From: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 2524
Date: Friday, March 18, 2005 9:09 PM


There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Engine Support Questions
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

2. Alternator
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

3. PRV6 questions: history & namesake?
From: ComposerZelgadis_at_dml_aol.com

4. i need a cheap delorean
From: "stretch" <mister_rodger_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. Re: help! newbie getting horrible gas mileage
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

6. RE: Blue Book Value
From: "Michael C. Babb" <mcbabb_at_dml_gmail.com>

7. Used DPNW Door Lock Actuator kit for sale
From: "Patrick C." <PRC1216_at_dml_aol.com>

8. NY Times.
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. RE: PRV6 questions: history & namesake?
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

10. NYtimes article
From: Peter Lenz <plenz_at_dml_telesession.com>

11. Re: Blue Book Value
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

12. Re: Re: DMC Delorean Headlight Covers Now 119.99
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayfw_at_dml_charter.net>

13. RE: Nitrous
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_verizon.net>

14. Charlotte, NC 3/25 get together
From: "Louie" <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

15. Re: help! newbie getting horrible gas mileage
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

16. John DeLorean
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: NY Times
From: "Louie" <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

18. Re: i need a cheap delorean
From: "ryanpwright" <yahoo1_at_dml_ryanwright.com>

19. Re: R12A
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>

20. Jan van de Wouw
From: Jake Kamphoefner <jakekamp_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>

21. Re: John DeLorean
From: "James" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:15:47 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Support Questions



>From what I can see in the pictures the rust is not all that bad. I
don't see any spots actually rusted through. I do see heavy surface
rust and areas where the epoxy cracked off. It does not appear that
you will have to replace any metal but only actual on-site inspection
can tell you that. The way I would proceed, if it was my car, would be
to disassemble the front end. Crack off all the loose epoxy and tap on
the frame to find any thin spots. Assuming the metal is not thin I
would grind off as much rust as I could and then coat with POR-15 or
something like it to passivate the surface. Then repaint with grey
paint. Clean up and repaint all the front end parts and reassemble.
Luckily the front is not too bad. Look over the entire frame and
remove any loose epoxy and repaint. Pay particular attention around
the brake and clutch master cylinders. When they leak the brake fluid
softens the epoxy and it comes loose from the frame. Empty the fuel
tank and take off the plate so you can inspect the area better. If you
are really ambitious it wouldn't hurt to remove the fuel tank so you
can inspect more of the frame properly.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Todd Nelson <tan5732_at_dml_r...> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the reply, I have posted some more pictures of the front
frame 
> extension, seems to me like it is in need of some work.  From the
pictures 
odd








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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:09:40 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: Alternator



Group,
A lot of you may know when you purchase one of my alternators it 
comes with a free belt, DMM, #161 battery light and 24/7 support. 
But you didn't know that until you got one. I started giving a free 
DMM and a belt about a year ago so people wouldn't forget to get a 
new belt. If the alternator belt breaks it will also render the 
water pump usless.So, by giving a new belt you would either have an 
extra new one or old one. 
So, to enhance the sales and let you know what I do before you buy 
one I took a picture of the alternator package.
For some of you international buyers I will sometimes throw in a 
regulator so if it goes out you will have one without having to wait 
for me to send you one or look for one in your country. I have also 
enhanced the regulator plug on all alternators to help make the 
regulator last longer and handle the spikes better.
I'm showing the D140, my #1 seller at the top of the page, but every 
thing also comes with the D110 and the D150. 
If I forgot to put the DMM and belt in the package, then email me 
and I will send you one.
We have now sold over 200 of them all over the world and I 
appreciate the support.
John Hervey
    http://www.specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/alternators.html








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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:27:06 EST
From: ComposerZelgadis_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: PRV6 questions: history & namesake?


I have some newbie questions regarding the PRV6.  :)
 
First off, who initially designed it?  Which company came up with  the design 
in the first place?  Did all three companies get together, and  design it as 
a joint-project?  Or did one company design it, and then  licensed it out?  
Who makes the DeLorean engine?  Volvo?   Peugeot?  Renault?  Is it a mixture 
(some DeLoreans got Volvos, others  got Renaults?)?  Why do some people on this 
list call it the B-28F when I  see V-28F in my shop manual?  Is this simply a 
typo (the V and B keys are  next to each other)?
 
Thanks in advance for any replies.  I know a little bit about how the  engine 
works, its performance, etc etc...  But I never really learned much  about 
its history or heritage!  :)
 
Regards,
William F.


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:12:21 -0000
From: "stretch" <mister_rodger_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: i need a cheap delorean



hi folks, new guy here.  I'd like to be a part of the community, but
first of all i'd like a delorean.  I want one for the experience of
repairing it (ok, not only for that reason), so i'd like it as cheap
as possible.  if time is money, i'd rather spend time at this point,
since i have more of that. :)

stretch








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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:23:50 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: help! newbie getting horrible gas mileage



The automatic does not do as good as the 5-speed. Especially if there
is a lot of highway driving. The 5-speed has much better gearing for
higher speeds. With a lot of highway driving the automatic can get as
much as 25 MPG. The automatic will do better in traffic than a
5-speed, but not by much. Depending on driving conditions and if you
are using the A/C it can go as low as 15 MPG. Temperature and warm-up
affects mileage too. You will have worse mileage in the winter till it
warms up  so if you have a lot of short trips it is always warming up.
Kind of balances not running the A/C. Check the air pressure in the
tires and maybe consider a 4 wheel alignment. Empty the trunk. Extra
weight will affect mileage. On the subject of timing make sure the
vacuum AND mechanical advance are working. Vacuum leaks can also hurt
gas mileage.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I wouldn't say I do real city driving with stop & go stuff or open 
>








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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:27:23 -0500
From: "Michael C. Babb" <mcbabb_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Blue Book Value


Not sure about Kelly Blue Book value, but NADA has the cars listed under
their exotics section (same values for all three years):

Low Retail: $9,050
Average Retail: $17,400
High Retail: $27,500

And don't forget this part:

"MODELS PROFESSIONALLY RESTORED OR REFURBISHED BY DELOREAN MOTOR COMPANY
MAY BRING A CONSIDERABLE PREMIUM (UP TO 30%) OVER VALUES LISTED."

-----Original Message-----
Subject: [DML] Blue Book Value

I am just curious if anyone knows the current blue book value on 
these cars.  Just for fun.  I'm not looking at selling mine, put too 
much work into it.  Does it vary from year to year or are they just 
about the same.








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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:45:22 -0000
From: "Patrick C." <PRC1216_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Used DPNW Door Lock Actuator kit for sale



Hey all,
   I have decided to return my car to a stock wiring setup and have
decided to sell my DPNW door lock actuator kit.  These sell for $99
new, all I am asking for is $50 plus shipping.  These have been in my
car for around 3 months.  I will include instructions and all of the
wiring and relays needed.  This is a very nice upgrade which lightens
the doors and takes some strain and stress off of the torsion bars as
well.  The one thing you must make sure of is that your door lock
module is working correctly.  If not, you may need to replace those
relays with what Toby at delorean-parts.com sells (for $10 I believe).
 If you are interested in buying my kit, shoot me an email at
PRC1216(at)aol.com

Patrick C.
1880








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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:37:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: NY Times.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/18/automobiles/18delorean.html


Putting a Car of the Future Back on the Road
By STEVEN KURUTZ 

Published: March 18, 2005


In the dim half-light of a Long Island garage, a
handful of DeLoreans stand in darkened corners or
suspended on hydraulic lifts, their trademark
gull-wing doors ajar, their stainless-steel silver
shells still ultramodern more than two decades after
the DeLorean Motor Company went bust. Visible through
a dusty window in the parking lot outside, perhaps 20
more DeLoreans, lined up and identical, sit waiting,
like some surreal automotive dream.

This is P. J. Grady's, a modest gray automotive garage
tucked behind a used-car lot in West Sayville, N.Y. As
the sign on its roof - DeLorean Motor Cars -
indicates, the shop specializes in the repair and
restoration of DeLoreans, the famous and doomed
early-1980's sports car created by John Z. DeLorean
and featured in the "Back to the Future" movies. 

It is estimated that around 9,200 DeLoreans were built
in the car's three years of production, 1981 through
1983, and that about 7,000 are left. Of those, a good
number have passed through the hands of Rob Grady, P.
J. Grady's tall, thin, intensely focused owner, who
has spent the past 20 years as one of the foremost of
the world's few DeLorean experts. DeLorean owners from
Maine to Florida send him their cars, and in a small
garage that was once part of his family's General
Motors dealership, Mr. Grady fixes engines, locates
obscure parts, fabricates what he can't find and
restores long-neglected DeLoreans so they can turn
heads once more. 

For many years, P. J. Grady's was about as profitable
as an Edsel dealership, but that has changed. The
teenagers who saw "Back to the Future" 20 years ago
and were fascinated by the film's time-traveling
DeLorean are now grown and seeking out the
low-sweeping coupe. At the same time, the car is
approaching its 25th birthday, a benchmark in the
collector market. Where once values hovered around
$17,000, a restored DeLorean now runs close to
$30,000. 

"In the last five or six years the values have gone
way up," said James Espey, vice president of the
DeLorean Motor Company in Houston, which bought the
rights to the DeLorean brand and sells restored
models. "The car is coming into its own."

It was long believed that DeLorean parts could not be
found, so many cars were garaged, but Mr. Espey's firm
bought the entire DMC parts inventory - everything
from body panels to nuts, bolts and washers. Mr. Espey
estimates that the company has enough gull-wing doors
to last 120 years at the current rate of use, and
enough interior carpet to cover a football field twice
over. This month, the company opened a second branch
near Tampa, Fla. And two shops near Los Angeles,
DeLorean Motor Center and DeLorean One, serve the West
Coast as P. J. Grady's serves the East. 

Of the handful of DeLorean specialists, P. J. Grady's
is the oldest, going back to 1979, when Mr. Grady
became one of the original DeLorean dealers. For the
sum of $25,000 he received the right to sell the
line's one and only model, the DMC-12, and a poster of
the car autographed by Mr. DeLorean, which still
decorates his office, where Mr. Grady was joined on a
recent afternoon by his wife, Debby, who handles the
phone, and a DeLorean enthusiast named Mike Deluca. 

Like many dealers, Mr. Grady signed up based on the
reputation of Mr. DeLorean, who had been an
engineering and marketing star at G.M. - in the early
1960's he created the Pontiac GTO, which many consider
the first muscle car - and left at the height of his
career to challenge the Big Three automakers. But from
the start, his company was besieged with problems,
starting with too little money to work with and the
fact that the car, priced at $25,000, made its debut
in 1981 in one of the worst economies in recent
memory. "The cars were never hot sellers," Mr. Grady
said. 

Topping it off was Mr. DeLorean's very public arrest
in 1982 for conspiracy to distribute cocaine, still a
sore spot with DeLorean enthusiasts. (Mr. DeLorean was
eventually acquitted; the prevailing sentiment among
owners is that he was framed.) When the company filed
for bankruptcy protection that year, Mr. Grady
continued to honor his customers' service warranties.
Over time, he found himself doing more and more repair
work on DeLoreans, until that was all he did. 

Not surprisingly, he has developed an affection for
the car, though it is a cool, dispassionate one,
tempered by years of daily involvement. "It's a good
car," he said simply. 

Mr. Deluca, hovering nearby, said: "Rob is being
modest. He's completely dedicated. I was driving by
once and it was Easter Sunday. It was freezing. Rob
was out in the parking lot testing temperature
sensors." 

In a far corner of the garage, the P. J. Grady's
mechanic, Pat Tomasetti, stood in blue coveralls
beneath a DeLorean on a hydraulic lift, draining oil
and listening to NPR. Mr. Tomasetti has been repairing
and restoring DeLoreans at P. J. Grady's for 13 years
and is accustomed to overenthusiastic fans of the car.
He laughed as he recalled the time a Japanese man
showed up with his family, saying he had flown to
America to visit Disney World and P. J. Grady's. 

The DeLorean Mr. Tomasetti was working on had come in
from Pennsylvania and was set to have its front fender
replaced, among other repairs. Another DeLorean, its
door crunched like a soda can, was in need of
extensive body work. Outside, dozens more waited, a
daunting workload for two men. 

"I'd like another mechanic, but it's hard keeping
them," Mr. Grady said. "Most guys don't like doing
restoration work. It's dirty, and there's also the
repetition." 

People who spend time around garages tend to acquire a
detailed know-how of car design and mechanics, but
DeLorean experts take specialization to a refined
level. Because of its unpainted stainless-steel body,
the DMC-12 was available in only one color, silver.
Its interior was black leather or gray leather,
nothing else, and the car changed little over its
brief production run. 

So while the Corvette aficionado has a half-century of
paint schemes, body types and fancy options to ponder,
the DeLorean lover must be content with trivial
changes - the radio antenna on the '81 models is in
the windshield, for example, while on the '82 it is on
the left rear quarter. 

Pointing to a model whose license plate read BK2DFUTR,
Mr. Grady proceeded to make the indistinguishable cars
distinguishable. "We just got this one out of
mothballs," he said. "It sat for four years. The owner
decided to sell it. It only has 11,000 miles." 

He continued: "That one over there was in a wreck.
Needs a new door." Then he walked over to a car
covered in a soft blanket of dust. The passenger
window was stuck halfway down, and the seat was given
over to orphaned parts. Mr. Grady's pupils widened, as
if he were laying eyes on a DeLorean for the very
first time. "This is the 530," he said reverently.
"It's a Legend prototype, Twin Turbo. They only made
three of these." 

The 530 is going to be restored as his own DeLorean,
Mr. Grady said, just as soon as he finds the time.
"Sometimes you get a little burned out," he mused,
reflecting on the vagaries of being a DeLorean expert.
"Then something rejuvenates you." 




		
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:47:38 -0600
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: PRV6 questions: history & namesake?


William, I have a reference paper that will tell you all about your
questions. It's on the web site and I can send you a copy.
John Hervey
  http://www.specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/images/delo-ireland.jpg




-----Original Message-----
From: ComposerZelgadis_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:ComposerZelgadis_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 5:27 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] PRV6 questions: history & namesake?




I have some newbie questions regarding the PRV6.  :)

First off, who initially designed it?  Which company came up with  the
design
in the first place?  Did all three companies get together, and  design it as
a joint-project?  Or did one company design it, and then  licensed it out?
Who makes the DeLorean engine?  Volvo?   Peugeot?  Renault?  Is it a mixture
(some DeLoreans got Volvos, others  got Renaults?)?  Why do some people on
this
list call it the B-28F when I  see V-28F in my shop manual?  Is this simply
a
typo (the V and B keys are  next to each other)?

Thanks in advance for any replies.  I know a little bit about how the
engine
works, its performance, etc etc...  But I never really learned much  about
its history or heritage!  :)

Regards,
William F.







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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:19:40 -0500
From: Peter Lenz <plenz_at_dml_telesession.com>
Subject: NYtimes article


Link to The NY Times article on DeLoreans!  Great picture of Rob Grady with 
the car-- and comments from both Rob Grady and Jim Espey!  CONGRATS guys!

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/18/automobiles/18delorean.html?








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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:33:24 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Blue Book Value



Don't forget that a while back James Espey told us that Blue Book
contacted DMCH and based these values on much of the information
provided by DMCH. Blue Book does not use one source exclusivly, ie,
they also follow sales at auctions and they contact appraisers to help
set market values. Value is mainly determined by condition, the model
year will have a very small, if any, effect. More important is the
closer it is kept to it's origional condition, generally, the more
valuable. For instance, if it is a very early car it "should" have a
grooved hood with a fuel flap and a windscreen antennae. Mileage is
probably a bigger factor than model year. If you really want to know
what your car is worth you might consider a professional apprasiel for
your insurance company. I am sure NADA looks at Blue Book and Blue
Book looks at NADA so they are usually similar. This is also one of
the purposes of a judging concours and a rulebook. This does A LOT to
help appraisers determine condition and therefore value. In effect the
concours winners are a benchmark against which other cars are valued.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Michael C. Babb" <mcbabb_at_dml_g...> wrote:
> 
> Not sure about Kelly Blue Book value, but NADA has the cars listed under
> their exotics section (same values for all three years):
> 
> Low Retail: $9,050
> Average Retail: $17,400
> High Retail: $27,500
> 
> And don't forget this part:
> 
> "MODELS PROFESSIONALLY RESTORED OR REFURBISHED BY DELOREAN MOTOR COMPANY
> MAY BRING A CONSIDERABLE PREMIUM (UP TO 30%) OVER VALUES LISTED."
> 
> 








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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:32:39 -0800
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayfw_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: Re: Re: DMC Delorean Headlight Covers Now 119.99


Hi Tamir,
    I am not clear as to HOW the headlight covers are fastened...You mention 
the old Velcro based ones fall off, but they DO have an adhesive backing, 
but then you say the new ones have an adhesive too and some kind of 
fasteners.   Do these press on, snap on, twist on?  What?   Can they easily 
be taken off for a night on the town and put back on in the morning time 
after time?  Does something SHOW (and where) when they are NOT on?   Thanks
Murray
Vin: 05962
Lic:  DMC-XII 






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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:02:32 -0500
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Nitrous


I was just starting to look into this myself and would also like to hear of
any installations.

Dave Sontos 

-----Original Message-----
From: drdhdmd [mailto:doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:32 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Nitrous

Has anyone on this list actually used nitrous in their DeLorean?

If so what where the results?

If not why not?

Dē & 6530

BTW how can one search the archives effectively?







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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:40:44 -0000
From: "Louie" <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Charlotte, NC 3/25 get together



Hi group,

I just wanted to pass on that there is going to be a small get 
together at my place in downtown Charlotte next Friday the 25th. 
Farrar Hudkins, a long time DML member, will be in town and we've 
decided to descend upon him with a storm of DeLoreans LOL! So far 
we've got six owners confirmed: myself, Bill Robertson, Jeff 
Friday,  Andy Grum, Jason Perkins, and Joe Palatinus. We don't have 
any terribly elaborate plans because we're a laid back bunch, but 
basically we're meeting up at my place in the early afternoon to 
tinker with cars, and will be going to various other owners homes to 
do the same. I just wanted to extend the invitation to anyone else 
(owner or not) who would be interested in coming. Drop me a line and 
I'll give you directions and my number.

Louie Golden
VIN 5252 Charlotte, NC








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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:41:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: help! newbie getting horrible gas mileage


It's been years since I had my auto tranny DeLorean,
but your mileage does not seem terribly bad.  Town
driving can vary a heck of a lot depending upon your
local town traffic patterns.  I beleive I got a tad
more than that, but not a lot.  

As to highway, remember, in Drive your ratio is the
same as the manual in 4th!  In other words, you do not
have "overdrive/5th".  

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867


--- Enid/Jeremiah <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Not trying to hi-jack this thread or digress, but
> this
> brings up something I've been meaning to ask.  For
> all
> you AUTO TRANNY owners, what is your average mpg? 
> Mine on the road is 14mpg, and on the highway is
> about
> 21mpg.  
> 
> Full tuneup has been done - heck full everything
> from
> the "valley of death" up has been cleaned, rebuilt
> or
> replaced.  The only thing in my fuel system not new
> is
> the cold start valve, and I know it's working.  Air
> in
> tires, air filter, etc, etc - typical AAA stuff
> done. 
> Timing is on - everything as far as I know is
> copasetic; I like to think of my mpg as being
> "ideal"
> for an auto tranny unless something is seriously
> off.
> 
> Jeremiah





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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:19:33 -0500
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: John DeLorean


The news of John Delorean appears to be all about today.
 
To put it in my words 
 
A good personal friend and a person we all have admired for years John Z DeLorean did in fact suffer a stroke yesterday.  He is resting comfortably in the hospital but his recovery is not anticipated.
 
I spoke with Kathryn and a few other of Johns friends and gave them my and my familys sympathy with the news.  John has been in poor health as you all knew but he is still hanging on at this moment.
 
John has been  a good friend to us over the years and the times he has shared with all of you that met him I am sure will be cherished.
 
I will keep  you updated as I get information.  
 
 
Please do not call me on this I have had so many calls so far.  The above is all the news we have at this point.
The hostpital notice will follow as soon as we are sure what needs to be done and where to send things.
 
Ken
 


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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:34:39 -0000
From: "Louie" <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: NY Times



What a great article. Finally some media that is not only wholly 
positive about the man and the car, but also has no incorrect facts 
or over dramatizations of the truth. It looks like indeed the tides 
are finally beginning to change for our car's legacy. Kudos to the 
Times, Rob, and Mike. This is exactly the kind of stuff our marque 
needs more of.

Louie Golden
VIN 5252 Charlotte, NC








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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:36:00 -0000
From: "ryanpwright" <yahoo1_at_dml_ryanwright.com>
Subject: Re: i need a cheap delorean



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "stretch" <mister_rodger_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> 
> hi folks, new guy here.  I'd like to be a part of the community, but
> first of all i'd like a delorean.  I want one for the experience of
> repairing it (ok, not only for that reason), so i'd like it as cheap
> as possible.  if time is money, i'd rather spend time at this point,
> since i have more of that. :)
> 
> stretch

I suggest you wait until you are more financially secure. Time is not
enough to repair or work on a DeLorean. You need money. If you buy a
cheap DeLorean, you need lots of money, and a steady supply of it.

A DeLorean is a $20,000 car. Almost anyone who has bought one has
found that out. You can buy a $20k DeLorean and make inexpensive,
normal repairs to it just like any other car. Or you can buy a $10k
DeLorean and put another $10k into it. However, generally speaking,
the cheaper your DeLorean is, the more you will put into it even above
the "magic" $20k mark. If you buy an $8k DeLorean you'll probably put
another $20k into it and tons and tons of time before it's "good enough". 

If you buy a "cheap" DeLorean for $12k-$15k, you'll be OK so long as:

1. You are willing and capable of doing all your own work. This means
you have a shop stocked with good tools. If you don't have good tools,
plan on spending $100-$300 extra per repair on tools for awhile.

2. You have a steady supply of cash. You should have, at a minimum,
$300+ per month in disposable income. That doesn't mean you'll spend
$300 every month on the car. It means 3 months down the road something
will break and you'll have to buy $900+ worth of parts to fix it. 

See, here's the deal: Every part on a "cheap" DeLorean is about 24
years old now. Most 24 year old parts don't work anymore. When they
do, they don't work for long. You'll replace the entire cooling
system, fuel system, brakes & hydraulics, clutch & hydraulics, tires,
suspension, etc, almost immediately after purchase, and that's just
off the top of my head. We're talking $5-6k in parts already and we
haven't even addressed the engine, doors, or any cosmetics.

I've had my DeLorean less than a year. I've spent somewhere between 6
and 8 thousand dollars on it in that year not including the initial
purchase price. I'm about to spend another $1200 or so on parts in a
few weeks. And I didn't buy a piece of crap; I found a very nice car,
bought it from the original owner and it was well taken care of. But
he didn't drive it often so the parts were still 24 years old. 

I drive it every day and it hasn't let me down yet. But it requires a
lot of money in the beginning.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is: There is no cheap DeLorean. It
doesn't exist. If you want one, you need to be financially prepared
for it's care and feeding.









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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:35:20 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: R12A



I wouldn't reccomend it. The reason that it mixes with Freon so well,
and has such an ability to cool better is because it's PROPANE! Of
course they won't say that on the canisters. You have to read the fine
print, and it'll say that it's a "hydro-carbon blend".

Either stick with R-12 for your system, or convert it fully over to
R-134a, and replace the orifice tube with a VOV.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "thebrave65" <ssawyer37_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I've been hearing that R12A is a good replacement for R12.  From 
> what I understand, is has a lower boiling point, takes less per 
> pound, is colder, mixes with R12 and is bio-friendly.
> 
> I'm in the process of replacing my evap hose, condensor and orifice 
> tube and was wondering of anyone has any experiences about R12A.
> 
> I'm currently setup for and have been running R12 in my DeLorean.
> 
> Johnny
> 5518








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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:59:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Jake Kamphoefner <jakekamp_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Jan van de Wouw


 
To Jan van de Wouw, if you read this please contact me off-list at:
 
jakekamp(at)sbcglobal.net
 
Thanks,
 
Jake Kamphoefner
1063


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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:32:54 -0000
From: "James" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: John DeLorean



Ed Lapham from Automotive News in Detroit just called to let me know
that he was told that JZD was released earlier today from a hospital
in Morristown, NJ and transferred to an undisclosed rehabilitation
center. 

I had just spoken with JZD yesterday morning. We had been contacted by
a reporter for Bloomberg who wished to contact JZD for comments on the
recent bad news from GM. I called JZD to pass the reporter's info on
to him. At first was was reluctant to speak to the reporter, but later
called and asked for his contact information. He seemed in good
spirits and quite eager to speak to the reporter yesterday morning. 

I was lucky enough to meet JZD at his home back in '98. Chris Rabalais
and I sat on his back porch for the better part of a Sunday afternoon
and talked about everything from golf to real estate and ex-wives. We
spoke very little about the car. One of the things that stuck in my
mind was how he said that he had a lot of ideas and thoughts about the
problems of the world's automakers, but no one would listen to him.

It would be a shame that if now the media is ready to listen to him,
it's too late.

James Espey








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