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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1860
Date: Thursday, February 05, 2004 8:37 PM

There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re:Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???
From: "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu>

2. Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

3. RE: Re: lost power
From: Darryl Givens <mydmc5898_at_dml_yahoo.com>

4. Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>

6. Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>

7. Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???
From: Marcel Bourgon <mbourgon_at_dml_elp.rr.com>

8. Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???
From: DeLorean5000_at_dml_comcast.net

9. Re: DELOREAN STEERING
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

10. Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>

11. Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

13. won't start
From: "painintheass7565" <advantics_at_dml_aol.com>

14. Fuel Pickup Hose
From: "Jason Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_tds.net>

15. AW: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>

16. Re: DELOREAN STEERING
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>

17. Re: DeLorean steering-Alignment
From: "simonsays10002003" <simonsays10002003_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>

18. Re: Delorean Best in Class, Chicago World of Wheels 2004
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

19. Re: Fuel Pickup Hose
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:02:10 -0500
From: "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu>
Subject: Re:Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???

Joe,
When I locke my key in my car at a gas station in podunk North Carolina, I just called 411 and got a locksmith to come by.  THe guys tried to fiddle with the lock outside the car, but was not able to open it.  Luckily my key was on the center console, and the guy was able to look at the key and run back to his van and cut a key from memory. ( he actually had to take several trips to look at the key and then go back to cut it).  He worked for about 30 minutes and charged me $40.  If they bring the car back to you and reimburse you, this is what you might have to do, but I would reccomend this before you try to open the door any other way, which might cause damage to the car.
Joe P.


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:07:38 -0500
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???

I heard a clever way of unlocking the doors a few weeks/months ago... The
message (which evades me now) says that hitting the fibreglass just in
front of the inertia switch (to the rear of the driver's wheel) can make
the inertia switch trip.  The switch cuts the ground to the fuel pump,
but also disengages the door locks as a sort of "safety feature".

You said the battery is out, but you can easily connect power to the car
with jumper cables to the jump start post and engine block.  Oh, if the
engine cover is latched, you will either have to push in a vent or access
the post or try to access it from underneath.  It may be easier to
connect a jumper cable to the starter post, which is accessible from
under the car.  

This is all assuming that your inertia switch and door lock solenoids are
working.  

Jim




On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 02:16:10 -0000 "joeyoseppi" <joeyoseppi_at_dml_yahoo.com>
writes:
> I was selling one of my deloreans and the shipping company that is 
> shipping it made the biggest mistake you could make. They locked the 
> 
> keys in the car accidentally. I told them to be sure to take the 
> kays out as it was the only set. There is no battery in the car as 
> it was being transported as non-running. But they accidentally 
> pushed the lock button while fumbling with the door handle. The door 
> 
> isn't fully closed, just caught on the safety latches. So now they 
> can't move my car, and they have actually said they might half to 
> return it to me and just refund my money. Basically returning me a 
> locked car with the keys inside saying they don't want to "mess with 
> 
> a vehicle of this caliber" Man I am getting seriously screwed here. 
> Is there any way to get in safely or to get a door key cut from a 
> VIN Number? If not I am SO screwed. If anyone has any miracle answer 
> 
> please let me know. Thanks oh so much.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:29:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Darryl Givens <mydmc5898_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Re: lost power

It wouldn't be under my name, I got the car in 2001, they said they had this done a while ago, but they didn't have any proof that it was sent to you.  When I called I only had two names to go on, but you guys from what I remember didn't have them so I don't know what happen with the trans, if it did get sent to you. I figured that this other grarage that nearly destroyed my car may have done something. I understand that jumping the car can damage the computer and it has been jumped many times before and after I have owned it. They told me they jumped it. When I did get it back and my garage that fixed it was looking at it they said two cables fell off and melted. I don't want you to think I was blaming or anything like that. Sorry if it sounded like that. No we have had many surprises with this car, and with this other garage we have found more. They glued a micro switch with and expoxy and never told me it was damaged. My mechanic found it and showed it to me. It was done really
 bad, the green glue on it was covering the whole part. Plus this garage that replaced my thermo time switch never did they just put back the old one after tring to clean it up. The garage its at now saved these parts for me to see the job that was done. I wanted to get my car up and running to get it to a Vender like your self to look and inspect it. I trust the garage its at now without any doubt, but I would like DeLorean speacialts to look at it. Sorry again if I sounded like I was accusing anyone except this bad garage that almst killed my car.
 
Darryl
5898


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 05:40:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???

Which window is the cheapest?  : )

Actually, when I bought 02650, it came with the doors
locked and no keys.  A towing company lockout guy
looked at it, but being unfamiliar with Delorean's
gave up quickly.  "Lucky" for me, the windshield was
already cracked.  So when after the tow truck driver
left, I had to go in through the windshield with a
hammer!  (Like I said, it was already cracked.)  

Seriosuly though, you'll probably have better luck
getting one of the guys here on the list who's
familiar with the locking mechanisms talking you
through slim-jimming etc. rather than using a
"Locksmith".

Worst case, I can provide "detailed" instructions on
my hanner technique.



=====
Steve

VIN 2650 ("Project Delorean")
www.projectdelorean.com

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 07:00:34 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???

I don't see why a regular locksmith can't open the door, or at least the opposite door, so 
that you can get in. Especially if you've got a copy of the parts catalogue showing details 
on the the linkage set up to show to the locksmith.

In any case, the transport company is insured against any damage that may occcur to your 
vehicle in transport. So while no damage should occur durring the opening of your vehicle, 
they should still foot the bill for any, and all repairs relating to this incident.

My advice would be to stonewall them. Tell them that if they do not feel comfortable doing 
this themselves, then they need to hire a specialist fix it for them/you! They're trying to 
scare you into taking possession of the vehicle, so they can relieve themselves of 
responsibility, and make you foot the bill. If worse come to worse, then yeah, you want to 
make sure that you, or the recipient take possession of the vehicle in a timely mannor. But 
they caused this problem, and they'll need to resolve it.

Just to make sure, double check the contract you signed, and see if perhaps it does 
mention anything regarding lockouts.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:52:26 -0500 EST
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
Subject: Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???

I was always thinking that you couldn't lock the keys inside...

if the door is open you would have to reach up to push the lock button, 
almost quite deliberately.

can't lock with remote if there is no power... can't lock with key from 
out side if the key is inside... how did this happen again??? 

I too am interesting in the answer as well.

regards,

Michael
vin 6067



> I was selling one of my deloreans and the shipping company that is 
> shipping it made the biggest mistake you could make. They locked the 
> keys in the car accidentally. I told them to be sure to take the 
> kays out as it was the only set. There is no battery in the car as 
> it was being transported as non-running. But they accidentally 
> pushed the lock button while fumbling with the door handle. The door 
> isn't fully closed, just caught on the safety latches. So now they 
> can't move my car, and they have actually said they might half to 
> return it to me and just refund my money. Basically returning me a 
> locked car with the keys inside saying they don't want to "mess with 
> a vehicle of this caliber" Man I am getting seriously screwed here. 
> Is there any way to get in safely or to get a door key cut from a 
> VIN Number? If not I am SO screwed. If anyone has any miracle answer 
> please let me know. Thanks oh so much.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
> 
> For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see 
> www.dmcnews.com
> 
> To search the archives or view files, log in at http://
> groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 07:15:48 -0700
From: Marcel Bourgon <mbourgon_at_dml_elp.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT GETTING IN BUT I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM SEVERAL 
TIMES.  I NOW MAKE SURE I TAKE THE KEYS OUT AND SET ON WORK BENCH AND I 
HAD A COUPLE OF SPARE KEYS MADE JUST IN CASE.  I DON'T KNOW WHY BUT 
EVERY NOW AND THEN THIS CAR HAS A MIND OF ITS OWN AND LOCKS UP
MARCEL IN EL PASO--GET SPARE KEYS MADE RIGHT AWAY




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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:38:41 +0000
From: DeLorean5000_at_dml_comcast.net
Subject: Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???

I too managed to lock my keys in my D one time while working on the toll booth windows.  At the time, the drivers door toll booth window was unoperational.  This was a long time ago and I don't remember all the specifics, but b/c the window didn't work, I was simply able to push the window down into the door, reach thru, and unlock.  If you haven't already, just try to push the window down into the door, it may work.  Of course, try both of them.  Good luck.

Regards,
Darren Decker
#5000
> I was selling one of my deloreans and the shipping company that is 
> shipping it made the biggest mistake you could make. They locked the 
> keys in the car accidentally. I told them to be sure to take the 
> kays out as it was the only set. There is no battery in the car as 
> it was being transported as non-running. But they accidentally 
> pushed the lock button while fumbling with the door handle. The door 
> isn't fully closed, just caught on the safety latches. So now they 
> can't move my car, and they have actually said they might half to 
> return it to me and just refund my money. Basically returning me a 
> locked car with the keys inside saying they don't want to "mess with 
> a vehicle of this caliber" Man I am getting seriously screwed here. 
> Is there any way to get in safely or to get a door key cut from a 
> VIN Number? If not I am SO screwed. If anyone has any miracle answer 
> please let me know. Thanks oh so much.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
> 
> For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com
> 
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:00:38 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: DELOREAN STEERING

If the tires are rubbing on the sway bar it is possible that the sway
bar is installed UPSIDE DOWN! We saw this once before on a car at one
of our Spring Tech Sessions. Everything looks OK till you turn the wheels.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, John Podlewski <john_podlewski_at_dml_y...>
wrote:
> Tires rub on front sway bar they are relatively new so are tie rod
ends also installed new rack and pinion.  Size is correct P195/60R14
so what gives?????  I do need to get the alignment done but I doubt
that could be the cause could it?????
> 
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:43:17 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> I was always thinking that you couldn't lock the keys inside... if 
> the door is open you would have to reach up to push the lock
> button, almost quite deliberately. can't lock with remote if there 
>is no power... can't lock with key from out side if the key is 
> inside... how did this happen again??? 
> 
> I too am interesting in the answer as well.

Yes, you would have to push the lock deliberatly in order for this to 
occur. I had someone innocently enough do this to my car the first 
time they rode in it, and got out. It will jam the lock into place, 
and it take a little patience working with your key to get the lock 
open.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_j...> 
wrote:
> I heard a clever way of unlocking the doors a few weeks/months 
> ago... The message (which evades me now) says that hitting the 
fibreglass just in front of the inertia switch (to the rear of the
> driver's wheel) can make the inertia switch trip.  The switch cuts
> the ground to the fuel pump, but also disengages the door locks as
> a sort of "safety feature".

I had originaly thought of this a couple of years back, and don't 
know if it will really work. I've no idea of the exact circuit design 
inside the intertia switch, so if power from the fuel pump is used to 
trip the locks, then that rules this out for the most part. In any 
case, you would need one hell of a jolt to get that ball to jump up 
and hit the plunger. I've hit pot holes, speed bumps, and even sent 
my car airborn at one point, and I've never tripped that inertia 
switch. It's wiggled it's way up, but never fully disengaged. Damage 
would 'prolly result first, before you'd trip it.

However, I didn't think of pushing out the right vent on the engine 
cover to access the jump point (I was thinking of jacking up the car, 
or pulling hard enough to dislocate the latch from the engine cover). 
If the door was locked, and then closed, there's a pretty good chance 
that the lock is jammed. And if this is the case, applying 12V to the 
jump post would power the lock module, and cause it to go into 
it's "panic mode", and it would start locking/unlocking the doors by 
kicking the solenoids back and forth. Once the opposire door unlocks, 
pull power from the post, open door, and retrieve key. Viola!

That is of course as Jim says, and still assuming that your Power 
Door Locks are in proper functioning order.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:47:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???

I am not a big fan of telling people how to break in
to our cars on a public mailing list...  However, this
procedure is a little "obvious", so I hope it wont
cause a problem..

Remove the T roof, then the cover plate for the wire
harness in to the doors.  Pull the connectors apart,
and energize the "unlock" coil with a 12V DC source...

Get a wire diagram to figure out wich wires to use.. 
Not something I want to publish in a public forum.

Good luck.


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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 12:30:27 -0500
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???

Hi List,
I'm not sure if there is a problem with my toll booth windows but if I push them down really hard from the outside they will come down enough to reach inside the car.  Maybe yours will do the same thing?

later

Dave Phelps
Petoskey, MI



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:11:52 -0000
From: "painintheass7565" <advantics_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: won't start

Help. My baby wouldn't start about two weeks ago and I thought it was 
from bad gas. I drained and cleaned the tank, then replaced the 
screen, pick up hose, fuel pump, fuel distributor, fuel injectors and 
cold start valve. She still won't start.It trys to sputter and run 
for a few seconds but won't stay running and smokes up a storm when 
it does. What am I missing?

John 5326




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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:21:33 -0800
From: "Jason Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_tds.net>
Subject: Fuel Pickup Hose

         List,
                The last time I drove my car before putting it up for winter it started making
a sound from up front somewhere. I'm pretty sure it was my fuel pickup hose but haven't
pulled it to see yet since I really don't like being out in the freezing cold. Anyway, I'm 
going to check it out before I get the car out again for spring and was wondering what 
else I might check while I'm messing around in there. I've had the car for about 3 1/2 years
and have never messed with anything to do with the fuel system. Not to stir a war between
vendors but who's got the best deal on an aftermarket pickup hose? Any precautions
I should take before doing anything? Any advice or tips? Email me off list if you like at
rowejj(at)tds.net   
                                       Thanks in advance...............Jason #5903

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:45:08 +0100
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
Subject: AW: Locked out of car!! Keys inside. Anyway to get in???

That's simple.

Take five different Delorean keys and I bet one of them opens your door !

We tried that earlier on several cars and it works !


Before destroying a window I would drill a hole in the lock and get a new
one.
But two phone calls and 2 days of shipping you might get several different
keys
and your door will be open again.

Try it ! I bet you will be amazed/shocked ....

Elvis


I was selling one of my deloreans and the shipping company that is
shipping it made the biggest mistake you could make. They locked the
keys in the car accidentally. I told them to be sure to take the
kays out as it was the only set. There is no battery in the car as
it was being transported as non-running. But they accidentally
pushed the lock button while fumbling with the door handle. The door
isn't fully closed, just caught on the safety latches. So now they
can't move my car, and they have actually said they might half to
return it to me and just refund my money. Basically returning me a
locked car with the keys inside saying they don't want to "mess with
a vehicle of this caliber" Man I am getting seriously screwed here.
Is there any way to get in safely or to get a door key cut from a
VIN Number? If not I am SO screwed. If anyone has any miracle answer
please let me know. Thanks oh so much.

Joe





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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:31:15 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: DELOREAN STEERING

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, John Podlewski <john_podlewski_at_dml_y...> 
wrote:
> Tires rub on front sway bar they are relatively new so are tie rod 
ends also installed new rack and pinion.  Size is correct P195/60R14 
so what gives?????  I do need to get the alignment done but I doubt 
that could be the cause could it?????
<SNIP>

Check your Front Lower Control Arms. See if they're bent at all, or 
if the bend on the rear portion is starting to fold up. When I first 
got my car, they were perfect, but over the course of 40K more miles, 
they have started to bend, and I too am starting to get a slight 
rubbing on my sway bar with stock sized tires installed. I'm guessing 
that this is what's screwing up the caster on my car, and causing the 
same problem.

I've also been told religously by everyone to make sure that if I use 
a tow truck, to make sure that they never attach the tow hooks to the 
LCAs. In towing my DeLorean, watching another owner have his towed, 
and every other vehicle I've had, or seen moved, not once have any of 
these drivers attached hooks to anyting other than the designated 
loops on the chassis.

After seeing this, I seriously doubt that DeLoreans are the constant 
victims of incopetnet tow truck drivers, so much as they are poor 
engineering by Lotus. Just as the metal on the front crumple tubes 
was engineered too thin, and needed to be protected from bending by 
the installation of sway bar brackets, I'd be willing to wager that 
the Lower Control Arms for the front suspention are in the exact same 
boat. Even GM uses 2-piece LCAs on their J-Body cars that are spot 
welded together, and utilize thicker steel than the DeLorean does. 
And those are compact cars.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:13:17 -0000
From: "simonsays10002003" <simonsays10002003_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: DeLorean steering-Alignment

hi dave iv just been underneath and counted the shims and measured 
them. on the passenger side i have 5 big shims and 2 very very small 
they measure 9/16 of an inch altogether.on the drivers side [left] i 
have 3 shims plus one very very thin one they measure 5/16 of an inch 
altogether.the car drives fine so im baffaled to the amount of shims 
etc if somthing were bent the frame would in therey be bent on both 
sides inwards where the trailing arms attach  in the middle to need 
both sides shimed like this.iv had the car on ramps and checked 
everything it all seems as new no damage etc.

thanks simon




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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:27:02 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Best in Class, Chicago World of Wheels 2004

congradulation Rich,

It is always good to see Deloreans winning awards. The more visibility 
the car gets the better for all of us.


BOB




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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:38:32 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Pickup Hose

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jason Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_t...> wrote:
>          List,
>                 The last time I drove my car before putting it up 
for winter it started making
> a sound from up front somewhere. I'm pretty sure it was my fuel 
pickup hose but haven't
> pulled it to see yet since I really don't like being out in the 
freezing cold. Anyway, I'm 
> going to check it out before I get the car out again for spring and 
was wondering what 
> else I might check while I'm messing around in there. I've had the 
car for about 3 1/2 years
> and have never messed with anything to do with the fuel system. Not 
to stir a war between
> vendors but who's got the best deal on an aftermarket pickup hose? 
Any precautions
> I should take before doing anything? Any advice or tips?
<SNIP>

The best advice to give would be to track down that sound first, and 
find out where exactly that sound is comming from, and what is 
causing it, before you buy any repalcement parts. It may be simply a 
rattling fuel hose pressing up against the underbody, and a slice of 
foam wedged in between would fix it.

As for who's got the best prices, your best bet is to shop around the 
different vendors websites. For your general, run of mill D-Specific 
parts, vendors are pretty much the same price wise, although certain 
vendors will have specialty items that only they have available thru 
themselves (www.pjgrady.com dressup kits, www.delorean.com 
Performance Exhaust, etc...). Although I have found that for 
universal items that one would need durring the course of a 
restoration, John Hervey's www.specialtauto.com is pretty much 
the "Spatula City" of DeLorean Parts. He's got some great prices, and 
several good items to allow you to modify/simplify the fuction of 
your car. Plus, I have found his Core Charges ,or in some cases, lack 
there-of, a welcome asistance in expediting various repairs in the 
process of my rolling restoration, and quite often, a major influence 
in my purchases.

Another up and comming site is Toby Peterson's DeLorean Parts 
Northwest _at_dml_ www.delorean-parts.com (if I knew Darryl Tinnerstet had 
so many parts, at such good prices, I probably would have bought more 
from him in the past). DPNW however seems to be pretty good on their 
prices in comparison to other vendors, and hopefully Toby will 
continue on with his development of products. Especially that custom 
bracket for the rear sway bar that he mentioned... :D

Now if you've budgeted monthly for a restoration, DMC Houston has a 
customer loyalty incentive called the "Budget Restoration Program", 
which will reward you with a 10% discount after you spend $1,500 with 
them. Which if you're cutting your teeth on a fresh restoration, 
exceeding that on your initial purchase isn't hard to do. But your 
best bet is to contact them directly for full details.

Discounts are great IMO, but easing up on those core charges sure 
would make things even easier!

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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