Subject:[DML] Digest Number 2977
Date:11 Nov 2005 01:29:05 -0000

There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Safety, Proper Methods, and Procedures
From: "David Teitelbaum" <>

2. Re: Possible Alternator trouble and more
From: "Qume Fox" <>

3. Re: Re: General lack of engine power. what's going on?
From: Joe Angell <>

4. Re: Stainless Wipes
From: Wayne Wagner <>

5. Re: Wierd Noise from everywhere.
From: Jonathan Minor <>

6. RE: DMA Holiday Party 2005 - Philadelphia PA
From: Delorean Mid-Altantic Club <>

7. Re: Wierd Noise from everywhere.
From: "Dave Swingle" <>

8. Reinstalling lower louvers.
From: "jrc2905" <>

9. Looking to purchase a Delorean
From: "valleyrat12" <>

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:39:17 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <>
Subject: Safety, Proper Methods, and Procedures

I will always offer the "correct" way to work on cars. I may mention
shortcuts but if is possibly unsafe or "not the best way" I will
usually add a disclaimer. Of course anyone working on their car can do
whatever they want but it is usually better to be "safe than sorry".
Hitting the steering column with a hammer is NOT recommended. This
doesn't mean you WILL damage it, it just menas the likelyhood is very
high that it will not work as intended in case of a crash. In your
Workshop Manual just before the Table of Contents there is a paragraph
of General Safety Hints. They are not complete but the idea is that
you should work safely. Even if you don't think of yourself, think of
your family, and maybe the next owner. Sometimes the damage you can
cause is not immediately evident. It may take a crash to find out you
had compromised the ability of the steering column to collapse
properly. Using a hammer on the steering wheel is generally accepted
to be a "bad" thing. Imagine if you did that with an air bag! Maybe it
could go off and break your neck! Why do it that way when it is simple
enough to use a puller? Some other "No-No's" include heating and/or
bending suspension parts, messing with the torsion bars without the
proper tools, working on the electrical system without disconnecting
the battery (depends on what you are actually doing) working on the
fuel system without taking proper safety precautions, using the wrong
tool or a broken/damaged tool, etc. Consider this a hobby, why would
anyone want to get seriously injured Or maybe killed by their hobby?
Anyone on the DML should be informed enough so they can work safely
and if they don't it is becasue they choose not to. Just be aware that
people sometimes offer techniques that are not always the safest way
to do things. One notorious one that comes to mind was the one that
you could remove the doors WITHOUT REMOVING THE TORSION BARS!!!!
Novices should not attempt shortcuts, they do not always realize all
of the implications and dangers.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:40:55 -0000
From: "Qume Fox" <>
Subject: Re: Possible Alternator trouble and more

--- In, Jonathan Minor 
<malletslinger_at_dml_y...> wrote:

>> The problems Dave described sound very similar to the
>> problems I was having with my camaro a couple weeks
>> ago.  The problem turned out to be my mass air flow
>> sensor and fact, the MAF sensor actually
>> started having problems right after I replaced the
>> alternator...coincidence?, maybe  ;) 
>> Would I be wrong to assume that Deloreans have an ECM
>> to control the fuel inj. system?
>> If it does, can anyone tell me what sensors are
>> included in the system? Does anyone know where I can
>> find out?
>> Just trying to satisfy my curiosity...Thanks
>> Jon Minor(no vin)

It's nothing even remotely similar. The fuel injection on the delorean is 
mechanical. Our cars don't have EFI like your camero (well at least not 
stock ones.) The only two 'sensors' if you will, on the delorean are the 
flap plate that swings and moves a plunger in the fuel distributer that 
meters the fuel. Basicly air flowing into the engine causes the plate to 
get pushed down, which tells the fuel distributer how much air the 
engine is pulling in, and meters the fuel to the injectors accordingly. The 
only other thing there is is the oxygen sensor, which controls the lambda 
circuit.. The lambda controller is the closest thing to an ECU you'll find in 
the delorean, but the lambda is mainly there for emissions control. the 
system doesn't have the ability to change the mixture to a great extent. 

VIN# 03209


Message: 3
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:24:15 -0500
From: Joe Angell <>
Subject: Re: Re: General lack of engine power. what's going on?

I had a similar issue after I got my DeLorean.  I just thought  
DeLoreans had really pathetic performance (I knew they weren't  
exactly the fastest things out there); in reality, the transmission  
had been rebuilt by someone who didn't know DeLoreans, and the torque  
converter from a different car had bee put in.  The net result was  
that although the car shifted gears properly, it acted like it was  
always in 3rd.  This made going up a hill from a stop or any kind of  
acceleration in traffic difficult at best.

Finally, the strain became too much, the transmission destroyed  
itself, and I had to get a new one at DeLorean Motor Center.  The car  
runs a lot better now, although most any other car on the road can  
out-accelerate it.  :) 

Admittedly, this was a pretty unique case.

-- Joe

>> Have you driven another DeLorean?  Maybe you have unrealistic
>> expectations about the acceleration. Mine is similar to my '72 Super
>> Beetle, my 1980 MGB, etc.  Then all of a sudden, I'm doing 88 MPH.
>> Marv
>> #10820


Message: 4
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:44:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Wayne Wagner <>
Subject: Re: Stainless Wipes

I haven't tried that brand yet, but I have used Magic
Stainless Steel Wipes (or is it Stainless Steel Magic
Wipes?).  Picked it up at Wal~Mart.  I would usually
hand buff with a dry towel afterwards.  Turns out

Wayne / VIN2447

--- Jason <> wrote:

>>     Hello all. I was just wondering if anyone has
>> tried Claire Stainless Wipes
>> before. 


Message: 5
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:02:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Minor <>
Subject: Re: Wierd Noise from everywhere.

Maybe wheel bearings, tires unbalenced, or wheel
alignment...just a couple possibilities.
Hope this helps
Jon (no vin)

--- denverdelorean <> wrote:

>> I am getting a wierd noise that I can only hear when
>> the car is moving 
>> and usually only at high speed. It seems to
>> corellate with how fast 
>> the tires are rolling, not engine rpm's.  It is a
>> kind of mid-
>> frequency hum.  do I have a CV joint going? needing
>> lubrication?


Message: 6
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:37:00 -0500
From: Delorean Mid-Altantic Club <>
Subject: RE: DMA Holiday Party 2005 - Philadelphia PA

Reminder!  Don't forget to sign up for the DMA Holiday Party!!!!


From: Delorean Mid-Altantic Club []

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: DMA Holiday Party 2005 - Philadelphia PA

The DMA Winter Holiday Party for club members is on Dec. 10th at Dave &
Buster’s Grand Sports Café in the Franklin Mills Mall in Philadelphia, PA.
The mall is just off Rt.95 on Woodhaven Road. If you take the Woodhaven Road
exit, it will take you directly to Franklin Mills Circle where the mall is
located. The mall is HUGE so just drive around it until you see the
McDonald’s and then enter the mall parking lot. Dave & Buster’s will be
visible from there. Party will be in a private room and it starts at 5pm and
dinner starts at 6pm. There will be a main course buffet called “The Italian
Feast”. It will consist of Italian rosemary roasted chicken, House or Caesar
salad, Linguini Alfredo and cavatappi pasta with marinara, four cheese pizza
bites with basil pesto, Garden vegetable medley, and fresh baked rolls with
butter. Desert will also be served. There will be a choice of Chocolate nut
brownies, freshly baked cookies, strawberries, or a warm fruit cobbler with
fresh whipped cream. Soda, coffee, tea, lemonade, etc., are unlimited.
Drinks containing alcohol are not covered by the club. The price for this
event is $30 per person. If you have any questions, you can e-mail me at
<> , or you can call D & B’s
at 215.632.5770.

Dave & Buster’s has a ton of things to do. There are several bars to plop
yourself down and drink and watch TV. There are a bunch of pool tables, a
huge amount of video games, and there’s even a bowling alley! Some members
would like to have a bowling competition, so if you bowl, don’t be afraid…
bring your balls!  :-) 

If you’re coming from far away and would like to spend the night, call the
Hampton Inn at 800-HAMPTON or 215-245-5222 and ask for reservations. Say
you’re a member of the DeLorean Mid-Atlantic Club and you’ll receive a room
at the special rate of $89/night! You MUST register by Nov.25th to get this
rate. The room price is $109/night after Nov.25th. So register now! There
are only 15 rooms reserved!

For all of you holiday shoppers, you might want to get to the mall a few
hours early. Franklin Mills mall consists of all outlet stores so you’ll get
nice stuff at great prices! Be ready to walk though… the mall is one level
and is about a mile long. I told you it was huge!  :-) 

 See you then!!!

DMA Activities Director

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:22:11 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <>
Subject: Re: Wierd Noise from everywhere.

Many high-performance (especially "gatorback" tread) tires get very 
noisy as they age. This is what I'd suspect first. (Many years ago 
when these tire designs started showing up, on another car, I 
actually had a dealer change out a differential under warranty trying 
to find the noise - when I changed the tires it went away.)

Usually bad wheel bearings show up on turns one way or the other, in 
a straight line I'd suspect tires. 

CV joints get sloppy, i.e. the clunk as you get on and off the gas. 
They don't get noisy. 

Dave Swingle

--- In, "denverdelorean" 
<denverdelorean_at_dml_y...> wrote:

>> I am getting a wierd noise that I can only hear when the car is 


>> and usually only at high speed. It seems to corellate with how fast 
>> the tires are rolling, not engine rpm's.  It is a kind of mid-
>> frequency hum.  do I have a CV joint going? needing lubrication?
>> Matt
>> 16076


Message: 8
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:47:32 -0000
From: "jrc2905" <>
Subject: Reinstalling lower louvers.

Reinstalling lower louvers.

I did some repair work to my rear louver. Now I need to reinstall the 
two small louver sections. They were held in by some sort of foam 
material. What is used for hold these two sections in place?


Message: 9
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:08:14 -0000
From: "valleyrat12" <>
Subject: Looking to purchase a Delorean

(Moderators Note: Please respond directly to Nathan if you can assist him. We will not turn this into any sort of ongoing thread. Marty, this weeks moderator)

Hello everyone,

I am currently in the market for a drivable Delorean, does not need to 
be perfect. Just no rust, severe body damage, or shot engine/tranny. I 
would prefer one that has not been sitting for millions of years. 
Painted OK. High mileage OK (if maintained properly. Looking to pay 
under $7,000. I am in Los Angeles. 



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