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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 2510
Date: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:38 PM


There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Vendors & Parts Availiblity
From: Dan Haney <DRHANEY_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

2. Re: PRV Performance
From: "Rick" <rdevaux_at_dml_titan.com>

3. Re: Re: Celebrating the Irish
From: Enid/Jeremiah <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>

4. Re: Battery Question
From: Chris Almy <chris.almy_at_dml_comcast.net>

5. Re: Re: Air Conditioning
From: "Lauren" <LPLand_at_dml_earthlink.net>

6. Re: Re: PRV Performance - Set me straight please
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

7. Voltage problems still
From: "painterdave72" <painterdave72_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. Northern California club 2005 kickoff event this Sunday
From: "ryanjm10014" <ryanjm_at_dml_cox.net>

9. Re: PRV Performance / 6 Speed trans
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>

10. Re: PRV Performance / 6 Speed trans
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>

11. Re: Re: PRV Performance - Set me straight please
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

12. Re: Battery Question
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>

13. Re: Voltage problems still
From: "stainlessilusion" <5n-_at_dml_gmx.net>

14. Re: Voltage problems still
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>

15. 1st Place De Lorean _at_dml_ Auto Rama
From: "vin00538" <lawrencesr_at_dml_netzero.net>

16. Re: PRV Performance / 6 Speed trans
From: "Jim Reeve" <dmc6960_at_dml_gmail.com>

17. Re: Air Conditioning
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

18. Re: Voltage problems still
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

19. Erik Geerdink's Frame Swap and Cincy St. Pat's Parade Plans...
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net>

20. RE: Re: Early VIN Door Key Replicas!?
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>

21. RE: PRV Performance
From: "secret_jedi_guy" <secret_jedi_guy_at_dml_yahoo.com>

22. RE: Air Conditioning
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>

23. Re: Northern California club 2005 kickoff event this Sunday
From: "usndmc" <usndmc_at_dml_yahoo.com>

24. Re: PRV Performance (Rick)
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

25. Turbo PRV.
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:01:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan Haney <DRHANEY_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Vendors & Parts Availiblity


I was working on my car over the weekend and it struck me how nice it is, at this moment to be a Delorean owner. As a long time owner, this is the easiest time I've ever had in obtaining parts and technical help. I remember having to deal with getting parts when they were being held by Consolidated or trying to cross reference parts on your own. Then there was a time when the only vendor I was really aware of was Delorean One (Who has always treated me well!). While all of these options worked and you could generally get what you needed, life as an owner is vastly improved now!

My current project is essentially routine maintaince, brake and coolant flush and fill, and a general cleaning. I ordered parts from 3 different vendors and didn't use DMCH this time. Not that I don't love DMCH, I just didn't need them this time. I purchased stainless braided brake lines from SpecialT Auto, a coolant bleeder for the radiator from Delorean Parts NW, and a transmission heat exchanger from PJ Grady. 

As a long time owner these are the best of times, thanks to all the vendors big and small for making this the case!
Also, I for one am very happy to see DMCJoe back and posting even if it is only on a limited basis!

As a side note, the SS brake lines went in like OEM equipment and really made a difference in the feel of my brake pedal!

Dan Haney
Vin 03254  

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:47:46 -0000
From: "Rick" <rdevaux_at_dml_titan.com>
Subject: Re: PRV Performance



All this Volvo owner wants is to enjoy driving his car.  Enjoyment 
includes a degree of performance balanced with reliability.  If there 
are ways to change the B28F from 130 hp to a B28 with more torque and 
hp then I'm interested.  Especially if the engine retains its 
original configuration, e.g. K-Jet and N/A.  I've been lucky to get 
the cams and pistons used in the B28E and would like to optimize 
these.  To have headers made is also a reasonable cost for the 
benefit, so I'll have that done too.  As I've read the posts to this 
thread (Thanks so much!!)I think I've learned a lot in response to my 
inital question.  The K-Jet Lambda system that I have in it's basic 
form should be adequate for my application.  The warm-up regulator 
that I currently have is a 004 which does not have any vacuum 
function to it and I don't have the micro switch enrichment circuit 
either.  I like the idea of keeping the closed-loop Lambda system to 
keep things "adjusted" as variables change (air density, et al...).  
I'd like to have a fuel enrichment system of some sort that will 
complement the mods I'm going to do (pistons, cams, head porting, 
headers).  I've got a new Bosch 949 fuel pump and two sets of 013 
injectors to play with.  All the injectors have been in service for 
over 25 years and don't display any problems, but I'm inclined to 
send a set of six of them to John H to have them checked and cleaned 
for optimization.  I'll probably do the same with my fuel distributor 
while I'm having the pistons and cams done.  
Current ignition is stock.  Not sure what to do there.  Maybe it's 
adequate?  Not sure but it works fine now.  Currently running 10 
degrees static advance with the CO at 1%.  I've got a B28E ignition 
distributor that doesn't have the twin barb timing delay solenoid 
vacuum advance.  I'll replace my current distributor with the B28E to 
see if the advance curve is improved.  I'm considering running 
ignition with a static timing of 13 degrees and a CO of 2% (no cat)
but will have those adjusted for the best tune with all other 
components considered.
I have a spare CPR (018) that does have the vacuum enrichment 
function and I'll consider replacing my current one with it.  Still 
not sure what's the best way to go with fuel enrichment but I don't 
think changing the CPR will hurt. Still looking for inputs on this 
situation.
My car is not a Delorean.  It is a Volvo 262C (4 speed with OD)and to 
me a nice car in itself that I enjoy driving.  I won't be twin 
turboing it, or taking it to DMCH for an engine mod.  I also won't be 
driving it to England for the tuning work that Martin does, although 
I'd like to.  I'm sure most Delorean drivers would like improved 
performance but can't see going the DMCH or turbo route and don't 
have access to Martin except through the forum.  I don't think DMCH 
or DMUK would be losing any customers by making there mods known.  
There are those folks that will still go to the experts at DMCH or 
DMUK to have these things done "right" or at least to buy the parts 
needed for the mod. 
I guess what I'm hoping to hear is "well, you got these components so 
set it up this way" or "get this bit to replace that bit and you'll 
notice a difference".  I'm beginning to see that it's not that simple 
and have really enjoyed the input in this forum.  I haven't found any 
place else that has the folks and desire for the PRV that is found 
here.  Thanks again!!  And keep the recommendations coming!!  Rick








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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:30:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Enid/Jeremiah <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Celebrating the Irish


I have one of those in a stainless steel frame, and I
take it to every car show I go to.  Very creative and
very "people friendly" for those who don't know
anything about the car.  I'd love to put that on the
back of a shirt that I could wear at car shows, so I
don't get asked the same questions over and over and
over...

Major kudos, Shannon on that "quick fact" sheet.  GJ!

Jeremiah


--- Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm usually the sarcastic VB nemesis but in this
> case you are quite welcome, glad
> I could help. 
> Keep informing the masses!
> 
> Shannon Y
> 16506


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:28:02 -0800
From: Chris Almy <chris.almy_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Battery Question


Andrew,
Of course a yellow top will work as it's still better then most standard 
car batteries. However, the same size as a red top has 50 less CCA and 110 
less CA. Plus it costs about $30 more. That's why I don't recommend them 
unless you need the deep cycle.

As for your electrical leak, you might want to purchase a digital multi 
meter (with the ability to measure current). You can then go circuit by 
circuit to track the leak. After rebuilding the lock module (or 
disconnecting it works just as well), I've gone up to 2 weeks and it would 
start right up. In fact considering my D currently uses 23mA (with stock 
radio and clock, rebuilt lock module and remote keyless entry), I should be 
able to go about 40 days before the battery is 50% drained.

Chris
VIN 4099

At 05:15 PM 3/6/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>...which honestly doesn't matter unless you're trying to start your car in
>the dead of winter in Minnesota.
>For me, the Yellow Top was just the ticket,>
>-andrew






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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:20:23 -0700
From: "Lauren" <LPLand_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Air Conditioning




Maybe you all can give me  some advice about my A/C problems 
since this is such a "hot" topic (pun fully intended).

'Tis the season - we're facing 85 here and that means "hot" is just 
around the corner.  My A/C needs work but I wanted to have a better 
idea of what I might be facing before I take it somewhere.  

Here's the background.  When I bought the car last year and had it 
worked on the A/C really wasn't a priority so all EuroService did was 
to recharge with FR12 and tell me it wasn't really blowing very cold.  
His notes on the bill say:

Car has no a/c cooling.  Check and find no freon in system.  Trace 
leak to charging port schrader valve.  Replace valve core evacuate.  
Heald vacuum for 3 days.  Charge a/c with FR12.  Cold air from 
vents.   Vents in poor condition and air handling system in general 
needs attention.

I'm not anxious to take the car back to him, although for no 
particular reason other than he's frightfully expensive and slow, so I 
thought I'd take it somewhere else armed with whatever you all can 
guess at from my description.

Dave T especially,you seem to be a D guru and I value your intuition 
and opinion from my usual lurk mode.  

thanks guys...............LP  





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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:27:22 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: PRV Performance - Set me straight please


endotex23 wrote:

>Sorry Mate, I was unable to find the data you're refering to. If
>you're implying 20 year old petrol powered cars produce less
>emissions than modern ones <snip>
>  
>
Nope - read my post again. I was referring to the emissions created in 
the -manufacture- of these newer "cleaner" cars, compared to the 
emissions produced by a 20 year old car in the intervening 20 years. You 
can also

>Hey, you'll get no argument from me about that. It's what I meant when
>I said technology is a substitute for displacement. As for emissions
>I'm not familar with your standards so I'll have to plead ignorance.
>However, 4.5% CO is serious pollution by ours and neither physics nor
>the atmosphere changes across borders you know. 
>
You were the one advocating tuning to 4%, not me! :-)

>Well, your friend is right...sort of. I left out bore wash (another
>quaint Brit term) because I was under the impression you wanted
>maximum bang for your buck (err pound). And I did say in another post
>more power makes more wear. I'd argue 4% will cause wash but since
>he's a PRV specialist I'll give him this. 2% is not best power however
>and I thought that's what you were going for. 
>
The DeLorean is compromised in terms of Emissions, Power and Economy. 
Remove the Emissions side of the triangle, allow it to go to the level 
of a Euro-spec PRV and the Power increases quite dramatically, and the 
economy, on my car at least, actually improved too.

I also forgot to mention that much over 2% (set by the adjustment screw) 
and you get poor cold starting problems, unless you re-jig the CPR, but 
we went down that route and it didn't work well. BTW mixture isn't just 
set by the screw as you know, and as I said, I'm not tellin' exactly 
what we do :-)

BTW try www.veggievan.org - I haven't read these sites for a while 
though. However, I have some food for thought for you

http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/gmis9840.htm (specifically the 
last paragraph)
http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/gmis9841.htm (referred to in it)

Martin





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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 02:18:50 -0000
From: "painterdave72" <painterdave72_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Voltage problems still



Hey all I am stil having some voltage problems when all the accesories are 
on.. especially at night with the lights on.. if i put a window up or down the 
voltages drop considerably and the radio cuts out for  a second... the volt 
gauge goes down to like ten.. but when running it is up at thirteen or above 
usually.. i have a 150amp alternator from special t auto and a new battery.. 
the battery has never died.. it is just annoying when the radio cuts out and 
volts go down.. i have removed and cleaned the front frame ground and the 
ground to the motor mount and also ran a separate ground from the alternator 
to a valve cover... any suggestions?? thanks..Dave..vin 15275..








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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 04:32:11 -0000
From: "ryanjm10014" <ryanjm_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Northern California club 2005 kickoff event this Sunday



Hey everyone,

I wanted to post for the benefit of anyone in the San Francisco Bay
Area who may not have seen the posts on our club mailing list and
invite everyone out to our club kickoff event this Sunday at the
Rutherford Grill and Venge Vineyards in the Napa area. We'll be
catching up on winter stories (I've got plenty!), enjoying some great
food, and sampling some great wines, including Canvas Wines'
DMC-branded wines (as part of their partnership with DeLorean Motor
Company Texas). We'll be the first DeLorean group to venture out there.

We'll be meeting at 9:15am at European Car Service (380 freeway and El
Camino Real in San Bruno) for those who'd like to caravan, and at
11:30am at the Rutherford Grill in Rutherford for everyone else.

For more information, see the NCDMC club list
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ncdmc) or contact me. To RSVP if you
haven't already done so, please contact me at ryanjm_at_dml_cox.net.

Thanks, and I hope to see all you Bay Area folks this Sunday!

Ryan McCaffrey
#10014
NCDMC









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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:17:41 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: PRV Performance / 6 Speed trans



The place is called Michael's Motorsports. They perform the same work 
that GTO Racing/Engineering in the UK do. That means they can beef up 
the trans input shaft, install a Quaife ATB, and shove in a new gear 
kit that hangs the 6th forward gear right below 5th, where reverse 
would normally be.

http://www.michaelsmotorsports.com/6speedconversion.htm

I have no problems with sharing what I know. I don't feel the need to 
be the first to do something, just so I can try and somehow take 
credit, or feel needed when people ask me questions. I just want to 
go fast like everyone else. And in order for me to do that, I'd like 
someone to share some knowlege with me.

I've got 2 RHB5 turbos on the way. Whether I use them on the PRV, 
another engine, or just sell them off to someone who wants to build 
their own Island kit, I don't know. But I do know that I'd like some 
information here. If the building a *replica* Legend engine is cost 
prohibitive, I'd just like to know why? And if there is a modest way 
of gaining power out of the engine, I'd like to know how.

No, I don't expect to hit the high 11's on the quartermile. But I do 
want to pack a punch wherever I go. If someone can answer these 
questions, great. If not, that's fine, but let's not keep taunting 
everyone. 10+ years from now, most of these cars will likely be off 
the roads. So I'd like to enjoy the remaining time.

I need sources for forged pistons, rods, head gaskets, fuel/turbo 
maps, etc., and info on what the weak spots of the PRV are. And once 
and for all, how did Fred rig up Bias Control?

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> 
> I have spent extended periods of time looking through
> Fred's "black book".  Although the information in
> there is interesting from a historical point of view,
> and represents a lot of hard work by talented people,
> there was no "recipe" in there.  Even if you had that
> book, you would need to spend thousands of dollars to
> re-create a legend engine.  Keep in mind, I think the
> "S" option was supposed to retail for like $4000 in
> 1984.  Adjust for inflation, and it is not a cheap
> option to add.
> 
> And, with all due respect to Legend and Mr. Dellis,
> they had design limitations set by DMC and were
> working with base 1970's technology they were trying
> to bring up to 1980's technology.  It is 2005 now, and
> there are a lot more performance options available.
> 
> I have evaluated it OVER and OVER again.  YES you can
> get lots of HP from a PRV, but the cost of it is
> prohibitive.
> 
> 
> Are you going to share your information on converting
> a DMC gearbox to 6 speed with us??  I'd love to do
> this to my car.








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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:20:19 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: PRV Performance / 6 Speed trans


Oh, one more thing. What are all the designs that Legend used? Aside 
from 502, Dellis made mention of other designs, and I read an old DML 
post about a factory converted Alpine GTA V6 with two oil tanks in 
the engine compartment. Are there any more details on any of these 
designs?

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"








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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:33:40 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: PRV Performance - Set me straight please



>And welcome everyone, to the wonderful world of DeLorean ownership!
>
>Since 1981, DeLorean owners have been patiently been waiting for 
>aftermarket support for their engines, rather than deal with the 
>guilt/cost of a motor swap. And since this time, we've been taunted 
>by a slew of people who lay down claims that these motors can be 
>tuned, and can crank out the coupious amounts of power that we've all 
>been wanting. But noooooooo. Everyone witholds this information from 
>us, citing "trade secrets", and "business practices".
>  
>
Well, with a bit of research you could do what I do for a lot less than 
I do it. It'll take may nights of reading manuals, tracking down those 
manuals in the first place, then trying to find the parts they refer to. 
This is my investment, as is the hours spent testing, getting it wrong, 
testing some more, phoning people who know more than me but who don't 
have any experience of what I'm trying to do, and so on and so on.

But you could do it, if you wanted to. Hell, I'll even sell you the 
parts at cost. I just won't tell you what to do with them.

Martin





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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:06:28 -0600 (CST)
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>
Subject: Re: Battery Question


On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Chris Almy wrote:

> You can then go circuit by circuit to track the leak.

Done it.  Twice.  It's everywhere.  Someday I'll invest the time necessary 
to do some more major work on the electrical system, but in the meantime, 
the deep cycle battery is just the right kind of insurance.

> In fact considering my D currently uses 23mA...

I con't recall the exact figure, but mine's somewhere in the 80s, so you 
can see why a battery doesn't last too long when it sits.

-andrew





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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 05:13:01 -0000
From: "stainlessilusion" <5n-_at_dml_gmx.net>
Subject: Re: Voltage problems still


I have the same problem, when I hold the window switch down for longer
after the window is already down, my stereo turns off until I let off
the switch-but not all the time. I'd imagine this is the factory
wiring or ground problem? -----Dani B. #5003




> 
> Hey all I am stil having some voltage problems when all the
accesories are 
> on.. especially at night with the lights on.. if i put a window up
or down the 
> voltages drop considerably and the radio cuts out for  a second...





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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:46:17 +0100 (MET)
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
Subject: Re: Voltage problems still



Yes, clean also the other wires called +12V !

Ground is just 50% of it. start with the alternator connection,
starter, electronic-box in the engine compartment - where the 
+12V are fed thru the fire-wall to the relay compartment.
then of course replace all the oxidised fuses, don't forget
to clean the battery connections....

I am not sure at the moment if the jump start post feeds the +12V 
thru the pontoon into the car, too. 
Make sure all of them are clean and tight.

Elvis


> 
> 
> Hey all I am stil having some voltage problems when all the accesories are
> on.. especially at night with the lights on..... any suggestions?? thanks..Dave..vin 15275..





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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:43:38 -0000
From: "vin00538" <lawrencesr_at_dml_netzero.net>
Subject: 1st Place De Lorean _at_dml_ Auto Rama


Okay now everyone I'm Pleased to let you know that My 
DeLorean Took 1st plase in it's class _at_dml_ the Auto Rama March  
4-6 out of 32 other cars in this class the judges like my display & 
interactive kindness with the spectators who had questions. Not 
to mention The car they loved it, They just keeped on coming 
back to check it out. I'm Horse after 3 Days of explaining 
answers like " Now that you have it stripped to the metal What 
color will you paint it ?" or  "what did you take the Ford engine out 
& put in a V-6." Or Were's the flux capacitor? my reply to the last 
one was At universal studios on loan, their's broke down. As to 
the croweds of spectators , there were so many The show 
posted a guard by my display, I had one crazy moment when a 
mentally challanged person saw my car, jumped over the ropes 
& franticly tried to start my car as I grabbed his arm & got him out 
of the Delorean. He was yelling that it was 5 minutes to 4 & Doc 
Brown told him to be there by 4 pm.  The guards even had a good 
laugh, But, when all was done, the guy had cranked the car over 
and the front fasica had hit my table with all my sunstar cars, 
books, & my apple computer, the bumper has scrapes & after 
getting my computer back from the repair shop just before the 
show it was broke again when the monitor hit the floor. any way  
the crowd of people were great & pretty much  kept there hands 
off the car,  I' post some pics of the show for all to look at.
Thanks Lawrence








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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 16:54:51 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <dmc6960_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: PRV Performance / 6 Speed trans



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_c...> wrote:

> The place is called Michael's Motorsports. They perform the same work 
> that GTO Racing/Engineering in the UK do. That means they can beef up 
> the trans input shaft, install a Quaife ATB, and shove in a new gear 
> kit that hangs the 6th forward gear right below 5th, where reverse 
> would normally be.
> 
> http://www.michaelsmotorsports.com/6speedconversion.htm


Curious, if the 6th gear goes where reverse is, how to you drive
backwards?  This is a fascinating procedure, but their webpage for the
conversion was last updated 2 years ago.  Have you called them to
confirm they are actually doing this and that it will work on the
DeLorean's transmission? What about cost?

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC6960








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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:06:18 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Air Conditioning



It sounds like he got your A/C going. If he did manage to find and fix
the leak there is not much more for you to do. I change the service
valves "just because" whenever I service a system. Be sure he replaced
the caps over the service valves to prevent leaks and keep them clean.
 I like the brass ones, the plastic ones won't hold pressure. It would
have been nice if he at least checked the oil level in the compressor.
Better yet would have been to change it but my philosophy is the less
you open a system the better so if it isn't leaking now and it blows
cold, just enjoy it. Make sure the belt to the compressor is in good
condition and tight. Replace the idler pulley bearings if you don't
know when they were last changed. You could make sure the condensor
coil is clean. About the only other maintainence is to make sure the
mode switch isn't hissing. There really isn't too much you have to do
on a working A/C system. To check it just stick a thermometer in a
vent while it is running. You should see a 20 degree delta T. That
means if the air going in to the A/C is 80 it should come out around
70. You should also hear the compressor cycle often.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Lauren" <LPLand_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe you all can give me  some advice about my A/C problems 
> since this is such a "hot" topic (pun fully intended).
> 
> 'Tis the season - we're facing 85 here and that means "hot" is just 
> around the corner.  My A/C needs work but I wanted to have a better 
> idea of what I might be facing before I take it somewhere.  
> 
> Here's the background.  When I bought the car last year and had it 
> worked on the A/C really wasn't a priority so all EuroService did was 
> t....LP








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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:09:27 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Voltage problems still



You still have dirty/corroded connections and/or your alternator is
not putting out rated capacity. Make sure the belt is not slipping and
have the alternator checked for output. Many shops will test your
alternator and battery for free. Try Sears.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "painterdave72" <painterdave72_at_dml_y...>
wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey all I am stil having some voltage problems when all the
accesories are 
> on.. especially at night with the lights on.. if i put a window up
or down the 
> voltages drop considerably and the radio cuts out for  a second...
ns?? thanks..Dave..vin 15275..








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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:44:19 -0500
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net>
Subject: Erik Geerdink's Frame Swap and Cincy St. Pat's Parade Plans...


Hey Guys,

Shannon Yocom just posed a good question to me, so I thought I'd relay 
it to the groups.  Since the weatherpeople are saying that the 
temperature is gonna dip down this coming tech session in Cincinnati 
weekend, he wanted to know if Ken's warehouse (where we'll be working) 
is heated.  It is indeed!  To around 72 degrees, at an enormous cost per 
month...it also has air conditioning, just in case the weatherpeople are 
idiots.

If anyone has any questions, let me know.  I can provide an address and 
directions if needed.  Also, it looks like Erik will be bringing his 
project down Thursday evening, so anyone who wants to and can come over 
and participate anytime Friday, feel free!  E-mail me off list, if you 
need directions. (jhaldeman(AT)fuse.net)

Thanks,
Josh









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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:51:19 +0000
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Early VIN Door Key Replicas!?


My  brother replaced the bulb with a white LED.  Quite bright, & will last a 
LONG time.  I think he also put in a bat. that lasts almost forever, too.    
       Drive Stainless    Robert  VIN 6924



From: "brandelorean" <brandelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: [DML] Re: Early VIN Door Key Replicas!?

I have an original Delorean key with the light bulb in it.
Everything is connected but the bulb is blown.





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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:40:27 -0000
From: "secret_jedi_guy" <secret_jedi_guy_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: PRV Performance



I've been following this thread for a while and it is starting to 
get a little bit ugly.  However, I am going to have to agree with 
Robert on this one.  If you say you can get a good amount of power 
out of the engine then prove it.  It is easy for me SAY that my 
engine outputs 250 bhp without turbo or supercharging it, and since 
no one else but me drives my car everyone else has no choice but to 
take my word for it and ask me how I did it only for me to say 
that's gonna cost you.  

We are all in the same boat (most of us) with the PRV and would like 
to get some horsepower without swapping the engine and trans.  This 
car is unique and the PRV is one of those things that makes it 
unique, but the 130 HP in today's world of driving is not enough.  I 
got forced off of the freeway on Saturday because I couldn't get 
around an 18 wheeler fast enough and he started to move over and 
couldn't see me.  

DMCH will swap my current engine with a new crate PRV with their 
stage mods for $6225.  I went to a Bill Heard Chevy in Vegas a 
couple of months ago and they said that they would give me an 
automatic Corvette trans and a 350 ci HO Deluxe engine (completely 
assembled, carb, water pump, belts, etc.) for $5000.  This engine is 
actually physically smaller than the PRV  but gives me 350 HP.  For 
a new engine and trans that gives more HP at a lower cost than a new 
Stage 2 PRV and no new transmission, I will gladly deviate from 
stock.  And I can even tune that engine to get me 400 HP without 
turbo charging it in any way.

I would be perfectly content with my PRV if I could get it past the 
210 hp mark and someone would say how, but until then, I'm probably 
gonna dump it and sell it.

Japheth VIN: 1223








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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:44:53 +0000
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Air Conditioning


I picked up several cans of Freeze 12 at a Flea Market for $3/ea. I 
understand it is compatable with R-12 in the system.  I will not convert to 
134A.   Drive Stainless    Robert VIN 6924



From: Todd Nelson <tan5732_at_dml_rit.edu>
Subject: [DML] Air Conditioning

I assume this will be a relatively simple question to answer as most of you 
have had to do this at some time or another.  My question is, what is 
involved with restoring the air conditioning system.  I'm guessing you would 
have to dispose of the old R12 Freon and switch to 134A, right? 





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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 05:43:23 -0000
From: "usndmc" <usndmc_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Northern California club 2005 kickoff event this Sunday


Am I the only one that thinks DMC brand wine is a bit silly? Maybe 
there is some actual story or underlying connection from the past in 
it that makes it less random? Or is DMC, or DMCH?, slowly trying to 
become Walmart? I don't know, perhaps I'm just missing the 
connection.

Dave
#5968


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "ryanjm10014" <ryanjm_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I wanted to post for the benefit of anyone in the San Francisco Bay
> Area who may not have seen the posts on our club mailing list and
> invite everyone out to our club kickoff event this Sunday at the
> Rutherford Grill and Venge Vineyards in the Napa area. We'll be
> catching up on winter stories (I've got plenty!), enjoying some 
great
> food, and sampling some great wines, including Canvas Wines'
> DMC-branded wines (as part of their partnership with DeLorean Motor
> Company Texas). We'll be the first DeLorean group to venture out 
there.





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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 05:53:35 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: PRV Performance (Rick)


Do you live near a club or one of the show venues? Having introduced
yourself online, you might enjoy meeting owners (and their PRV's) in
person. DCS 2006 (Chicago) should have a significant variety of PRV
mods as well as stock configurations in attendance. An engine rebuild
competition as part of the show is in the works. Vendors will be there
with merchandise. The website will give you an idea of what to expect:
http://www.deloreancarshow.com

Vendors will also be at SEDOC 2005 (Atlanta). Rob Grady is often at
Mid Atlantic (New York/New Jersey) Spring & Fall each year. DMC
Houston is hosting an open house this June. DMC Florida has a grand
opening this month. The Pennsylvania/Ohio crew aren't official
vendors, but they do sell stuff and get together quite regularly.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <rdevaux_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> 
> 
> All this Volvo owner wants is to enjoy driving his car.  Enjoyment 
> includes a degree of performance balanced with reliability.  If there 
> are ways to change the B28F from 130 hp to a B28 with more torque and 
> hp then I'm interested............  Thanks again!!  And keep the recommendations coming!!  Rick








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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 06:15:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Turbo PRV.


I think if there was a reliable modest way to gain
power, we would *ALL* have done it already.  With that
said, you can go ahead and change the pistons and rods
in your PRV and bolt up the turbos.  You will probably
like the end result, but it sure would suck to blow
the engine up after you have spent all of that money. 
I have considered doing this myself a number of times,
especially because I already have the Island setup...
But always go back to the point where I ask why I
would spend so much money on 30 year old technology?

I am not taunting anyone.  I am not a turbo expert by
any means, heck I am barley a turbo amateur!  I know
just what I have learned about turbos (on the DeLorean
only) from talking to people like Rob and Fred about
it.  If you have the cash to spend on a Hi-Po PRV,
give John Lane a call.  He seems to be *THE* north
American PRV expert.  

Based on what I saw, the designs were similar.  The
Alpine (310's I think) were fitted with the Twin Turbo
engine, similar to what is currently in 502 and 1860.

There were some pictures Fred had of other concepts,
but they were all foam mock ups of possible manifolds
and component layout.

Best of my knowledge, the only configurations Legend
built were the twin turbo (502) and a single turbo
(528). The single turbo came AFTER the twin turbo in
an effort to reduce the cost.  Although I have spent
time looking over 528, I have never heard it run so I
don't know if it was a stock PRV with turbos bolted
on, or it was a modified PRV with just the one turbo
instead of 2.  

The Legend engines do not run as quiet at the stock
PRV.  You can hear some piston slap. 

As far as specific answers to your questions (sourcing
parts, and such), My plan would be to rebuild your PRV
using parts from a Alpine, or maybe even a Venturi. 
Those pistons/rings/rods/head gaskets all worked well
with forced induction..  Legend had planned on a
electronic boost control (I think 502 has this), but
1860 has a vacuum based control with a threaded rod to
adjust the waste gate (My guess is this is how they
dyno-tested the engines).


--- therealdmcvegas <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net> wrote:
<SNIP>
> I've got 2 RHB5 turbos on the way. Whether I use
> them on the PRV, 
> another engine, or just sell them off to someone who
> wants to build 
> their own Island kit, I don't know. But I do know
> that I'd like some 
> information here. If the building a *replica* Legend
> engine is cost 
> prohibitive, I'd just like to know why? And if there
> is a modest way 
> of gaining power out of the engine, I'd like to know
> how.
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"





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