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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 2537
Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:51 PM

There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Automatic vs. Stick
From: "mike_fm2002" <>

2. Re: Antennas: Do they still make Black Mast Power Antennas units?
From: "Videobob Moseley" <>

From: "Alistair McCann" <>

4. Re: DeLorean: Surely, Life Wasn't a Waste
From: Bob Brandys <>

5. Delorean Mid-Atlantic Spring Social - Update
From: Delorean Mid-Atlantic Club <>

6. Re: Re: car mysteriously dies 2 years in a row

7. Any NYC are tribute for JZD?
From: "spaceace3113" <>

8. Re: Detroit, US government, and DeLorean
From: "David Teitelbaum" <>

9. Re: Antennas: Do they still make Black Mast Power Antennas units?
From: Phil Priestley <>

10. Wings of Desire
From: "gjl463" <>

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:17:58 -0000
From: "mike_fm2002" <>
Subject: Re: Automatic vs. Stick

Thanks for the reply.  Seems like most prefer the manuals,

--- In, "bluemax86" <massimot_at_dml_r...> wrote:
> As much as I still like manuals for sports cars, I have to agree 
> that it is a dying breed. I too believe that in the near future 
> the "stick shift" will be obsolete. The next best thing will be 
> manumatics (paddle shift). Even Formula 1 cars have gone to auto 
> gear boxes.
> But still in a DeLorean I prefer the 5 speed.
> Max
> 4819
> --- In, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > If you look at the power curves you will see that the turbos 
> up
> > much closer with an automatic. An automatic can "shift-on-the-
> as
> > opposed to a manual which must be in one gear or another, not 
> an
> > automatic which can be in 2 gears at once slipping between. The 
> > automatics with 5 or 6 gears match up ratios a lot better than 
> > older 3 speeds. More and more heavy trucks have automatics to 
> reduce
> > driver fatigue, maintainence, and improve economy. Fork trucks 
> all
> > going automatic for ruggedness and reliability. With engine 
> management
> > systems also controling the shifting of the transmission you see 
> the
> > computer-controled powertrain. The manual transmission is going 
> > soon be relegated to the few sport type-racing type cars for the 
> few
> > die-hards that still know how to step on a clutch. Because of
> > emissions it will probably be regulated to a very small amount of
> > production vehicles. A down-shifting manual is very dirty, 
> emissions
> > speaking. One of the hottest set ups is the Tiptronic in high 
> cars
> > like Audi and BMW.
> > David Teitelbaum
> > vin 10757
> >


Message: 2
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:54:29 -0600
From: "Videobob Moseley" <>
Subject: Re: Antennas: Do they still make Black Mast Power Antennas units?

( Moderators note: some of this script was deleted by the moderator. It's time to restore some order here so this post is the last I'm letting through regarding this.)

You have no right to say these things about me!
It is one thing to offer up alternative options, but to publicly say I am 
scamming people
is total bullshit.
You don't know exactly what you are talking about, and you don't know what I 
selling, and even if you did that still does not give you the right to say 
that about me.
The antennas I sell are ready to install in the car and come with 
instructions and free shipping.
If you buy an generic antenna you might need to do some modifications to it 
and if you
don't know which wire goes where and matches up with what then you could 
have problems.
That is why I also include a color, 12 page instruction manual with color 
photos and offer
step by step installation instructions.
I send it ready to install.

All that aside, you have no right to treat me this way.
I have never done anything to you and it is not fair.
You and I are going to have some words if I ever run into you in person.
- VB

>From: "ryanpwright" <>
>Subject: Re: [DML] Antennas: Do they still make Black Mast Power Antennas 
>Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:54:32 -0000
>Beware! Beware! Videobob trying to scam DeLorean owners again!
>Jason, VideoBob likes to buy parts at retail and resell them at many
>times retail. He used to ask $70 for this antenna but has dropped his
>price to "only" $50. I made the unfortunate mistake of buying one from
>him for $70 when I first bought my car. It's a good antenna and I'd
>buy it again, but not from him: You can get the same thing for $17.99
>Go here:
>Or, go to and type "LN46" into the search box.
>VB even stole their picture. I'll bet he doesn't have an IP agreement
>with the owner of that image. Someone should make a phone call.
>--- In, "Videobob Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> >
> > You can get an OEM replacement from DMCH, I think they are $125+ or so.
> > It would be the same black (and slow crawling) version.
> >
> > If they are out of them, or not what you want I can send you the
> > version
> > for $50.00, the only difference is that is shoots up and down in one
> > it is really
> > fast and absolutely silent.
> > - VB
> >
> >
> > >From: "Jason Perkins" <jperkins_at_dml_m...>
> > >Reply-To:
> > >To: <>
> > >Subject: [DML] Antennas: Do they still make Black Mast Power Antennas
> > >units?
> > >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:29:33 -0500
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >My 83 D's power antenna quit working a few months back.  I have seen a
> > >few vendors selling the replacement with a stainless mast, however I
> > >can't find one with a black mast.  Does anyone know where I can
> > >the black mast power antenna unit?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Jason
> > >#16665
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> > >moderators_at_dml_d...
> > >
> > >For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see
> > >
> > >To search the archives or view files, log in at
> > >
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:06:56 -0000
From: "Alistair McCann" <>

Hi all

I went round to my dads house tonight to check on the Delorean and do my usual running of the engine for ten minutes.

Well upon arriving at my dads I noticed that the garage door was open and my jack was lying in the middle of the yard.

I didnt really think much of this as my dad has a guy who cuts that lawn so I thought that he was about.  Getting out of the car I noticed that the lawnmower was still in the garage and that my rear tyre was flat????  What the hell I thought.........It was then to my utter amazement that I noticed that my tool chest had gone which contained ALL MY TOOLS, My entire set of ORIGINAL NCT TYRES and my BRAND NEW FRONT WHEEL THAT I ONLY GOT 3 WEEKS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and my new battery jump starter which I only got 2 weeks ago.

They had SLASHED THE DAMN TYRE ON THE CAR BECAUSE IT WAS LOCKED and to make things even more strange they did not take a 90 jack and left a 300 permabag/carcoon.  I am in bits as this could have been so much worse.

Please everyone go and kiss your cars and tell them you love her, because this could have been anyone of us.  I am so pissed off that these people got into my garage and took my stuff, what are they going to do with it??????  The only car that willtake DELOREAN NCT TYRES are BLOODY DELOREANS YOU STUPID MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is all because of JZD dying and these guys knowing I have this car, I should never have been on tv or the radio talking about it, these people are scum.

Alistair McCann
DOC 25/ Delorean Owners Ireland

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:05:25 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <>
Subject: Re: DeLorean: Surely, Life Wasn't a Waste


Thanks for posting that accurate information.    You are right.  
Certain people do not want to believe that there was a conspiracy to 
put JZD out of business.

They just don't want to admit that their opinion is wrong, based on the 
real facts.

It's easier to ignore reality with your head in the ground.



Message: 5
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:41:16 -0500
From: Delorean Mid-Atlantic Club <>
Subject: Delorean Mid-Atlantic Spring Social - Update

With just over three weeks left to the spring social, we already have 33 
attendees and 19 cars preregistered!  We are almost half way to our goal 
of 40+ cars!  The Mid-Atlantic club officers are wrapping up the final 
planning of the event.   We expect to have a final itinerary for the 
event in the next week or so on the website.  

PLEASE NOTE:  We will also have a cutoff deadline for preregistration 
and discounted dinner.   The price of $10 registration and $32 for 
dinner will expire on April 9th.   If you register or attend after that 
date, the price will be $15 for registration and $35 (per head) for dinner.

Please preregister for the event soon if you plan to attend.  Doing so 
helps us to properly plan for the event.
Details can be found at:

We have planned a great day for all who attend, and have some awesome 
prizes that will be distributed that day.   There will also be a photo 
shoot, inspection, door adjustments, and more!  
With the recent passing of John Delorean, we also expect that many of 
the media outlets that interviewed the club this week will be doing a 
follow-up story by attending the social.   It would be great to show 
everyone the dedication and loyalty we have to the legacy of Delorean.

We look forward to seeing you in April!

- Delorean Mid-Atlantic Club


Message: 6
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:40:06 EST
Subject: Re: Re: car mysteriously dies 2 years in a row

In a message dated 3/23/05 10:20:28 AM Central Standard Time, writes:

> Andy - I would take a serious look at the inertia switch.  Noah also 
> had another good suggestion, so you have some things to consider.  
> When I bought my car, the inertia switch had been unplugged, and 
> replaced with a very large paper clip to complete the circuit.


Actually last summer I removed my inertia switch because the housing was 
cracked.  I installed a jumper in the circuit as a temporary fix. I intend on 
fixing it 'correctly' this spring.  I know my jumper is OK because i had the same 
problem last spring when the switch was installed instead.

I believe I have the original RPM relay.  I wasn't able to get the car to die 
by tapping the relay, so i'm not sure if this could be the cause.  Is it 
worth it just to replace it anyway?

I will check the grounds but I am pretty good with keeping them clean, hard 
to believe one is loose or something. In fact I had to relocate the battery 
ground last year so I might check that one again.  But, like above, the problem 
was around last spring when the ground was in the original position.  

I suppose the problem could be in the ignition switch or column.  Never 
thought of that. Next time the car dies I'll try hitting the steering wheel while I 
am cranking and see if it fires up.

To John Hervey - you asked what the resistance of the coil is. Do you mean 
the ignition coil or pulse coil?  What do I have to do to measure it?  I have a 
DVM but am not really good at it.  

I am super busy the next couple of days but hopefully this weekend I can 
commit some quality time to solving this once and for all. 

Any other good ideas?


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:50:11 -0000
From: "spaceace3113" <>
Subject: Any NYC are tribute for JZD?

 I was just wondering if there is a possibility of something in the
works like a motorcade of Deloreans driving down a city street,
Highway or whatever, maybe just picking a spot and meeting up for some
people to take notice and get the facts straight. How about the
World's Fair in Queens? Been feeling the need to give something back
to the man

Harry Vin #2696


Message: 8
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:40:53 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <>
Subject: Re: Detroit, US government, and DeLorean

As I see it there were 2 conspiracies. The British government had just
changed parties and were not too fond of JZD and went out of their way
to scuttle his company and blame the other party for it's excesses. I
am also convinced elements of the government didn't mind "sticking it
to the Irish" at the same time. England was oppressing Northen Ireland
and many did not want to see anything succeed for them at all.
 The other conspiracy was an FBI informant and his handler/agent that
saw a ticket to "stardom" by involving and bringing down a celebrity
in a vulnarable position. With all of the other things going on like
the recesssion and some unfavaorable comments on the early cars all of
these things added up to monumental bad timing. The charges of fraud
only made everything worse. Even after all of the investigations which
found NO eveidence of fraud the taint could never be removed. In
today's world all one has to do is accuse someone of molesting a
child. After that you can never regain your reputation. Very common
tatic to demonize someone to make them unpopular and improve your
position. It is up to us and this List to try to educate the public.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In, mike.griese_at_dml_w... wrote:
> Nice conspiracy theory.  It just doesn't add up.  It is 
> not rational for the major auto companies to worry


Message: 9
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:01:00 -0800
From: Phil Priestley <>
Subject: Re: Antennas: Do they still make Black Mast Power Antennas units?

( Moderator's note: This moderator agrees with the note below. The idea here is to share the enthusiasum of owning these cars and offer a place to bring DeLorean related problems for answers, announce events and anything else related to the pride of ownership that comes with these cars. It shouldn't be a place to pick apart every comment another subscriber makes or otherwise continualy promote things that detract from a positive stance on the list. It should be a place for camaraderie, not one of constant whinng and complaining. )

All this bickering and infighting that keeps going on on list is really 
starting to irritate me. I've said it before and I'll say it again.

The purpose of this list is to discuss the care and maintenance of our 
little sliver cars.

I'm tired of people acting like they are on the grade-school playground 
and getting into verbal shoving matches. If you have a problem with 
someone, why don't you take it off list instead of subjecting everyone 
on the list to it. I know there are several individuals on this list 
that deserve low marks in the "plays well with others" category.

Phil Priestley
Alessandros Restaurant

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:28:40 -0000
From: "gjl463" <>
Subject: Wings of Desire

Here's another well written article just posted on BBC News!

Wings of desire  
By Jonathan Duffy 
BBC News Magazine  

Leaking windows, ill-fitting doors, sluggish performance... for a 
car that was trashed by the press when it hit the road in 1981 the 
DeLorean has aged remarkably well. Its creator may have died but the 
car lives on. What's its lasting appeal? 

Cars are the ultimate lifestyle purchase. What you drive speaks 
volumes about who you are. The new Mini - jolly singleton; Ford 
Focus - parent; anything with moulded spoilers - wideboy. 

So what about the DeLorean DMC-12, one of history's most talked-
about cars, although not always for the right reasons? 

"To drive one, it helps to have an ego the size of a house," says 
Chris Parnham, reflecting on the two DeLoreans in his garage. 

Such is the celebrity of the DeLorean that a simple excursion to the 
local filling station can turn into a major outing, he says. 

"You get mobbed. When you draw up at a junction everyone wants to 
let you out first so they can tuck behind you and see what it is. 
Absolutely nothing on the road gets the attention the DeLorean gets. 
You see people's jaws drop." 

The DMC-12 took its name from the $12,000 price tag - it actually 
sold for about $25,000
Because of US emissions standards, the DMC-12 was the first 
production car in Europe to have a catalytic converter 
The stainless steel bodywork is built of Alloy 304 - commonly used 
in the catering industry  
Costing a relatively modest 18,000 to 20,000 for a well-maintained 
model - a fraction of the price of other head-turners such as a 
classic Ferrari or Lamborghini - the DeLorean, it seems, is a car 
for show offs on a budget. 

The death, at the weekend, of John DeLorean, the controversial 
American tycoon, will do nothing to detract from the buzz about the 
cars that bear his name. 

The saga of how this maverick industrialist took 85m of government 
cash to set up a production plant in Northern Ireland in the late 
1970s, only for the whole thing to collapse amid recriminations and 
reports of lost millions, is one of those rare things: a truly 
thrilling tale about politics and industry. 

But while the DeLorean production line ground to a halt in 1982 as 
John DeLorean himself was charged with cocaine smuggling - he was 
eventually acquitted - the car itself lives on in the hearts and 
garages of fanatics. 

With its brushed stainless steel shell, gull-wing doors and low, 
wide profile, the DeLorean was an exotic creature. Targeted at the 
US market, it quickly won admirers. Talkshow host Johnny Carson, a 
DeLorean investor, was among the first to be seen pootling around LA 
in his DMC-12. 

The press, however, was less gushing. Early DeLoreans were damned 
for their leaking windows, erratic electrics and sluggishness. The 
fancy doors, meanwhile, had a tendency to jam, says Chris Parnham. 

Film role 

The DeLorean was fast becoming a relic when it won a remarkable 
reprieve - a starring role as the time machine in 1985's Back to the 
Future, one of the biggest grossing films of the decade. 

Chris Parnham and celebrity DeLorean owner Patrick Kielty 
Martin Gutkowski was a teenager when he saw the film. Now 28, and 
owner of two DeLoreans, he believes a recent resurgence of interest 
in the cars is down to others like him fulfilling their childhood 

"A lot of owners, like me, saw the film when they were young and now 
they've got the money they're living their dream." 

Originally an IT engineer, Martin's passion for DeLoreans has become 
a profession. He and a friend have set up a business in Southend, 
Essex, importing, restoring and selling on the cars to a British 

It's lucrative work. Of the 9,000 or so DeLoreans built in the early 
1980s between half and two-thirds are thought to be still on the 
road, mostly in the US. But Chris Parnham, secretary of the DeLorean 
owners club, says on average one a month is being imported back into 
the UK. 

The average age of club members is 28 - unusually young for classic 
cars, he says. Their love of the Back to the Future series also 
helps them bat off jibes about "flux capacitors" which are an 
occupational hazard for DeLorean owners. 

Like other DeLorean devotees, Chris would not be happy with just the 
one in his garage - he owns two DeLoreans, one of which is a Back to 
the Future replica, with all the additional pipework and jet-like 
exhausts. Its capacity for travelling back to 1955 high school proms 
is, however, so-far unproved. 

Dave Howarth with the DeLorean once owned by John Taylor (inset) 
As well as the ego factor he admits the whole John DeLorean image - 
maverick, fast-living, dicey businessman - "only adds to it" when it 
comes to the car's appeal. Owners, it seems, are happy to be 
associated with John DeLorean, warts and all. 

No-one though can hold a candle to Dave Howarth, 63, on the DeLorean 
glamour front. One of his three DMC-12s used to belong to Duran 
Duran bassist, and arch petrol-head, John Taylor. 

Dave does steady business in hiring his cars out for local PR 
stunts, especially if a company wants to convey a message about "the 
future". Safeway, for example, once borrowed one to announce its 
annual sales targets to employees, he says. 

"It's a pulling car," says Dave, perhaps shedding more light on its 
appeal to the twentysomething male market. But he sounds a note of 
caution to any Lothario intent on impressing the fillies with a spin 
in their silver dream machine. 

"The wife has only been in it twice in the 12 or 13 years since I've 
owned one, and it broke down both times." 



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