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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 2320
Date: Monday, November 15, 2004 5:15 PM


There are 11 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Key stopped turning in door! Ideas?
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

2. Re: Key stopped turning in door! Ideas?
From: kevin creason <kcreason77_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. RE: Fan Speed 2 = nothing
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

4. RE: Fan Speed 2 = nothing
From: "Joseph Kuchan" <josephkuchan_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. Re: Key stopped turning in door! Ideas?
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

6. Dust Cap Removal........
From: "Mike Bosworth" <mike.bosworth_at_dml_btinternet.com>

7. missing relay in engine bay
From: "ferdaniraphael" <raf40_at_dml_wanadoo.fr>

8. Need Frame Specs
From: "mydmc5898" <mydmc5898_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. RE: Re: Valve adjustment? (Matt "D.I.Y." Spittle)
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

10. Re: delorean.org
From: andydandy777_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Dust Cap Removal........
From: "thebrave65" <johnnysher1_at_dml_cox.net>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:39:07 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Key stopped turning in door! Ideas?


Try flipping the key over and trying again.

--
Mike


-------------- Original message from "gzapf" <x86Daddy_at_dml_myrealbox.com>: -------------- 


> 
> 
> 
> I have an early VIN car that has the later door locks that match my 
> ignition. When I purchased the car, the passenger side lock would not 
> turn with the key in it (but the key does insert all the way). 
> Suddenly, my driver side door lock won't turn by the key anymore 
> either. I've taken off the upper panel to look at the inside, and 
> nothing is odd looking: the white part that hooks to the locking rod 
> seems in place... I can push and pull the rod manually to lock and 
> unlock the door, and the interior switch still works... but the key 
> won't move the center, metallic portion of the door lock more than a 
> few degrees. 
> 
> Has anyone had this happen before? Any ideas on how to fix it or 
> troubleshoot it? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> --Greg 
> #2894 

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:23:26 -0800 (PST)
From: kevin creason <kcreason77_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Key stopped turning in door! Ideas?


There are two possible problems:
1) the key can't turn because of the insides of the
cylinders aren't allowing it.
2) the key can't turn because of the rods and locking
mechanisms are jammed.

It sounds like you have verified that it isn't #2.
However, you could get in the car, lock it and roll
down the windows, and reach through and try to unlock
it while you watch and try to assist.

#1 can be because of corrosion in the cylinder, worn
key, broken key, or foreign matter inside the
cylinder.

The first thing to do is to make sure that your key is
in good shape-- not worn, not bent, broken or
breaking.

Here are my thoughts. You know that it has been
modified from the original; do you know if it was
professionally done, or by owner? I have seen/heard
that some of the early cars were modified by owners
very poorly.
Unfortunately, you probably will need to have a lock
professional look at it, and very probably keyed
correctly and fresh code-cut keys.

--- gzapf <x86Daddy_at_dml_myrealbox.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> I have an early VIN car that has the later door
> locks that match my
> ignition.  When I purchased the car, the passenger
> side lock would not
> turn with the key in it (but the key does insert all
> the way). 
> Suddenly, my driver side door lock won't turn by the
> key anymore
> either.  I've taken off the upper panel to look at
> the inside, and
> nothing is odd looking: the white part that hooks to
> the locking rod
> seems in place...  I can push and pull the rod
> manually to lock and
> unlock the door, and the interior switch still
> works...  but the key
> won't move the center, metallic portion of the door
> lock more than a
> few degrees.
> 
> Has anyone had this happen before?  Any ideas on how
> to fix it or
> troubleshoot it?
> 
> Thanks,
> --Greg
> #2894





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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:58:55 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: RE: Fan Speed 2 = nothing


Greg,

Go back to the resistor group terminal block (N:08:04 Fig. 37) at the blower
and check to see if you have 12 volts at the Pink/Red wire. If you detect no
voltage than the problem is between the fan speed switch and resistor group.
(Reference Workshop manual M:18:19)

DMC Joe 

-----Original Message-----
From: gzapf [mailto:x86Daddy_at_dml_myrealbox.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:17 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Fan Speed 2 = nothing


> When I turn on my AC, fans, etc...  to fan speed 1, 3, and 4, I get normal
> behavior.  When I try fan speed 2, it actually turns off.  When I asked
> about this recently, I received several suggestions to check out the
> resistor in the passenger footwell.  Mine was very rusted, so I installed a
> new one.  Unfortunately, I get the same behavior.  Does anyone have other
> ideas on the possible cause of this?
> 
> Thanks,
> --Greg
> #2894





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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:07:52 -0600
From: "Joseph Kuchan" <josephkuchan_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Fan Speed 2 = nothing


The switch itself may be bad on that speed setting.

-Joe Kuchan

>From: "gzapf" <x86Daddy_at_dml_myrealbox.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Fan Speed 2 = nothing
>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:17:10 -0000
>
>
>
>
>When I turn on my AC, fans, etc...  to fan speed 1, 3, and 4, I get
>normal behavior.  When I try fan speed 2, it actually turns off.  When
>I asked about this recently, I received several suggestions to check
>out the resistor in the passenger footwell.  Mine was very rusted, so
>I installed a new one.  Unfortunately, I get the same behavior.  Does
>anyone have other ideas on the possible cause of this?
>
>Thanks,
>--Greg
>#2894





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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:52:22 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Key stopped turning in door! Ideas?



It is very likely a matter of worn keys and worn locks. Try all the
keys you have, if you are using a copy of a copy that is not good. Try
lubricating with powdered graphite. You get it at an auto store in a
small tube. Try turning the key over and using the other side. These
keys are "convienience cut" meaning they work no matter which way you
stick it in the lock. Wiggling the key may help as well as SLIGHTLY 
moving the key in or out of the lock.  One side may be worn more than
the other. If nothing works you will have to pull all the locks and
take them to a locksmith. You should always try to put an origional
away and not use so you have a really good, unworn origional to copy
(good advice for any car or any lock system for that matter).
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "gzapf" <x86Daddy_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have an early VIN car that has the later door locks that match my
> ignition.  When I purchased the car, the passenger side lock would not
> turn with the key in it (but the key does insert all the way). 
> Suddenly, my driver side door lock won't turn by the key anymore
> either.  I've taken off the upper panel to look at the inside, and
> nothing is odd looking: the white part that hooks to the locking rod
> seems in place...  I can push and pull the rod manually to lock and
> unlock the door, and the interior switch still works...  but the key
> won't move the center, metallic portion of the door lock more than a
> few degrees.
> 
> Has anyone had this happen before?  Any ideas on how to fix it or
> troubleshoot it?
> 
> Thanks,
> --Greg
> #2894








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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:14:43 -0000
From: "Mike Bosworth" <mike.bosworth_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Dust Cap Removal........



Hi

Does the front end left hand wheel 'yellow' dust cover just pull off 
the hub?... it appears the angle drive cable is wedged into the back 
of it...but before i go tugging at it is there anything i should 
know :)....Thanks

Mike
#2001 








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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:44:29 -0000
From: "ferdaniraphael" <raf40_at_dml_wanadoo.fr>
Subject: missing relay in engine bay



Hi
In my engine bay, the relay next to the ignition resistor is missing.
It works that way but I want to return to stock, so I'm looking for 
a diagram to install and rewire a new relay 

Thanks for your help !
Raphael








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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:31:35 -0000
From: "mydmc5898" <mydmc5898_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Need Frame Specs



Hi, I'm converting my 81 DMC-12 from Automatic to 5-speed. And The 
parts should be coming out soon. But I ran into a problem. I need 
the specs (measuerments and pics) of the 5-speed frame. Basiclly 
what are the changes that need to be made. If you could help me out 
please anyone!!!! My emails are MyDmc5898_at_dml_yahoo.com   
DeLorean170_at_dml_aol.com and my phone# is 570-331-8456. I just need a few 
pics and if someone one the list has done this please if you 
canshare with me some of the information. 

Thanks again,
Darryl
VIN 5898








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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:59:20 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Valve adjustment? (Matt "D.I.Y." Spittle)


[Moderator Note: The point of contention here appears to be a simple case of miscommunication.  I'm approving this message because it looks like it will end the topic mildly.  Anyone who has more to say on this should do it elsewhere.  
- Mike Substelny, DML moderator of the week]

Robert,

Thanks for your response. You said in your reply that we refused to give him
(Matt) the information he requested.

You need to go back and read the responses he received. Matt asked a complex
question, within 24 hours he got two varied responses. David Teitelbaum
replied with a detailed answer to his question including some precautionary
comments. My response, based on my 20 years experience as a DeLorean
specialist, was precautionary only. If we refused to give him information we
would not have answered his question. Concerning my response, if he stated
that he was familiar with valve adjustments I would have gladly pointed him
in the right direction as I have done in all of my responses since the DML
started.

If you would like to comment further please do so off list. I can be reached
at [mailto:dmchelp_at_dml_att.net ]

DMC Joe  
 

-----Original Message-----
From: therealdmcvegas [mailto:dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 4:01 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Valve adjustment? (Matt "D.I.Y." Spittle)

EDITED TO REFLECT ABOVE RESPONSE:


"If I'm going to make a comment on this, it's actually going to be in Matt's
defence."

"Matt was asking for clarification on how to procedure was to be performed."


"But I can't understand why no one wanted to post the information he
requested."

"But to refuste to give information on the basis that you're trying to
protect someone from themselves, that is absolutely wrong."
 

Matt is absolutly right. Car repair is NOT rocket science. And yes Joe, I'm
sure that the vendors would agree, seeing as how such a large portion of
their time is spent giving technical advice to their many customers over the
phone.

Even you had to start learning somewhere, Joe. Would you have been able to
operate a DeLorean service center had someone not have taken the time to
educate you, when you first had questions?

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> 
> I am certain that all of our DML readers who have read your response 
> to David Teitelbaum and yours truly, DMC Joe's, comments on your
request for
> assistance have several responses they might like to make in our
defense.
> Let me save everyone precious time with this direct response.
> 
> Matt,
> 
> Your question was: "Is there a procedure somewhere that tells the 
> "layperson" how to adjust the valves on the DeLorean?"
> 
> Our detailed answerers were to a "lay person" not, as you describe
yourself,
> a person who can do procedures yourself with no one helping you
except the
> occasional friend. 
> 
> Finally you said: "Auto mechanics is NOT rocket science, and
providing you
> have the tools and literature, ANYONE CAN DO IT."
> 
> I'll be sure to pass this on to Steven Wynne, Rob Grady and Don Steger.
> 
> Regards,
> DMC Joe








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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:30:55 EST
From: andydandy777_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: delorean.org


In a message dated 11/15/2004 9:59:57 AM Central Standard Time, 
icypalmtree_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:
www.delorean.org
this site open up on neubix studio, I see nothing about Deloreans here


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:21:10 -0000
From: "thebrave65" <johnnysher1_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Dust Cap Removal........



Yeah, it just slides off.  Every time I have removed the front left 
wheel, it usually falls out on it's own.

It has a square hole that the AD cable fits into and it may have 
turned in it causing it to get stuck.

A new dust cover might be in your future.

Johnny
5518

> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> Does the front end left hand wheel 'yellow' dust cover just pull 
off 
> the hub?... it appears the angle drive cable is wedged into the 
back 
> of it...but before i go tugging at it is there anything i should 
> know :)....Thanks
> 
> Mike
> #2001








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