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To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 2656
Date: Friday, June 03, 2005 2:41 PM

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Rear Wheel Squeak
From: "mdcdmc81" <mcho628_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Re: "725mi" Ebay car in OH
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. Marion, Ohio car show in August!
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net>

4. Re: NADA guide.
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

5. Re: Insurance?
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

6. radiator air flow
From: "Marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>

7. Re: Re: Frame-up restorations/refurbished cars (was: Value of a "restored" DeLorean)
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

8. Re: Book: How to Build Horsepower
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

9. Re: Re: Hood rarity
From: Johnny Sawyer <johnny.sawyer_at_dml_gmail.com>

10. Re: Value of VIN 16118, ebay 928 mile? car NEED ADVICE
From: JDub <doki_pen_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. Re: Insurance mis-statement?
From: "Matt Spittle" <supermatty_at_dml_psu.edu>

12. Cruise control Audiovox CCS-100
From: DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683_at_dml_wi.rr.com>

13. Re: Insurance mis-statement?
From: Johnny Sawyer <johnny.sawyer_at_dml_gmail.com>

14. Re: Radiator air flow and license plate
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayfw_at_dml_charter.net>

15. Re: Jacking Points
From: "Steven L. Alves" <steve_at_dml_fotofx.net>

16. Re: Jacking Points
From: Warren Wallingford <warren_at_dml_usadmc.com>

17. Re: Cruise control Audiovox CCS-100
From: Ryan Wright <ryanpwright_at_dml_gmail.com>

18. Re: Insurance mis-statement?
From: "Steven L. Alves" <steve_at_dml_fotofx.net>

19. Re: New Gull Wing Mercedes
From: Ryan Wright <ryanpwright_at_dml_gmail.com>

20. Re: Insurance?
From: Mike Green <mikedx_at_dml_gmail.com>

21. cracked windshield
From: "dmcfixer2003" <randybell_at_dml_williamstownfab.com>

22. Re: cracked windshield
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

23. Re: Re: Value of VIN 16118, ebay 928 mile? car NEED ADVICE
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

24. Re: New owner needs help\engines that last forever
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>

25. Re: Insurance?
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 14:00:25 -0000
From: "mdcdmc81" <mcho628_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Wheel Squeak

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "sweetp01569" <paul.sweet_at_dml_f...> wrote:
> I haven't pulled the drivers's side wheel off yet, but as I am rolling 
> slowly without the brakes (which also squeak, but not worried about 
> that at the moment), a high frequency squeak or squeal is produced as 
> the wheel rolls.  Not very loud, but enough to concern me.  Are there 
> bearings I need to possibly replace or grease?  The car has 26,000 
> miles on it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul

I had the same sound come from my right rear wheel. It ended up being
a warped rotor rubbing the brake pad.






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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:19:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: "725mi" Ebay car in OH

>> Did you tell the seller this is no way possible this 
>> car has 725 miles on it?
>>
>> Mark V

No. When I actually got to see the car the seller was not there. He was back at
his used car lot attending to customers. I went to his mechanic's house where he
is doing work to make it drivable for the buyer. The brakes are currently being
done along with the innards of the driver door. From what I was told the fuel
system, clutch (slave & master) was redone as well. 

However... in casual conversation about this car and mine the mechanic asked me
if I had my angle drive fail on me yet. After my response he went on to say he
disconnected  this one and is re-working it. IHe says he likes to fix things
himself rather than paying someone else to do it if he has the ability to fix
different stuff. 

So that tells me the mechanic knows the milage is not correct and the owner is
either not telling the truth or just plain oblivious. (you can make your own used
car salesman jokes here)

The mechanic works on other local DeLoreans and seemed quite knowledgeable so it
should be a decent driver when done but not a overly nice car. It did have a
bunch of rust on the front crumple tube, but I've seen much worse on daily
drivers. I wasn't impressed with the lack of cushion between or placement of the
jack stands. The muffler heat shield was burnt thru in the center. Much worse
than when I replaced mine at 70+ k miles. 

If the mechanic is free, I'm taking another DeLorean owner over to see it again
this evening, so if there is anything specific anyone wants me to ask or take
pictures of let me know.

Shannon Y
16506 


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:31:22 -0400
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net>
Subject: Marion, Ohio car show in August!

Hey Guys...got a lead on a car show happening in August in Central Ohio, 
if anyone is interested in bringing their cars, or just attending, here 
are the details:

Saturday, August 27th, 2005
Rain Date: Sunday, August 28th, 2005

Marion County Fairgrounds

Hours: 9-5:30 Registration starts at 9 am.

Presented by the Marion County Historical Society and Central Ohio 4x4 Club
Cost per vehicle is $8.00 at the gate
Swap meet area
Sponsor's choice awards
Dash plaques to the first 75 entries
All cars, trucks and motorcycles welcome
Hourly door prizes and 50/50 raffle.

This is a fund raising event who's purpose is to provide for restoration 
work on the 1851 Seiter-Wilhelm Cabin, and preserve this historic structure.

For further information contact: Brent Gross (740-389-5002) or Heritage 
Hall (740-387-4255)

Let me know if you have any questions about it,
Josh





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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:50:15 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: NADA guide.

Gosh, maybe those other well-known DeLorean vendors 
should contact NADA and explain the situation...

--
Mike


-------------- Original message from Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>: -------------- 


> You missed the point... Only "DeLorean Motor Company" 
> was listed. Had it said "... A car refurbished by one 
> of the major well know DeLorean vendors...", we would 
> not even be discussing this! 
> 
> 

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:01:13 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Insurance?

I don't understand your question about other people driving the car under
their own insurance.  

When you sign the policy, you give the insurance company the  current
odometer reading.  I have had agents physically inspect the car for the
mileage.  All the insurance company cares about is the mileage accumulated
while covered under their policy.  They don't care if you have 287,435 miles
on the odometer before they insure your car.  They DO care about how 
many miles put on the car per year thereafter, regardless of who drives the 
car.  If you file a claim, the adjuster will look at the odometer, do the math 
and determine if you have been abiding by the rules in the policy you signed.  
If you are under the limit, they pay.  If you are over the limit, you are on your own.

--
Mike


-------------- Original message from Mike Green <mikedx_at_dml_gmail.com>: -------------- 


> How does this cover cases where other people have driven the car under 
> their own insurance? even with a declaration form, it still doesnt 
> seem that there can ever be any solid "proof" that you havent gone 
> over the limit. 
> 
> Best regards 
> 
> Mike 
> 

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:12:12 -0400
From: "Marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>
Subject: radiator air flow

This is related to the radiator air flow - an interesting thing happened to me when I drove that cold, snowy, day to the wake of Mr. DeLorean in Detroit.

The slushy ice and snow caused a blockage of the lower front grill on the car. I watched the temperature gauge begin to climb well above the 1st line. Normally, it runs slightly below that line, even on hot summer days. What I found interesting was that regardless of the outside temperature, the radiator / air temperature could not cool the engine suffuciently. Once the ice was carefully  knocked out of the mesh, the engine temperature returned to normal.

The moral is, don't have that grill blocked even 20%.

Marv.
#17077
marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com 
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:17:59 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Re: Frame-up restorations/refurbished cars (was: Value of a "restored" DeLorean)

In general, a car restored by an amatuer will be worth less than a car
restored by a professional shop.  It is extremely rare that an individual
working out of a garage can do as good as or better than a restoration
shop and even rarer than a specialist shop.  You can help prove your 
restoration is good by documenting everything you did, how you did
it (what equipment you used, what processes, coatings, etc.) and 
having pictures of everything before and after.  

Also, in general, most restored cars are sold for less than what it costs
to restore them.  If you just want a restored car, you are better off
buying some one elses restoration than doing one yourself.  If you 
enjoy working on the car and want to have the experience of 
doing a restoration - go ahead.  Just don't expect the marketplace
to place the same value on your work that you do.

--
Mike


-------------- Original message from "Lawrence Lormand" <lawrencesr_at_dml_netzero.net>: -------------- 


> So, In order to get a high value on our cars we Have to have a dealer do the 
> Restoration? I Have all the pictures for my frame off restoration & have posted 
> on dml 
> my progress by pictures also vin 00915 in the photo section, Am I just wasting 
> my 
> time & should just let my car rot away? I rebuild cars for a living & maybe I'll 
> start to 
> Do restoration Deloreans here in my garage in Michigan so Now I've been told 
> that if I 
> refurbish someones car that it will be worth - Less for the cost of what I spent 
> to 
> rebuild? this isn't posted against James just the subject!!!! 
> Lawrence - Michigan 
> Vin's 00538m/00915a/04783a 
> 

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:05:02 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Book: How to Build Horsepower

Engines are engines.  The principles involved are all the same, only the
details differ.   I suspect that the specific advice given in this book 
will not directly transfer to the PRV because the parts involved 
are different, but the concepts behind the advice will transfer.

--
Mike


-------------- Original message from "Steve" <p2freak_at_dml_yahoo.com>: -------------- 


> Hi. 
> Back with another question. 
> 
> Has anyone read the book "How to Build Horsepower" by David Vizard? 
> Since I am not exactly an automotive engineer, I don't know how much 
> of the theory will apply to the D. 
> 
> What's your take on the book? Is it applicable to the D since most of 
> what the book talks about is Chevy small block? 
> 
> 
> Steve 
> VIN#04421 
> 

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:17:54 -0700
From: Johnny Sawyer <johnny.sawyer_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Hood rarity

I used to be all about the rare gas flap - until a spectator at a car
show made me realize something about my own car.  He was looking mine
over and finally came over to me and asked, "Where is the little door
for the gas?"

Right then it occurred to me that this car had one more cool and
mysterious feature about it: The secret place to put fuel.

Now the way I look at it, is that my car doesn't advertise where the
fuel filler is but instead hides it and keeps that sleek look to the
body.

Johnny
5518

On 6/2/05, conundrum1984 <jeepno1_397_at_dml_hotmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know if it does add any value.  But I would rather have the gas
> flap hood, which I do for easy access.
> 
> Tom
> #2953




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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:22:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: JDub <doki_pen_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Value of VIN 16118, ebay 928 mile? car NEED ADVICE

If you're looking to purchase a DeLorean mine (#3215)
is up for sale.  From the way it sounds, mine is in
far superior condition to the one you're looking at,
and i'm only asking $17,999 obo which is well below
what you offered for that one.

Pictures:
http://tinyurl.com/c3rp5

If anybody else is interested please feel free to
contact me.  The car is located in Millbrae
California.

Here's a brief description:

It's #3215, an 81 automatic with 31k miles. The body
is in excellent condition and the engine runs perfect.
I've had the car for two years now and she's always
treated me well.  I'm asking $17,999 or best offer.
Here are pics of the car: 

http://tinyurl.com/c3rp5

Lemme know if that link doesn't work sometimes I have
trouble with it. 

As you can see from the pictures the car is in
excellent condition. There are a couple of flaws on
the interior:

1) Small tear on top of center console
2) Side window rear pillar could use recovering

I have displayed these items in the photos. 

Parts I've replaced: 

Otter-stat 
Plugs, wires, cap 
Rebuilt front calipers 
New master cylinder 
Steering column bushing 
New alternator 
New Fuel distributor O-ring seal 
Engine cover stay assy 
Complete strut lift kit for entire car 

You also get a box of spare parts, workshop manual,
dash mat, seat covers, and cleaning kit for the
exterior of the car.

Jon 
(650)773-4935




--- Packodenton_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> 
> Hello Gentleman:
>  
> Here in Pittsburgh to purchase VIN 16118.
>  
> Had to deal with three sales people so far, and I am
> pretty close to a  
> purchase price. 




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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:34:35 -0000
From: "Matt Spittle" <supermatty_at_dml_psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Insurance mis-statement?

Right there lies the problem with classic insurance.  According to
this policy, you must drive to the gas station with your daily driver,
fill a tank up, and then take it home to your classic car to fill it.
 Also means you can't wash it at the car wash.  Also means you can't
have fun showing off at the local drive-thru fast food joint.  
All of these actions are considered "errands."  Now I'm going to
venture a guess and say most drivers who have classic insurance are
doing all of the above.  

Matt
#1604

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Cecil Longwisch" <dmc1982_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> We actually agree. You are limited to diving your car for pleasure
drives 
> and can NEVER drive it to work , school, or for errands; you must have 
> another car for those purposes. No matter how you choose to couch
the words.








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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:37:08 -0500
From: DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683_at_dml_wi.rr.com>
Subject: Cruise control Audiovox CCS-100

I would like to thank Ryan Wright for the excellent online Instructions 
for the Audiovox CCS-100. My Delorean has Cruise Control now.

I see no danger having a cruise control on a Delorean. there are a few 
that think this is SOOO dangerous but there wrong in my opinion.

The cruise control barely moves the throttle spool when it is engaged. 
I tested it in 5th gear up on jack stands and i watched the spool 
barely move and i see no danger with the throttle cable or cruise 
control cable interfering with each other either on cruise or full 
throttle.

Thank you  Ryan Wright for the excellent directions.

To you few that think it is a bad idea come see me at Pheasant Run and 
i will show you how nice it really is, look for VIN#06683

By the way has there ever been a Delorean involved in an accident with 
a cruise control installed causing the accident?

I know there were several cars with Dealer installed cruise that are 
still out there and still working i bet!


Mark V





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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:40:38 -0700
From: Johnny Sawyer <johnny.sawyer_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Insurance mis-statement?

Okay here's my expeirence with Hagerty:  I have been with them for
about a year-and-a-half and I think they are really good.  I called to
let them know that I was going to be driving to California from
Arizona for some software trainning and was planning to stop by
DeLorean Motor Center for some needed work and a good once-over.  I
was going to be there for a week.

They asked me if my DeLorean would be my primary transporation while
there and I said yes.  They told me that I would be covered for the
round trip, the visit to and from DeLorean Motor Center, but not for
anything else.

Johnny
5518 


On 6/2/05, Kermit Poling <KPoling_at_dml_bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Whether you disagree or not, as I said:  "I specifically discussed this
> issue with their agent, making clear that from time to time I just
> wanted to
> be able to drive the car and not be limited as to the destination."
> This is exactly what the agent from Hagerty told me, as confirmed by at
> least one other person on this list who called them.  Also, Hagerty's
> website clearly states that you can use the car for leisure drives and
> not just to parades or car events. I have another vehicle for work, as
> they require, and I do not drive over 7,000 miles annually, but if I
> want to take a nice drive into the Ozarks next week I am indeed covered.
> It may not be my daily driver, but at least I can use it as a car and
> not a museum piece.
> 
> My point was that they do not limit you to car shows only, as some other
> collector insurance does.  There also is no deductible, an agreed upon
> value, and they accept drivers as young as 18 (nowhere near a problem
> for me.)  Anyone considering purchasing insurance ought to certainly ask
> all questions before buying a policy. My comment was primarily a
> statement of information should others find themselves in a similar
> situation where their conventional insurer will no longer accept our
> supposedly troublesome cars.  My conventional insurer (State Farm) would
> only offer liability (despite a 20 year exemplary history with them),
> Allstate wanted $2,400 a year (no joke!), and the other collector
> policies I found were far too restrictive.
> 
> KP
> #4547




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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:59:14 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayfw_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: Re: Radiator air flow and license plate

I guess I can't really comment as I have never had a front license plate 
since the car was new!!   Little town and no problems I guess.   The only 
restriction might be if your plate were "glued solid" over the radiator...if 
it is out a ways from it there will be no overheating problem unless maybe 
for some reason your heating is borderline anyway.  Lots of Pickup campers 
have the entire spare wheel/tire mounted out front and lots of bikes, wheel 
chairs etc mounted that way.
Murray
Vin: 05962
Lic:  DMC-XII

 





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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:01:23 -0400
From: "Steven L. Alves" <steve_at_dml_fotofx.net>
Subject: Re: Jacking Points

I use ramps to get under it.. Works for me..

Steve
#2700


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Nelson" <tan5732_at_dml_rit.edu>
To: "DMC-News" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:27 AM
Subject: [DML] Jacking Points


> List:
>
> I'm in the process of doing some under-the-car work (Clutch line, 
> accumulator, fuel filter, etc) and am getting a little tired of 
> decompressing my lungs to fit under the car while on the ground.  I am 
> also a little weary of jacking it up using a standard hydraulic floor jack 





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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:08:07 -0500
From: Warren Wallingford <warren_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Jacking Points

The lads here always put the jack cradle on one or another of the frame 
crossmembers and put the whole end of the car in the air.  It's not as 
comfortable as a lift, but for some jobs: oil change, clutch line, 
back-up switch, even an angle drive, it can be quicker.  Pad the cradle 
with a towel or thick cardboard to keep from scratching the epoxy.
Warren at DMC



Todd Nelson wrote:
> List:
> 
> I'm in the process of doing some under-the-car work (Clutch line, accumulator, fuel filter, etc) and am getting a little tired of decompressing my lungs to fit under the car while on the ground.  I am also a little weary of jacking it up using a standard hydraulic floor jack and stands because of all the talk about cracked windshields due to improper jacking.  What is the best way to lift the car with basic tools (2.25 ton hydraulic jack).  




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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:26:01 -0700
From: Ryan Wright <ryanpwright_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cruise control Audiovox CCS-100

Thanks Mark. Anyone who wants cruise control, the complete kit can be
bought for under $100 most anywhere. Instructions are on my web site
here:

http://www.ryanwright.com/delorean/ccs100/

If you can install a car stereo, you can install cruise control.

-Ryan

On 6/3/05, DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683_at_dml_wi.rr.com> wrote:
> I would like to thank Ryan Wright for the excellent online Instructions
> for the Audiovox CCS-100. My Delorean has Cruise Control now.
> 
> I see no danger having a cruise control on a Delorean. 





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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:25:40 -0400
From: "Steven L. Alves" <steve_at_dml_fotofx.net>
Subject: Re: Insurance mis-statement?

>From Hagertys website:
 "Hagerty covers vehicles that are used on an occasional basis -- e.g. club 
functions, exhibitions, organized meets, tours and limited pleasure driving. 
" "Drivers can enjoy their classics with comfortable limits. Our program 
allows for an occasional leisure drive, not just to parades or car events"

I would say those statements give pretty liberal freedom as long as it is 
not your primary vehicle and you stay within the agreed upon mileage.

Steve
#2700


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Spittle" <supermatty_at_dml_psu.edu>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Insurance mis-statement?


> Right there lies the problem with classic insurance.  According to
> this policy, you must drive to the gas station with your daily driver,
> fill a tank up, and then take it home to your classic car to fill it.




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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:22:32 -0700
From: Ryan Wright <ryanpwright_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Gull Wing Mercedes

>>  How many of us will be buying them?

Me. I'm taking donations via Paypal. As soon as I've received enough
to buy the car, I'll give my DeLorean to whomever donated the most.
;-)

-Ryan

On 6/2/05, Jordan Gary <jordan_at_dml_investmentplanner.net> wrote:
> 
> Yesterday I stumbled on an advertisement for a new Mercedes Benz sports
> car with gull wings.

 And it costs only
> $452,000 plus taxes.  




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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:27:09 +0100
From: Mike Green <mikedx_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Insurance?

Ok, what I mean is, say if you are insured for 7,500 miles per year.
you give your insurance company a reading of 12,000 and you set on
your way

during the 12 months, you do 7,000 miles and somebody else, who is
also insured, say insurance that covers any car, does a further 2,000
miles

this brings us to 9,000 miles. you have only done 7,000 miles, and
your policy should still be valid. how do you prove that youve only
done 7,000 when the next reading says 21,000 miles for the renewal (or
a claim)

I may just be being pedantic, but its an issue thats always puzzled
me, not just on deloreans but any regular car!

Mike

On 6/3/05, mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> I don't understand your question about other people driving the car under
> their own insurance.
> 
> When you sign the policy, you give the insurance company the  current
> odometer reading.  I have had agents physically inspect the car for the





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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:26:53 -0000
From: "dmcfixer2003" <randybell_at_dml_williamstownfab.com>
Subject: cracked windshield

I need to replace the windshield for the 3rd time. The last time it was 
changed, in 1984, the glass company told me that the front windshield 
in my Delorean was the rear window of a Ford Pinto. They changed it out 
the same day. Has anyone heard this before?






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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:42:58 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: cracked windshield

First time I've heard that one. As a (I almost hate to say it) former owner of several Ford Pintos, I can safely say that the rear window of one of those is significantly smaller than a DMC windshield. Go get the right part - the vendors all have it, and so do some aftermarket glass places. 

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "dmcfixer2003" <randybell_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> I need to replace the windshield for the 3rd time. The last time it 
was 
> changed, in 1984, the glass company told me that the front windshield 
> in my Delorean was the rear window of a Ford Pinto. They changed it 
out 
> the same day. Has anyone heard this before?






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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:18:54 -0400
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Value of VIN 16118, ebay 928 mile? car NEED ADVICE

Thanks Dave
You hurt Gigawatts feelings LOL
As I have said the appearance of undercoating is not as clean and is much harder to maintain
But to say its ugly :-(
Anyway I do find it preserves the Zinc plating real well.
Ken
Owner of two undercoated 1983 cars LOL
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Swingle <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:41:29 -0000
Subject: [DML] Re: Value of VIN 16118, ebay 928 mile? car NEED ADVICE

My opinions FWIW

There's a lot of discussion on the concours list about the 
undercoating - but that's another story. IMO I don't like it because 
it can actually mask frame degradation, makes working under the car 
very unpleasant, and looks ugly. 




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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:22:31 -0000
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: New owner needs help\engines that last forever

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, ComposerZelgadis_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Haha, welcome aboard.  I just became a DeLorean owner about... two
and  a 
> half months ago?
>  
> As for the miles, I wouldn't worry about it much.  PRV6's (the 
DeLorean's 
> motor) will last forever--almost literally--if you take good care of
 it from 
> here on out.
>  
> Regards,
> William F.


Gotta agree with you there.  My DeLorean has 121,000 miles on it and
she fires up almost instantly upon turning the key.  This 24 year old
relic starts up easier than my 3 year old Chrysler Sebring.  The PRV
is a rugged, dependable engine.  Other ones that come to mind are the
Dodge Slant-6 (almost indestructible) and the Nissan 2.4 inline-four
used in their pickup trucks.  (Mine had over 300,000 kilometres on it
and still didn't burn a drop of oil.)

We all tend to gripe about the PRV-6's lack of power, but JZD could
have chosen worse.

Richard Rowe
Vin 5853 






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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:29:41 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Insurance?

You are confusing different kinds of insurance. You are putting
insurance on the car. If another person other than yourself or someone
in your household drives the car they can have their own insurance but
it is not for liability or property damage for you. It is for them as
a non-owner driver. Kind of like when you rent a car. Call Hagerty or
one of the other insurers and they will educate you for free. Bottom
line is if the policy has a mileage limit, unless you have made prior,
special arrangements, you are at your own risk if you violate any of
the policy terms or conditions. As an example, you want to drive
cross-country. You will be putting 3,000 miles on the car in 1 trip.
You are limited to 2,500 per year. You can make special arrangements
(AND PAY EXTRA) to add 3,000 mile for that trip. Now, in that year,
you can accumulate as much as 5,500 and still have full coverage.
There are times that owners of classic cars knowingly violate the
insurance policy at their own risk. In the Jaguar club and the Lotus
club they regularly race and slalom. From the time the car enters the
paddock till it is off the track anything that happens in on the
owner's nickel.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Mike Green <mikedx_at_dml_g...> wrote:
> Ok, what I mean is, say if you are insured for 7,500 miles per year.
> you give your insurance company a reading of 12,000 and you set on
> your way
> 
> during the 12 months, you do 7,000 miles and somebody else, who is
> also insured, say insurance that covers any car, does a further 2,000
> miles
> 
> 






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