From: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 2235
Date: Sunday, September 19, 2004 4:00 AM

There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: 4 speed automatic DeLorean
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

2. Re: 4 speed automatic DeLorean (or even 3?)
From: "John Rydholm" <ebondefender_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. Re: For sale owners, "Beware"
From: "fembden" <fembden_at_dml_tco.com>

4. Re: For sale owners, "Beware"
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

5. Re: Start, Die, No Start
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

6. Re: Cracked Engine Bosses
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

7. Re: Gullwing Magazine!
From: "Joe OBrien" <joeyoseppijoe_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. New Center Consol Switch Decals
From: "jamesrguk" <James_rg_at_dml_hotmail.com>

9. Re: Automatic trans leaks
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

10. Kicking Josh while he is down??
From: "turbodmc3113" <turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. Re: Headlight alignment
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

12. Hurricane Ivan
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>

13. DeLorean turns over, but won't start?
From: Joe Angell <jangell_at_dml_tmproductions.com>

14. Ivan
From: "andy" <andydandy777_at_dml_aol.com>

15. Fuel System Problems
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>

16. 5th Annual DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour Itinerary
From: "turbodmc3113" <turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com>

17. RE: Fuel System Problems
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

18. RE: Re: Start, Die, No Start
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

19. Re: Alternate Car Seats ???
From: ttanaka504_at_dml_aol.com

20. Glue/cement for window trim
From: "Tom Watkins" <dmctom_at_dml_earthlink.net>

21. Re: Fuel System Problems
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:44:42 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: 4 speed automatic DeLorean

Louie,

Both the hydraulic and electronic are compatible.  It just that the 
hydraulic is so hard to find.

BOB




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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 17:04:40 -0000
From: "John Rydholm" <ebondefender_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 4 speed automatic DeLorean (or even 3?)

Hi all,
In regards to my earlier post on the 4-speed auto DMC-12, I am also 
seriously interested in finding out exactly what Porsche trans to 
use and how to make the custom bellhousing or where I can get one 
made. If any of you could give me some info and/or links I would 
greatly appreciate it! My DMC's trans is prone to stall and the 
clutch rattles. My cousin's a local NAPA manager and is prone to 
sudden bursts of genius/insanity in rebuilding car parts (that's his 
thing lol!) so he can probably help me do the labor for much less 
than a professional job. I'd really appreciate the help finding the 
parts though! :)
--John

"I need fuel!" -Dr. Brown, BTTF II




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:04:23 -0000
From: "fembden" <fembden_at_dml_tco.com>
Subject: Re: For sale owners, "Beware"

At the moment he is going by Mike Adams (both of them).
Rocky Mountain Credit Union is aware of the scam, apparently it has
been going on for over a year now.  
According to the Credit Union, it's not enough money for the
goverment/police to go after.  



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> What was this guys name?
> We should note it in case he tries it to someone else!
> 
> What did you do about it?
> Did you call the police?
> 
> - VB





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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:40:27 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: For sale owners, "Beware"

It does not matter what this guy's name is. This is becoming more and
more common. It is easy to forge what could pass for a bank check
nowadays with a personal computer and a laser printer. You CANNOT
accept a bank check, certified check, or cashier's check without
verifacation. Become suspicious when it is for more than the actual
transaction. DO NOT ACCEPT ANYTHING BUT CASH ON A WEEKEND!!!!! They
will try to force you to make the sale quick on a weekend when you
cannot call anyone to verify the funds. The police are no help, they
have their hands full with violent crimes, this is just an annoyance
to them. Insist on ONLY the EXACT amount and it MUST have YOUR NAME on
it. Just for insurance get their driver's license and car license
plate (a picture of them would be nice) just in case you do have to
call the police. The worst part of this is that your bank will give
you the cash on a forged bank check but when they find out it is bad
they are going to deduct it from YOUR account. Now you are out the car
AND the money. By the time you catch up to them they will have resold
the car again. If you can prove it was an illegal sale you may be able
to get the DMV to give you your car back but it will be a monumental
hassle.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> What was this guys name?
> We should note it in case he tries it to someone else!
> 
> What did you do about it?
> D




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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:27:27 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Start, Die, No Start

Check to see if you can hear the fuel pump run. It should at least
pulse when you turn the key. If you don't hear it check the inertia
switch and the RPM relay. You may have to jumper one of them out to
get the pump running. You can also try a SMALL squirt of ether. If it
starts and runs at all then you know for sure it's a fuel problem. If
that won't get it going at all then check for spark. If you don't have
spark check the connections on the ballast resistors, or it may be a
pick-up coil or ignition coil. These are the most likely suspects. Of
course it can be something stupid like a broken wire or a connector
that came loose. Is the fuel level really low? Maybe you are out of
gas or have a bad suction hose.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> NM, I think it loaded up with fuel and died. Then I would have
unplug the
> cold start valve to try to restart it because it would shoot more
fuel ea
> time you tried to start it again. You also may have to remove the
plugs as
> they could be gas fooled now.
> John Hervey
> www.specialtauto.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ctdmc83 [mailto:nmastrocinque_at_dml_s...]
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:13 PM





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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:45:26 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Cracked Engine Bosses

You also have to inspect the motor mounts. On 7138 the left motor
mount is cracked. A broken mount can affect shifting and cause
problems with the exhaust system.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Volvo doesn't use those cast bosses -- motor mounts bolt to the lower
> casing traditionally. 
> 
> http://i12.ebayimg.com/03/i/02/78/28/ce_1.JPG
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> 

> > antiseize on them to  last a lifetime (I hope).  
> > 
> > Matt
> > #1604
> >




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 04:03:11 -0000
From: "Joe OBrien" <joeyoseppijoe_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Gullwing Magazine!

Ron, 

Will you be bringing copies of Gullwing magazine to sell in 
Evansville again this year?

Joe OBrien

2524 & 16634



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "gullwingmagazine" 
<gullwingmagazine_at_dml_j...> wrote:
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Robert Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_h...> 
> wrote:
> > I almost wet myself when I checked the mail and found a new 
issue of
> > GULLWING Magazine waiting for me!
> 
> RE:  GULLWING Magazine...
> 
> It's here!  The summer issue is available now!
> 
> Yes, it is quite a challenge to put together each GULLWING 
Magazine 
> issue, and it's very time consuming - but we know you'll 
appreciate 
> it when you see the quality of our efforts.  The greatest 
challenge 
> of this issue was trying to keep the size to fit our normal number 
of 
> pages.  It was impossible, as the coverage of the biggest DeLorean 
> car show ever takes 14 pages by itself just to try to thoroughly 
> cover the highlights that are deserving of this recognition.  
(That's 
> five pages of Pigeon Forge and five pages of after Pigeon Forge 
with 
> the DeLorean Touring Society by Andrew Prentis and Cheryl Wester, 
one 
> page of the Promoter's overview by Ken Koncelik, and three pages 
of 
> the towing adventure of a lifetime by Rich Weissensel.)  The 
overall 
> result is an 8-17% larger issue than usual.
> 
> To share a little more of the awesome after Pigeon Forge 
experience 
> with the DTS which took us on travels to many visitor spots like:
> 	*Through the Great Smoky Mountains National Park in TN to NC.
> 	*Wheels Through Time--The Museum That Runs in Maggie Valley, 
> NC.
> 	*Cold Mountain
> 	*America's largest home--The Biltmore Estate in Asheville, 
NC 
> including the winery and Deerpark Restaurant (see unique photos of 
> the Ds IN FRONT of the Mansion... yes, they let us drive right up 
to 
> the front for our photo shoot!)
> 	*BMW factory and Zentrum Museum in Spartanburg, SC.
> 	*A drive through Clemson University in Clemson, SC (where 
> Gary Swingle goes to college) and to visit the warehouse where 
Gary 
> and friends are building a Clemson University race car.
> 	*A cookout at Elaine Swingle's home near Clemson, SC (Dave's 
> mom.)
> 	*Driving tour through part of GA, Chattanooga, Nashville, 
and 
> Clarksville, TN, through part of KY, IL, and MO!
> 
> •Our feature/cover car is Jeff Angwin's beautiful DeLorean with 
the 
> maroon color powder-coated frame and various upgrades and 
> improvements.  Jeff's "D story" is a very detailed article of 
> his "Dolores" ownership which includes bringing it/her up to his 
> dream-standard with "spa" visits to the incredible Garden Grove 
shop 
> of DeLorean Motor Center in CA.
> 
> •The California Autofest which was cosponsored by DeLorean Motor 
> Company at the end of August was quite an experience and the 
photos 
> capture all of the excitement.  Thanks to Stephen Wynne for 
promoting 
> this event and providing the DeLoreans and D owners our secured 
spot 
> at the speedway.  Bravo!
> 
> •See how to build a front aerodynamic air splitter; learn what it 
is, 
> why to use it, and more about The Bernoulli Effect.
> 
> •Read an entertaining story of quirky coincidences that happened 
to 
> Darryl Tinnerstet (formerly Specialty Automotive) entitled "The 
Trip".
> 
> •We have the Part One story of "Crash & Burn" by Rich Weissensel 
and 
> Dave Swingle where two Ds come together as one due to the recent 
> exposure of the DeLorean car and DeLorean community on the Monster 
> Garage episodes.
> 
> •Fixing that front end crunch: amazing fiberglass work and welding 
> from expert specialists by the always entertaining and humorous 
> Robert Moseley.
> 
> •See the exciting new products from DeLorean Parts Northwest, 
goodies 
> from DMCH, SpecialTAuto, Pearce Design Components, as well as ads 
> from the usual major vendors and suppliers.
> 
> •We have "what's new" products with BTTF.com's radical new-look 
style 
> to coordinate with the site update scheduled to launch this fall 
to 
> promote the upcoming 20th Anniversary of the "BTTF" series.
> 
> •Also, new stuff from DFWDMC.com (Dallas Fort Worth DeLorean Motor 
> Club).
> 
> •Check out the latest Classifieds, Club info, etc.
> 
> •All of this, and more, packed into one issue with very 
little "blank 
> canvas" space!
> 
> If you are a current subscriber--watch your mailbox, they will all 
be 
> shipped shortly.  We appreciate your support.
> 
> If you forgot to renew your subscription--you don't want to miss 
this 
> issue!  Renew today to keep this exciting publication coming your 
way 
> without interruption for another exciting year!
> 
> If you'd like to subscribe--go to www.gullwingmagazine.com to 
start 
> receiving more of what you want... more of what you are looking 
for, 
> from all of the best sources in each high-quality full color issue!
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Ron and Cheryl Wester
> GULLWING Magazine




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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:33:57 -0000
From: "jamesrguk" <James_rg_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: New Center Consol Switch Decals

Hi all,

Mainly for any UK owners on this list....

I have recently had a number of transfer/stickers made for the
window/rear de-mister switches in the DeLorean.

The purists will notice the difference in shape/size of the arrows
but for £2.50 including P&P for all required stickers, I am sure
that they will look 1000 times better than a worn blank switch!

Take a look at www.dmc12.co.uk/decal.htm

This is not a profit maker for me, epecially not at £2.50! but if it
helps those with worn, or no decals on their switches, then that's
great.

Regards


James RG
England UK





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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:35:02 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Automatic trans leaks

I'd bet it's the shift cable. The internal seal design is awful. As 
soon as you stop the engine the fluid drains down into the trans and 
out the cable. The cable design should have been on an angle with 
the cable going up some. I think because of the seal design, if you 
keep a full trans, the leak cannot be prevented. The cover for the 
cable shrinks and exposes the porous cable housing. If you can stop 
the leak at the front of the cable nearest the trans, the fluid 
travels through the cable and comes out at the other end. I keep 
screwing around with it but I can't seem to stop it. I have toyed 
around with trying to modify the shift cable some - so far Grady's 
fix or something similar seems the most practical but I cannot stop 
the leak. BTW, I did pull the trans and put in a NOS cable with the 
heat shrink fix. It was fine for about a year. Now it is the same as 
it always was.

Harold McElraft - 3354

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> I've been chasing a leak on an automatic (not mine) for some time 
now 
> and am about to rip the thing out of the car and see how far I can 
> throw it. This is more than the normal dripping that they all do, 
> it's a 6-0inch puddle after driving it. So far I've:
> --replaced the dipstick o-rings and sealed them (not leaking there 
> now);
> --replaced the o-rings on the multi-switch and the solenoid plug, 
and 
> sealed them with RTV as recommended by Rob G (does not appear to 
be 
> leaking there now);
> --replaced the pan gasket several times using a couple of 
different 
> gasket sealers including anerobic and spray-on. Not RTV, though.. 
> 
> It honestly seems to be leaking at the back (toward the engine)of 
the 
> pan, i.e. right about where the wire is held that goes across 
there. 
> I'm about to to go at it again, this time I'm planning on trying 
> Permatex "The Right Stuff" without any gasket at all. Has anyone 
> tried this? Did it work? What else HAS worked? 
> 
> Dave S




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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:40:48 -0000
From: "turbodmc3113" <turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Kicking Josh while he is down??

Josh, you should come to the Fall Tour, I picked a place that not 
only looks like John DeLoreans former mansion but the parking lot is 
a safe distance from the rooms (just kidding).

I would like to invite every one to the Fall Tour October 16th & 17th!

For more info go to the DeLorean Mid Atlantic web page
http://www.deloreanmidatlantic.com/events/falltour5.htm  

For more pictures of the area go to 
http://www.falltour.itgo.com/photo.html 

Or e-mail me at Falltour5_at_dml_hotmail.com for more information or 
questions you ma have.

Regards,

Michael DeLuca


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_f...> wrote:
> Nice try...but I didn't slide sideways into the hotel room!  My 
> rubstrips, and everything else on the car are in great condition 
except 
> for a small tear in the front fascia and a few small dings in the 
RH 
> front fender where the glass fell on it.
> 
> Anybody else feel the need to kick me while I'm down?  Get it out 
now.
> 
> -Josh
> 
> >>
> >>2524 & 16634
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >Didn't somebody try to park their DeLorean INSIDE the hotel room at
> >PF?  Just ask him how he cleaned the rubstrips.  Ooops, sorry 
couldn't
> >resist! ;-0  Jusk joking of course.
> >
> >Richard
> >5853
> >
> >





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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:04:50 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Headlight alignment


Try this - I sort of "tweak" the adjustment to suit me.

http://tinyurl.com/56z4j

I have spent 100's of dollars trying to get more light on the ground 
and keep the "stock" look of the D without damaging the fascia with 
heat from bigger bulbs, etc. What a waste of money. The best I have 
found is a Hella H1 system with the standard Halogen bulbs (I know, 
not exactly stock). Of course I could spring for the new Sylvania 
HID's which may look as close to stock as any but then I would 
have "given in" on my quest. Hey, if I was a practical guy I would 
probably not be a DeLorean owner.

Harold McElraft - 3354


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Is it possible to align your own headlights to a reasonable degree 
or 
> is this some critical function that only a "DMC ordained high-
priest" 
> can do?
> 
> Assuming I must take it to a shop, who normally does this, and 
what 
> does it cost?
> 
> I realize that the DMC-12's headlights are outdated and don't 
provide 
> the same illumination that modern cars do, but I'm pretty sure my 
low-
> beams are pointing too far down, to the right and I've got one 
high-
> beam especially pointing down.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Rich A.
> #5335




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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:29:13 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>
Subject: Hurricane Ivan

The Mueller's made it through Ivan with minimal damage.
 
We have power and cable back so Life is Good.
 
Thank you to all of our DeLorean friends who called and offered assistance
and prayers for my family.
 
I'm looking forward to seeing you all in the future.
 
Preparing for the Hurricane made me straighten up my garage, so there was an
upside to all of this.
 
Scott Mueller 002981


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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:40:47 -0400
From: Joe Angell <jangell_at_dml_tmproductions.com>
Subject: DeLorean turns over, but won't start?


I'm having some trouble with my DeLorean.

Earlier this week I replaced the fuel regulator (fixing problems 
keeping the car running while it was cold) and the fuel sender (fixing 
my fuel low light).  I've driven the car about 60 miles since those 
changes.


Yesterday, without starting the car first, I made a few small 
electrical modifications, specifically:

- Wired the headlights so they'd only come one when the the car is 
actually on by inserting a relay between the headlight switch and the 
accessory relay.  Now I don't have to worry about forgetting to turn 
off my lights.

- Hooked up a power inverter to an accessory-switched relay; the power 
comes directly from the battery.

After making these modifications, I tried to start the car.  The 
starter works, and the engine turns over, but it doesn't catch.  Early 
on, it would sometimes catch, but then stall out after a few seconds, 
never quite getting up to a good idle.  I haven't been able to get to 
that point again; it refuses to catch at all now.

I removed the headlight relay and the the power inverter relay and 
disconnected the wires, which should have restored the car to roughly 
it's original state, but it still refuses to start.


Does anyone have any idea what might be going on?  I eventually drained 
the battery trying to start it yesterday, but I'm back at it today with 
a fresh charge.  I tried replacing the Main Fuel relay on that off 
chance that it was the culprit, but no go.

Since I've driven 60 miles with the new fuel regulator and fuel sender, 
I don't think either of those are the problem, but I thought I'd 
mention them just in case.  The electrical modifications I was making 
were fairly benign, and it doesn't seem that they would have have 
affected the engine or it's related systems.  Unfortunately, I didn't 
think to start the car before making those changes, so I'm not really 
sure.

Thanks in advance for any assistance!

-- Joe




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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:48:34 -0000
From: "andy" <andydandy777_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Ivan

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: Hopefully all the affected DMLers weathered Ivan OK. Future posts on this topic lacking DeLorean-specific content will be dumped.]

There is never a good time to have your Delorean in a
repair shop. This is where #3513 was when Ivan dumped buckets of rain 
on Birmingham, Al. I hope all of our guys on the coast line came thru 
this in fine shape as for the central part of Al. we had lots of 
rain, some high winds but really very little damage. I was lucky 
never lost power, did lose cable tv but hey thats a minor thing. Good 
timing on my part to have my clutch fixed. All in well in the sunny 
south once more.




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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:59:33 -0400
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>
Subject: Fuel System Problems

I have what is symptoms of a hot start issue, however, the following has 
been done.

Replaced the fuel pump, fuel accumulator, and o-rings in the fuel 
distributor (connector on the front/right side). With the car running, 
fuel pressure is 4.5 bar with the fuel pressure valve open. With the 
valve closed, it would cycle between 5.8 bar and 6.2 bar as the 
frequency valve cycled (reading pressure coming off the fuel 
distributor). Rest pressure is 3bar with no drop over 30 minutes.

Fuel return with just the pump running (engine off) is about 1/2 quart 
every 30 seconds (manual shows it should be 1.8 liters every 30 seconds) 
at both the fuel pump return and at the accumulator connection (fuel 
pump return line blocked off). The adjustment for the o-rings in the 
fuel distributor was not changed when the o-rings were replaced. Tried 
cooling down the warm up regulator to see if the engine would start with 
no success.

Where is the restriction likely to be and is it the cause of the hot 
start problem? After the car warms up (radiator fans running), it takes 
at minimum 2 hours to start again (and even then it barely wants to 
start running).

Samuel



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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:59:05 -0000
From: "turbodmc3113" <turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: 5th Annual DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour Itinerary

October 16th & 17th 2004

The Long Island Gold Coast Tour, live the dream!


Saturday                                                 
11:15am to 1:00pm

The first meeting point is at the Sands Point Preserve and Museum.
Parking fee is $2.00 (but may be waived?) admission to The Atoms 
Family exhibit is $4.00 (optional).
Sands Point Preserve 95 Middleneck Road, Sands Point, New York 11050  
(516) 571-7900
http://www.sandspointpreserve.org  

1:00pm
We line up for the caravan
Have your two-way FM radios on the DMC 12 channel 

1:30pm to 2:45pm
Arrive at Nassau County Art Museum Roslyn Harbor
145 Acres of Art, Gardens & Sculpture
One Museum Drive, Roslyn Harbor, NY 11576
Parking is free, Café Musee offers lunch and beverages but does
not accept credit cards!
CURRENT EXHIBITION: The W.P.A. Era: Art Across America admission is 
$6.00 optional.
http://www.nassaumuseum.com 

2:45pm
Caravan to Hotel
Scenic drive with another stop pending??????

Arrive at hotel (approximately) 3:30pm
Note official check in time is 4:00 , explore the hotel grounds and 
facilities if you cant check in.
                   
                                                                  
5:30-6:45 pm
Dinner at Marra's (Glen Cove)
Family style Italian Buffet $25*paid in advance

6:45pm
Stone Cold Creamery (ice cream)
Starbucks, Liquor Store Etc.
Just steps away from Marra's
Back to the Pub and grounds at the Harrison conference center 
until ?????????????

Note: We adding things to this event, this Itinerary is subject to 
revision and change. Remember to check for updates prior to the tour!



Sunday

Guests of the Harrison conference Center get a complimentary 
breakfast in the dining room (see hotel for serving time)

We will be doing a morning photo shoot of the cars at the hotel
(Time to be determined)


Check out and departure 11:00-11:30 am


Caravan to Road Rally start point (Crescent Beach about 1 mile)
Get ready for an awesome Road Rally!
This will include a stop at the 
Welwyn Preserve 
This also has the Holocaust memorial and education center on the 
grounds if you wish to take time to visit it.
Bailey Arboretum (pending)

For those not interested participating in the Road Rally I will offer 
a driving tour equivalent or recommend a separate trip to
Sagamore Hill National Historic Site 
(Home to president Theodore Roosevelt)
 http://www.nps.gov/sahi/home.htm  

The Road Rally finishes in Bayville at the Walls Warf restaurant
at 2:30 pm

3:00 Lunch/Dinner
This will be a fabulous dinner!
Choice of 3 entrees and dessert
Views of Long Island sound and Connecticut 
Don't miss this $25

If you have any questions, e-mail me at falltour5_at_dml_hotmail.com 

see other info about the tour below

Regards,

Michael DeLuca
President
Delorean Mid Atlantic Club.

5th Annual DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour Oct 16th & 17th

It's that time again! 

This is the one you have been waiting for!
This promises to be the biggest and best Fall Tour Ever!!!!!

We have great things planed including a Road Rally, Rob Grady will be 
there and we have a lot of fun things to do and see the entire 
weekend!  
If you have been to the Fall Tour or ever thought about going this is 
the one you don't want to miss!

To get a copy of the registration form please go to the DeLorean Mid 
Atlantic web page.
The direct link to the form is 
http://www.deloreanmidatlantic.com/events/Falltour5/regform.pdf 
See details about the tour on the club web page at 
http://www.deloreanmidatlantic.com/events/falltour5.htm 
This event is open everyone but club members do get a discount so 
there is no better time to join the club! If you would like to join 
the DeLorean Mid Atlantic Club register (it's only $15 to join
less 
then a tank of gas) go to membership_at_dml_deloreanmidatlantic.com  

I have put additional images of this year's tour at 
http://www.falltour.itgo.com/photo.html please take a look.

If you think you may be interested or plan to attend I have a 
separate personal  e-mail set up at  falltour5_at_dml_hotmail.com 
I do need to hear from you so I can get an idea of how many people 
will be attending.






                          





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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:46:05 -0500
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Fuel System Problems

You may have a vacuum leak which causes the control plunger not to go up for
enough to send fuel to the injectors when cranking or the 02 setting is
adjusted to lean with the same effect..
John Hervey
www.specialtauto.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Samuel [mailto:samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx]
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 12:00 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Fuel System Problems


I have what is symptoms of a hot start issue, however, the following has
been done.

Replaced the fuel pump, fuel accumulator, and o-rings in the fuel
distributor (connector on the front/right side). With the car running,
fuel pressure is 4.5 bar with the fuel pressure valve open. With the
valve closed, it would cycle between 5.8 bar and 6.2 bar as the
frequency valve cycled (reading pressure coming off the fuel
distributor). Rest pressure is 3bar with no drop over 30 minutes.

Fuel return with just the pump running (engine off) is about 1/2 quart
every 30 seconds (manual shows it should be 1.8 liters every 30 seconds)
at both the fuel pump return and at the accumulator connection (fuel
pump return line blocked off). The adjustment for the o-rings in the
fuel distributor was not changed when the o-rings were replaced. Tried
cooling down the warm up regulator to see if the engine would start with
no success.

Where is the restriction likely to be and is it the cause of the hot
start problem? After the car warms up (radiator fans running), it takes
at minimum 2 hours to start again (and even then it barely wants to
start running).

Samuel



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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:51:28 -0500
From: "Video Bob" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Start, Die, No Start

I had a gofy thing happen once, the car would start, sputter and die.I 
noticed I could smell gas really bad so I pulled off the boot to the fuel 
pump and the friggin hose had COME OFF ans was just sitting there sucking 
the gas that was pooling in the boot!
I reconnected it as tight as I could and everything has been fine since.
Just thought I would mention it.....
- VB


>From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Re: Start, Die, No Start
>Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:27:27 -0000
>
>Check to see if you can hear the fuel pump run. It should at least
>pulse when you turn the key. If you don't hear it check the inertia
>switch and the RPM relay. You may have to jumper one of them out to
>get the pump running. You can also try a SMALL squirt of ether. If it
>starts and runs at all then you know for sure it's a fuel problem. If
>that won't get it going at all then check for spark. If you don't have
>spark check the connections on the ballast resistors, or it may be a
>pick-up coil or ignition coil. These are the most likely suspects. Of
>course it can be something stupid like a broken wire or a connector
>that came loose. Is the fuel level really low? Maybe you are out of
>gas or have a bad suction hose.
>David Teitelbaum
>vin 10757
>
>
>
>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> > NM, I think it loaded up with fuel and died. Then I would have
>unplug the
> > cold start valve to try to restart it because it would shoot more
>fuel ea
> > time you tried to start it again. You also may have to remove the
>plugs as
> > they could be gas fooled now.
> > John Hervey
> > www.specialtauto.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ctdmc83 [mailto:nmastrocinque_at_dml_s...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:13 PM
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 15:51:33 EDT
From: ttanaka504_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Alternate Car Seats ???



        Why not you replace with RECARO?

http://www.recaro.com/
 
        I have seen at least 3 Deloreans with Recaro seats. And I have a 
Carbon Recaro seat in my car (only in a driver side) .

        It is very comfortable to drive.
Even a Recaro seat holds you tight in hard driving.

       Swapping is not the hard. There is Japanese homepage
shows how to done this.

http://www.d4.dion.ne.jp/~chrsan/page021.html
         
          I hope it help. 

Blacknight 


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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 15:52:35 -0400
From: "Tom Watkins" <dmctom_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Glue/cement for window trim

I bought new NOS fuzzy strips for both windosw from DMCH.  I was leery about them being 20 years old and sure enough.....after installing them both sides came undone after 1 day.    There was a post not to long ago with the same issue with the NOS fuzzy strips.  The gentleman had decided that he would re-glue them prior to installation as he wasn't so sure.    I didn't want to take the time to do it so I installed mine...I wish I had.

I have followed his lead and removed them and carefully....with a razor blade removed the remainder of the fuzzy strip stil glued on.  I flipped the rubber strip over to give a a good clean surface and used 3M Black Super Adhesive.   I set the fuzzy strip on the glue and positioned it correctly and let it dry.....perfect!  They are now back in the car, glued strong and working great.

I would highly suggest that if you do buy the replacement fuzzy strip from DMC that you re-glue it, even if it looks like it has a good bond.  Being a 20+ year old part don't expect it to have the holding power it should.   I hope my waste of time will educate those looking to fix their fuzzy strips.    I would still recommend getting the DMC replacements BUT don't install them without first re-glueing.   

Tom Watkins
dmctom_at_dml_earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:56:56 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel System Problems

Have you checked to see if you have spark? You *might* have a pick-up
coil that goes flakey when it heats up. The other thing you could try
is a squirt of ether to rule out a fuel system problem.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> I have what is symptoms of a hot start issue, however, the following
has 
> been done.
> 
> Replaced the fuel pump, fuel accumulator, and o-rings in the fuel 
> distributor (connector on the front/right side). With the car running, 
> fuel pressure is 4.5 bar with the fuel pressure valve open. With the 





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