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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 2217
Date: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:44 AM

There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)
From: Enid/Jeremiah <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Headlight Switch Reproductions
From: Rod Dillman <rhdillman_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. Re: Cargo Net Elastic
From: "dmcorlando2003" <SundeQuick_at_dml_aol.com>

4. Re: Looking for a DMC
From: Rod Dillman <rhdillman_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)
From: "dmcorlando2003" <SundeQuick_at_dml_aol.com>

6. Re: Re: Keys
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

7. DeLorean Options
From: "EJ Chambers" <marmieej_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. Re: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

9. Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

10. RE: Headlight Switch Reproductions
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. Re: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)
From: DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683_at_dml_wi.rr.com>

12. Re: Keys
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

13. Re: DeLorean Options
From: ComposerZelgadis_at_dml_aol.com

14. Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:44:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Enid/Jeremiah <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)

IMHO, if one is willing to go through all this, your
car isn't worth much to you.  I mean that in a
generalized sense, not directly to you, Andy.

Jeremiah

  
--- Soma576_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 9/7/04 8:35:31 AM Central
> Daylight Time, Soma576_at_dml_aol.com 
> writes:
> 
> 
> > The difference is Fram does not make a filter that
> is exactly for the 
> > DeLorean application due to the side-mount design.
>  I work in the industry 
> > and talked 
> > to a FRAM application technician and this is FACT.
>  if the filter were 
> > mounted upside down (hanging down) it would be ok.
> the main difference is in 
> > the 
> > anti-drain back valve design (or lack of).
> > 
> > Andy
> 
> As an update to my above post, today I called the
> specialist again and he 
> told me that the PH7328 Fram filter is the closest
> match they have.  it DOES have 
> an anti drainback valve.  The information is
> contrary to what i posted 
> earlier today.  This filter MAY work but then again,
> there may be gasket or 
> clearance problems.  the flow rate or other internal
> valves could differ from the 
> Purflux application.  besides - i find it hard to
> believe that anyone could need 
> an oil filter RIGHT NOW rather than wait 3 days for
> the perfect one, at a 
> slightly higher cost.
> 
> Darkstar - the 2870A filter is NOT an approved
> filter for the DeLorean, 
> coming from this Fram representative.  i didn't ask
> why not but he said he would 
> not recommend it even though it fits. if you would
> like more information i can 
> call him back.  i do know that that filter is used
> on a wide variety of VW and 
> Audi vehicles dating back to maybe three decades and
> is still in use today.  
> 
> Andy
> 
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:43:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rod Dillman <rhdillman_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Headlight Switch Reproductions

After reading James' recent posting about DMC, Humble's plan to offer owners a chance to pre-order headlight switches as well as a follow up posting, I talked with Stephen Wynne at DMC. I have owned two Deloreans over the past five years and have never needed a headlight switch for either. My first DeLorean had around 80,000 miles showing on the broken speedometer  when I traded it for a refurbished DeLorean from DMC then located in Houston. While my refurbished car has been trouble free for the 3 years I have owned it, I still carry a spare fuel pump with me on trips as well as spare belts, spare fuses, replacement lamps for the xenon boosted headlights that I upgraded to and  small tools and screwdrivers. I probably should also carry a spare water pump and if it were as compact as the fuel pump I would have already bought it. I pre-ordered two Headlight Switches today in hopes that the 250 goal will be achieved soon and DMC can place the order with the manufacturer. To me $80 is
 insignificant should you have a headlight switch failure on a dark night away from home and, for me ,probably on a weekend. If I never need either headlight switch, just the peace of mind of having one on a trip is worth the price. Recently there was a headlight switch and a hazard switch on ebay for a Buy It Now price of $125. I was tempted but I would rather have a new reproduction switch for $40 than a 20 plus year  old NOS switch even if the price were the same. I encourage any others who may feel the same as I, to place orders soon so that production can begin and the new switches delivered. Just for the record, I have no connection whatsoever with DMC, Humble other than being a satisfied customer. 

		
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:50:16 -0000
From: "dmcorlando2003" <SundeQuick_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Cargo Net Elastic

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "EJ Chambers" <marmieej_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Does anyone know a good replacement for the elastic band used in the
> cargo net? My net is in good condition, but the elastic has about 
had it.
> 
> Thanks in advance!!

Try this site:

http://htbbungeecords.bizland.com/store/bulkcord.html

looks pretty inexpensive.  I did not locate this site, just passing 
along information I have seen online before.

Michael
Vin# 02944




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:55:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rod Dillman <rhdillman_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for a DMC

Wald, Congratulations on the ten pound loss. You ask how my car rides on long trips. I am probably not a good one to give an opinion. My other cars are Cadillacs and they definitely are roomier and are more comfortable. I bought a 1974 MGB-GT new in 1974  and the DeLorean ride to me is far superior. The DMC feels glued to the road on curves, has a sports car "feel" for the road, yet is air-conditioned and has adjustable seats which, to me, offer good support on a trip. Keep in mind that I am not an agressive driver and contrary to how some feel I have no complaints about the power of the engine. On a trip I usually get 25-26 miles per gallon on regular gasoline. I change oil every three thousand miles and the oil level is still on full after three thousand miles. Overall I feel that the car is pleasurable on a long trip however there are drawbacks. It causes you to pack efficiently on a trip since luggage space is limited. Be prepared for cars on interstate roads to hang in your
 blind spot to look at the car. I have almost pulled into cars in the passing lane three times. I finally added the cheap stick-on convex mirror to the drivers side. I am very cautious before pulling into another lane now. I enjoy driving the car and I confess that I enjoy the comments and conservations that it generates.          

waldwagen <waldwagen_at_dml_hotmail.com> wrote: Hi,

I'm down ten pounds already. My daily running is doing wonders for 
my metabolism.

I looked at Delorean Motor Cars website and they offer completely 
refurbished DMC's with a few performance upgrades for 35k. What do 
you think?

Also, how does your DMC ride on long trips?

Thanks

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Rod Dillman wrote:
> Wald- I once bought a DeLorean with potential "cheap" only to find 
that after I had spent over $6,000 on new parts that it had a rusted 
and dangerous frame. I traded it to DMC Humble for one of their 
refurbished cars. I have owned the new car for three years and it 
has been a pleasure to drive and trouble free. I can drive it on 
long trips with confidence, with my fixer I never got farther from 
home than my AAA towing mileage limit.My advice is for you to lose 
the 100 pounds and call DMC Humble.I recomend that you get the xenon 
boosted headlight option that they offer, they are great at night 
and the cost was only $200. Good luck on the diet, I lost 30 pounds 
on the Atkins diet a year and a half ago and have kept it off. It is 
the only diet that I have ever managed to stay on for more than two 
meals.
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:08:16 -0000
From: "dmcorlando2003" <SundeQuick_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)

David, 
> > If you're advocating buying such parts only from a vendor that's 
> > nonsense. All you're doing when you succumb to this is admitting 
you 
> > don't have the expertise to know the difference. Do you really 
think 
> > DMC or any other vendor has a factory out back making spark 
plugs, 
> > wires, coils, or most other components?

Hey if I was smart enough, I know for a fact that I could source 
EVERYTHING (for a price) for a Delorean.  Alternators, Plug wires, 
Relays, Evaporators etc Can all be sourced or custome made.  As long 
as Stainless Steel is being produced, panels "can" be made.  As long 
Fiberglass is around a new body shell "can" be produced. That is the 
same with the frame, the wheels and every other part.  
Everything "can" be reproduced or sourced.  All you need is time and 
$$$$ and it can all be yours for the taking.  

Seriously though, I go with the vendors on most things because of 
the "insurance policy" I have that the items will work and if they 
don't I have a person/business to go backto.  In addition, I don't 
want the headache af re-inventing the wheel in some cases, or in 
other cases looking for another place to get a wheel when I already 
know where I can find one.  

I want to spend my time enjoy driving my car...while others may enjoy 
the hunt for parts.

Just my opinion.  

Michael
Vin# 02944


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:44:03 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Keys

In a message dated 9/7/04 5:22:00 PM Central Daylight Time, 
johnnysher1_at_dml_cox.net writes:


> Sometimes you can find the key code written under one of the headliners.
> 
> Johnny
> 5518
> 

Even easier - 

some cars have a round sticker on the underside of the steering column 
ignition switch shroud with the VIN number and key code written in pen.  not sure on 
the origin or story behind it but my car has it (VIN 11596) and the owner of 
VIN 6960 has it too - so it probably isn't just a KAPAC thing (which is what 
my car is, even though it's an '82).

who else has this little sticker?

Andy


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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 00:36:01 -0000
From: "EJ Chambers" <marmieej_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DeLorean Options

I have been reading some old issues of a DeLorean Mag that I have
acquired and noticed some of the DeLorean accessories that used to be
offered. I was wondering if any of these options are still offered by
any of the DeLorean vendors. 

Such accessories would include rear spoiler, double wiper blades,
switch cover that covers the 5 console switches, side skirts with air
scoops

Thanks in advance!!




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:57:57 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)

In a message dated 9/7/04 6:07:34 PM Central Daylight Time, 
hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:


> IMHO, if one is willing to go through all this, your
> car isn't worth much to you.  I mean that in a
> generalized sense, not directly to you, Andy.
> 
> Jeremiah

No Prob, Jeremiah.  I have some connections in the industry and just wanted 
to relay what information i do have. for the record, i use and have only used 
the Purflux filter.  maybe someone on this list will buy the Fram filter, tear 
it open, and compare it to the Purflux.  that would be helpful.

Anyway, Fram consistently scores poorly on independant filter quality tests 
that i have read on the net (take that with a grain of salt i suppose).  Maybe 
they are low quality, or maybe everyone else is over engineered, i don't know! 
 However, they have very high volume of filters sold and do have a complete 
warranty on their filter - if you properly install it and the filter is found 
to be the cause of engine damage or failure, they will pay for the engine 
(after lab tests).   I have no idea what they would do if you installed the wrong 
filter that fit anyway and a guy behind the service desk at Bubba's Auto Parts 
said that was the right one.  for me, if there is ANY question at all, I would 
run as far away as possible when it comes to something like an engine oil 
filter - something that can make the difference between an engine that is running 
properly and an engine with blown main bearings. 

Andy


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 01:26:16 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)

The only listing Fram has for the DeLorean oil filter is a PH7328 
ExtraGuard. Why did you select a different number? I'm sure it works 
but I'm wondering why you selected something different than 
the "official" listing.

Harold McElraft - 3354


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Darkstarmedia" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_c...> 
wrote:
> I am a big fan of the fram filter and have been using them on all 
my cars
> for years.  I have not had a single problem that was the fault of 
the
> filter. on the delorean I use a TG2870a and have had no problems 
or a single
> leak.  I change my filter and oil every 2500 to 3000 miles and it 
has
> performed flawlessly.  people have noted the differences between 
the two
> (the perflux has more paper element) and with proper maintaince 
the fram
> does just as well as any other.  I have not followed this thread 
really
> closely but I thought I'd chime in on this particular subject 
cause I am in
> the parts business.
> 
> With that said most of the major parts I buy for my delorean are 
from the
> various vendors because of the info they provide and a lot of the 
prices are
> within 5 to 10 percent of retail when not equal or cheaper.  saves 
me time
> sometime when I need it now.
> 
> Darkstar
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FREDRAVAS_at_dml_a... [mailto:FREDRAVAS_at_dml_a...]
> Sent: September 6, 2004 8:02 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)
> 
> 
> hi dave... what the difference between a four dollars fram filter 
and twelve
> dollars perflux filter just curious,
> 
> freddie  vin 6048
> 
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:17:01 -0500
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Headlight Switch Reproductions

I think it is great they are going to reproduce these switches, I only hope 
that they build them better so they don't melt like the old ones do.
John Hervey came up with a fix for this by using a heavy duty relay to 
bypass the switch.
So that when the switch is pressed, it activates the relay and turns the 
lights on.
Not a bad idea and they are cheap too.

Most of these problems that are caused by installing brighter halogen bulbs 
that pull too much
juice and burn up the switch and fuse box.

...all that said, thanks to DMCH for making them.
- VB


>From: Rod Dillman <rhdillman_at_dml_yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Headlight Switch Reproductions
>Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:43:47 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>After reading James' recent posting about DMC, Humble's plan to offer 
>owners a chance to pre-order headlight switches as well as a follow up 
>posting, I talked with Stephen Wynne at DMC. I have owned two Deloreans 
>over the past five years and have never needed a headlight switch for 
>either. My first DeLorean had around 80,000 miles showing on the broken 
>speedometer  when I traded it for a refurbished DeLorean from DMC then 
>located in Houston. While my refurbished car has been trouble free for the 
>3 years I have owned it, I still carry a spare fuel pump with me on trips 
>as well as spare belts, spare fuses, replacement lamps for the xenon 
>boosted headlights that I upgraded to and  small tools and screwdrivers. I 
>probably should also carry a spare water pump and if it were as compact as 
>the fuel pump I would have already bought it. I pre-ordered two Headlight 
>Switches today in hopes that the 250 goal will be achieved soon and DMC can 
>place the order with the manufacturer. To me $80 is
>  insignificant should you have a headlight switch failure on a dark night 
>away from home and, for me ,probably on a weekend. If I never need either 
>headlight switch, just the peace of mind of having one on a trip is worth 
>the price. Recently there was a headlight switch and a hazard switch on 
>ebay for a Buy It Now price of $125. I was tempted but I would rather have 
>a new reproduction switch for $40 than a 20 plus year  old NOS switch even 
>if the price were the same. I encourage any others who may feel the same as 
>I, to place orders soon so that production can begin and the new switches 
>delivered. Just for the record, I have no connection whatsoever with DMC, 
>Humble other than being a satisfied customer.
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:22:16 -0500
From: DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683_at_dml_wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)

http://delorean.com/technical.asp

Purflux on the left and Fram on the right.

Mark V
On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, at 07:57  PM, Soma576_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
>

> maybe someone on this list will buy the Fram filter, tear
> it open, and compare it to the Purflux.  that would be helpful.




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 02:27:57 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Keys

In many cases there is no sticker or it was removed long ago. The
other place is under the headliner on the driver's door in magic
marker. If you have a key the code can be read off it. Look in the
glove box. If you have any origional paperwork the # could be there too.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/7/04 5:22:00 PM Central Daylight Time, 
> johnnysher1_at_dml_c... writes:
> 
> 
> > Sometimes you can find the key code written under one of the
headliners.
> > 
> > Johnny
> > 5518
> > 
> 
> Even easier - 
> 
> some cars have a round sticker on the underside of the steering column 
> ignition switch shroud with the VIN number and key code written in
pen.  not sure on 
> the origin or story behind it but my car has it (VIN 11596) and the
owner of 
> VIN 6960 has it too - so it probably isn't just a KAPAC thing (which
is what 
> my car is, even though it's an '82).
> 
> who else has this little sticker?
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:38:42 EDT
From: ComposerZelgadis_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean Options

Not sure about all of those options, but I do seem to recall seeing a  
DeLorean with a shiny, new looking spoiler not that long ago.  It might've  been an 
old option with new paint, but you never  know.


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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 02:38:52 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)

The other thing that wasn't mentioned is that these filters are what
is known as "Full Flow". What this means is that ALL the oil from the
oil pump is filtered. On filters like this (all modern filters) there
is a bypass valve. If the filter gets too dirty the oil will still get
to the bearings, just not filtered. This is done to keep the filter
element from blowing through and to continue oil flow to the engine.
There are all kinds of different specifacations for this "Bypass
Pressure". Only by getting the filter that is recommended by the
manufacturer of the car can you be sure you are using the "correct"
filter. Cross-referenced filters may not be right. An individual owner
does not have the werewithal, time, and resources to qualify ALL of
the parts on his car. The Delorean venders do. If there was something
better for the car they would know it, and supply it. It is in their
collective interest to supply us, the customers, with the best parts
they can. The same cannot be said about the 17 year old behind the
counter at Autozone.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 



> No Prob, Jeremiah.  I have some connections in the industry and just
wanted 
> to relay what information i do have. for the record, i use and have
only used 
> the Purflux filter.  maybe someone on this list will buy the Fram
filter, tear 
> it open, and compare it to the Purflux.  that would be helpful.
> 
> Anyway, Fram consistently scores poorly on independant filter
quality tests 
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