Subject:[DML] Digest Number 2894
From:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Date:27 Sep 2005 18:00:38 -0000
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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Fanzilla Clones
From: "Shain Brannan" <dsmguy_at_dml_ptd.net>

2. Mechanic Still Available in NC
From: "Jeff Friday" <DeLorean_Type304_at_dml_msn.com>

3. RE: Delorean Mid-Atlantic Fall Tour 2005
From: Delorean Mid-Altantic Club <clubevents_at_dml_deloreanmidatlantic.com>

4. Re: Steering lock doesn't unlock
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

5. RE: Steering lock doesn't unlock
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

6. Delorean Midatlantic Fall Tour 2005
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_optonline.net>

7. Re: Variations of the original big Sales Brochure?
From: Packodenton_at_dml_aol.com

8. RE: Wiring in some extra juice
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

9. Re: Wiring in some extra juice
From: Ryan Wright <ryanpwright_at_dml_gmail.com>

10. Re: Variations of the original big Sales Brochure?
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Car spotted at shop in Bowling Green, KY
From: Qumefox <qumefox_at_dml_brazi.net>

12. Re: Steering rack boot installation
From: "Joe OBrien" <joeyoseppijoe_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. Re: LONG! Electrical experts: Fan relay wiring help
From: "Duke" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

14. Cooling System Refilling
From: "Robert J. Wilson" <rjwilson62_at_dml_yahoo.com>

15. Re: Cat removal
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

16. "D" may stand for Divorce....the ongoing 6859 saga
From: "delorean6859" <tmadsop_at_dml_comcast.net>

17. LED Center Console Burnout
From: Rod Dillman <rhdillman_at_dml_yahoo.com>

18. "Mock" DeLorean needed
From: "Michael C. Babb" <mcbabb_at_dml_gmail.com>

19. More good press for DeLorean's and their owners
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_delorean.com>

20. Re: Re: Cooling fans
From: Gus Schlachter <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>

21. Re: "D" may stand for Divorce....the ongoing 6859 saga
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>

22. Parts for sale
From: "mydmc5898" <mydmc5898_at_dml_yahoo.com>

23. Re: Cooling fans
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

24. Re: More good press for DeLorean's and their owners
From: Michael Babb <mcbabb_at_dml_gmail.com>

25. Re: Re: Cooling fans
From: Todd Nelson <tan5732_at_dml_rit.edu>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 01:43:24 -0000
From: "Shain Brannan" <dsmguy_at_dml_ptd.net>
Subject: Re: Fanzilla Clones

Jake,

As long as everything goes well,  my fanzillia "clone" as they call 
it should be available from Rob Grady within a 2 week period.  
Please email me directly for more questions.

-Shain Brannan

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jake Kamphoefner" <jakekamp_at_dml_s...> 
wrote:

>> 
>> The big question is "WHEN??"  We've been hearing this for a long 

time.  I 

>> needed one two years ago, so unless Bob also is producing a flux 

capacitor, 

>> he's late for my order!   :-) 
>> 
>> Jake Kamphoefner
>> 1063 --> still wanting a Fanzilla but highly considering recent 

substitutes.

>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Oliver Holler" <thehauntfactory_at_dml_a...>
>> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 10:51 PM
>> Subject: [DML] Fanzilla Clones
>> 
>> 
>
>>> > The Zilla line will be back.
>>> > That's the word from the man behind the name.
>>> > (According to website: Bob Zilla BA EE, Electrical Engineer Pratt
>>> > Institute NY 76
>>> >  Graduated _at_dml_ top of class with Honors. Earned exemption from 

Fields

>>> > final 'Calculus for Wave Theory & Analysis'
>>> > -Yes, there is a human life behind all the work and 

manufacturing.

>>> > And life's little twists and turns (along with the steady demand 

from

>>> > discriminating DeLorean owners!) have depleted most of the 

existing

>>> > supply of Zilla products.  But I am told their new facility will 

once

>>> > again start producing the products we've come to expect to be on 

the

>>> > shelf when we need them.
>>> > So, lets all keep any more hurricanes from happening, o.k.?
>>> > Oliver
>>> > #10694
>>> >







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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 01:13:28 +0000
From: "Jeff Friday" <DeLorean_Type304_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Mechanic Still Available in NC

Hi all,

Winter is approaching and I know alot of cars are gonna be down for the 
season and it's a great time to make repairs.

As some of you may know, I was offered a job with DMC but was unable to 
relocate for financial reasons.  I'm pretty much stuck where I am for now 
but I do have limited garage space I can rent but space for one right now is 
guaranteed.  I can do quite a few jobs on these cars and I specialize in 
diagnosing and fixing vacuum leaks and fuel system troubles.  My rates are 
very inexpensive and I do have some great references floating around.  My 
labor rate is only $40 an hour and there are several jobs I can do while you 
wait if you have the parts on hand.  If you're car is getting a large number 
of services and the time will be spaced out i can provide a flat-rate quote 
to do the work over the course of a few days or weeks.  What I mean by 
"flat-rate" is a set amount to do the work over the course of the time 
alotted instead of a "per hour" rate.

My mobile number is 704 701 2870.  Feel free to give a call anytime.  My 
reception is not so good where I reside so please leave a message if I don't 
answer.  I always return calls ASAP.  Also I am located just 20 minutes 
outside Charlotte NC so I'm very close to the interstate as I am only five 
minutes from the Exit by the Concord Mills Mall and the Lowes Motor 
Speedway.

Jeff in NC






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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:22:03 -0400
From: Delorean Mid-Altantic Club <clubevents_at_dml_deloreanmidatlantic.com>
Subject: RE: Delorean Mid-Atlantic Fall Tour 2005

We now have updated information for meeting times on Saturday's Fall tour:
 
Meeting spots and Stops are as follows:
 
Meeting location #1 will be at 9:30am on the Garden State Parkway at exit
172  Rest stop (Center of Parkway).  WE will be leaving the rest stop at
10:00am SHARP (bring a radio if you plan to meet up with us.  Channel 12)

Meeting Location #2 will be at 11:00am Greenwich, CT (Exit 12 Rest stop on
Rt 95)  We will be departing at 11:15am SHARP
 
Arrive Mystic, CT at 12:45 and meet at "Newport Creamery" for lunch.  After
lunch, we will depart for Newport, RI with the remainder of the group to
start the driving tour and dinner.
 
 


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From: Delorean Mid-Altantic Club [mailto:clubevents_at_dml_deloreanmidatlantic.com]

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:51 PM
To: 'dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com'; DMCForum_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Delorean Mid-Atlantic Fall Tour 2005


The Mid-Atlantic Fall tour is shaping up, and we now have the itinerary
ready with more details
 
Fall Tour VI Itinerary
 
 Sat Oct 1st
 Attendees have their choice of meeting at the Palisades mall  in NY (same
as summer fun run) or at the 1st rest stop in CT on I-95 north around exit
12.
 
 We will stop in Mystic CT and have lunch approximately 12:30 then depart
for Newport RI at 1:30pm we will have the afternoon with Dinner at Flows
Drive Threw Clam Shack!
 
 After Dinner late check in at the hotel in Norwich, CT.  If you feel lucky
continue on to Mohegan Sun casino (free shuttle or drive your DMC about 15
Min).
 
 Sunday Oct 2nd
 Continental breakfast and off to the submarine museum
 Optional stop at Outlet Stores for those heading south on I-95 round exit
66.
 
 Book your room Today!  We lose the $109 Fall Tour rate on Thursday 9/22/05!
This is the lowest rate in the area!  All the hotels fill up fast because of
the proximity to the casino!
 
 If you want to stay at the casino and can get a room the rates start at
$385.00
 

  _____  

From: Delorean Mid-Altantic Club [mailto:clubevents_at_dml_deloreanmidatlantic.com]

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:35 PM
To: 'dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com'; DMCForum_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Delorean Mid-Atlantic Fall Tour 2005
Importance: High


Summer is almost over!   :(    But that always means the DMA club is warming
up for the annual Fall foliage tour!!!!
 
After our most exciting year ever with huge turnouts by our members, we are
hot on the trail of having another great event for you to attend.  Details
are still be ironed out, but what we can tell you is this:
 
The tour will be the weekend of October 1st in Norwich, CT (Near the Native
America Casinos)
 
You can start by booking your room with the Casino for the night of Oct. 1st
Details can be found at:    <http://www.economyinnnorwich.com/>
http://www.economyinnnorwich.com/
 
The hotel is located just minutes from Mohegan Sun Casino, 15 minutes from
Foxwoods Casino, 15 minutes from Pequot Museum, and 20 minutes from Mystic
Seaport.   It offers a tavern, restaurant, fitness club, heated indoor pool,
and shuttle service to/from the casinos (until 1:30am)
 
The rate is 109.99 + tax and is expected to sell out fast.  We have reserved
15 rooms with an option for 5 more if we book the first 15 quickly. 
Note: The casino rate for Sat night at the Mohegan  in October is  $385.00
so this is a good deal all and all
The Group code for booking is "Fall Tour"
 
As an extra bonus, we have expanded our line of DMA logo apparel!  All of
which will be available the weekend of the Fall Tour.  YOU WONT WANT TO MISS
IT!
 
More details to follow soon, but hurry and book your spot now!   
Remember:  Details can always be found on our website
http://www.deloreanmidatlantic.com/updates/updates.htm
<http://www.deloreanmidatlantic.com> 


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 01:38:34 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Steering lock doesn't unlock

Have you tried turing the steering wheel back and forth as you
try the key?

--
Mike


-------------- Original message from "nk1165" <nkemp_at_dml_bwig.net>: -------------- 



>> Went to use the D this morning and the key would not turn the cylinder 
>> to start the car. This has happened before but it usually works after 
>> a few tries. Not this time. Same problem with other set of keys. I 
>> did not have any time to look further into the problem. 
>> 
>> Any suggestions? 
>> 
>> Nick 
>> 
>> 


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:33:50 -0500
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Steering lock doesn't unlock

Nick, Did you try any graphite spray on the locks.
John Hervey


-----Original Message-----
From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com [mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
nk1165
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:48 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Steering lock doesn't unlock

Went to use the D this morning and the key would not turn the cylinder 
to start the car.  This has happened before but it usually works after 
a few tries.  Not this time.  Same problem with other set of keys.  I 
did not have any time to look further into the problem.

Any suggestions?

Nick






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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 02:50:55 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_optonline.net>
Subject: Delorean Midatlantic Fall Tour 2005

For those of you planning to attend this year's Fall Tour I am
caravanning up with owners from the south and west. One of the stops
will be the last rest stop on the Garden State Parkway which is on the
median at MM 172. I will be there _at_dml_ 9:30 and will leave promptly
_at_dml_10:00 AM. We will have family band radios on channel 12. We will then
pass the Palisades Mall. We will not be stopping there but will try to
pick up anyone as we head past (or they can catch up at the toll
booths on the TZ Bridge). The next stop will be the rest area on 95 in
Connetticut around exit 12 at around 11:00 AM. Finally we will get
into Mystic, for lunch at about 12:30. I will be going rain or shine
but if it is really bad I will not be bringing my Delorean so let's
all hope for a clear weekend. If you plan on meeting up at the GSP let
me know so I can get an idea how many others will be meeting up there.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757






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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:50:26 EDT
From: Packodenton_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Variations of the original big Sales Brochure?

 
 
In a message dated 09/26/2005 8:56:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
PRC1216_at_dml_aol.com writes:

Thanks to a very generous new owner who gave me a perfect  sales  
brochure after my other one got soaked when my DeLorean filled  up  
with water in a past rainstorm, I noticed a difference on the  first  
page.  One my water damaged brochure, the first page  simply says  
"Presenting the DeLorean", and on my new brochure that I  got today,  
it also says "Presenting the DeLorean" yet at the bottom  of the page  
it says "De Lorean Motor Cars Limited, Dunmurry  Industrial Estate,  
Dunmurry, Co.  Antrim, N. Ireland, BT17  9JJ".

I never knew there were variations to the brochure.  Has  anyone else  
ever noticed this?

-Patrick  C.
1880


The brochure with the factory address is the "European Brochure" for  the 
Middle east (Lebanon & Saudi Arabia) South Africa, South  America and at the time 
Western Europe.
 
I found a DeLorean in Beruit that was painted black in front of the  Ritz 
Carlton hotel. There was a dash mat covering the VIN, however looking at  the 
wheels and interior, hood etc it was an early 81. The concierge said the  owner 
of the car was from Los Angeles.
 
There was a DeLorean Motor Cars sign at the factory welcome/office that was  
in English, French and Arabic. I think it now belongs to Rob Lamrock.
 
Sincerely Yours,
Mike Pack
 
 
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:22:58 -0500
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Wiring in some extra juice

Greg, Yes,8 ga is a little bit of an over kill when 10 gauge wires are on
the car now handling 30 amps. 
John Hervey



-----Original Message-----
From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com [mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Greg Zapf
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 1:24 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Wiring in some extra juice

I'm adding some electronics to my rear wall, beneath my window
(powered subs, etc... about 90 Watts...  probably less than 10 Amps). 
I was planning to run some 8 AWG wire (should be overkill / future
proof) from my battery's top post to this area, but I just found out
the entire battery area is enclosed in plastic and fiberglass... 
pretty well sealed.  I also noticed a huge cluster of brown wires
(constant 12V, I suspect) in the passenger side alcove behind that
wall.

What have other owners done to add some juice for any back wall
electronics?  Drill through the battery compartment, attach to the
brown wire cluster, or other?  I'd appreciate any recommendations.

Thanks,
--Greg
#2894




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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:33:11 -0700
From: Ryan Wright <ryanpwright_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wiring in some extra juice

Greg,


>> proof) from my battery's top post to this area, but I just found out
>> the entire battery area is enclosed in plastic and fiberglass...
>> pretty well sealed.


Unless there are differences in vehicles, your eyes are playing tricks
on you. There is a link between the top of the battery compartment
(inside) and the fuse/relay area above it. Open both locations, shine
a bright flashlight into one of them and you should see light coming
through the other.

It's a pretty big area, I could get my fingers through it, but then I
have small hands. There's a mess of wires in the fuse box area that
hide it pretty well.

-Ryan


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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 01:02:07 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Variations of the original big Sales Brochure?

 
In a message dated 9/26/2005 8:56:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
PRC1216_at_dml_aol.com writes:

One my  water damaged brochure, the first page simply says  
"Presenting the  DeLorean", and on my new brochure that I got today,  
it also says  "Presenting the DeLorean" yet at the bottom of the page  
it says "De  Lorean Motor Cars Limited, Dunmurry Industrial Estate,  
Dunmurry,  Co.  Antrim, N. Ireland, BT17 9JJ".

I never knew there were  variations to the brochure.  Has anyone else  
ever noticed  this?




Yes. I think James at DMC Texas could elaborate on this, too. As I recall,  
there was a similar brochure made up for the European market, car shows, etc. I 
 believe it also has something like 2 less pages, i.e., 4 less panels. Check 
it  out. The color and sharpness wasn't as good either. There are a lot fewer 
Euro  versions floating around I'd guess! Sorry I can't be a bit more 
definitive  but I've got so much of this stuff, it'd take an hour to dig it out. But 
you're  definitely correct. Have you seen the long brochure with the vinyl 
"wallet" with  die-cut DMC lettering?  That's pretty cool.  Another Euro item, 
also  listing the Antrim address.  They rarely come up on ebay.
Wayne A. Ernst
vin 11174


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:27:39 -0500
From: Qumefox <qumefox_at_dml_brazi.net>
Subject: Re: Car spotted at shop in Bowling Green, KY

Charlesdos Mavor wrote:


>>I was at a tire store today and I thought I heard someone say
>>delorean, but blew it off. Then I see a guy packing DMC wheels in the
>>shop. Seems the car is getting worked on at a local shop, anybody
>>here? If so, I would like to get together to tech talk or what ever. I
>>have a 10 car shop, lift, A/C and a good D myself. My car would love
>>to meet more Ds. From looking on the directory we have many owners in
>>KY and TN, enough for a tech session???
>>Regards from the home of the corvette,
>>Charles Major
>>16835
>>
>>

Well i'm in west TN but my D is currenly mostly a pile of parts
scattered over 2 shops and my house... But i'm hoping to get it back
together by the beginning of the year.

--

Chris
VIN# 03209
http://badger.brazi.net/delorean



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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:34:21 -0000
From: "Joe OBrien" <joeyoseppijoe_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Steering rack boot installation

Thanks for all the answers,

Since I've still got the original tie rods on the car I might just 
replace them as well along with the boots. Then just get it aligned. 
Then it'll be done. For now  :-) 

Another "while I'm in there" job I guess.


Joe O'Brien










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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:50:49 -0500
From: "Duke" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: LONG! Electrical experts: Fan relay wiring help

Chris,

DOE!! Yup! I understand what your sayin now.  I pulled out the new fan fix 
and looked at it and when I did, your email made complete sense.  All I need 
is a ground.  Thanks  A LOT to Chris, Rob, and all the others for all your 
help, I REALLY appreciate it.  I've pretty much got the relay compartment 
cleaned up and now having the cooling circuit tackled, will make everything 
(other than the door lock circuit) perfect.

Thanks again everyone!

Duke

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Almy" <chris.almy_at_dml_comcast.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] LONG! Electrical experts: Fan relay wiring help



>> Duke,
>> You are getting a little bit too worked up over the circuit breaker.
>>
>> If you wish to reuse the blue socket, you are pretty much finished with
>> that. As long as it has the two black/green wires, that's all you need. 
>> The
>> brown wire that would go to the breaker is not used with this fan
>> controller. Now all you need to worry about are the two wires on the other
>> controller connector. The green one on the module is ground, so that's 
>> easy
>> enough. The red is the trigger wire. 






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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:25:17 -0000
From: "Robert J. Wilson" <rjwilson62_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Cooling System Refilling

Last week I re-charged the AC on my DeLorean and took it out for a 
drive.  AC had not been operating for several months.  At a stop, I 
let it idle for about two minutes and noticed that the temperature 
gauge was just above the normal position.  It stayed there as I 
drove another mile and then steam came from the engine compartment, 
fogging the rear window.  I pulled over and shut it off right away.  
The original plastic coolant overflow tank had ruptured down the 
bottom seam and coolant was all over. (The car has 11,000 miles on 
it.)

Anyhow, I got it towed home and have ordered, received, and 
installed a new stainless steel overflow tank.  I also have a 
complete new hose kit but have only partially installed it. (Looks 
like a real job - some are barely reachable!) I plan to test the car 
with only a partial install of the new hoses since I now have 
concerns that the fans are not working properly and I want to check 
that out.

I know from reading this web site that there is a special re-filling 
procedure but could not find it last night in the shop manual.  Is 
it in the shop manual and I'm not finding it?  If so, just tell me 
where.  If it is not in the manual where can I find it?

I'm reading all of the recent posts about "Fanzilla" and 
alternatives.  Any advice here?  I have been told that hearing the 
fans sequence on can easily be heard from the driver's seat, 
specially with the window down.  I don't think I have ever heard 
this.  The fans may never have came on!  (I have the two fuses in 
the blue relay socket in the area behind the passenger seat.)

Anyhow, that is where I am.  Thanks is advance for any help!

Regards,

Bob W.








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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:50:58 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Cat removal

Sorry - I wrote that very late last night. This car does not have cats - 
I meant to write "exhaust"

Martin

Martin Gutkowski wrote:


>>The engine is definitely something else. I'm not sure if it's a 2849 or 
>>2664 but it has the auxiliary air valve instead of the idlespeed motor 
>>(but the ECU and wiring's all there). No lambda system and custom 3-way 
>>manifolds with twin link pipes to the cats, very like the stainless 
>>system only a bit tighter at the manifolds. I suspect it's an early B28E 
>>(late ones had the same idlespeed system as us) or a Z6W Renault 30 
>>engine. It certainly goes well.
>>







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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:12:04 -0000
From: "delorean6859" <tmadsop_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: "D" may stand for Divorce....the ongoing 6859 saga

I haven't posted in a little while on #6859, mostly because I have 
been traveling so much I haven't had a whole lot of time to work on 
her.  When I do, it is usually at 3AM.  The neighbors think I operate 
a Myth lab in the garage and my wife is losing her patience.  Don't 
laugh.....I may be sleeping on YOUR couch.

Let me first start by thanking Mike Pack for coming out to my house a 
few weeks ago and giving the car a once over with his dad while I was 
1000 miles away for work!

Here's a synopsis of the problems and what I have found.  The good 
thing is I think I've identified all of the problems and their root 
cause. (Remember, this car is "Excellent...needs nothing....according 
to the seller on ebay):

The car sounding like it was trailing "just married" cans behind it 
during deceleration.  A check of the engine compartment showed the 
idle mixture screw anti-tamper cover had been removed and replaced 
with a plastic plug.  In law enforcement we call that "a clue".  
Well, that puppy was WAY rich.  I dialed it back and have since fixed 
that.

The racing idle, I suspect is being caused by the o2 sensor being 
fouled by the constant rich mixture.  I will be replacing that 
shortly.  I don't think it is a vacuum leak since I also replaced all 
of the vacuum lines anyway.

The rubbing of the rear tires = I think a result of running tire 
pressure WAY low.

The noise from the right rear during hard cornering = a result of the 
car being lowered with Eabach springs.  The clamp for the CV boot is 
hitting a metal shield underneath the car during hard corners.  I am 
in the process of grinding the shield back a little bit to provide 
some clearance.  I will eventually be replacing (upgrading) the 
shocks and the upper and lower coil links since the bushings look 
pretty rough.

The front tire rubbing is a combination of low tire pressure and the 
lower speedo cable not being secured.

I went through the relays just to look at their condition and found a 
curious thing, two relays zip tied together.  Like an idiot, I cut 
the zip tie and pulled the relays to look at them.  One of the relays 
was the lambda the other one was........I don't remember.  Bottom 
line is after doing this, the car wouldn't start.  A little reminder, 
I bought this car from a guy who was a mechanic and he claimed he was 
using the money for him to open a shop.  I now think I supported his 
drug habbit for a few weeks, because instead of replacing a relay, he 
found the exact position where the relay would work and zip tied it 
there!!! New relays are in the mail.

I also replaced the headliner to remove the large grease spot from 
the previous owner. (Man, I hope he reads these posts)

The BAD thing is the transmission.  Simple problem + cheap part = 
major repair bill.  The second gear fork pin is broken resulting in 
an intermittant problem with shifting into second gear.  Looks like 
the transmission is going to need to be dropped and cracked open to 
repair.  I'm not sure I have the stones to try that one....so I may 
have to bite the bullet.  That will probably be one of the last 
things fixed, unless someone in the DC/Maryland area is comfortable 
enough to walk me through it some day. (I'll buy unlimited beer and 
whatever, I mean WHATEVER you want to eat for the day if you help me 
with that one)Coincidently, I found a receipt for that very part in 
the car dated just a few days prior to my picking it up from the 
seller, leading me to believe he knew about the problem, attempted to 
repair it, but decided against it.  I'm actually glad he didn't fix 
it, he probably would have had left over parts anyway.

I've gotten to the point where I don't even want to look at Stainless 
Steel appliances right now.  Let my experience be a lesson to anyone 
looking at a Delorean.....LOOK AT EVERYTHING! If something seems out 
of place, LOOK CLOSER!  And under no circumstances should you have 
your wife drop you off at a rest area 300 miles from home to pick up 
a car you haven't seen yet based on the assurance of the previous 
owner that the car needs nothing!!!!!!







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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:20:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rod Dillman <rhdillman_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: LED Center Console Burnout

I have had LEDs in my center console for about two years. I am having to replace them one or two bulbs at a time due to burnout. It is always the four top bulbs, never the three on the bottom. I used red bulbs on the bottom for the fan fail, door lock and rear window defrost. I used super white in the other four slots.  Has any one else had a problem with LED burnout?  I changed out my doors to LEDs at the same time and have had no problems there.  Thanks Rod 10921
 

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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:44:59 -0400
From: "Michael C. Babb" <mcbabb_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: "Mock" DeLorean needed

Interesting message I got this morning - Don't even know if anyone has 
anything like this:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am in need of a mock DeLorean for a corporate event in March. I  
have to bring in two CEO's onto a stage, they exit the vehicle. A  
real DeLorean WILL NOT WORK. DO you have a fake one or one   similar  
to the Back to the Future car?  It must be realistic. It can be one- 
sided moving from Stage Left across  to Stage right. It can be  
propeled by manpower with rope or by battery operation (As in golf  
cart). Thank you in advance for your prompt response.

Tandy

T.J. Ecenia, President

TANDOVA, INC.
6010 N. Armenia Ave.
Tampa, Fla.33604-5704
Ph:  813-877-6204
Fax: 813-877-3150
Tandova_at_dml_SetsandProps.com
www.SetsandProps.com










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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 05:47:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: More good press for DeLorean's and their owners

DeLorean, couple heading to Ireland, with all expenses paid
Club picking up tab for trip

CRESAPTOWN- It's one of only three that are 24-carat gold plated, it
has the last serial number of those that were made and the odometer reads just
644 miles. No wonder the DeLorean International Club wants Carl Winters'
1983 model even if it has a small knife scratch in the gold that's never
been repaired.

Club members, though, didn't have an easy sell when they called him from
England about two months ago and asked him to bring the car to Dublin, Ireland,
next May to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the DeLorean.

For more of this story, click on or type the URL below:

http://www.times-news.com/articles/2005/09/26/sections/top_stories/top01.txt

or

http://tinyurl.com/d6bpv




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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:44:05 -0500
From: Gus Schlachter <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Cooling fans

I have a fairly stupid question.  Feel free to mock me if I am way off 
base, but...

Don't the cooling fans sit behind the radiator, and blow air forward? This 
seems all fine and good while sitting still, but when the car is in motion 
the airflow is entering the radiator from the front.  Doesn't this mean 
that using the cooling fans at highway speeds is actually 
counter-productive?!??

On "old-fashioned" cars, this made more sense, since it would be silly to 
push the air through the radiator and into the engine compartment.  But on 
the DMC, there is no engine behind the radiator.  Besides, we have 
electric fans and not belt-driven fans, so they can be deactivated at 
will.

I think it really gets nutty when the A/C condenser and engine radiator 
are strapped together, so that no matter which way the wind blows, one is 
always heating the other!


Gus Schlachter
VIN #4695
Austin, Texas




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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:39:47 -0400
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
Subject: Re: "D" may stand for Divorce....the ongoing 6859 saga

I'm in the NY/NJ Area but I have a sister that lives in 
MD... I redid my 2nd gear shift fork roll pin recently... 
I'd help you do it if you need. 

Michael Paine
vin 6067

On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:12:04 -0000
  "delorean6859" <tmadsop_at_dml_comcast.net> wrote:

>>I haven't posted in a little while on #6859, mostly 
>>because I have 
>>been traveling so much I haven't had a whole lot of time 
>>to work on 
>>her.  When I do, it is usually at 3AM.  The neighbors 
>>think I operate 
>>a Myth lab in the garage and my wife is losing her 
>>patience.  Don't 
>>laugh.....I may be sleeping on YOUR couch.
>>
>>Let me first start by thanking Mike Pack for coming out 
>>to my house a 
>>few weeks ago and giving the car a once over with his dad 
>>while I was 
>>1000 miles away for work!
>>
>>Here's a synopsis of the problems and what I have found. 
>> The good 
>>thing is I think I've identified all of the problems and 
>>their root 
>>cause. (Remember, this car is "Excellent...needs 
>>nothing....according 
>>to the seller on ebay):
>>
>>The car sounding like it was trailing "just married" cans 
>>behind it 
>>during deceleration.  A check of the engine compartment 
>>showed the 
>>idle mixture screw anti-tamper cover had been removed and 
>>replaced 
>>with a plastic plug.  In law enforcement we call that "a 
>>clue".  
>>Well, that puppy was WAY rich.  I dialed it back and have 
>>since fixed 
>>that.
>>
>>The racing idle, I suspect is being caused by the o2 
>>sensor being 
>>fouled by the constant rich mixture.  I will be replacing 
>>that 
>>shortly.  I don't think it is a vacuum leak since I also 
>>replaced all 
>>of the vacuum lines anyway.
>>
>>The rubbing of the rear tires = I think a result of 
>>running tire 
>>pressure WAY low.
>>
>>The noise from the right rear during hard cornering = a 
>>result of the 
>>car being lowered with Eabach springs.  The clamp for the 
>>CV boot is 
>>hitting a metal shield underneath the car during hard 
>>corners.  I am 
>>in the process of grinding the shield back a little bit 
>>to provide 
>>some clearance.  I will eventually be replacing 
>>(upgrading) the 
>>shocks and the upper and lower coil links since the 
>>bushings look 
>>pretty rough.
>>
>>The front tire rubbing is a combination of low tire 
>>pressure and the 
>>lower speedo cable not being secured.
>>
>>I went through the relays just to look at their condition 
>>and found a 
>>curious thing, two relays zip tied together.  Like an 
>>idiot, I cut 
>>the zip tie and pulled the relays to look at them.  One 
>>of the relays 
>>was the lambda the other one was........I don't remember. 
>> Bottom 
>>line is after doing this, the car wouldn't start.  A 
>>little reminder, 
>>I bought this car from a guy who was a mechanic and he 
>>claimed he was 
>>using the money for him to open a shop.  I now think I 
>>supported his 
>>drug habbit for a few weeks, because instead of replacing 
>>a relay, he 
>>found the exact position where the relay would work and 
>>zip tied it 
>>there!!! New relays are in the mail.
>>
>>I also replaced the headliner to remove the large grease 
>>spot from 
>>the previous owner. (Man, I hope he reads these posts)
>>
>>The BAD thing is the transmission.  Simple problem + 
>>cheap part = 
>>major repair bill.  The second gear fork pin is broken 
>>resulting in 
>>an intermittant problem with shifting into second gear. 
>> Looks like 
>>the transmission is going to need to be dropped and 
>>cracked open to 
>>repair.  I'm not sure I have the stones to try that 
>>one....so I may 
>>have to bite the bullet.  That will probably be one of 
>>the last 
>>things fixed, unless someone in the DC/Maryland area is 
>>comfortable 
>>enough to walk me through it some day. (I'll buy 
>>unlimited beer and 
>>whatever, I mean WHATEVER you want to eat for the day if 
>>you help me 
>>with that one)Coincidently, I found a receipt for that 
>>very part in 
>>the car dated just a few days prior to my picking it up 

>from the 

>>seller, leading me to believe he knew about the problem, 
>>attempted to 
>>repair it, but decided against it.  I'm actually glad he 
>>didn't fix 
>>it, he probably would have had left over parts anyway.
>>
>>I've gotten to the point where I don't even want to look 
>>at Stainless 
>>Steel appliances right now.  Let my experience be a 
>>lesson to anyone 
>>looking at a Delorean.....LOOK AT EVERYTHING! If 
>>something seems out 
>>of place, LOOK CLOSER!  And under no circumstances should 
>>you have 
>>your wife drop you off at a rest area 300 miles from home 
>>to pick up 
>>a car you haven't seen yet based on the assurance of the 
>>previous 
>>owner that the car needs nothing!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>To address comments privately to the moderating team, 
>>please address:
>>moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>>
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>>see www.dmcnews.com
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:01:41 -0000
From: "mydmc5898" <mydmc5898_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Parts for sale

Pressure plate 102753
Clutch disk 102512
Flex plate 102065
housing shifter automatic 105427 
mounting braket CVR 110107
cover shifter lower 101918
Lever automatic shifter 110095
Cover shifter upper 110103
Pedal box automatic 101657

The mounting braket CVR 110107, Pressure plate 102753, Clutch disk 
102512, and the Flex plate 102065 condtion isn't well known. So I 
don't have a high price if at all for any of them, just want to 
clear them out. If interested please email or call me, 
thanks for looking,
Darryl
VIN 5898

cell# 570-328-1363
home# 570-331-8456
Email Mydmc5898(AT)yahoo.com
Email#2 DeLorean170(AT)aol.com







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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:10:47 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Cooling fans

You are  :-) 

The fans pull air thru the radiator toward the gas tank. 

Turn on the ignition and turn on the A/C. You should be able to reach 
under the front of the car and feel the air moving in that direction 
(don't stick your fingers in the fan!). If y our fans are blowing air 
out the front, the wiring os backwards (possible on an aftermarket fan, 
but the originals are keyed).

Dave

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Gus Schlachter <gus_at_dml_a...> wrote:

>> I have a fairly stupid question.  Feel free to mock me if I am way 

off 

>> base, but...
>> 
>> Don't the cooling fans sit behind the radiator, and blow air forward? 







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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:20:53 -0400
From: Michael Babb <mcbabb_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: More good press for DeLorean's and their owners

Those links didn't work for me but these did:

http://www.times-news.com/articles/2005/09/26/sections/regional_news/general/news90.txt

http://tinyurl.com/a7tmz

Michael


James Espey wrote:


>>DeLorean, couple heading to Ireland, with all expenses paid
>>Club picking up tab for trip
>>  
>>







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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:22:44 -0400
From: Todd Nelson <tan5732_at_dml_rit.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: Cooling fans

Gus,
The fans suck the air back towards the gas tank.  That is why there is that 
whole problem of hot air blowing on the gas tank and causing fuel delivery 
issues.  If your fans blow air forward then the polarity might be reversed 
to the fans, or you have aftermarket fans of the incorrect type.  Also, the 
fans really only have to run while the car is stopped for a period of time. 
The wind that blows through the radiator should be enough to cool it so long 
as you're traveling over ~25 MPH.

Todd Nelson
1561, Vermont


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Cooling fans



>>I have a fairly stupid question.  Feel free to mock me if I am way off
>> base, but...
>>
>> Don't the cooling fans sit behind the radiator, and blow air forward? This
>> seems all fine and good while sitting still, but when the car is in motion
>> the airflow is entering the radiator from the front.  Doesn't this mean
>> that using the cooling fans at highway speeds is actually
>> counter-productive?!??
>>
>> On "old-fashioned" cars, this made more sense, since it would be silly to
>> push the air through the radiator and into the engine compartment.  But on
>> the DMC, there is no engine behind the radiator.  Besides, we have
>> electric fans and not belt-driven fans, so they can be deactivated at
>> will.
>>
>> I think it really gets nutty when the A/C condenser and engine radiator
>> are strapped together, so that no matter which way the wind blows, one is
>> always heating the other!
>>
>>
>> Gus Schlachter
>> VIN #4695
>> Austin, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
>> moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>>
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