" desire to purchase a
DeLorean, not a 2004 year model from the Big 3. 

The portion of home equity represented by appreciation is the easiest
asset a person will ever accumulate. But if all he or she does is wait
for the gain on a future sale, it is a very lazy asset. It is not
working one bit in the interim.

Faced with the choice between a high interest, non tax deductible,
short term loan secured by my DeLorean itself or a low interest, tax
deductible, indefinite term loan secured by a very small portion of my
home equity, of course I chose the latter. It would have been silly
not to. And financially counter productive. My net interest rate is
3%. I can pay for the car as quickly, or as slowly (30 year term), as
I want. And considering nothing more than my home's appreciation --
the DeLo is secured by a mere fraction of even that.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jack Stiefel" <jack_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> That's assuming you don't mind getting your house in debt.  Not having a
> mortgage, I would never -NEVER- use my house to buy a car.  It is
one of the
> few things that once you own outright, it is yours and not the banks.
> 
> If I had to borrow money for a car it would not be a 20+ year old
one with
> interest to boot.  I would go to my local big 3 



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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:28:11 -0500
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net>
Subject: More parts!

Hi everybody,

Justed wanted to post to the list that I have another parts DeLorean in 
"the shop", (aka-my driveway) at the moment.  I'm helping Dave Bauerle 
by parting this car out for him.  If anyone needs anything specific let 
me know.

A few details:

This was a 3000 mile DeLorean in near concours condition that suffered 
an engine fire, of which the cause is unclear.  Everything from the rear 
fascia to the back of the passenger compartment is badly burnt...so 
there's not much salvageable from back there, except two perfectly good 
quarter panels.  This car also was made a donor to repair my beloved VIN 
5102 after a front end collision...so everything on the exterior, from 
the front fascia to the passenger compartment is gone.  What's left you ask?

Well, the car has very nice doors, interior, transmission, T-panel, 
windshield, lower engine components, driveshafts, fuel components and 
shifter aseembly, as well as some almost perfect wheels and NCT tires.  
In addition I have some front end pieces still available that weren't 
needed.  Best bet, is that if you need something specific, ask, and I'll 
let you know if I have it or not.  Same deal as last time...if the part 
is in excellent condition, I'm asking half of what the parts vendors 
want, if it's of lesser quality, I'm asking less.

Thanks for your time, and I hope I can be of assistance to the community,
Josh
VIN 5102
VIN 15964
and keeping an eye on:
VIN 5609 (still a few items left)
VIN 3951 (one of Ken's restoration projects)
VIN 11289 (fire car)







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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:17:54 -0600
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Delorean at Toyota Dealership in Dallas

I was the one who mentioned it.
They have it snuggled in some velvet ropes and you can not open the door.
They want $70,000 for it or something stupid like that.
It is an 83, auto.

You can can go to thier website
http://www.toyotaofirving.com/
and get thier number.
No point in it really.
- VB




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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:07:25 EST
From: ttanaka504_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Cannot remove the front panel

 

    Thank you very much for advice, and I am sorry that I did not explain 
enough
I did Disconnect negative battery cable, remove A/C panel off and remove 
shift knob.
As manual wrote down. I can raise the panel, but I cannot pull it out. 
The panel move just little but it stock...Can I use plastic hummer to smash 
off?
Or Can I use heat gun to the panel? Does anybody have same experience with me?
How did you solve? Please tech me how.

Blacknight

    



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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:18:54 -0500
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jack_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>
Subject: RE: Red DeLorean in Bethlehem - Gold plated one?

You missed the one in Nevada -- Harrah's Casino Car Museum.  The on in Texas
and Nevada are the 2 real ones.  The Maryland one from what I remember is
put together after the fact from leftover parts.

Jack Stiefel

-----Original Message-----
From: vahottub_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:vahottub_at_dml_aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:48 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Red DeLorean in Bethlehem - Gold plated one?

The gold ones are accounted for.  One in Texas and one in Maryland.




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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:12:20 -0000
From: "M. P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: Re: Emissions Testing

Johnny,
     I asked the very same question when I had mine tested two years
ago.  The response was "We cannot access your charcoal canister so we
just mark it as 'inaccessible' and pass you."  It's located in the
left rear pontoon and they are not allowed to unscrew or un-bolt
anything to test.

Matthew
VIN 16816

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "thebrave65" <johnnysher1_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> I had my D emissioned today and she passed with flying colors way 
> below the standards they have posted.  Yay!  I have one question, 
> though.
> 
> On my data sheet is said Evap Components: Inaccessable  Result: Ok.
> 
> Why would it say that?  Isn't the ECS on the left side of the pontoon 
> in the engine bay?  Or is it inside the pontoon?
> 
> Just for the record, I'm in AZ.
> 
> Johnny
> 5518




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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:45:22 -0000
From: "Heather" <hnwwoodzell_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: De-Ice kit

I recently got a de-ice kit.  I've been looking for the instructions 
on how to install it, but haven't found any..  I guess it should be 
real simple.. can anyone post a link or instructions on how to 
install it?




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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:01:46 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: De-Ice kit

Can you clarify what you mean by a de-ice kit? That is not clear. 
Windows? Doors?

Dave S

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Heather" <hnwwoodzell_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> I recently got a de-ice kit.  I've been looking for the 
instructions 
> on how to install it, but haven't found any..  I guess it should be 
> real simple.. can anyone post a link or instructions on how to 
> install it?




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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:00:27 -0000
From: "westleymills2003" <westleymills2003_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: A pillar trim removal{trim next to windscreen}

hi im wanting to remove the a pillar trim{next to windscreen} because 
its warped at the bottom does anyone know why this mite have happend 
because its made out of black plastic.it doesnt look like the leather 
is stuck under the windscreen.thanks wes




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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:11:34 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Continued: Cannot remove the front panel

My shift boot panel is held in place by two exposed sheet metal screws
(do not know if they are original or added by PO), a couple of hidden
studs that fit into speed retainers in the metal brackets pop riveted
to the console sides, and the lip under the A/C panel. Those studs do
not fit tightly at all -- as soon as I remove the screws and A/C
panel, my shift boot panel lifts straight out.

Is it possible your studs still fit tightly? If so, a firm tug upward
should pop them out of the retainers.

Is it possible a PO glued your shift boot panel down? The only
surfaces to glue to are the brackets pop riveted to the console sides.
Be careful pulling against them because the console itself is only
made of cardboard.

Unfortunately there is no way to remove the console with the shift
boot panel in place -- 4 of its 6 mounting nuts are underneath.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, ttanaka504_at_dml_a... wrote:
>  
> 
>     Thank you very much for advice, and I am sorry that I did not
explain 
> enough
> I did Disconnect negative battery cable, remove A/C panel off and
remove 
> shift knob.
> As manual wrote down. I can raise the panel, but I cannot pull it out. 
> The panel move just little but it stock...Can I use plastic hummer
to smash 
> off?
> Or Can I use heat gun to the panel? Does anybody have same
experience with me?



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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:27:46 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: A pillar trim removal{trim next to windscreen}

It is glued in before the glass is installed. The proper way is to 
remove the glass, although many people cut it as close to the glass 
as possible and remove the assembly to re-cover it. 

It warps from the sun. 

Dave S

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "westleymills2003" 
<westleymills2003_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> hi im wanting to remove the a pillar trim{next to windscreen} 
because 
> its warped at the bottom does anyone know why this mite have 
happend 
> because its made out of black plastic.it doesnt look like the 
leather 
> is stuck under the windscreen.thanks wes




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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:32:09 -0500
From: "Jeff Chabotte" <webmaster_at_dml_88-mph.com>
Subject: Re: Seat re-covering

well, what's happening here is i already have the seats from another car and
they are being put into a customized ride. i have the material on order and
the interior color is  a light sand. Don't worry, the stitching will all
still be the same. I'm having a family friend who does customized interiors
do this, and she is even baffled.

-Jeff Chabotte
Norwich, CT
Webmaster http://www.88-mph.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:53 AM
Subject: RE: [DML] Seat re-covering


> If you have to ask- then it is better to just take the car to a auto
> upholstery shop.
> You can save money by taking the seats out for them.
> It is super easy.
> There are four bolts under each seat, under the car.
> Take the nuts off and they should just come out.
> You may need to remove the seat belt bolts to get them out in some cases.



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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:39:22 -0000
From: "thebrave65" <johnnysher1_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Red DeLorean in Bethlehem - Gold plated one?

This is where I'm confused.  I thought the gold D's only had saddle 
brown interior.  The one in Texas has black.  I suppose the owner 
could have requested the color.

Johnny
5518 


You missed the one in Nevada -- Harrah's Casino Car Museum.  The on 
in Texas and Nevada are the 2 real ones.  The Maryland one from what 
I remember is put together after the fact from leftover parts.
 
 Jack Stiefel
 





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