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To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 2218
Date: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:28 AM

There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: PRV Oil Bypass Valve vs Filter Bypass Valve
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

2. Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)
From: "checksix3" <jetjock11_at_dml_hotmail.com>

3. Re: Headlight Switch Reproductions
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

4. Delorean in the One Game Noone Mentioned
From: "Robert O. Greenhaw" <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

5. Re: DeLorean Options
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>

6. RE: Headlight Switch Reproductions
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

7. Re: Headlight Switch Reproductions
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>

8. RE: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)
From: "Darkstarmedia" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_comcast.net>

9. non-Delorean carfax needed
From: "Hank" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

10. Hot battery pole
From: "anbrahaesl" <anders_at_dml_smartfilm.se>

11. Mode Switch Replacement???..............Advice Please
From: "Mike" <mike.bosworth_at_dml_btinternet.com>

12. Re: DeLorean Options - (Ground Effects)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. Re: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

14. Aluminum Cleaner
From: "media1524" <brentlun_at_dml_netrax.net>

15. RE: Hot battery pole
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

16. Re: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)
From: Enid/Jeremiah <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>

17. Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)
From: "bbbigray" <bbbigray_at_dml_insightbb.com>

18. Delorean video ?
From: "paul" <paul.morgan_at_dml_monifieth.co.uk>

19. Re: Delorean  video ?
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

20. Re: Mode Switch Replacement???..............Advice Please
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

21. Re: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)
From: Rod Dillman <rhdillman_at_dml_yahoo.com>

22. Removing the Dashboard
From: "dmcryder" <dmcryder_at_dml_yahoo.com>

23. Replacing the Door Strut
From: "dmcryder" <dmcryder_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 03:49:50 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: PRV Oil Bypass Valve vs Filter Bypass Valve

PRV has an oil bypass channel drilled into it (remove the filter
screen and you can pull the valve out with needle nose pliers).
According to Volvo factory literature:

"The cylinder block is also equipped with a by-pass valve. This valve
will open prior to the oil filter bypass valve."

You don't need a valve equipped oil filter.

My rule of thumb: if it's good enough for Volvo, it's good enough for
DeLorean (engines are essentially identical).

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> The other thing that wasn't mentioned is that these filters are what
> is known as "Full Flow". What this means is that ALL the oil from the
> oil pump is filtered. On filters like this (all modern filters) there
> is a bypass valve. If the filter gets too dirty the oil will still get
> to the bearings, just not filtered. This is done to keep the filter
> element from blowing through and to continue oil flow to the engine.
> There are all kinds of different specifacations for this "Bypass
> Pressure". Only by getting the filter that is recommended by the
> manufacturer of the car can you be sure you are using the "correct"
> filter. Cross-referenced filters may not be right. An individual owner
> does not have the werewithal, time, and resources to qualify ALL of
> the parts on his car. The Delorean venders do. If there was something
> better for the car they would know it, and supply it. It is in their
> collective interest to supply us, the customers, with the best parts
> they can. The same cannot be said about the 17 year old behind the
> counter at Autozone.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757 
> 





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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 03:04:02 -0000
From: "checksix3" <jetjock11_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> 
wrote:
> The other thing that wasn't mentioned is that these filters are what
> is known as "Full Flow". What this means is that ALL the oil from 
the oil pump is filtered. 


If you really want clean oil I have two words: bypass filter.




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 03:58:38 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Headlight Switch Reproductions

Actually the headlights are on relays. Only a few miliamps are passing
through the switch to activate them.

Problem is side & tail lights. Those are not on relays.

Also, the switch comes *BEFORE* Fuses #2 and #8 -- if it melts you
have an unprotected short (via the ground wire for the internal
illumination bulb). Almost lost my car that way.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> I think it is great they are going to reproduce these switches, I
only hope 
> that they build them better so they don't melt like the old ones do.
> John Hervey came up with a fix for this by using a heavy duty relay to 
> bypass the switch.
> So that when the switch is pressed, it activates the relay and turns
the 
> lights on.
> Not a bad idea and they are cheap too.
> 
> Most of these problems that are caused by installing brighter
halogen bulbs 
> that pull too much
> juice and burn up the switch and fuse box.
> 
> ...all that said, thanks to DMCH for making them.
> - VB
> 





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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:14:53 -0500
From: "Robert O. Greenhaw" <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Delorean in the One Game Noone Mentioned


( I let this through because it does have an interesting aspect regarding DMC Houston. Beyond this post consider this subject dead.  Moderator)


Hey Guys!

In case noone realized it, there's a DeLorean in R: Racing Evolution
available on the Box, 'Cube and PS2.  It's a secret car you unlock after
winning a special event tournament.  

What makes this D so coolis that it's licensed straight from DMC....take
a 
look in the games manual and you'll see Delorean Motor Company, TX 
in the credits.

Remember when DMC worked with Namco last year on a game they couldn't
reveal at the time, well "R" was it!  It can be found at EB for about
$10.

Later,
Rob

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:13:41 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Options

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "EJ Chambers" <marmieej_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> I have been reading some old issues of a DeLorean Mag that I have
> acquired and noticed some of the DeLorean accessories that used to
be
> offered. I was wondering if any of these options are still offered
by
> any of the DeLorean vendors. 
> 
> Such accessories would include rear spoiler, double wiper blades,
> switch cover that covers the 5 console switches, side skirts with
air
> scoops
> 
> Thanks in advance!!

I've seen the switch cover on someone else's car. It's supposed to
keep you from hitting the window switches with you arm, while resting
it on the center console. I gotta say that it looks pretty cheap. It's
just a textured piece of plastic, that's bent in an open "C" channel
shape. From what I could tell, it just sat over the switches.

A far better idea is to swap the defroster switch, and the driver's
side window switch. I've never triggered any of the switches again,
and I don't have to fiddle with removing a cover to get at them.

Dual blade wipers you can pick up at Wal Mart, or any other place. If
you get the chance to install a pair, I would highly reccomend it.
They're allot broader, and catch more wind, so they squeegie the glass
allot better. I have a set of the black ones on my car right now.

As for the ground effects, this question has come up in the past. And
I want to say that someone reccomended to contact PJ Grady, because
they might have had a set or two sitting arround.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:22:18 -0500
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Headlight Switch Reproductions

They will not be made with different material that will with stand the heat.
That would take a re design of the switch which would be to costly. That's
why if you purchase the switch it will also melt with out the Headlight Fix.
John Hervey



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From: Video Bob [mailto:videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:17 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] Headlight Switch Reproductions


I think it is great they are going to reproduce these switches, I only hope
that they build them better so they don't melt like the old ones do.
John Hervey came up with a fix for this by using a heavy duty relay to
bypass the switch.
So that when the switch is pressed, it activates the relay and turns the
lights on.
Not a bad idea and they are cheap too.

Most of these problems that are caused by installing brighter halogen bulbs
that pull too much
juice and burn up the switch and fuse box.

...all that said, thanks to DMCH for making them.
- VB


>From: Rod Dillman <rhdillman_at_dml_yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Headlight Switch Reproductions
>Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:43:47 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>After reading James' recent posting about DMC, Humble's plan to offer
>owners a chance to pre-order headlight switches as well as a follow up
>posting, I talked with Stephen Wynne at DMC. I have owned two Deloreans
>over the past five years and have never needed a headlight switch for
>either. My first DeLorean had around 80,000 miles showing on the broken
>speedometer  when I traded it for a refurbished DeLorean from DMC then
>located in Houston. While my refurbished car has been trouble free for the
>3 years I have owned it, I still carry a spare fuel pump with me on trips
>as well as spare belts, spare fuses, replacement lamps for the xenon
>boosted headlights that I upgraded to and  small tools and screwdrivers. I
>probably should also carry a spare water pump and if it were as compact as
>the fuel pump I would have already bought it. I pre-ordered two Headlight
>Switches today in hopes that the 250 goal will be achieved soon and DMC can
>place the order with the manufacturer. To me $80 is
>  insignificant should you have a headlight switch failure on a dark night
>away from home and, for me ,probably on a weekend. If I never need either
>headlight switch, just the peace of mind of having one on a trip is worth
>the price. Recently there was a headlight switch and a hazard switch on
>ebay for a Buy It Now price of $125. I was tempted but I would rather have
>a new reproduction switch for $40 than a 20 plus year  old NOS switch even
>if the price were the same. I encourage any others who may feel the same as
>I, to place orders soon so that production can begin and the new switches
>delivered. Just for the record, I have no connection whatsoever with DMC,
>Humble other than being a satisfied customer.
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:40:27 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Headlight Switch Reproductions

Melting of the headlight switch isn't caused by installing more
powerful headlights. Infact, the headlights are already on their own
relays, for both low, and high beams. The problem has to do with the
clearance lights. 10 seperate clearance & marker lights are powered
thru that switch alone. Probably even more for those of us whom have
modified our dash lights, as we removed a relay.

The problem lies within the switch itself. It's only meant to carry
the bare minimun load. Increase that load by way of resistance with
dirty connections, and it's only a matter of time before the switch
melts.

I run 65W halogens, with 55W high beams, and have never had a problem
with the fuse box, or relays. My switch was destroyed when a side
marker light corroded, and the rust formed a bridge that bypassed the
bulb, and grounded the wire directly. The lense cracked, and let water
in, and the plastic conduit wouldn't let the water drain out.

It's good that Houston is working to recreate the headlight switches.
But it would have been even better to know about this happening. I
never even knew that any sort of plans were in the works. Was this in
a newsletter of some sort?

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> I think it is great they are going to reproduce these switches, I
only hope 
> that they build them better so they don't melt like the old ones do.
> John Hervey came up with a fix for this by using a heavy duty relay
to 
> bypass the switch.
> So that when the switch is pressed, it activates the relay and turns
the 
> lights on.
> Not a bad idea and they are cheap too.
> 
> Most of these problems that are caused by installing brighter
halogen bulbs 
> that pull too much
> juice and burn up the switch and fuse box.
> 
> ...all that said, thanks to DMCH for making them.
> - VB




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:10:00 -0700
From: "Darkstarmedia" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)

Interesting, when I did some research the 2870a is used on the B28F engine
in another application (I forget which, I'll try to find out). I also have
some documents from Volvo on the B28F where both the fram, bosch, and
perflux numbers are listed if I remember correctly(I'll dig those out too if
I can).

Darkstar

-----Original Message-----
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Soma576_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: September 7, 2004 10:47 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)


In a message dated 9/7/04 8:35:31 AM Central Daylight Time, Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
writes:


> The difference is Fram does not make a filter that is exactly for the
> DeLorean application due to the side-mount design.  I work in the industry
> and talked
> to a FRAM application technician and this is FACT.  if the filter were
> mounted upside down (hanging down) it would be ok. the main difference is
in
> the
> anti-drain back valve design (or lack of).
>
> Andy

As an update to my above post, today I called the specialist again and he
told me that the PH7328 Fram filter is the closest match they have.  it DOES
have
an anti drainback valve.  The information is contrary to what i posted
earlier today.  This filter MAY work but then again, there may be gasket or
clearance problems.  the flow rate or other internal valves could differ
from the
Purflux application.  besides - i find it hard to believe that anyone could
need
an oil filter RIGHT NOW rather than wait 3 days for the perfect one, at a
slightly higher cost.

Darkstar - the 2870A filter is NOT an approved filter for the DeLorean,
coming from this Fram representative.  i didn't ask why not but he said he
would
not recommend it even though it fits. if you would like more information i
can
call him back.  i do know that that filter is used on a wide variety of VW
and
Audi vehicles dating back to maybe three decades and is still in use today.

Andy


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:09:05 -0400
From: "Hank" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: non-Delorean carfax needed


If anyone has an active carfax account, could you please run this VIN:  WBSDE934XYBZ96065

Please respond off-list to henry(at)ix.netcom.com .

Thanks!

-Hank #1619



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 07:39:17 -0000
From: "anbrahaesl" <anders_at_dml_smartfilm.se>
Subject: Hot battery pole

Hi,

I noticed, a couple of weeks ago, when turning my battery switch off (monted on the 
battery's negative pole) that the pole was very hot.  What could be the cause of this? I 
hadn't driven the car hard, just normal driving and it was a normal summer day not 
too hot or anything.

Anders




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 09:01:36 -0000
From: "Mike" <mike.bosworth_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Mode Switch Replacement???..............Advice Please

Hi All

Next job on my car is to find out why the heating and ac doesnt
change to differnent vent positions....the heater fan is running fine
and blows cold on all speeds but i know i think i am losing vaccumm 
on the main heater air intake as when the system it is running after 
a while the flap closes causing a loud squeel :)...i can hear also 
hear no 'swoosh' noise when i change the mode switch to each position

Any advice before i 'waste' my cash on a new mode switch only to find
some other problem is causing it ??

Thanks All

Mike
#2001
doc403




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 06:29:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Options - (Ground Effects)

Both Grady and DMCH offer the side ground effects (I know Grady has front & back
as well). They both have air scoops in the sides towards the rear and also
"DELOREAN" recessed in the middle. 
Just like Ron's car... without the carbon fiber inserts: 
( http://www.deloreancarshow.com/dcs-2004/2004-wed/IMG_3300.JPG )

Not sure but I believe they come from the same company: Custom Fiberglass, New
Haven CT (203) 776-1341. They made an older style of side skirts with no-scoop
and no-recessed "DELOREAN" like Dave Colley's car:
http://www.entermyworld.com/custom/custclv2kj1x1.jpg
and now mine (Thanks Kayo!).

Both Dave Straghand and James LaLonde have side skirts with the air scoop but no
"DELOREAN" on their cars. I've asked where they got them but both do not know the
original source. What mag and vendor does your ad say they came  from? Could
bring some closure to them & their cars.

Shannon Y
16506
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 00:36:01 -0000
From: "EJ Chambers" <marmieej_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DeLorean Options

I have been reading some old issues of a DeLorean Mag that I have
acquired and noticed some of the DeLorean accessories that used to be
offered. I was wondering if any of these options are still offered by
any of the DeLorean vendors. 

Such accessories would include rear spoiler, double wiper blades,
switch cover that covers the 5 console switches, side skirts with air
scoops

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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 09:48:54 -0400
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)

>>>>>>>>>>
The Delorean venders do. If there was something
better for the car they would know it, and supply it. It is in their
collective interest to supply us, the customers, with the best parts
they can. The same cannot be said about the 17 year old behind the
counter at Autozone.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 
>>>>>>>>>>

My thoughts exactly. if that Fram filter were as good as the Purflux, they would be selling it.  My cost of goods on a PH7328 Fram filter is less than $1.40 a pop (where i work).  I wonder how much the vendors pay for a Purflux?  Seeing as the Purflux filter from PJ Grady costs the consumer $12.73, i'm sure Rob would rather sell the Fram filter at a lower COGS and give us some of the savings....... IF that filter were good enough.  since not a single vendor sells it, that should tell you something. it is either inferior or just plain isn't right.

Andy



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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:23:53 -0000
From: "media1524" <brentlun_at_dml_netrax.net>
Subject: Aluminum Cleaner

Hello list,

Does anyone have any suggestions for a product to clean & brighten 
the aluminum engine block and heads?

Thanks,
Brent
VIN 17006






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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:56:29 -0500
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Hot battery pole

Anders, Take the connection off and clean it and put it back on. Over time
the connection builds up corrosive layer and the current demand has to go
thru a smaller good surface to get what you want. At that point it will get
hot.
John Hervey
www.specialtauto.com

P.S. The fuses will do the same thing. Plug and un plug them a few times to
re establish the connection. Even apply some electrical grease to slow down
the process.



-----Original Message-----
From: anbrahaesl [mailto:anders_at_dml_smartfilm.se]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:39 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Hot battery pole



Hi,

I noticed, a couple of weeks ago, when turning my battery switch off (monted
on the
battery's negative pole) that the pole was very hot.  What could be the
cause of this? I
hadn't driven the car hard, just normal driving and it was a normal summer
day not
too hot or anything.

Anders




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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:33:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Enid/Jeremiah <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)

I couldn't agree with you more, Andy.  In fact, it's
about time for an oil change (haven't changed it since
a week before Pigeon Forge).  Let me see if I have any
Fram filters lying around =P.  Wouldn't want to use
anything but the best ;).

> for me, if there is
> ANY question at all, I would 
> run as far away as possible when it comes to
> something like an engine oil 
> filter - something that can make the difference
> between an engine that is running 
> properly and an engine with blown main bearings. 
> 
> Andy
> 
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:33:36 -0000
From: "bbbigray" <bbbigray_at_dml_insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)

Hi List!

This has been an interesting thread, and I'm pleased the moderators 
have been so patient with it.  In a world where the full-service 
local retailer is being destroyed by WalMart-ism, I gotta weigh in.

Tough issue--to outsource or support the DMC vendor community?  On 
the one hand, this vendor community is fabulously vibrant and 
innovative, even if somewhat "expensive."  On the other hand, when 
you own an exotic, you're on your own to the extent that vendors come 
and go, some really are on the take, and service centers are rarely 
down the block.  Besides, with a little legwork you can save a buck 
or two at the cash register.  Which way do you turn, discounters or 
full-service vendors?

At this point I must confess that, since I live out in the boonies, 
I've done considerable research into the outsourcing issue, have 
bought lots of aftermarket parts with good results, and have a small 
library of service manuals to boot.  (Mitchell's Bosch K-Jetronic Svc 
Manual, for example.  Great procedure for ID'ing busted pulse coils.  
This car's been a daily driver since '83.)  So before I stump for the 
vendor community, color me guilty.  

That said, IMHO, supporting a good full-service vendor is an 
investment that pays and pays.  If you take a "global" view of the 
life-cycle costs of your car, they save you a ton of money and return 
to you tremendous value.  (Are you listening, Wal-Mart shoppers?)  

For starters, your time has to be worth something-- good vendors save 
you research time, sourcing time, and most important, primrose path 
time.  Unless you absolutely adore prying oil filters open on 
Saturday afternoon, start with a dollar amount for that.

Then you get into direct cost, the one most people think of.  You 
don't buy the wrong part three times before you get the right one, 
and you replace one that isn't broken a lot less often.  Also, the 
vendors generally know which of the many candidate parts is the best 
choice, so you maximize the productivity of the part.  Finally, cars 
being fun to work on, good parts make 'em all the more fun.  Tack 
those costs/values onto the list.

Now it gets a bit more nebulous.  When I first had 10693 in the early 
80's, most of these pups were parked, abused, neglected, and serviced 
by an awful lot of less-than-qualified people.  Most of them ran like 
trash.  

Fast forward to today, with a huge and growing vendor and support 
community, and we have two new things.  More and more of these cars 
are being driven and taken care of.  More happy drivers, more demand, 
more resale value.  

Second, because of the vendor and support communities, including this 
list, these cars have become eminently ownable--easier to work on, 
easier to get parts for, they're far more reliable, and they perform 
better.  The Dream becomes accessible to more people.  So tack the 
enhanced resale values into the equation, and add a pinch for the 
social bennies of letting more people come to the party.  (DMCH and 
DeLorean One prices were considered unthinkable a few years ago.  
Stay tuned.)

Rewind to yesterday-- without this prolific vendor group, a lot of 
people would be back to owning stainless steel workbenches, and a lot 
more would be on the outside looking in, just like the 80s.

Finally, the toughest money factor to pin down--productivity.  A 
hypothesis:  You want a driver and you can buy one of two cars, one 
showroom stock, the other upgraded and custom-tailored to do exactly 
what you want it to do, same money.  Which one has more value to you, 
and how much?  How many vacation days will you waste on an OEM fuel 
pump, how many good Stones CDs won't you listen to because you don't 
like the stereo?  How many road trips will you decide not to take 
because you don't have cruise control or a stainless clutch line?  

In short, how much bang for the buck do you get out of your car?  
It's purely a judgement call, but include a line item for that in 
your outsource/vendor analysis.

(Incidentally, for you showroom types, try maintaining a concours 
without an affordable warehouse full of showroom parts.  In additon, 
the more drivers/mods that are out there, the fewer OEMs exist, and 
your collectible D gets rarer and rarer.)

So is the bottom line really worth saving five bucks plus postage for 
an oil filter?  Do you truly have the time to reverse-engineer your 
car, your computer, your vintage tube-powered guitar amp, your boat, 
all the cool gizmos built into your house, and the burgeoning 
population of all your other time-consuming hobbies, not to mention 
all that indispensable stuff crying out for you on E-Bay?  Would life 
truly be better with Rolled-Back prices and no specialized vendors?  

Personally I cover my six and keep my eyes out for new sources, and I 
love knowing how all my gadgets work so I can creatively misuse them, 
but I faithfully go the vendor route.  I spend less money and realize 
more value overall, and most crucially in the grand scheme of the 
meaning of life, I maximize my time and money for the greatest number 
of toys.  (People fit in there too, somewhere.)

You can't get that at WalMart.  

And what, by the way, is the value of a forum where you can post a 
question about an oil filter, unravel the mysteries of modern 
Galbraithian market economics, and discover the true meaning of life?

--Ray
10693 and Counting.



-- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> The Delorean venders do. If there was something
> better for the car they would know it, and supply it. It is in their
> collective interest to supply us, the customers, with the best parts
> they can. The same cannot be said about the 17 year old behind the
> counter at Autozone.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> 
> My thoughts exactly. if that Fram filter were as good as the 
Purflux, they would be selling it.  My cost of goods on a PH7328 Fram 
filter is less than $1.40 a pop (where i work).  I wonder how much 
the vendors pay for a Purflux?  Seeing as the Purflux filter from PJ 
Grady costs the consumer $12.73, i'm sure Rob would rather sell the 
Fram filter at a lower COGS and give us some of the savings....... IF 
that filter were good enough.  since not a single vendor sells it, 
that should tell you something. it is either inferior or just plain 
isn't right.
> 
> Andy




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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 21:15:42 +0100
From: "paul" <paul.morgan_at_dml_monifieth.co.uk>
Subject: Delorean video ?

Delorean videos _at_dml_ 
http://www.brilliantscreen.com/delorean.asp

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UK lottery win please! So I can join this group s an owner!




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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 17:31:49 -0400
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Delorean  video ?

Delorean videos _at_dml_ 
http://www.brilliantscreen.com/delorean.asp

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UK lottery win please! So I can join this group s an owner!
_

_
Maybe you can win one at the next DCS in Chicago.  Better odds than the lottery.


Ken



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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 17:33:36 -0400
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Mode Switch Replacement???..............Advice Please

take the switch apart and clean and lube it 
If the diaphram is broken replace it 
The diaphrams are avail at either PJ Grady or DMC Houston

Ken



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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:34:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rod Dillman <rhdillman_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Ignition issue- RESOLVED (long)

Ray- Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I agree with your well stated position.

>bbbigray <bbbigray_at_dml_insightbb.com> wrote:Hi List!

>This has been an interesting thread, and I'm pleased the moderators 
>have been so patient with it. In a world where the full-service 
>local retailer is being destroyed by WalMart-ism, I gotta weigh in........
>
>
>
>--Ray
>10693 and Counting.







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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:10:35 -0000
From: "dmcryder" <dmcryder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Removing the Dashboard

Is this difficult? Any suggestions? Thanks.




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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:12:23 -0000
From: "dmcryder" <dmcryder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Replacing the Door Strut

How difficult is this? looks fairly simple, but no luck yet. Thanks.




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