Subject:[DML] Digest Number 2827
From:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Date:30 Aug 2005 20:03:02 -0000
To:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Roll over picture [was Question.....]
From: "denverdelorean" <denverdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Re: Blowing fuses with LEDs.
From: "Videobob Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

3. RE: Re: Anyone got anything clever?
From: "Videobob Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

4. Part #108675 - HOSE,WATER
From: "Mike Bosworth" <mike.bosworth_at_dml_btinternet.com>

5. Re: Kit car D
From: "Randal" <azman3us_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. Need Grey Dash Panel, Glove Box and Installation Instructions
From: "contactjuggle" <contactjuggle_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. Re: Re: Anyone got anything clever?
From: lordshill_at_dml_aol.com

8. Reproduction Headlight Switch - UPDATE!
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_delorean.com>

9. Re: emergency brake pads cross ref?
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

10. Re: Blowing fuses with LEDs.
From: "Joseph Kuchan" <josephkuchan_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. valve adj
From: "stainlessilusion" <5n-_at_dml_gmx.net>

12. Re: Re: Kit car D
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. 508 or 510, what is the answer?! Vin 3323 Update
From: "brandelorean" <brandelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

14. Re: Anyone got anything clever?
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_optonline.net>

15. 3 Month Storage
From: Todd Nelson <tan5732_at_dml_rit.edu>

16. Business Cards
From: Richard Rosales <calif93030_at_dml_yahoo.com>

17. Troubles-updated/flames from exhaust
From: "stainlessilusion" <5n-_at_dml_gmx.net>

18. Re: Part #108675 - HOSE,WATER
From: "Jake Kamphoefner" <jakekamp_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>

19. RE: 3 Month Storage
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

20. Kind of related to the car show questions.
From: "alex morgan" <mauibarber_at_dml_hotmail.com>

21. Shifter Knob
From: "geoff_ombao" <geoff_ombao_at_dml_yahoo.com>

22. Re: Part #108675 - HOSE,WATER
From: "Chris Hawes" <chris_at_dml_chawes.demon.co.uk>

23. Re: Need Grey Dash Panel, Glove Box and Installation Instructions
From: "Chris Hawes" <chris_at_dml_chawes.demon.co.uk>

24. RE: 508 or 510, what is the answer?! Vin 3323 Update
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

25. Re: Part #108675 - HOSE,WATER
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:33:15 -0000
From: "denverdelorean" <denverdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Roll over picture [was Question.....]



>> The frame and driveline seem fine.
>> This looks like a driver error.
>> - VB


I agree. I think the TAB problem is a bit of a witch hunt.  I have 
never seen or heard of a "Catastrophic Faliure" attributed directly to 
the tabs.  I have only heard it referred to as a possibility.  That 
wreck looks like an off-road adventure.  As Bob said.  The rear wheels 
are perfectly aligned.

Matt
#16076
original, unbent TAB's






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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:43:58 -0500
From: "Videobob Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Blowing fuses with LEDs.

Chances are, what we have here is a positive wire from the lighting system 
lightly touching the ground somewhere.
This might have happened while pulling the light fixtures out to install the 
LED's.
Could be the one of the little tongs inside one of the lights has been push 
over
and it shorting out to the other side, or could be a defectively wired LED 
light.
I would check all the LED bulbs first.
- VB



>>From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
>>Subject: Re: [DML] Blowing fuses with LEDs.
>>Are you serious about the LED ? Blowing a fuse when installing
>>them the other direction ?
>>Hope nobody believed that !






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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:44:42 -0500
From: "Videobob Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Anyone got anything clever?

I point into the back and say, "there it is"...and it blows their mind.
- VB




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:25:01 -0000
From: "Mike Bosworth" <mike.bosworth_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Part #108675 - HOSE,WATER

Hi All

Does anyone have this part that actually fits properly??  :)  This is 
the large drivers side hose that comes off the top of the water pump 
and offsets around the ac belt. My car along with others have hoses 
that rub on the inside of the back facsia or cant be pointed in a 
downward direction enough so as to avoid the AC belt (or cause an air 
lock in the top end), they just dont seem to be the 'right shape' for 
the application. Yes all hoses have been bought from D vendors .

Any help before i purchase my second new hose greatly appreciated.

Kind Regards

Mike
#2001
UK







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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:35:48 -0000
From: "Randal" <azman3us_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kit car D

Sometimes I say yes it was built from a (chose one) Lambo, Vector W8, 
Lotus, Porsche.... and watch their faces!

Randal 








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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:46:37 -0000
From: "contactjuggle" <contactjuggle_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Need Grey Dash Panel, Glove Box and Installation Instructions

Hello,
 
 Does anyone have a Grey Dash and/or a grey glove box for sale?  I am 
planning on installing it myself, instructions or a web site that shows 
how to do it would be great!!

Thanks,
Brian W.







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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:02:23 EDT
From: lordshill_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone got anything clever?

Hello:  I've only been to a few small shows and have had none of the  idiot 
questions yet.  I know they are sure to come though.  I have had  nothing but 
good comments and honest questions.  It has been confused with  the Bricklin 
and when politely corrected the answer seems to light a bulb.   People do want 
to touch the stainless steel and that is ok.  There were two  little girls at 
the last show who wanted to sit in it and asked  permission.  Their smiles 
sitting in the D was priceless and that was the  first time someone asked to sit 
in it.  The D draws a lot of positive  comments.  This weekend is a big show.   
It is a mostly British car  show but has other categories.  It usually is in 
a county park but this  year is at a English styled tavern and maybe that will 
keep the idiots  down.  I've had unique discussions with the uneducated about 
my MGTD and  MGB.  
    I have made copies of some of the great comebacks  here and am now 
adequately armed.
 
Roy  #0893


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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:19:27 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Reproduction Headlight Switch - UPDATE!

Over the weekend YOU ALL took the headlight switch preorder count over
250! A big congratulations to the 200+ owners and shops that stepped up
to get this program underway. I've already been in contact with our
supplier and got the wheels in motion on the reproduction headlight
switches. Progress reports will be posted in our monthly email 
newsletter and the the dmchelp.com forums.

http://www.delorean.com/dmcstore/ENewsSignup.asp

http://www.dmcehlp.com/eve

The new price of headlight switches is now $50, this price is effective 
immediately.

Regards,

James Espey

------------------------------------
DeLorean Motor Company
Vice President
james_at_dml_delorean.com
15023 Eddie Drive
Humble, Texas 77396 USA
tel: 800/872-3621
tel2:281/441-2537
fax: 281/441-2813
http://www.delorean.com
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:29:26 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: emergency brake pads cross ref?

John Hervey wrote:


>>Martin. 
>>Yes I saw that EBC is making them also and I wonder if they are making them
>>for Mintex. 
>>


Not at all - EBC specialise in Kevlar pads and we have had trouble 
getting a car with new cables, calipers and new regular pads through the 
MOT brake test before the pads were bedded in 9tough given what they 
do!). A set of EBC's on another car with exactly the same work, at the 
same MOT test centre passed first time. They were noticably more grippy

Martin





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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:45:16 -0500
From: "Joseph Kuchan" <josephkuchan_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Blowing fuses with LEDs.

A diode that has been reversed biased (hooked up backwards) by a voltage 
higher than it's peak reverse voltage (PRV) reading will short, (turn into a 
virtual piece of wire) and henceforth will blow fuses no matter which 
direction you hook it up in afterwards.

-Joe Kuchan



>>From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
>>Subject: Re: [DML] Blowing fuses with LEDs.
>>Are you serious about the LED ? Blowing a fuse when installing
>>them the other direction ?
>>Hope nobody believed that !






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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:55:12 -0000
From: "stainlessilusion" <5n-_at_dml_gmx.net>
Subject: valve adj

Book only shows cold values, does anyone know what intake and exhaust
valves/tappets are adjusted to with engine HOT? -----Dani B. #5003







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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:58:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Kit car D

I think Dave Stragand and Project Vixen holds the
records for "Closest-to-a-kit" Delorean.

(For anyone who hasn't seen Dave's project, when he
bought his D, it was COMPLETELY disassembled.  Even
the alternator was in pieces.)

Check it out a www.projectvixen.com

Steve


>> --- coreysmoo <coreysmoo_at_dml_hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>
>>> > Yeah, I got asked once at a gas station if my D
>
>> was a kit built out of a Fiero. 





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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:46:16 -0000
From: "brandelorean" <brandelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: 508 or 510, what is the answer?! Vin 3323 Update

Hey Everyone,

We actually got the body over the frame this last week and I'm slowly 
hooking everything up so that I can drop the body onto the frame and 
get everything tightened down (hopefully for the last time).  I will 
be posting a few more pics under Vin 3323 Restoration tonight.  

My main question is regarding the AC System.  I am using an Eagle 
Premier Engine and was wondering if I should go with the Sanden 508 
or the Sanden 510?  I'm going with the 6 groove configuration so they 
atleast provide that (based off what I saw on Ebay).

Is there a big difference in the two different models?  I know the 
510 has 10 cubic inches and the 508 is 8 but is there a tremendous 
difference between the two?  I definitely see the price 
difference  :)   

I'm also wondering about the Accumulator/Drier, how do I know if it's 
good or not?  With Vin 3323, I have the earlier version with the 
connection on the bottom.  The system was connected but drained when 
I got the vehicle and I'd really like to not replace anything I don't 
have to.  

The accumulator stated on the DML for converting over to R134A states 
a 1986 Corvette Accumulator/Drier that will work with both 134a & R12 
if you convert back.  Does this mean I could use a 508 or 510 
compressor and use the 86' corvette accumulator/drier, pop in a new 
orifice tube, and recharge the system?  (Does that drier work with 
the older setup?)

If I went that far should I just go the R134A way?    

I'd like to hear your opinions on what you'd do, to get the AC 
working in the cheapest way possible.  It's not a necessity as 
getting the car running if my first priority....but I'd like to hook 
everything AC-wise up before I drop the body and have a set-in-stone 
direction of what I'll eventually do when I get to the AC.

Thanks for you input!

Brandon
Vin 3323







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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:08:27 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone got anything clever?

I just say I have the "Hover Conversion" on back order and the "Flux
Capacitor" option was not available at the time the car was built. I
don't get that many asking about that anymore. I used to hear all the
Coke jokes but I don't hear that much either anymore. Now I get a lot
of "Didn't he (JZD) just die recently?
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:32:59 -0400
From: Todd Nelson <tan5732_at_dml_rit.edu>
Subject: 3 Month Storage

List:

It looks like I will be needing to store my Delorean for around three months, is there any preparation I should be doing for a semi long-term storage such as this.  I'm planning on filling up the gas tank to reduce condensation buildup, removing the battery, parking on a tarp to keep moisture off the underbody, covering the car with a breathable car cover, and heavily using good leather conditioner on the leather areas of the seats.  I would also like to place a desiccant inside to reduce moisture, but am not sure where to find one, any ideas?  Also note the car will be in a garage the entire time.  Does this sound like enough preparation?  Also, is there anything I should know about firing the car up when I get back?  Other than squirting some oil in the cylinders.

Thanks,
Todd Nelson
1561, Vermont


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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:32:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Richard Rosales <calif93030_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Business Cards

Does anyone know where I can find a company that makes business cards with the Delorean symbol on them?  I think it would be nice to be able to pass them out when you go to Delorean functions and meet new people. Thanks for the help!
 
Richard
VIN:2800



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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:23:13 -0000
From: "stainlessilusion" <5n-_at_dml_gmx.net>
Subject: Troubles-updated/flames from exhaust

Yea…flames…but I'll get to that later-I'll start by
mentioning the 
work I did. I removing the intake to find that the #4 O-ring was 
leaking (oily substance dripping down from the ring), so I cleaned 
all grooves with a Q-tip and rotor cleaner and smeared a light coat 
of hi-temp silicone over the rings. I also did a vacuum test, 
plugging in my gauge left side intake barb. My gauge jumped madly 
between 16~17 and 19 in HG, and stayed like this even while revving 
up, increased over 20 when I let off the throttle-which is normal. 
But is the vacuum reading at idle something I should be concerned 
about or is this good? Leaving the vacuum lines hooked up or 
stopping them did not impact the reading. Also while dealing with 
the intake rings- I cleaned the contacts of all sensors in the water 
pipe and put it all back together again. Playing with the FV today-
Just for kicks I took out the jumper wire I installed in the full 
throttle switch and after adjusting the CO once again, Bingo-the FV 
runs constant! I still have a warm-up and hard start problem though, 
but I know the starting is from a leak in the system somewhere 
because every time I go to start the car, even a half an hour after 
shutting it down; the accumulator needs to fill. I can tell because 
I can hear the spring in the accumulator kinking under compression. 
There is a strong odor of fuel outside the car and sometimes inside, 
so I'd doubt my accumulator decided to quit; its only 4 years old
at 
best. Odor is coming from??? Not sure, not from the engine bay and 
the trunk always has light smell of gas but I checked the pump and 
the boot isn't leaking. This leaves the lines and everything
under 
the car. I'm going through gas quicker then normal so leak is my 
guess. Now for the flames thing, I was still tinkering with the car 
in the dark and figured while I had the car running I'd try the 
flashlight to see exhaust smoke like others recommended. Well I did 
this both at idle and while revving the car and noticed a 
whitish/bluish puff of smoke when I hit the spool to rev the car and 
sharply let off. I shut the light off and turns out this wasn't 
smoke at all, but flames! When I sharply rev and let off, the 
muffler cracks while blowing small flames from both pipes. I have no 
catalytics installed yet. I also have a loud knocking valve on the 
left [4-6] bank I'm investigating. Could this be from bad valve 
timing? I checked all valve lash on this bank and they're all
fine… 
If anyone has any suggestions or comments on any of this, I'd 
appreciate it. Thank you all for your help and KEEP YOUR DELO DRY 
down south! Hope everyone affected is okay and stays safe! -----Dani 
B. #5003






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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:05:59 -0500
From: "Jake Kamphoefner" <jakekamp_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Part #108675 - HOSE,WATER


I've found a lot of hoses on my car that slightly rub other things.  One of 
the first things I did when I bought my car was go through and cushion all 
of them so as not to cause damage to the important stuff.  What to do?  Go 
to any auto parts store and ask for a couple feet of heater hose.  Then cut 
it open and make some rubber "patches" in squares.  Zip-tie them on with 
black zip ties at the rub points and you're all set.  The heater hose 
matches perfectly, and it absorbs all the rubbing.  I inspect mine 
periodically, and I'm glad the patch gets all the wear!

Jake Kamphoefner
VIN 1063


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Bosworth" <mike.bosworth_at_dml_btinternet.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: [DML] Part #108675 - HOSE,WATER



>> Hi All
>>
>> Does anyone have this part that actually fits properly??  :)  This is
>> the large drivers side hose that comes off the top of the water pump
>> and offsets around the ac belt. My car along with others have hoses
>> that rub on the inside of the back facsia or cant be pointed in a
>> downward direction enough so as to avoid the AC belt (or cause an air


>>
>>
>> 






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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:22:58 -0500
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: 3 Month Storage

Todd, If you fill it up the fuel pump boot will be in fuel the whole time. I
would put the least amount in the tank with a little fuel stabilizer, run
the engine for a few minutes and then not worry about it.
John Hervey
www.specialtauto.com



-----Original Message-----
From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com [mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Nelson
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 4:33 PM
To: DMC-News
Subject: [DML] 3 Month Storage

List:

It looks like I will be needing to store my Delorean for around three
months, is there any preparation I should be doing for a semi long-term
storage such as this.  I'm planning on filling up the gas tank to reduce
condensation buildup, removing the battery, parking on a tarp to keep
moisture off the underbody, covering the car with a breathable car cover,







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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 05:05:50 +0000
From: "alex morgan" <mauibarber_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Kind of related to the car show questions.

I was reading on the prowler owners association website that many of the 
owners purchase diecast prowler toys (hot wheel type cars) for about .75 
cents in bulk.  When kids come up and are genuinley interested in the car at 
car shows, gas stations etc. they educate them and give the child the toy.  
I thought this was a great way of getting younger kids excited about 
deloreans and also spreading a positive image.  It would be great if we 
delorean owners could get our hands on some diecast toys for about .75 cents 
each.  The only cars Ive seen are those "pace setter" cars but I don't think 
they are in production any more.  I wonder how many we would have to order 
to get them to make them again?

-Alex






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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 05:52:20 -0000
From: "geoff_ombao" <geoff_ombao_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Shifter Knob

Greetings,

Does anyone here know where I can purchase a brushed stainless (or aluminiun) manual 
shifter knob?

- Geoff






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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:38:10 +0100
From: "Chris Hawes" <chris_at_dml_chawes.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Part #108675 - HOSE,WATER

I had to change mine last year too.  I bought the hose from DMCH and also 
the 108682 - BRACKET that was missing on my car.  I smeared a little washing 
up liquid on the either end of the hose to have it slip on at the ends okay. 
The bracket stops the hose being sliced on by the AC belt.  It is normal for 
the hose to rest against the back fascia and you will find it sort of 
settles after a while as when I first put mine on I was sure it would not 
fit right.

Regards

Chris Hawes
vin 5255
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Bosworth" <mike.bosworth_at_dml_btinternet.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:25 PM
Subject: [DML] Part #108675 - HOSE,WATER



>> Hi All
>>
>> Does anyone have this part that actually fits properly??  :)  This is
>>





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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:54:28 +0100
From: "Chris Hawes" <chris_at_dml_chawes.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Need Grey Dash Panel, Glove Box and Installation Instructions

It is VERY difficult to have the grey match as there are different tones out 
there.  My advice would be to buy both if you can to ensure there is no 
tonal mis-match and then ebay off your old one(s).

Regards
Chris H

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "contactjuggle" <contactjuggle_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:46 PM
Subject: [DML] Need Grey Dash Panel, Glove Box and Installation Instructions



>> Hello,
>>
>> Does anyone have a Grey Dash and/or a grey glove box for sale?  I am
>> planning on installing it myself, instructions or a web site that shows
>> how to do it would be great!!








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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:28:22 -0500
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: 508 or 510, what is the answer?! Vin 3323 Update

Brandon, 
The car came with the 510, and due to the heat I would go back with it.
Always replace the accumulator and orifice when tearing down the ac system.
If you don't it's like changing the oil without changing the filter. Also,
factories won't warranty a new compressor with out replacing the 2. 
If your going back with used compressor, be sure to evac the system, clean
out the lines and recharge.
John Hervey
www.specialtauto.com

  

-----Original Message-----
From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com [mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
brandelorean
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:46 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] 508 or 510, what is the answer?! Vin 3323 Update

Hey Everyone,

We actually got the body over the frame this last week and I'm slowly 
hooking everything up so that I can drop the body onto the frame and 
get everything tightened down (hopefully for the last time).  I will 
be posting a few more pics under Vin 3323 Restoration tonight.  

My main question is regarding the AC System.  I am using an Eagle 
Premier Engine and was wondering if I should go with the Sanden 508 
or the Sanden 510?  I'm going with the 6 groove configuration so they 
atleast provide that (based off what I saw on Ebay).

Is there a big difference in the two different models?  I know the 
510 has 10 cubic inches and the 508 is 8 but is there a tremendous 
difference between the two?  I definitely see the price 
difference  :)   


 







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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:39:32 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Part #108675 - HOSE,WATER

Mike Bosworth wrote:


>>Hi All
>>
>>Does anyone have this part that actually fits properly??  :)  This is 
>>the large drivers side hose that comes off the top of the water pump 
>>and offsets around the ac belt. My car along with others have hoses 
>>that rub on the inside of the back facsia or cant be pointed in a 
>>downward direction enough so as to avoid the AC belt 
>>


I'm guessing you're missing the P-bracket number 14 on this image

http://www.usadmc.com/dmcstore/images%5C132.gif

Missing on a lot of cars

Martin





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