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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 2718
Date: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 10:05 AM

There are 26 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: Radio Antenna
From: "Videobob Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Engine won't start
From: "David Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_verizon.net>

3. Re: Penetrating oil, or how to remove really corroded nuts
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Clunking
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

5. Re: BTF car(s).
From: "BTTF.com" <stephen_at_dml_bttf.com>

6. Re: Radio Antenna
From: "sandorp1" <piszar_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>

7. RE: Thank you for info on the BTF car.
From: "Tom Tait" <TTait_at_dml_BRCWEB.com>

8. RE: BTF car(s).
From: "Tom Tait" <TTait_at_dml_BRCWEB.com>

9. RE: What's on my stainless?
From: "Tom Tait" <TTait_at_dml_BRCWEB.com>

10. RE: RPM Relay/ECM/Pulse generator Diagnostics
From: "Tom Tait" <TTait_at_dml_BRCWEB.com>

11. What an original fuel pump looks like in YOUR Delorean
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. Re: Penetrating oil, or how to remove really corroded nuts
From: Greg Zapf <x86Daddy_at_dml_gmail.com>

13. Re: BTF car(s).
From: Greg Zapf <x86Daddy_at_dml_gmail.com>

14. Re: BTF cars.
From: Faded N Jaded <fadednjaded_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>

15. Re: engine swap?
From: "Daniel F." <daniel_at_dml_ramblerman.com>

16. 'best handling car'
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

17. Help! Door lock problem!
From: "Jace & Jenn" <judtnet_at_dml_cableone.net>

18. Re: side stripe
From: "Cecil Longwisch" <dmc1982_at_dml_msn.com>

19. DeLorean Buyers Guide in July 05 edition of Classic Motorsports magazine NICE!!!
From: Packodenton_at_dml_aol.com

20. RE: Engine won't start
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

21. Auto Trans Computer Test?
From: "Jake Kamphoefner" <jakekamp_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>

22. New Seat Covers
From: "Jake Kamphoefner" <jakekamp_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>

23. Re: What's on my stainless?
From: ComposerZelgadis_at_dml_aol.com

24. Re: What an original fuel pump looks like in YOUR Delorean
From: "sandorp1" <piszar_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>

25. RE: BTF car(s).
From: "Travis Goodwin" <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

26. Re: What's on my stainless?
From: "Joe OBrien" <joeyoseppijoe_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 11:52:41 -0500
From: "Videobob Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Radio Antenna

Yes, it is possible.
You can buy both the antenna and the mounting bracket for it from DMCH in 
Houston.
You would need to run both power, and the trigger from your radio to the 
antenna
to activate if from your radio.
You can access the rear portion of the car through a small panel on the left 
rear inside
where there is a canister with several hoses coming out of it.
- Videobob

>From: "Frank Blazich" <pastfinderfrank_at_dml_hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Radio Antenna
>Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:02:54 +0000
>
>Hi Everyone,
>    I'm a newbie here in that I am looking at purchasing a Delorean for my
>own and wanted to start researching.  I have the opportunity now to 
>purchase
>a Delorean with the radio antenna mounted on the right front fender.  This
>is the only one I have seen with the antenna mounted here (I know the early
>ones had it) and was just curious about if it is possible to move the
>antenna to the rear of the car like the latter versions.
>Cheers,
>Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:43:20 -0400
From: "David Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_verizon.net>
Subject: Engine won't start

replaced water pump and all hoses
new spark plugs
new injectors
600 ohms at distributor pickup coil
pickup coil shows no grounding
1.8 volts at terminal #1 on coil
no spark at plugs
no pulsing at RPM relay
no movement of tachometer in dash during cranking
tachometer is sitting on zero?

Coil and all three computers tested ok in another car

Any suggestions of what to look at next.

Dave Sontos





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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:20:44 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Penetrating oil, or how to remove really corroded nuts

 
In a message dated 7/4/2005 11:48:40 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
bmanderville_at_dml_comcast.net writes:

Hi all,  decided to dive in and start tinkering with the car this 
morning.   Immediate problems, all I want to do is replace the 
alternator, and the AC  and Altrenator belts.  Well the adjusting bolt 
retaining nut  (SP10037) on the lower AC pulley bracket (10072) is stuck 
on there like  you would not believe, I have soaked it with penetrating 
oil for over 2  hours and it just will not breakfree, any one got any  
ideas?


Bernie,
 
I have found that often times a quick sharp jab at a fastener will break it  
free better than slowly applying more pressure. When you go fast, you usually  
break what rust or other opposing forces are on there free.  When you go  
slow, you often twist metal until it breaks, especially with nuts and  bolts.  I 
would also suggest using some heat i.e. propane torch on stubborn  fasteners. 
just watch where you point that thing!  I would replace the  rubber oil seal 
behind the belt tensioner thing anyway, and especially if you  get any heat by 
it.
 
Good Luck
Andy


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:55:34 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Clunking

What you hear is probably the rear wheel bearing(s), one or both, 
slipping in the housing. It is a common DeLorean trait. The noise does 
not mean there is a bearing problem but a bad bearing can cause the 
noise frequency to increase a lot. The movement is very small but it 
is snapping from stop to stop in the housing and the noise is 
amplified. I have tried to put a small amount of synthetic gear oil 
around the inside of the bearing to lubricate the housing some and 
virtually stopped the noise.

Harold McElraft - 3354



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Todd Nelson <tan5732_at_dml_r...> wrote:
> List:
> 
> The past couple of weeks I have been bothered/concerned with 
a "clunking" noise heard from the rear of the car.  I have since 
tightened down the body-bolts in the engine compartment and replaced 
the TAB's with Toby's TAB's (Grrrr, seized bolts).  However the 
clunking is still heard, primarily when rounding corners.  What else 
could this be?  Suspension bushings?  Loose shocks?
> 
> Thanks,
> Todd Nelson
> 1561, Vermont
> 
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:58:40 -0000
From: "BTTF.com" <stephen_at_dml_bttf.com>
Subject: Re: BTF car(s).

Hollywood Casinos would like you to believe that it was one of the 
cars used, but in fact it wasn't.  Just about every one of Hollywood's 
casinos has a BTTF DeLorean in it that they claim was used in the 
films.  I'm afraid that there are a lot more replicas than actual cars 
used in the films, which by the way, totaled 7 throughout all three 
films.

-- Stephen _at_dml_ BTTF.com

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, kKoncelik_at_dml_a... wrote:
> One other of the BTTF cars is in the Hollywood Casino in Tunica 
Mississippi  
> and was the location of the DCS 2002
>  
> Ken
> 
> 
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 19:01:21 -0000
From: "sandorp1" <piszar_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Radio Antenna

Yes Frank, it is possible to switch to the power quarter antenna.  You 
are then left with a plastic cover over the hole in the fender, or you 
get the stainless patched at someplace such as DMC Houston or FL, PJ 
Grady's, etc.  My car has the fender-mounted antenna and personally I 
have no problem with its location there.  I bought a stubby stainless 
antenna and it looks great.


Sandor
# 3002


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Frank Blazich" <pastfinderfrank_at_dml_h...> 
wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>    I'm a newbie here in that I am looking at purchasing a Delorean 
for my 
> own and wanted to start researching.  I have the opportunity now to 
purchase 
> a Delorean with the radio antenna mounted on the right front 
fender.  This 
> is the only one I have seen with the antenna mounted here (I know 
the early 
> ones had it) and was just curious about if it is possible to move 
the 
> antenna to the rear of the car like the latter versions.
> Cheers,
> Frank






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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:34:29 -0700
From: "Tom Tait" <TTait_at_dml_BRCWEB.com>
Subject: RE: Thank you for info on the BTF car.

I'm only about 20 minutes from the Studio...

This car is stock, never converted to a time machine... 

-----Original Message-----
From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com [mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Faded N Jaded
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:44 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] Thank you for info on the BTF car.

I very much appreciate the information you provided. That is very
interesting. I was under the impression that the movie studio still had
the car(s). 
 
Do you mind saying what town you live in or the generaly area?
 
Many thanks in advance.  

Tom Tait <TTait_at_dml_BRCWEB.com> wrote:
I'm sure you will get lots of info in the picture cars, but to add a
side note.

#10902 was purchased by Universal in 1993 to raffle off at the grand
opening of the BTTF ride in Hollywood. Universal was legally bound to
offer either the car, or its cash equivelent (they paid $26k for the
car) to the winner. The winner took the cash so Universal repeated the
promotion. Again the winner took the cash. #10902 then sat virtually
untouched for 12 years at the Universal Tram Garage until I purchased it
this spring for a lot less than $26k.

Tom

#10902

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Of jadedforever93
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:11 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Where are the cars used in the BTF movies?

Can anyone please say how many cars were used in the Back to the Future




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:16:48 -0700
From: "Tom Tait" <TTait_at_dml_BRCWEB.com>
Subject: RE: BTF car(s).

Sorry - I meant to be clear..   The car was not converted to a picture
car, nor was it advertised in the raffle as a picture car, just an 82
Delorean.  Very stock.  The radio in the car at the time is unknown as
it was removed before I got it.  The only other alterations I can find
was the installation of a Clifford 3 alarm and the ignition resistor on
the fuel metering assembly.

I live about 20 minutes from the studio and was the Technical manager
for the ride during design and installation.  I worked with D. Trumbull
on the film then helped Universal open Florida and Hollywood, along with
Marty from Alabama who is also here on the list.  A friend of mine
opened the ride in Japan.  I was there to watch the raffle take place in
93, and later watched as the car was parked and forgotten.  Over the
years I have kept an eye on the car - I checked on it whenever I was
back on the lot helping maintain or troubleshoot the ride.  About 2
years ago the drivers glass was broken out, and the car began to
degenerate very rapidly.  It took about a year and a half to do the
paperwork and work around the several roadblocks with Universal, but I
acquired the car in the spring and have gotten it running again and am
slowly trying to get it back to daily driver status.

As to the car being worthless, the studio actually spent a small fortune
on this car.  The purchase from the original owner was for $26k in
spring 93.  The studio then spent a small fortune getting the car "safe"
enough to raffle.  One of the things that drew me to the car was that it
was in excellent mechanical condition on the day of the first raffle -
and watching it deteriorate was truly sad.  Between the cost of the
repairs (unknown), the promotional costs of the raffle and the two cash
payouts to the winners who did not take the car there are $78k in
documented costs plus their internal costs.  This for a car that
literally could not give away. Twice.

There were a number of picture cars built for the 3 movies.  Most did
not fair well.  Although I have no firsthand knowledge of this as a
fact, I have been told that the BTTF 3 car with oversized whitewalls was
sold to someone in Northern California in the last year or so, but I
have no details.  Knut has maintained the official chronology which may
have some of the info you want. 

I believe that one of the two cars on display in the US in front of the
BTTF attractions is an original (restored) picture car and the other was
built in the last 10 years or so as a conversion.  I know there has been
recent mention of the car used in the ride as well.  First know that in
most of the ride you are seeing miniature cars, about 24 inches long.
There were at least 2 flying models, one with fixed wheels and one with
pivoting wheels.  Another smaller model was used for the lavafall scene.
There was no, absolutely no CG in the ridefilm - mostly in camera
effects, traditional matting and some hand rotoscoping.  The only
Digital model of the Delorean was used for diagnostic video sequences in
the preshow video - created by Mojo on an old Video Toaster.  Some of
those models are now in the hands of private collectors.

The only "real" Delorean in the ridefilm itself was shipped from
Hollywood to the Berkshires. It was treated with paraffin wax and spray
snow to create the look of a icy cold Delorean.  Although it ran poorly,
it did not run in the film.  It rolled down a ramp into frame and spun
sideways with cable assists with Tom Wilson at the wheel.  It was then
trucked back to Hollywood.

One further note on the BTTF Ridefilm.  At $14 million below the line
plus undisclosed bonuses to Trumbull and Kelly, his partner at the time,
it is likely the most expensive film, per frame ever produced (at least
in the private sector).  Before Trumbull took over the filming Universal
had already spent millions shooting live action footage under the title
"Big Eye".  When one calculates out the cost of the film, then divides
it by the total running length of the film (just under 4 minutes), it
makes Titanic or anything Lucas has ever produced look like a bargain.



-----Original Message-----
From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com [mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Faded N Jaded
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:17 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] BTF car(s).

If I'm interpreting the information which Tom Tait gave us, the movie
studio went out and bought a car to pass off as the original BTF car
when in fact it wasn't. It was just a car they bought, and presumably
transformed to look like the BTF car, so that they could reap some
publicity off of it. So, in reality, the car which Tom Tait says he
bought is really not the original car used to make any of the BTF cars
but just one they used to advertise the movie.

 

I don't want to imply that the car which Tom Tait bought is worth less
because of that; I merely want to be sure I understand what transpired
there. I would imagine the rest of us on this list would like to know
the true and accurate story as well. 

 

Because of what Tom told us, my question still stands, what did happen
to the original car or cars used in the movies? Does anyone know? 

 

My original question was prompted by a claim by someone who says he
bought the original BTF car and is restoring it. He did not identify
himself as Tom. I have not yet seen the car but I do know where he
lives, hence my desire to know where, or approximately where Tom Tait
lives.  

 

Might there be several cars out there claiming to be BTF originals? I'm
beginning to wonder.
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sandorp1 <piszar_at_dml_sbcglobal.net> wrote:Tom, that's pretty fortunate for
you. How did you learn about that car and who to make an offer to? And
do you have any pics?

Sandor
# 3002


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Tom Tait" wrote:
> I'm sure you will get lots of info in the picture cars, but to add
a
> side note.
> 
> #10902 was purchased by Universal in 1993 to raffle off at the
grand
> opening of the BTTF ride in Hollywood. 





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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:22:27 -0700
From: "Tom Tait" <TTait_at_dml_BRCWEB.com>
Subject: RE: What's on my stainless?

My car had black spray paint graffiti on it, and was covered in white
flecks of overspray when other vehicles were painted nearby.  Both came
off easily using the proper scotch brite pad available from most DMC
vendors.  A cleaner would likely be a better first step, but the pad
should work if needed.

Tom 

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Of ComposerZelgadis_at_dml_aol.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:29 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] What's on my stainless?

I, for one, love my stainless steel, as does the next guy, I'm sure.
So 
far, it's been extremely low maintenance, though I'm only about three
months into ownership here.
 
Something, though, has seemed to "stain" my stainless.  It all began
with hard city water, a cramped garage, and a sprinkler system.
 
Unfortunately, I have to park the car outside (no, I cannot change
this).  
To counter-act this problem, I'm working on a product to help  alleviate
some of the problems we get with a car parked outdoors.  But  I digress.
 
If it's a clear night, and the forecast looks good, I'll leave the car
without a cover.  If there's so much as one cloud above, the cover goes
right on.  
But on a few of these clear nights, the sprinkler system ran on  the
car.  I wake up the next morning, and there are dried water spots all
over the car.  
I take some warm water & dish soap to it, and I can  clean up
everything... 
except for the outer rings.  You simply cannot  notice them--at all--at
distance, but they stand out like a sore thumb if you  get close enough.
It's almost 
as if the sun has cooked it on there.   The rings vary from color.  I've
seen 
light grey to almost black  (thankfully, those are few).  I've tried
using Windex, Dawn Oxidation Dish  Soap, DMCH's SS Glo++, white vinegar,
Coca-Cola (for the phosphoric acid), and a  handful of other things I
can't seem to remember.  Nothing has even put a  dent (so to speak) in
these rings.  The SS Glo will "hide" the rings, but  once the polish
dries or is washed off, the rings come back (in the exact same  spots:
I've checked).  The only things I haven't tried so far is gasoline,  and
straight-up phosphoric acid.  And of course, regraining the panels, but
even that's unsatisfactory.  I can take pictures and post them later,
but I  was hoping someone out there has already faced this problem and
dealt with  it.  What's in our city water?  Not a clue!  But it did
something  to my stainless...  And yes, we have a water softener
installed.  Two  of them, in fact.  Any advice?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Regards,
William Fries
#1366


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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:44:17 -0700
From: "Tom Tait" <TTait_at_dml_BRCWEB.com>
Subject: RE: RPM Relay/ECM/Pulse generator Diagnostics

I'm concerned because my failure coincides with replacing the cap and rotor and I'm afraid I disturbed something at the distributor,  When I last had time to look at the car a few days ago (my wife is sick so the car is on the back burner for a bit)  I was able to determine that the RPM relay was not closing, but was getting a 3 volt DC signal as read by my meter.  I now understand that the signal is a pulse and cannot be read realizably in a DC voltage mode.

I'm happy to replace the relay, and am looking at the upgraded relay from SpecialTauto,  but I'm really more concerned that I screwed something up elsewhere.  My understand was that the signal went from the distributor to the ECM and then to the relay.  I'd love to verify proper operation of each of these components.

What do I really need to do?  Check Ohm reading at the rear firewall connector and verify 600 ohms - right?  At all times or only when cranking?  This tells me the distributor is ok, but maybe not the ECM?  I do suspect that I need to reset the timing at the distributor - when installing the cap I inadvertently knocked the Rotor, although I tried to put it back in its original position I probably screwed that up.  Could the timing being out cause the RPM relay to malfunction?

It just seems like a heck of a coincidence that I would lose an RPM relay while messing with the distributor.

Tom 

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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:36 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] RPM Relay/ECM/Pulse generator Diagnostics

 
 
Tom,
 
What exactly are you trying to accomplish or find out?
 
The "signal" going to the RPM relay is on the WS wire (white with a slate
stripe) and comes from the Ignition ECU to ignition coil  primary connection.  
It is a "tach" signal and thus you should be able  to get a reading with a standard automotive diagnostic tachometer.
 
If this info does not help, please give us more details about what you  need.
 
D² & 6530
Currently undergoing a water pump change.


Message: 6
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:16:59 -0700
From: "Tom Tait" <TTait_at_dml_BRCWEB.com>
Subject: RPM Relay/ECM/Pulse generator Diagnostics

Is there a procedure available to test the signal going to  the RMP relay?  Can the relay itself be tested with a 12 VDC power  supply or do I need an alternating/pulsing current?

Tom Tait  #10902



 
Thank  you,

Dave



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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:30:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: What an original fuel pump looks like in YOUR Delorean

Hello all,

     For those who dont know, ive stopped work on the
site in the last year until my second degree is
finished, which is next month. (Though i do keep it up
and running)

However, as a special treat Ive posted pictures of the
fuel pump replacement, done by Wolfgang Hank at his
shop in Bavaria.

For those who think that just because your delorean is
in good condition and well kept that the fuel pump is
ok, prepare to be surprised.

First I started with hesitation going uphill.
Then hesitation when starting moving from 0 kph
then hesitation at idle with the ac on
then a loud buzzing noise
then sudden death at random times.

The new pump cleared all of these issues up with no
other work.


see why in the galleries section under fuel pump
swapout.

http://retroserver.no-ip.com/

jordan
11613

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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:49:05 -0500
From: Greg Zapf <x86Daddy_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Penetrating oil, or how to remove really corroded nuts

I was facing the horrible and expensive task of replacing my
evaporator core due to it being frozen to the accumulator (corroded
nut).  I shot it about twice a day over the course of a week with PB
Blaster (penetrating oil) and it came off with relative ease after
that.  I didn't try to remove the nut during that week, so I don't
know how much of my soaking efforts were overkill...  but I'd just
recommend giving it more time to soak.

--Greg
#2894

On 7/4/05, Bernie <bmanderville_at_dml_comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi all, decided to dive in and start tinkering with the car this
> morning.  Immediate problems, all I want to do is replace the
> alternator, and the AC and Altrenator belts.  Well the adjusting bolt
> retaining nut (SP10037) on the lower AC pulley bracket (10072) is stuck
> on there like you would not believe, I have soaked it with penetrating
> oil for over 2 hours and it just will not breakfree, any one got any
> ideas?
> 
> Next thing is the alternator, the wires are so corroded to the nut they
> just spin with the nut when I loosen it.  These too have been soaking
> in penetrating oil.  Don't want to cut them off as there is not much
> wire there to begin with.
> 
> Any ideas or hints will be most appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bernie
> 
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 19:00:52 -0500
From: Greg Zapf <x86Daddy_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: BTF car(s).

I've been to that casino for dinner a couple times recently, during
which I had a good look at the car (#4090).  It's in pretty beat up
shape, and I have doubts as to it being a filmed car from the movies. 
For example, the Mr. Fusion is a cylindrical piece of painted plastic
or wood, not a coffee grinder...  the flux capacitor is a Y shaped
arrangement of neon or cold cathode lights...  pretty, but not "screen
accurate."  If someone has some tell-tales or whatever that they'd
like me to look at, I'll be glad to check it out next time I go for
all the lobster and waffles I can eat.  :-)  The car is in a sort of
flower-bed elevated area, so I can't get close to the interior or the
right-side of the car nearly as easily as the outside left, front, and
back.

--Greg
#2894

On 7/4/05, kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com <kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com> wrote:
> One other of the BTTF cars is in the Hollywood Casino in Tunica Mississippi
> and was the location of the DCS 2002
> 
> Ken
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:51:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Faded N Jaded <fadednjaded_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: BTF cars.


Dave,

 

Thank you for taking your time to explain the apparent abundance of “original” Back to the Future cars out there. I also want to thank the other list members who have also done so and those who may still do so.

 

It’s interesting to read about the George Barris replicas and his lack of a role in the making of the original movie cars.  

 

What I gather, from what you and the other List members have written, is that there is no crystal clear irrefutable record of what happened to each and every car used in the making of the trilogy of BTF movies. As you say, "It is possible that one or more made it out into the public...".  

 

Maybe some day such a record will emerge.

 

Faded    

 

 

 

   


Dave Swingle <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com> wrote:Actually there are quite a few of them out there now. There are 
the "open" replicas where the owner tells you that they are replicas 
(most of the owners of these are on the list - Brandys, Holler etc.). 
The more insidious ones are the George Barris replicas. Barris had 
nothing at all to do with the original movie cars, but is now making 
replicas that are in car museums all over the country. They ARE 
signed by him on the front fender, but generally the museum people 
seem ignorant that the cars are not actually from Universal or from 
the movie.

According to the movie producers, all the DeLorean cars from the 
movie are still in posession of Universal or have been destroyed. It 
is possible that one or more made it out into the public, for example 
we do know that "Biff's BMW from the future" is currently being 
restored in private hands. 

Dave S


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Faded N Jaded 
wrote:
> If I'm interpreting the information which Tom Tait gave us, the 
movie studio went out and bought a car to pass off as the original 
BTF car when in fact it wasn't. It was just a car they bought, and 
presumably transformed to look like the BTF car, so that they could 
reap some publicity off of it. So, in reality, the car which Tom Tait 
says he bought is really not the original car used to make any of the 
BTF cars but just one they used to advertise the movie.
> 
> 
> 
> I don't want to imply that the car which Tom Tait bought is worth 
less because of that; I merely want to be sure I understand what 
transpired there. I would imagine the rest of us on this list would 
like to know the true and accurate story as well. 
> 
> 
> 
> Because of what Tom told us, my question still stands, what did 
happen to the original car or cars used in the movies? Does anyone 
know? 
> 
> 
> 
> My original question was prompted by a claim by someone who says he 
bought the original BTF car and is restoring it. He did not identify 
himself as Tom. I have not yet seen the car but I do know where he 
lives, hence my desire to know where, or approximately where Tom Tait 
lives. 
> 
> 
> 
> Might there be several cars out there claiming to be BTF originals? 
I'm beginning to wonder.
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 17:43:44 -0700
From: "Daniel F." <daniel_at_dml_ramblerman.com>
Subject: Re: engine swap?

Marc,

Originally, in the beginning of this project, I decided that I wanted
to have the engine retain it's "factory" air cleaner style, even though
I knew that the air cleaner is fairly restrictive. To keep the air
cleaner mounting the same, yes, I decided to use the fuel meter
housing, but completely gut it. I  removed the air flow sensor plate
with counter balance mechanism, the fuel distributor, the anti-backfire
block and everything else that didn't belong. After I cleaned it up,
resealed the two halves, and fabricated a block-off plate where the
fuel distributor was, it seems to have better flow!

Recently, I have discovered that even though the passenger side
fuel rail clears the bottom of the air cleaner, which I checked for
early on in the project, the injector connectors and wiring actually
might be in the way! Now I am thinking about using a Volvo cold
air intake like I have seen on some cars (like Danny's time machine
in Garden Grove), but of course still with the gutted fuel meter
housing.

I did think about custom intake alternatives, but decided at the
moment to try the stock unit. However, this EFI conversion
keeps evolving, so we will see what happens!  :-)

Daniel
VIN 10920

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Marc Levy wrote:

>Did you remove the stock fuel meter housing?  IMHO,
>this item is restrictive (Well, the whole intake is!)
>and you will see an improvement with it removed.
>
>The last EFI DeLorean discussed on the DML had a
>custom intake manifold too.  Maybe you want to
>investigate something like that?
>
>Good luck!  I am glad to see some more people doing
>EFI conversions on the DeLorean.  With any luck, it
>will be a well documented process that others can
>copy.
>
>--- "Daniel F." <daniel_at_dml_ramblerman.com> wrote:
><SNIP>
>  
>
>>I also agree that keeping the original PRV is a good
>>idea for many reasons. That is why I decided to just "modernize"
>>it, instead of just swapping it out for a different engine. Besides
>>the EFI, I also have professionally-made custom headers and exhaust
>>system (which I cannot take credit for), K&N air filter and
>>Accel coil, and I love the performance. When you open the engine
>>cover it looks basically stock with the exception of some fuel
>>rails and no K-Jetronic fuel system clutter!
>>




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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:14:09 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: 'best handling car'

Group, 
 
Just thought I would share a little compliment I got from a guy the other  
day.  I recently hired a younger guy who is really REALLY into sport  compact 
tuning.  Not ricing, but REAL tuning as in adding turbos,  superchargers, 
nitrous, intercoolers, big brakes, etc to imports like nissans  and acura's and 
such.  Well anyway, he heard from other employees that I  have a DeLorean and he 
kept begging me to see it and talking about how he wanted  to drive one and 
stuff.  I rarely bring it to work but finally I gave  in.  He was very impressed 
with the car's stance and shape, and thought it  looked way better than he 
imagined it.  Of course he begged to go for a  drive.  Well I normally don't do 
this but I know he is smart and knows what  he is doing and I had gotten to 
know him well enough the last couple weeks so I  gave in and told him to be back 
in five minutes.  When he came back he had  the biggest grin on his face and 
told me it was the one of the best handling  cars he has ever driven.  He said 
it wasn't really underpowered but if it  had just a little more power it would 
be even better.  Pretty impressive  coming from a guy who is used to 
autocrossing STi's and nitrous powers  SHO's.
 
Andy


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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 20:14:32 -0500
From: "Jace & Jenn" <judtnet_at_dml_cableone.net>
Subject: Help! Door lock problem!

Group,

I have been having some problems with my door locks.  I can lock once and unlock once.  After that,  the locks will not respond for quite some time.  I can then lock once and unlock once again and the process starts all over.

I have tested the solenoids independently for proper function, and they both work flawlessly.  I am getting power at the switches.  I opened the door lock module and can manually trip lock/unlock to work.  Toby Peterson suggested that the capacitors may be malfunctioning, so I replaced them to no avail.

Help!  What can I do next?

Thanks,
Jace
VIN 3488




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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:46:25 -0400
From: "Cecil Longwisch" <dmc1982_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: side stripe

That was Ken Costa's car with the blue strip. He had it made at a local shop in the Orlando area. It did add a different look to the car.
 He has since sold the car.
I think Video Bob can make a stripe in any color...right Bob?

Cecil Longwisch
#10663




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  Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 10:13 AM
  Subject: [DML] side stripe


  About a year ago there was some pictures of a Delorean with a blue 
  side stripe, does any one know who's car this was and where did they 
  get the blue stripes?






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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:46:09 EDT
From: Packodenton_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Buyers Guide in July 05 edition of Classic Motorsports magazine NICE!!!

The July 2005 Classic Motorsports magazine has a very nice DeLorean DMC12  
buyers guide article. The article is well written and includes  several nice 
pictures of some very nice DeLorean automobiles. I  enjoyed reading a positive 
DeLorean article for a change.  The author was  professional, positive & well 
sourced...Thank you Edward Bernstein, you are  still respected here.
 
Sincerely Yours,
Michael Pack
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:08:48 -0500
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Engine won't start

You need 8 to 10 volts to crank the car on white /yellow wire on terminal 15
Right side of the ignition coil. The white/yellow comes from the bottom
right side or output of the resistor. Here is a link on the web of what it
looks like.
John Hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/images/coilwires.jpg



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From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com [mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of David Sontos
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 11:43 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Engine won't start


replaced water pump and all hoses
new spark plugs
new injectors
600 ohms at distributor pickup coil
pickup coil shows no grounding
1.8 volts at terminal #1 on coil
no spark at plugs
no pulsing at RPM relay
no movement of tachometer in dash during cranking
tachometer is sitting on zero?

Coil and all three computers tested ok in another car

Any suggestions of what to look at next.

Dave Sontos





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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 00:31:45 -0500
From: "Jake Kamphoefner" <jakekamp_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Auto Trans Computer Test?


Has anyone come up with a way to test auto trans governors while they're off the car?

I'm working on a club member's car and we traced one issue from his auto trans to a dirty connection under the coil cover.  Another issue is apparently being caused by the governor and I'd like to make sure the one I rebuilt for him is working before we go through the trouble of putting it on....

I've got the test lights already thanks to another owner here in beautiful southern Illinois, but that only helps me test the one that's on the car.  :-)

Jake Kamphoefner
1063


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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 00:56:08 -0500
From: "Jake Kamphoefner" <jakekamp_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: New Seat Covers


Well, I've finally decided that I am no longer satisfied with the condition of my seat covers in 1063.  It's really a shame as the leather looks beautiful, except for the bottoms cracking.  Leatherique-ing the hell out of them bought me about a year, but honestly the damage was done long before I bought the car.  They were just too dry and I'd like to replace them before they develop any tears.

So, I've seen Houston's grey covers and they look really sharp.  -But has anyone any experience with the black ones?  I'm looking for opinions on feel, fit, and finish before I go buying.  Also, how about the color match?  Also, if anyone could send me pics of the covers installed in the car (including someone from DMCH, if you happen to have one in the shop), I'd be most appreciative.  Realistically, I'll probably buy them anyway, but it'll make me feel better before dropping 600 bones on them ;-)

I guess if anyone has got OEM covers at a reasonable price, I'd be interested in those, too.  But I've seen what happens to 24 year old leather once!

Jake Kamphoefner
jakekamp(at)sbcglobal.net


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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 03:11:07 -0400
From: ComposerZelgadis_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: What's on my stainless?

Thanks to all for the replies; it is truly appreciated!

I had considered regraining the panels, but to be honest, I'm most 
hesitant to do so.  Mainly because I have minimal skill with 
regraining.  I "buffed" a scratch out of my front left fender, and the 
result was most satisfactory.  However, I had something to brace myself 
on (that being the edge of the car) to insure I was going in a 
perfectly straight line.  I do not have this advantage with my hood 
(which is where most of the waterspots are visible).

I guess I'm willing to attempt it, but I have some questions first.

1) If you regrain only one portion of the panel, does it show?  i.e. do 
you have to regrain the entire hood evenly?

2) What is the proper procedure of regraining?  Do you move only in one 
direction, or can you go back and forth?

3) Is there any kind of cleaner I should spray on the hood before 
regraining?  Or can this be done "dry"?

4) What tips/tricks are there to insure that you're going in perfect 
harmony with the existing grain?

5) Is there anything a newbie should be aware of before undertaking 
this project?  Please keep in mind that I have minimal technical 
experience; make no assumptions of knowlege on my part.  Basically, 
talk to me like I'm a twelve year old (never thought I'd hear myself 
say that! Haha)

Thanks a bunch in advance, guys.  I appreciate it.

Regards,
William Fries
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:45:52 -0000
From: "sandorp1" <piszar_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: What an original fuel pump looks like in YOUR Delorean

Jordan,

Thanks for all the articles and pics you post.  I have used them a 
few times, such as when I swapped out my speakers.  Your site is 
extremely valuable!

Also, good luck on finishing your second degree.  I just wrapped up 
my MBA in May and it is nice to finally be done.   

Sandor
# 3002



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_y...> 
wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
>      For those who dont know, ive stopped work on the
> site in the last year until my second degree is
> finished, which is next month. (Though i do keep it up
> and running)
> 
> However, as a special treat Ive posted pictures of the
> fuel pump replacement, done by Wolfgang Hank at his
> shop in Bavaria.
> 
> For those who think that just because your delorean is
> in good condition and well kept that the fuel pump is
> ok, prepare to be surprised.
> 
> First I started with hesitation going uphill.
> Then hesitation when starting moving from 0 kph
> then hesitation at idle with the ac on
> then a loud buzzing noise
> then sudden death at random times.
> 
> The new pump cleared all of these issues up with no
> other work.
> 
> 
> see why in the galleries section under fuel pump
> swapout.
> 
> http://retroserver.no-ip.com/
> 
> jordan
> 11613
> 
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:52:38 -0400
From: "Travis Goodwin" <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: RE: BTF car(s).

The differences might be due to it being used only in long shots. 

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From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com [mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Greg Zapf
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 8:01 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] BTF car(s).

I've been to that casino for dinner a couple times recently, during
which I had a good look at the car (#4090).  It's in pretty beat up
shape, and I have doubts as to it being a filmed car from the movies. 
For example, the Mr. Fusion is a cylindrical piece of painted plastic
or wood, not a coffee grinder...  the flux capacitor is a Y shaped
arrangement of neon or cold cathode lights...  pretty, but not "screen
accurate."  If someone has some tell-tales or whatever that they'd
like me to look at, I'll be glad to check it out next time I go for
all the lobster and waffles I can eat.  :-)  The car is in a sort of
flower-bed elevated area, so I can't get close to the interior or the
right-side of the car nearly as easily as the outside left, front, and
back.

--Greg
#2894

On 7/4/05, kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com <kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com> wrote:
> One other of the BTTF cars is in the Hollywood Casino in Tunica
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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:39:55 -0000
From: "Joe OBrien" <joeyoseppijoe_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: What's on my stainless?

Outdoor CarCoon would be the best thing for you. Otherwise the car 
will start rapidly aging fast living outdoors fulltime.

Just an FYI for a new owner.


-Joe O'Brien


2524,
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16851










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