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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 2472


There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Dumb and Dumber
From: "stainlessilusion" <5n-_at_dml_gmx.net>

2. Re: Dumb and Dumber
From: "Videobob Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

3. Re: South Florida Owners Meetup?
From: "Steven L. Alves" <steve_at_dml_fotofx.net>

4. Re: Quick tranny question
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

5. RHD Delorean
From: Daniel Partridge <lunar_wolf2002_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. Observation on "Eyebrows"
From: "bluemax86" <massimot_at_dml_rushmore.com>

7. Paint code
From: nicholden_at_dml_yahoo.com

8. Re: Paint code
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

9. Re: Dumb and Dumber
From: "wayofcain" <wayofcain_at_dml_yahoo.com>

10. Re: Observation on "Eyebrows"
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

11. De Loreans in Vegas.
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>

12. Re: Dumb and Dumber
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>

13. Re: SS LOUVERS
From: "media1524" <brentlun_at_dml_netrax.net>

14. Re: Dumb and Dumber
From: DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683_at_dml_wi.rr.com>

15. Re: Millennium Concours tip of the day (clock)
From: Hank <heskin_at_dml_gmail.com>

16. RE: Dumb and Dumber
From: "alex morgan" <mauibarber_at_dml_hotmail.com>

17. South Florida Meet Proto 1
From: "dmcproto1" <DMCPROTO1_at_dml_aol.com>

18. Re: Millennium Concours tip of the day (clock)
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

19. Re: Paint code PS
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:21:47 -0000
From: "stainlessilusion" <5n-_at_dml_gmx.net>
Subject: Re: Dumb and Dumber


Advertising on cars are done on the DOORS, not the hood- it is too difficult to see anything on the hood-even with the car being so low. On top of that, trying to read an ad on the hood of a DeLorean during the day, you'll be blind from the reflection of the sun. You aren't the first person I've heard trying this, but the first I've heard of 
trying it with a DeLorean. You said you have interested buyers yet I see no bids. Perhaps you'd be more sucessful with using the doors instead of the hood, also using local listings as well as ebay. 1,500 dollars for 30 days of just having something on my hood? If it was this easy I'm sure everyone would be doing this. Goodluck with that -----Dani B. #5003
> 
> Hey Alex,
> 
> Before calling something dumb, maybe you should look
> into the reasons first.  No one on this list can deny
> the fact that this car gets lots of attention.  This
> is my D'.  It isn't in the best shape on the inside
> and I don't have the finances to get those things
> fixed, but from the outside it looks new.  If I can
> usse that attention and it's looks in one of the
> hottest markets in the U.S. to make me some cash to
> finance vin 1223's restoration then so be it.  I
> actually have interested buyers.  It's a way to make
> some money off the car without selling it.  That
> doesn't seem dumb to me.
> 
> Japheth VIN: 1223
> 
> --- alex morgan <mauibarber_at_dml_h...> wrote:

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:09:19 -0600
From: "Videobob Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dumb and Dumber


For the record, I thought the idea was brilliant.
Tons of people will not only be looking at it but will be posing for photos 
with it.
Las Vegas is one of the only places I have been that hires trucks to drive 
around with billboards
on the side, and there is someone handing you a flyer every 20 feet. The idea is brilliant, and you could cimply use printed vinyl stickers and 
peel them off
easily without any damage what so ever and change them frequently. I would think ANY casino would want to advertise themselves, acts or buffet 
on
something as attention getting as the hood of a DeLorean.
I go to Vegas every April for the National Association of Brodcasters 
meeting and I usually
rent a Dodge Viper off the strip and I get a lot of looks in that sucker, I 
can imagine
what it is like in the DeLorean.
I hope to drive the DeLo there one day.

I say, GOOD LUCK.
- Videobob

>From: Japheth Deaux <secret_jedi_guy_at_dml_yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [DML] Dumb and Dumber
>Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:56:55 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>
>Hey Alex,
>
>Before calling something dumb, maybe you should look
>into the reasons first.  No one on this list can deny
>the fact that this car gets lots of attention.  This
>is my D'.  It isn't in the best shape on the inside
>and I don't have the finances to get those things
>fixed, but from the outside it looks new.  If I can
>usse that attention and it's looks in one of the
>hottest markets in the U.S. to make me some cash to
>finance vin 1223's restoration then so be it.  I
>actually have interested buyers.  It's a way to make
>some money off the car without selling it.  That
>doesn't seem dumb to me.
>
>Japheth VIN: 1223
>
>--- alex morgan <mauibarber_at_dml_hotmail.com> wrote:

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:14:35 -0500
From: "Steven L. Alves" <steve_at_dml_fotofx.net>
Subject: Re: South Florida Owners Meetup?


OK, To close this topic out. If anyone in Florida is interested in joining 
in on a Florida club,
Please contact me OFF LIST at steve_at_dml_fotofx.net I will put a list together 
and we can work out the details.


Thanks

Steve
#2700



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard T. Herrick, MD" <docrth_at_dml_verizon.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: [DML] South Florida Owners Meetup?


>
>
> [MODERATOR NOTE: The DML often allows people to arrange meet-ups, but 
> this
> is becoming a "me too" thread.  I urge someone to take the initiative here 
> before I am forced to kill this thread.   - Mike Substelny DML moderator 
> of the week]
>
> WE REALLY do need  a FL club
> DocRTH
> Redington Shores(St Pete area)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: whocruiser_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:whocruiser_at_dml_aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:55 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] South Florida Owners Meetup?

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 04:39:14 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Quick tranny question



Recheck ALL the external on-car adjustments as per the Workshop Manual. Some of the possible causes include:

Shift linkage out-of-adjustment (easy to set correctly)

Fluid level low or high (check as per procedure in manual)

Plugged up filter (can be cleaned or replaced)

Line pressure too low (adjustment, worn pump, dirty filter)

Leaking internal seals (bad news but very unlikely)

I have listed them in order of likelyhood. They are also in order for complexity and expense. It would not be abnormal for it to take 1-2 seconds if the car was just started up and was cold but is not normal once the car is warm/hot. David Teitelbaum vin 10757




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Enid/Jeremiah <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_y...>
wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Quick question.  Whenever I go in reverse, everything
> sits for a second or two, then reverse engages.  Today
> when I got to school, I wanted to reverse really
> quickly to straighten out in parking lot (hadn't shut
> car off yet).  When I selected reverse, it
> waited...prolly about 4 seconds and then engaged.  I
> shifted back and forth to see if this was going to be continual; it 
> shifted fine after that.  I have had a ongoing leak for over a year, 
> but the fluid level is still "Hot" when checked...
> 
> My question with the reverse issue - does this ever
> happen to anyone else?  It's extremely sporadic - only
> has happened 3 times that I can remember.  I just
> 








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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:09:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel Partridge <lunar_wolf2002_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: RHD Delorean


Hello to all of you aout there in radioland....
 
Does anyone know where I can get a Right-Hand-Drive Delorean in the domestic/continental United States?
 
Daniel

		
---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:17:40 -0000
From: "bluemax86" <massimot_at_dml_rushmore.com>
Subject: Observation on "Eyebrows"



I am not entirely convinced that the sun causes the "eyebrows" on the fascia. I bought my car from a PO in Arizona and the car now resides in SD. When I bought the car there was no warping of the fascia, now it is just starting to warp, also it has developed a weird bubble/wrinkle on the top right just above the lights (I am not saying the lights caused this). I don't drive my car that often and it probably doesn't sit outside for more than 10 days a year where the temps are above 80 deg. However I did take 3 long trips with the car. The first from PJ Grady in NJ to SD, the second to Pigeon Forge and the third back again. So maybe the warping could possibly come from the radiator or some other source.

Max
4819








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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:10:42 -0000
From: nicholden_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Paint code



Hi, 
Does anyone know the paint code for the fasica's?  I'm not a painter 
so i dont know how they quote paint codes so any help will be 
appreciated. I hope to have fixed the 'eye lids' in the next few 
weeks then they will be going for painting.

Thanks, Nick 10927 








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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:54:09 EST
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Paint code


I have it posted on the DML archives along with pictures
 
It is DBU or DBC 33584 Silver from PPG
 
If you do not paint regularly I recommend using DBU it is more  forgiving.
 
DBC is more like laquer and is quicker drying but it can lift if you put it  
on too thick or wait too long between coats.
 
Ken


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:58:43 -0000
From: "wayofcain" <wayofcain_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dumb and Dumber



I agree with Bob. It's a great idea to get some cash for the car. 

The hood is as good of a place as any. Everyone drive huge SUVs now. 
They will all see it, the car will be parked, passers by will see it. 
I would be willing to advertise on an exotic car that I knew would 
get attention. 

On another note, why has this list become so negative? It seems like 
people spend more time trying to criticize others in a totally non 
productive way than to offer help, support, or just stay quiet if 
they have nothing good to say.

Japheth, good luck with your venture.

Cain Grimes
002835

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Videobob Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_h...> 
wrote:
> 
> For the record, I thought the idea was brilliant.
> Tons of people will not only be looking at it but will be posing
for photos 
> with it.
> Las Vegas is one of the only places I have been that hires trucks
to drive 
> around with billboards
> on the side, and there is someone handing you a flyer every 20 feet. 
> The idea is brilliant, and you could cimply use printed vinyl
stickers and 
> peel them off
> easily without any damage what so ever and change them frequently. I 
> would think ANY casino would want to advertise themselves, acts
or buffet 
> on
> something as attention getting as the hood of a DeLorean.
> I go to Vegas every April for the National Association of
Brodcasters 
> meeting and I usually
> rent a Dodge Viper off the strip and I get a lot of looks in that
sucker, I 
> can imagine
> what it is like in the DeLorean.
> I hope to drive the DeLo there one day.
> 
> I say, GOOD LUCK.
> - Videobob
> 
> >From: Japheth Deaux <secret_jedi_guy_at_dml_y...>
> >Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> >To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [DML] Dumb and Dumber
> >Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:56:55 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >
> >
> >Hey Alex,
> >
> >Before calling something dumb, maybe you should look
> >into the reasons first.  No one on this list can deny
> >the fact that this car gets lots of attention.  This
> >is my D'.  It isn't in the best shape on the inside
> >and I don't have the finances to get those things
> >fixed, but from the outside it looks new.  If I can
> >usse that attention and it's looks in one of the
> >hottest markets in the U.S. to make me some cash to
> >finance vin 1223's restoration then so be it.  I
> >actually have interested buyers.  It's a way to make
> >some money off the car without selling it.  That
> >doesn't seem dumb to me.
> >
> >Japheth VIN: 1223
> >
> >--- alex morgan <mauibarber_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> 
> [long quote trimmed by moderator]








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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:11:37 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Observation on "Eyebrows"



Age has a lot to do with it but the sun (in the form of heat) seems to really make it worse. My car was always garaged and does not have any warping but if I take it out and leave it in the sun it warps right up. I don't think the radiator has much to do with it, it happens even if the motor is not running. When I take it out of the sun or leave a towel over the facia it is fine. In any case if you don't want it to warp just glue in a stiffener plate over the headlights. It has to be thin so it doesn't interfere with the headlights. The sun is really hard on a car. Look what it does to the vinyl on the dash. David Teitelbaum vin 10757





--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "bluemax86" <massimot_at_dml_r...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I am not entirely convinced that the sun causes the "eyebrows" on the 
> fascia. I bought my car from a PO in Arizona and the car now resides 
> in SD. When I bought the car there was no warping of the fascia, now 
> it is just starting to warp, also it has developed a weird 
> bubble/wrinkle on the top right just above the lights (I am not saying
> 








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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:52:59 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: De Loreans in Vegas.



Another anonymous DeLorean here in Vegas... I swear, there must be 
like about 5 total here on this list, with countless others in Vegas. 
And everyones 

Give a shout out, and the next time we have a get-together with other 
owners who come in from out of town, and we can all meet up.

-Robert



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Japheth Deaux <secret_jedi_guy_at_dml_y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hey Alex,
> 
> Before calling something dumb, maybe you should look
> into the reasons first.  No one on this list can deny
> the fact that this car gets lots of attention.  This
> is my D'.  It isn't in the best shape on the inside
> and I don't have the finances to get those things
> fixed, but from the outside it looks new.  If I can
> usse that attention and it's looks in one of the
> hottest markets in the U.S. to make me some cash to
> finance vin 1223's restoration then so be it.  I
> actually have interested buyers.  It's a way to make
> some money off the car without selling it.  That
> doesn't seem dumb to me.
> 
> Japheth VIN: 1223








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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:44:55 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Dumb and Dumber



Ok, after Video Bob's comment, I just have to share this story..

A couple of years ago, I was down on the strip in my DeLorean, 
southbound _at_dml_ Tropicana. I pull up next to a Viper. Some guy in his 
late 50's, bald is behind the wheel, and some chick who didn't look a 
day over 18 is in the passenger seat.

So this girl is checking out my car, and totally looses interest in 
the guy driving. I of course am checking her out in turn. The driver 
then looks over at me with this pissed off look. So I stare the bald 
guy directly in the eyes. And with the smuggest, most egotistical 
grin possible, I run my fingers thru my HAIR! Needless to say, the 
guy became FURIOUS, and took off as soon as the light turned green.

In Vegas, DeLoreans are always cooler than Vipers, Corvettes, and 
other exotics. Why? Because if you see me, or someone else driving 
one, you know that they're NOT rentals! :)

P.S. Anyone else other than VB coming to Vegas for NAB?

-Robert



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Videobob Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_h...> 
wrote:
<SNIP>
> something as attention getting as the hood of a DeLorean.
> I go to Vegas every April for the National Association of
Brodcasters 
> meeting and I usually
> rent a Dodge Viper off the strip and I get a lot of looks in that
sucker, I 
> can imagine
> what it is like in the DeLorean.
> I hope to drive the DeLo there one day.
<SNIP>








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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:00:49 -0000
From: "media1524" <brentlun_at_dml_netrax.net>
Subject: Re: SS LOUVERS



Did you mean to send this to me off line?  I did not find it in my 
home email.

An article with pictures?  Where did you find it?  I don't recall 
submitting any articles for publication at that time.  Ken K. used a 
photo of my car in his magazine but it did not show the louvers.  The 
article was on another subject.  I was in my local paper in Feb 2002 
and again this year.  I checked the DML messages for Nov. 4, 2003 but 
there was no message about my car.  I did submit two photos to the 
DML under SS LOUVERS.

I have posted information about my SS Louvers to the DML, the latest 
was on Dec. 22.  The company who made them went out of business long 
ago.  Mine is the only car I have seen them on.

Brent Lundgren
York, PA
VIN #17006 (SS Louvers)
> 
> 
> FOUND AN ARTICAL FROM NOV.4,2003 WITH PICTURES OF YOUR CAR WITH THE
> SS LOUVERS. VERY IMPRESSIVE I'M WONDERING IF YOU SELL THEM OR IF 
YOU 
> CAN TELL ME HOW TO GET IN TOUCH WITH WHO DOES. I HAVE A 1981 VIN
> #3496 THANK YOU VERY MUCH DAN








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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:01:47 -0600
From: DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683_at_dml_wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Dumb and Dumber


Plus if you push too hard on the hood putting the advertisement on you 
can "X" the hood.

Stupid idea i think, go with the doors if you have to do it.

Mark V



On Feb 8, 2005, at 9:21 PM, stainlessilusion wrote:

>
>
> Advertising on cars are done on the DOORS, not the hood- it is too
> difficult to see anything on the hood-even with the car being so low.
> On top of that, trying to read an ad on the hood of a DeLorean during
> the day, you'll be blind from the reflection of the sun. You aren't
> the first person I've heard trying this, but the first I've heard of
> trying it with a DeLorean. You said you have interested buyers yet I
> see no bids. Perhaps you'd be more sucessful with using the doors
> instead of the hood, also using local listings as well as ebay. 1,500
> dollars for 30 days of just having something on my hood? If it was
> this easy I'm sure everyone would be doing this. Goodluck with that
> -----Dani B. #5003
>>
>> Hey Alex,
>>
>> Before calling something dumb, maybe you should look
>> into the reasons first.  No one on this list can deny
>> the fact that this car gets lots of attention.  This
>> is my D'.  It isn't in the best shape on the inside
>> and I don't have the finances to get those things
>> fixed, but from the outside it looks new.  If I can
>> usse that attention and it's looks in one of the
>> hottest markets in the U.S. to make me some cash to
>> finance vin 1223's restoration then so be it.  I
>> actually have interested buyers.  It's a way to make
>> some money off the car without selling it.  That
>> doesn't seem dumb to me.
>>
>> Japheth VIN: 1223
>>
>> --- alex morgan <mauibarber_at_dml_h...> wrote:





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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:50:24 -0500
From: Hank <heskin_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Millennium Concours tip of the day (clock)


> item is the pre-delivery inspection checklist which calls out that
> the clock be properly set for the local time where the car is being
> delivered.

I am, by no means an authority on the Concours.. but I thought it was
supposed to be "as the cars left the factory", and not "as they are
about to be delivered".  Plenty of things could happen to the vehicles
between those two points in time.   And having some judging criteria
for the cars as they left the factory, and others for as they were
being delivered, seems inconsistent to me, and would allow for
interpretation for any other relevant judging point.





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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:58:33 +0000
From: "alex morgan" <mauibarber_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Dumb and Dumber



How many times would the delorean be driving back and forth on the strip 
each month?  I would think to make it worth the $1500 dollars that it would 
have to be at least 20-30 times a day.  I would be concerned of doing more 
than $1500 in damage in a couple of months of driving(especially with summer 
coming.)  One fender bender and you could be out a lot of money.  I think 
you would be better off trying to rent it out for parties or proms or 
something.
Alex







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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:53:04 -0000
From: "dmcproto1" <DMCPROTO1_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: South Florida Meet Proto 1



Everone interested in meeting for a south FL group e-mail me off 
list at dmcproto1_at_dml_aol.com I will host a get together in March and 
will have Proto 1 on display. The location will be in Bonita Springs 
Florida just 1 mile north of the Naples border. 1 hour & 45 min from 
Tampa, Miami or FtLauderdale, 2 hours from West Palm, 3 1/2 hours 
from Orlando.

Tony Ierardi 








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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:13:30 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Millennium Concours tip of the day (clock)


[Moderator Note: While tips for all car shows, including concours, are welcome on the DML, the merits of the Millenium concours standards are not.  Yahoo Groups has a separate discussion forum dedicated to nothing but the Millenium concours, and everyone is welcome to participate.  - Mike Substelny, DML moderator of the week]

Certain liberties must be taken when determining the point in history
at which to judge the cars. Generally it would be as sold by a Dealer.
This could include some customization if it could be proved it was
done BEFORE being accepted by the buyer. For other types of cars some
dealers would do special paint jobs, add their own option kits, etc.
Some are famous for their cars and are very sought after like the Mr
Norm cars in the Chrysler world. If you wanted to judge a Delorean as
shipped from the factory you would have to have the foam pads on the
bumpers and I can't even guess what the clock would be set to if it
was set at all. It makes a lot more sense to do it as a Dealer would
have sold the car, they would set the air pressures in the tires,
cleaned the car, make sure everything worked, etc. For Deloreans a
problem is that the QAC centers did things and there is no
documentation on it. For instance it is possible they could have
replaced a damaged hood and not having any more with gas flaps they
would have used one without a gas flap. Some cars have a radio
interference label and some don't. Some have a QAC label and some
don't. This makes it a lot harder for the judges. The "best" standard
is to use the pre-delivery checklist and assume that every car was at
least checked against it at the time of it's sale to the first owner.
In any case your best chance of winning a concours is to follow the
judging manual as closly as you can, that's what the judges do
(whether you agree with it or not).
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--
> I am, by no means an authority on the Concours.. but I thought it was
> supposed to be "as the cars left the factory", and not "as they are
> about to be delivered".  Plenty of things could happen to the von
for any other relevant judging point.








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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:17:13 -0500
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Paint code PS


By the way your timing on paint is appropriate I am painting 9 fascias today 
OH fun Oh Joy
Thank God (sorry Marc) I have a paint booth now

Ken





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