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To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 2166
Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:52 PM

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: idle problems
From: Phil Priestley <phil_at_dml_alessandros120.com>

2. Vin#1790 Alaskan Delorean?
From: motarhedd_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: John DeLorean's Former Estate
From: "Elias Pierro" <dmc-delorean_at_dml_web.de>

4. Re: Re: Turn signals/hazzard lights not working
From: Martin Gutkowski - DMUK <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

5. Re: Anyone want a REAL project car???
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. junk yard flyer
From: "andy" <andydandy777_at_dml_aol.com>

7. Vacuum questions
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

8. Re: More shameless ebay store self promotion...
From: kevin creason <kcreason77_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. Re: Auto Trans Shift Points
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_verizon.net>

10. Re: Auto Trans Shift Points
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

11. Re: Anyone want a REAL project car???
From: "bluemax86" <massimot_at_dml_rushmore.com>

12. Re: Engine Bay Cover
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

13. Re: Stick shift Parts
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

14. Re: Auto Trans Shift Points
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

15. Re: Fall Foliage Tour V Oct 16th and 17th
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

16. Which lubricant is best for the angle drive??
From: "caddyshack1985" <dkorpal_at_dml_wi.rr.com>

17. Re: Delorean window parts
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

18. AC Temp readings
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>

19. Complete LED kit for the car - ALL BULBS
From: "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

20. Horrible Idle problem
From: "austinbrumley" <austinbrumley_at_dml_delorean.com>

21. New shocks and springs
From: "usndmc" <usndmc_at_dml_yahoo.com>

22. steering wheel removal
From: Michael T Twigger <marktwigger_at_dml_juno.com>

23. Re: More shameless ebay store self promotion...
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net>

24. Cincinnati DeLorean Tech Session, Sept 12th
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net>

25. RE: entertainment/speakers at the show
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:23:02 -0700
From: Phil Priestley <phil_at_dml_alessandros120.com>
Subject: Re: Re: idle problems

David -
I replaced the fuel pump a week after it started acting like this. Tank 
components are fine with no water in there. Does it no matter the fuel 
level. The frequency valve is buzzing. There is no chance of water in 
the plug wells as it has been in the upper 90's for most of the last 
month and the car is garaged and I've been through the water in the 
plug wells before so that was one of the first things I checked.. Brand 
new set of plug wires.

Matt-
Mixture screw is set as correctly as possible using a dwell meter. I 
have experienced the mixture being too rich and too lean and this is 
not the way it acted. There is no smoke.

John-
First off, you're the best. Thanks for all the phone advice you have 
given me.
There was no idle seeking after about a minute of warm up before this 
problem popped up. It used to hold real steady. This problem just 
started with no warning. I thought that maybe I had some water in the 
tank but that doesn't seem to be the case.

I will be happy to check the mixture adjustment again but I find it 
hard to believe that parking it for a show and then starting it up 3 
hours later would cause it to go out of adjustment. The thing will 
barely Idle most of the time and other times its just fine. It started 
acting this way right after I bought my benz so I thought that maybe 
"she" was trying to spite me LOL.  I thought that the problem was just 
the fuel pump as it was getting real noisy but I guess that wasn't it.  
Thanks to everyone for their input.


Alessandros 120
http://alessandros120.com/
(503)370-9951




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 02:21:30 EDT
From: motarhedd_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Vin#1790 Alaskan Delorean?

Hey Folks,

i was just going through my NADA carfax, and realized that the first entry 
was a title lien from 1988 in Soldotna, Alaska. it was renewed again in '91. 
then in '95 shows up in Florida.

this just makes me wonder where it could have originated from. were there any 
shipments to Alaskan dealers? or maybe Canadian? Just another interesting 
thing about my D to follow up on.

any far north owners out there?

Thanks,
Russell N.
vin#1790
"Have DMC Will Travel"


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:54:59 -0000
From: "Elias Pierro" <dmc-delorean_at_dml_web.de>
Subject: Re: John DeLorean's Former Estate

That is sad...where lives John DeLorean now ?

Elias
www.dmc-delorean.de


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, DmcGman_at_dml_c... wrote:
> Just thought I would share this with the group.  I was at John 
DeLorean's former estate today in Bedminster NJ, which is now the 
Trump International Golf Club.
> Gary Gore



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:08:38 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski - DMUK <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Turn signals/hazzard lights not working

Popped bulbs make the indicators flash faster on the DeLorean.

Martin

content22207 wrote:

> Look for a burned out bulb. 
> 
> If DeLorean is like other cars of its vintage, whenever you see the
> dash turn signal indicators light up constant green but not flash,
> there's a burned out bulb on that side of the circuit.
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> 
> 





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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 05:07:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone want a REAL project car???

Man, I'm having flashbacks to when I "discovered"
02650 back in 1997.  It wasn't quite that bad, but not
too far off!  Anybody have another radical custom in
mind?  ;  )


=====
Steve

VIN 2650 ("Project Delorean")
www.projectdelorean.com

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:48:23 -0000
From: "andy" <andydandy777_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: junk yard flyer

wow, and I thought I had a project going. I don't think you could 
get enough good parts from here to pay the cost, but it would make a 
good challenge and only around 30 grand or so.




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:25:09 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Vacuum questions

Where -exactly- is the check valve that maintains vacuum for the A/C 
duct flapper?

When I firewall the throttle, I lose so much vacuum the flapper 
shuts, cutting off my airflow. Also, no matter what position the 
flapper is in when I shut the car off, vacuum leaks and the flap 
falls to the shut position.

Also, please remind me of the operation of the thermal 3-port vacuum 
switch in the coolant distribution pipe:

1. Describe the different modes of operation _at_dml_ different temps.
2. 1 line goes to the vacuum advance solenoid.
3. 1 line goes to the intake nipple for a vacuum source.
4. 1 line goes ????

How does the charcoal evaporative cannister fit into all this?

Thanks,
Rich A.




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 05:33:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: kevin creason <kcreason77_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: More shameless ebay store self promotion...

man... I didn't know my DeLo needed a green and gold
antique couch... how did I miss that in the Concours
manual?


--- Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net> wrote:

> Hi List,
> 
> Got another large batch of parts up on my ebay
> store, and wanted to make it public.  Check it out when you get the chance,
> and let me know what I  can help you with.



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:52:23 -0400
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Auto Trans Shift Points

The DeLorean automatic transmission shift points are controlled by a
computer. The only way to change the shift points is to change the actual
electronics in the computer.

Dave Sontos
vin 02573 automatic

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: [DML] Auto Trans Shift Points


> Hey all, I have a question and I don't know if it has been discussed much
in the past. I have the auto in my car, and really, regrettably, I don't know
> that much about the Renault unit....... What I want to know before I do too much investigation is, does anyone know of a way to do this with the Renault
Auto in the DeLorean.



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:48:59 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Auto Trans Shift Points

In the Delorean the vacuum modulater ONLY modulates line pressure.
It's sole function in life is to set the line pressure and lower it in
preparation for a shift to make the shifts smoother. If you want to
experiment changing shift points try adjusting the cable from the
throttle spool to the shift computer. You can make small changes
there. For any big changes you are going to have to redesign a new
shift computer as it is what determines when to shift. The only things
you can do to affect it is the kick-down switch which will force a
downshift (within certain rules) and the position of the gas pedal as
communicated through the cable to the shift computer. IMHO there is
very little to be gained from changing the shift points unless you
have made major changes to the motor or the final drive. For shift
hold you can try using the gear selector in the console. If you put it
in D2 it will shift up to 2nd from 1st and back but not go to 3rd.
Simularly if you put it in D1 it will not shift out of D1. Be careful
not to overspeed the motor when using shift hold. 
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, deloreanss_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hey all, I have a question and I don't know if it has been discussed
much in the past. I have the auto in my car, and really, regrettably, I
don't know that much about the Renault unit.



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:16:45 -0000
From: "bluemax86" <massimot_at_dml_rushmore.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone want a REAL project car???

This car was on e-bay a few weeks back with a price of $5,555.55. The
guy is dreaming and obviously knows nothing about Deloreans. Maybe in
another few weeks he will price it at $555.55!!

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Joe OBrien" <joeyoseppijoe_at_dml_y...>
wrote:
> Check this one out if your brave, don't know if it would even be
> worth it in parts. WoW
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/5v7l8
> 
> 
> Yikes!
> 
> Joe O'Brien
> 
> 2524 (with a dead fuel pump) & 16634




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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:45:16 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Bay Cover

I was cleaning out my garage and found the left over fiberglass engine 
cover from my BTTF Delorean.

I would like to get rid of it.  It need some repair work  and has no 
screening.  If you are interested
contact me directly.  

BOB Brandys




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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:47:06 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Stick shift Parts

I converted a 5 speed Delorean to an automatic about 5 years ago.

I have a box of the left over stick shift parts.  I will put it on ebay
in the next few days.

All parts are in excellent condition.  

BOB




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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:14:43 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Auto Trans Shift Points

There is a small so-called computer governor on the side of the 
transmission. It controls the shift points, based only on rear-wheel 
RPM (hint - this could drive an electronic speedo!!) and throttle 
position. There is a vacuum modulator on the back of the trans, but 
it only controls line pressure. If you want to modify the shift 
points you need to modify the comparator circuits in the computer. 

You might be able to fake it into shifting a little bit later by 
pulling the throttle input cable all the way up, but conversly it 
would downshift sooner too. 

There are a few people working on replacment electronics for that 
thing that use completely different (programmable logic) electronics. 
This will allow you to change shift points on the fly and monitor the 
shifting activity. 

Dave S

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, deloreanss_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hey all, I have a question and I don't know if it has been 
discussed much in 
> the past. I have the auto in my car, and really, regrettably, I 
don't know 
> that much about the Renault unit. I worked for a company that 
specialised in Jag 
> trannys which were pretty standard Borg Warner units for the 6cyls, 
GM Turbos 
> for the 12 cyls. With the GM transmissions there was a vacuum 
modulator that 
> regulated the shift points for the transmissions. By adavancing an 
adjustment 
> screw clockwise or counterclockwise you can change the shift points 
on the car 
> to hold for a later RPM. What I want to know before I do too much 
> investigation is, does anyone know of a way to do this with the 
Renault Auto in the 
> DeLorean. Like I said, my transmission has been pretty solid, so I 
haven't needed to 
> study it much, but I wish it would hold first and second gears a 
little 
> longer.




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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:12:21 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Fall Foliage Tour V Oct 16th and 17th

made my reservation today


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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:52:17 -0000
From: "caddyshack1985" <dkorpal_at_dml_wi.rr.com>
Subject: Which lubricant is best for the angle drive??

Hi group,

Any recommendations out there for which type or brand of lubricant 
is best suited for routine lubricating maintenance of the angle 
drive?  

I have all the Delorean manuals, but I was also curious if anyone 
had any helpful tips or hints from their own experiences for 
properly applying the lubricant.    

Thank you!
Dave K.
Vin#10579







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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:28:52 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean window parts

I have listed on ebay left over window parts from when I put in the full 
size power windows.

The glass has already been sold.  THese are the stock  brackets and stuff..

BOB




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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:18:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: AC Temp readings

Hello,

     Today my drain hose for the AC was repaired and
the swimming pool in the passanger side is gone. 
Thanks to the DCD folks at Nurburg ring for finding
the problem this weekend. (I thought it was a leak
from the rain weve been having)

So back from the shop i put it to the test on make on
the autobahn.  I have a digital turkey thermometer
that I put in the center vent.  Here is the results at
driving speed

MAX A/C  -0.8C   yes thats negative == about 30F
NORM      2.0C                         about 36F

Can this be right? I dont think my AC cycles either.
Any ideas?

Jordan

11613



		
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:06:40 -0000
From: "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Complete LED kit for the car - ALL BULBS

If there is anyone who wanted to change out every bulb on the car
with LED's I have them for you.
This is not a kit I am going to offer at thsi time, 
right now I just happen to have all of these as part of a testing kit
I was using.
This is everything, running lights, brake lights, blinkers, even the
reverse lights. This includes the side marker lights too.

This is:
(4) Red Brake Lights
(2) Amber rear blinker
(2) Super white reverse lights
(2) super wide white running lights
(2) Ftont blinker/running lights
(4) side marker lights

This is a total of 16 bulbs that will replace all of your lights.
So if you have been wanting to do this now is your chance.
This is a one time offering as I do not plan to sell these kits.
Please contact me off the list for details.
- Videobob
VIN#5278
http://www.dfwdmc.com






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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:41:08 -0000
From: "austinbrumley" <austinbrumley_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Horrible Idle problem

I just got my car running for the first time since i bought it. When 
we first fired it it ran like crap sputters, runs rich won't idle. I 
just put a new fuel distributor in from John Hervey. It runs better 
but still idles like crap and runs to rich. What else should i 
replace and where should my co adjustment & idle speed controls be 
set to? Thanks for all you help. Who knows mayby this thing will run 
someday.


                                                 Austin




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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:54:02 -0000
From: "usndmc" <usndmc_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: New shocks and springs

Hey all,

I am getting ready to put some lowered springs and perf. shocks into 
my car. I don't know that much about the different kinds, I was 
wondering if anyone has any strong opinions on the sets from the 
different vendors out there and about lowered springs on just the 
front (i.e. Grady) or all 4 (DMCH). I looked in the archives but 
couldn't seem to find anything of relevance later than 2001, and it 
didn't help much. Just wanted to see if there's some new opinions 
out there. Thanks,

Dave
#5968




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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:41:32 -0400
From: Michael T Twigger <marktwigger_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: steering wheel removal

How do you remove the steering wheel?

We have replaced the steering rack and some how
the steering wheel is off almost 180 degrees.  And the steering rack
only goes in one way. Has this happened to anyone else?

MT

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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:32:19 -0400
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net>
Subject: Re: More shameless ebay store self promotion...

It was going to be installed on the 1984 model cars. (haha)

I guess that's what I get for starting an ebay store...now everybody I 
know wants me to put their crap up for sale on there.

I'll make you a deal.  If you buy a LH front fender, I'll throw the 
couch in for free!  (haha)

Take care man,
Josh


kevin creason wrote:

>man... I didn't know my DeLo needed a green and gold
>antique couch... how did I miss that in the Concours
>manual?



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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:48:25 -0400
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net>
Subject: Cincinnati DeLorean Tech Session, Sept 12th

Hi List,

Along with a few fellow DMLer's I've determined that it is once again 
time for another tech session at my place.  We are looking at the date 
of Sunday, September 12th around 9 am as a possibility and wanted to run 
that past people on the list to see how many would be able to make it.

So far it looks like we should have a good crowd, but we need some 
projects to work on.  We've got a windshield installation that's needed, 
and maybe another body/frame separation, which are always fun, but if 
your baby needs some end of summer maintenance, we'd be glad to have you 
as well!

Anyway...if you're going to be in the area on that date, and are 
interested in joining us, shoot me an e-mail off list and let me know.  
(jhaldeman(AT)fuse.net)  Parts will be available cheap, and we always 
find a way to squeeze food into the mix.  (Jenette...looking in your 
general direction! haha)

Take care,
Josh
VIN 5102
VIN 15964
VIN 11289 (parts)
VIN 10236 (parts)
VIN 3951 (parts)





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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:31:37 -0500
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: entertainment/speakers at the show

(Moderators note: This is it guys. Any further discussion neeeds to be off list. If anyone has suggestions to help VB I'm sure he would like to hear from you, off list. Marty, this weeks moderator)


Thanks Ken.

I would like to have a truce, treaty.... what ever you call it.
>From now on I am going to follow a new rule of thumb.
I am not going to fall into these traps where I defend myself against these 
attacks by people. I think that from now on people should keep their personal opinions to their selves, or at least off the list.
If you have something to discuss with me then do it off list.
I am not going to play these games with anyone any more.
I will continue to make my solicitations, and I will let the market bare 
what it will.
If no one wants what I have to offer then I will not sell anything.
That's that.

So far the only crime I have committed is announcing my new products on the 
list to those who want them.
No one has ever complained about my service or products, so who cares if I 
make a post every other month about a new project?

Every single one of my items has been born of necessity.
It was something I wanted that no one else had, so in the process of making 
it happen I made it available for everyone else.

Please remember, I work with UATV Television network by contract, and I SELL 
commercials as well as write them, produce them, voice them, shoot them and edit them. So I can't help but think that way.

Nothing gets sold by keeping it quiet.
It's not like I am ramming the same products down your throat,
I announce it once then I move onto the next thing.

What am I doing wrong?
What would you like me to do?
What is the best method for announcing a new product for sale without 
offending anyone on the list? I would like to serve you all better.

I think the entire value of this list is that provides a place for guys like 
me to get together and share ideas and products for our cars.
That's all I am doing really, in comparison to my other ventures, my 
DeLorean parts sales account for about 5% of my income.
Not enough for me to get this stressed out over.
I really am just trying to make a name for myself in the community and I 
think that is what is bothering so many of the established members.

- VB



>From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
>Subject: RE: [DML] entertainment/speakers at the show
>
>I hope this thread does not get out of hand.
>
>Video Bob asked if he could vidoe tape the show and do a video for sale 
>aferward.  I cannot do this and run the show so He has my blessings on 
>doing what he can to make all of your experiences at PF preserved in video



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