Subject:[DML] Digest Number 2985
From:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Date:16 Nov 2005 19:48:13 -0000
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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Can we ALL come to a correct definition of these DeLorean terms?
From: DMCPROTO1_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: 911, engine running on 3 cylinders MORE INFO
From: "odell_andy" <odell_andy_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>

3. Re: 911, engine running on 3 cylinders MORE INFO
From: "odell_andy" <odell_andy_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>

4. Re: New DMCH Performance Exhaust Inquiring feedback?
From: "conundrum1984" <jeepno1_397_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. Re: "Exotic" show in Aiken, SC (11-12-05)
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

6. Re: Brake Master Cylinder
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: A/C pressure
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

8. Re: Start-up RPM's
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

9. Re: Re: New DMCH Performance Exhaust Inquiring feedback?
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

10. Re: 911, engine running on 3 cylinders MORE INFO
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

11. www.deloreancarshow.com update
From: "byrondelorean" <celiambyron_at_dml_msn.com>

12. Re: Re: New DMCH Performance Exhaust Inquiring feedback?
From: Jason McKee <tymchsr_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. Minor Annoyance: Throttle lag prob.
From: "alex morgan" <mauibarber_at_dml_hotmail.com>

14. Re: 911, engine running on 3 cylinders MORE INFO
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_optonline.net>

15. Re: Re: New DMCH Performance Exhaust Inquiring feedback?
From: kjc <ckevinj_at_dml_gmail.com>

16. Tech/Work Day in Houston November 26th
From: "birdwell77095" <birdwells_at_dml_usa.net>

17. Re: Can we ALL come to a correct definition of these DeLorean terms?
From: "cbl1739" <cbl302_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>

18. Re: 911, engine running on 3 cylinders MORE INFO
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

19. Emissions
From: "vin4258" <vin4258_at_dml_delorean.com>

20. Re: Can we ALL come to a correct definition of these DeLorean terms?
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

21. Re: Can we ALL come to a correct definition of these DeLorean terms?
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

22. Re: Emissions
From: "M. P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>

23. Re: 911, engine running on 3 cylinders MORE INFO
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

24. Re: Can we ALL come to a correct definition of these DeLorean terms?
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

25. The AZ-D goes to Las Vegas-for real this time
From: "M. P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:53:04 EST
From: DMCPROTO1_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Can we ALL come to a correct definition of these DeLorean terms?

If you would like to debate my 
car (Proto #1) feel free to call me toll free _at_dml_ 877-DELOREAN. Maybe My car is 
Proto #7 and John's first go-cart when he was 10 years old was the first 
DeLorean Prototype?

Tony Ierardi




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:30:41 -0000
From: "odell_andy" <odell_andy_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 911, engine running on 3 cylinders MORE INFO

thanks for your help mike. 
i imported the car to the uk, and just got it road legal. i had the
whole fuel system replaced, which made the car run, and today i tried
to repair the last problem, the tachometer (so i thought.) i tried to
use a dwell meter & timing light to read the rpm, i dont know much
about it, but i thought if the meter could read the rpm, the gauge
would be faulty, and if the meter couldnt, it would be the sender. but
the inductive pickup couldnt get a signal. checking the plugs
(earthing on the block) revealed cylinders 1,2 & 3 have no spark. 4 5
& 6 have MASSIVE sparks. 
i had read on the forum that people had thought the car was slow when
they first drove it, so i thought nothing was wrong! 

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, mike.griese_at_dml_w... wrote:

>>
>> Andy - That peg is called the rotor...
>> 
>> You may also have a fuel injector problem on those cylinders.  If you 
>> have a timing light, put it on one of the bad cylinders and see if it
>> fires.  If you don't have a light, remove one of the spark plugs

from the 

>> bad cylinders.  Attach it to the spark plug wire and hold the side

of the 

>> plug against the block with a pair of pliers gripping the spark plug
>> boot and start the car.  If you see a spark, you have a fuel delivery
>> problem, not an ignition problem.
>> 
>> --
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> -------------- Original message from "odell_andy" <odell_andy_at_dml_y...>:

-------------- 

>> 
>> 
>
>>> > the distributor cap & spinning peg(?) are brand new, so are the

leads. 

>>> > plugs all test good. the white/slate wire is connected to the 
>>> > distributor base. What would cause only the Left 3 plugs to fire? 
>>> > distributor cap is on correctly. all parts are from delorean

specialists. 

>>> > any ideas? 
>>> > 
>
>> 
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:09:07 -0000
From: "odell_andy" <odell_andy_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 911, engine running on 3 cylinders MORE INFO

thanks for your help matt.
i had the help of an RAC man (roadside breakdown assistance) and he
couldnt understand it either. we did the test you describe (earth a
plug on the block, try to get a spark). when connected to one on the
left, you get a really big spark. no spark at all on any on the right.
the guy had me start the car, pulled off all 3 right spark leads,
nothing happened. pull off 1 of the left 3 and it stalls immediately.
 
 the emmisions test is the English MOT (still pretty strict). the car
is very underpowered at low speed.  the spark plug contacts are a bit
white on the firing side, and oily on the non firing. the cap is
definately ok, i havent had the distributor off yet.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "dmcchaser" <dmcchaser_at_dml_j...> wrote:

>>
>>   Are you certain that only three plugs are getting spark?  The 
>> reasons I ask are:  The car should be almost undriveable on only 3 
>> cylinders.  The car could not have passed its emissions test while 
>> missfiring that badly, the HCs would have been far too high.  It's 
>> very unusual to lose exactly half of the firing events in this way.
>>   That said, I don't doubt that your test is correct.  Let's take it 
>> a step further.  Pull the spark plugs out of the cylinders that 
>> aren't running and take a good look at the ends.  Are they clean and 









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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:51:10 -0000
From: "conundrum1984" <jeepno1_397_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New DMCH Performance Exhaust Inquiring feedback?

Jason,
I sent you an e-mail with a sound sample someone made of the new 
exhaust on a stock engine.  I am definately getting it!  Like Jeff 
and others said, the hardest part is getting the old system off.

Matt

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Jason McKee <tymchsr_at_dml_y...> wrote:

>>
>> Hello group, Is there any body who has installed the
>> new performance exhaust from DMCH recently. I'm
>> concidering it, but its looks pricy, but very nice. I
>> just want to get some feedback from anybody that
>> installed it on there Delorean. If so, does it make a
>> differance in accelleration? Does it have a nice
>> rumble, loud or mellow? Does it look good on the car
>> (hang to low or just right)? Do the tips hang out to
>> far or in the stock location and are they cut straight
>> or at a 45 deg. angle?  Installation easy or hard? Any
>> information and/or feedback would be very helpful with
>> my choice. Thanks for your time:)
>> 
>> Jason McKee
>> 4839








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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:10:51 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: "Exotic" show in Aiken, SC (11-12-05)

 
 
In a message dated 11/14/2005 5:52:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
derek4567_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:

On  another car forum, someone posted a link to this gallery of a car 
show  this past Sautrday in Aiken, SC. I see what looks like 2 
different  DeLoreans in attendance. Anyone from this group? Or someone 
you  know?

http://www.jmengel.com/shows/aecs/


>>>>>>

Perhaps even more interesting than that is the Renault Alpine someone  had!
 
Andy
 
Fargo, ND  
1982 DeLorean DMC12 VIN 11596



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:18:46 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Brake Master Cylinder

 
 
In a message dated 11/14/2005 5:55:38 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
coreysmoo_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:

I just  got my new brake master cylinder the other day.  Now, can anybody 
give me  a 
step by step on what I need to do to replace it?  I've located the  access 
panel in the 
trunk already, but I need to know the step by step for  removal of the old, 
and 
replacement with the  new.

Corey
2423



>>>>>>

Do you have a shop manual?  It's all right there.  Nothing  confusing or hard 
about removal and installation. Just make sure you bench bleed  the cylinder 
first then bleed the brakes when you are done.  Might as well  get stainless 
braided brake lines while you are at it and make sure you use  Castrol GTLMA 
brake fluid.
 
Andy
 
Fargo, ND  
1982 DeLorean DMC12 VIN 11596



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:18:03 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: A/C pressure

If the system has R12 - the symptoms appear to suggest low gas. The 
high side pressure should typically read higher than the manual 
suggests unless you have a shop fan in front of the radiator to 
assist in the air movement across the condenser. The air out of the 
center vents should read 40-44 degrees F at 80 degrees outside air 
temp.

If you are not experienced at the AC stuff I would still suggest you 
take it to a shop with the correct gear to get the level of R12 
correct.

Harold McElraft - 3354


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "alex morgan" <mauibarber_at_dml_h...> 
wrote:

>>
>> I had the A/C running on max speed max air, fans running but at 

idle not at 

>> 2000 rpm.  The problem is that the compressor is cycling every 6-7 

(should 

>> be around 12) seconds and seems like it could be a little bit 

cooler.  I 


>>









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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:36:07 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Start-up RPM's

A brief run-up rpm at start is a normal action - but, staying high 
for 15 seconds is not. A full 15 seconds? Could be the idle motor is 
sticking or connections in the idle speed circut may need cleaned. 
Also, the throttle plates may be open slightly causing a delay in 
the idle speed motor action or, the not-to-be-used idle adjustment 
screw may be open.

Harold McElraft - 3354 



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "coreysmoo" <coreysmoo_at_dml_h...> wrote:

>>
>> Just a quick question...
>> 
>> I've never heard another DeLorean start up besides mine, so I'm 

not sure if this is 

>> normal.  Actually, I've never heard any other car start up like 

this, so I'm fairly sure 

>> this is not normal.  Anyways, When I first turn the key, the car 

starts up and shoots 

>> the RPM's up to around 3000 and stays there for about 15 seconds.  

Then it settles 

>> down to around 800.  The throttle does not move at all while this 

is happening.  Any 

>> thoughts?
>> 
>> Also, I did fix the brake master cylinder problem.  I don't really 

feel like revisiting the 

>> event, but I'm sure everyone would get a laugh out of the story.  

So just know that the 

>> problem is gone, and I have a new, never used, still in the box 

master cylinder if 

>> anyone needs one.  :) 
>> 
>> Corey
>> 2423
>>









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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:40:03 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: New DMCH Performance Exhaust Inquiring feedback?

 
 
In a message dated 11/15/2005 8:37:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
jeepno1_397_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:

Jason,
I sent you an e-mail with a sound sample someone made of the  new 
exhaust on a stock engine.  I am definately getting it!   Like Jeff 
and others said, the hardest part is getting the old system  off.

Matt



>>>>>>

I too am considering this exhaust.  I have heard from others that it  may be 
too noisy for some tastes.  Can anyone else comment on this who owns  the 
exhaust?  Does it fatigue you on the interstate?
 
I would not have the stage 2 engine - how will an otherwise stock motor's  
sound be affected if the exhaust was developed to work with stage 2?
 
What other options are currently available? I know there is a set from the  
UK that is quite expensive but also very good.  Anything else?
 
Andy
 
Fargo, ND  
1982 DeLorean DMC12 VIN 11596



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:02:06 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: 911, engine running on 3 cylinders MORE INFO

OK - we know it's not your coil or plugs.  That leaves leads, cap and rotor.  
Since the cap and rotor are a pain to get to, we'll start with the leads.  Have
you tried swapping a lead from a firing cylinder to one that doesn't fire?
If the firing cylinder keeps running, it's not the lead and you have to inspect
the cap and rotor.  The rotor and cap should have a small gap between 
the rotor tip and the electrode on the cap.  The spark jumps here first
before it arcs across the plug gap.  If the gap is too wide or the electrodes
are covered with plastic flash or carbon or something inside the cap, the 
plug won't fire.

--
Mike


-------------- Original message from "odell_andy" <odell_andy_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>: -------------- 



>> thanks for your help mike. 
>> i imported the car to the uk, and just got it road legal. i had the 
>> whole fuel system replaced, which made the car run, and today i tried 
>> to repair the last problem, the tachometer (so i thought.) i tried to 
>> use a dwell meter & timing light to read the rpm, i dont know much 
>> about it, but i thought if the meter could read the rpm, the gauge 
>> would be faulty, and if the meter couldnt, it would be the sender. but 
>> the inductive pickup couldnt get a signal. checking the plugs 
>> (earthing on the block) revealed cylinders 1,2 & 3 have no spark. 4 5 
>> & 6 have MASSIVE sparks. 
>> i had read on the forum that people had thought the car was slow when 
>> they first drove it, so i thought nothing was wrong! 
>> 


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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:30:09 -0000
From: "byrondelorean" <celiambyron_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: www.deloreancarshow.com update

I am sure I'm not alone when stating that we cannot wait for the 
pheasant run event. I am more than anxious. I have been a Delorean 
soldier since the first promotional T.V Commercials. My father 
courageously bought two, 81 & 82 brand new which are still in our 
possession to this day. I am the proud owner of the 81 and will be 
placing it in the concourse judging at pheasant run. Not that I 
think I will win; but I believe I have a nice example of a 10,000 
mile car. Everyone is expecting this to be the biggest Delorean car 
show event. I guess the purpose of this e-mail is to let you know 
that you can now register for the event on the website Ken Koncelik 
has established specifically for Car shows, magazines and novelties. 
Registration options include but certainly nor limited to placing 
your car in general or concourse judging. You may also purchase a 
limited raffle for a 40,000-50,000 mile Delorean in purring 
condition for $50 bucks. You can order a special license plate with 
your Vin#. Cars will be lined up by VIN#. How much fun is that?

I am looking forward to meeting new friends at this event.
www.deloreancarshow.com
Byron








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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:59:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Jason McKee <tymchsr_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: New DMCH Performance Exhaust Inquiring feedback?

Thanks everyone for the feedback, pictures and sound
clip for the new DMCH performance exhaust. It really
made my decesion alot easier about the exhaust, now I
just need to save a litttle more and get it. Thanks
again!

Jason McKee
4839

--- Soma576_at_dml_aol.com wrote:


>>  
>>  
>> In a message dated 11/15/2005 8:37:54 P.M. Central
>> Standard Time,  
>> jeepno1_397_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:
>> 
>> Jason,
>> I sent you an e-mail with a sound sample someone
>> made of the  new 
>> exhaust on a stock engine.  





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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:33:26 +0000
From: "alex morgan" <mauibarber_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Minor Annoyance: Throttle lag prob.


Aloha everyone,
My Delorean does something that is a minor annoyance to my passenger.  When 
the car is traveling under 30mph and I let off the gas the car kind of lags 
or "slows down to fast".  It kind of feels like i tapped the brakes a bit 
but I DID NOT.  It doesnt bother me because I have a hold of the wheel and 
know when its coming but my wife isn't a big fan.  Is this a delorean thing 
or is something else happening.

Perhaps a throttle adjustment?  The car idles perfectly and accelerates 
flawlessly.  Any ideas?
-Alex







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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:46:54 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_optonline.net>
Subject: Re: 911, engine running on 3 cylinders MORE INFO

If you can't get any spark out of the distributer for the 3 spark
plugs another remote possability could be some kind of problem with
your pick-up coil or the rotor that the coil picks the signal up from.
It tells the ECU to fire the ignition coil so if it is not getting
pulses for those positions the coil will not generate a spark. Maybe
the gap has to be adjusted? Maybe the rotor (not the one on top for
the distributer cap) is bent?
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, mike.griese_at_dml_w... wrote:

>>
>> OK - we know it's not your coil or plugs.  That leaves leads, cap

and rotor.  

>> Since the cap and rotor are a pain to get to, we'll start with the

leads.  Have

>> you tried swapping a lead from a firing cylinder to one that doesn't

fire?

>>








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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:19:19 -0600
From: kjc <ckevinj_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: New DMCH Performance Exhaust Inquiring feedback?

The sound sample was my car.
The exhaust looks absolutely fantastic-- great coating, awesome routing and
set up.
It is definitely louder...
A friend (Jag's and vette's) thinks it sounds a little too (apologize for
the pejorative term) "ricey" as I passed him the other day. My wife shares
his opinion too, says I sounds like the Hondas with the fart pipes. I think
that is the tone from the Flowmaster muffler.
There is another gentleman on the list who has been experimenting with
another muffler on this setup, he posted on it a short time ago so you
should be able to find what he has done with a little searching of the list
at the site.

I need to tweak my mixture a little more. I get some smells from the exhaust
that aren't so pleasant and are probably unburned fuel hitting the cat's.

We had to richen the mixture after install, not just for the new setup but
also for my hot-start issue. A richer mixture probably stole more of the low
end power than anything, so I'm looking forward to tweaking that a
little.... But I need to finish with the move and probably need to replace
my tranny pivot bolt as I am having some second gear issues. Just a couple
of more important things.


On 11/15/05, Soma576_at_dml_aol.com <Soma576_at_dml_aol.com> wrote:

>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/15/2005 8:37:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>> jeepno1_397_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:
>>



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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:34:32 -0000
From: "birdwell77095" <birdwells_at_dml_usa.net>
Subject: Tech/Work Day in Houston November 26th

There will be a tech day/work day in Houston on Saturday, November 26th 
(barring bad weather). If you are going to be in Houston for the 
holidays and would like to help with repairs drop me an email off-line 
and I will send you the details. 

Shannon 
VIN 16113







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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:35:59 -0000
From: "cbl1739" <cbl302_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Can we ALL come to a correct definition of these DeLorean terms?

Tony,

I am not saying your Proto is not important,in fact IT IS the most 
important piece in the DMC history(outside of the workers that acutally 
built the cars)as it set a benchmark of what the DMC was to become,but 
it all had to start somewhere, and that was/is where the little red car 
comes in(the red Rocket),that Should deserve the same respect as your 
proto,in the same respect, as pilot 25,comes before vin # 500,in the 
history of the DMC,it was Not just a playtoy for engineering,but THE 
beginning of the DMC,it WAS their FIRST actual engineering car or proto 
engineering wehicle,since the red rocket was scrapped(or was it really 
scrapped?)Then your car takes proto1,spot as default.If it were to 
reappear,then the red rocket,would regain its status.But since its 
gone,the default survior,gets the crown.But in the paper history of 
DMC,it still belongs to the little red car,that started the ball 
rolling for the future of the DMC.  

cbl



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, DMCPROTO1_at_dml_a... wrote:

>>
>> If you would like to debate my 
>> car (Proto #1) feel free to call me toll free _at_dml_ 877-DELOREAN. Maybe 

My car is 

>> Proto #7 and John's first go-cart when he was 10 years old was the 

first 

>> DeLorean Prototype?
>> 
>> Tony Ierardi
>>









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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:11:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 911, engine running on 3 cylinders MORE INFO

Hi Andy.  I too was surprised that the thing even runs
on 3 cylinders, but your removing all three plug wires
at once seems pretty conclusive.  Assuming that the
wires are on correctly, I'm wondering if you don't
have an "even-fire" distributor cap.  Here's how to
check:  the original cap for the Delorean was an
"odd-fire" one such that if you look straight down on
the top of the cap, it should look like three groups
of two towers, not 6 evenly spaced.  An even-fire cap
will be 6 evenly-spaced towers.  If you can't tell
with it installed, it might be easier to just swap the
old cap back on as a test.



Steve

VIN 2650 ("Project Delorean")
www.projectdelorean.com


		
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:03:43 -0000
From: "vin4258" <vin4258_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Emissions

Wonderful news in that vin 4258 failed its emissions idle test.  
Readings at 686 RPM were 289 for HC and 4.25 for CO% when 220 and 1.2 
are legal limits respectively.  I have read through my tech service 
manual and it says that I don't want to adjust the idle mixture screws 
since they are factory set and don't need subsequent adjustment.  So, 
where should I start- is this easy as an air filter change (it 
probably needs one) or is it the cold start valve or thermotime 
switch, or a new direction completely.  BTW the same readings were 72 
HC and .8 CO% at the high speed test (2378 RPM) which passed.

Any thoughts?







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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:19:41 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Can we ALL come to a correct definition of these DeLorean terms?

The Fiat X 1/9 considered an "engineering mule" rather than a 
prototype. It was a production car, with it's own real VIN, that they 
modified as a proof of concept.  Companies do this all the time.  It 
has absolutely no design elements of the DMC other than the fact that 
the engine was in the back, which it already was on the X1/9 anyway. It 
was an X 1/9 with an engine swap. 

Putting a Northstar engine in a DeLorean doesn't make it a Cadillac 
either. 

Dave Swingle


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cbl1739" <cbl302_at_dml_s...> wrote:

>>
>> Tony,
>> 
>> I am not saying your Proto is not important,in fact IT IS the most 
>> important piece in the DMC history








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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:36:36 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Can we ALL come to a correct definition of these DeLorean terms?

The Fiat was not a DeLorean prototype, it was a test mule to evaluate engines.
It was a normal Fiat X1/9 with a serial number an a license plate that got hacked
up to take a different engine.  That does not make it a DeLorean.

--
Mike


-------------- Original message from "cbl1739" <cbl302_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>: -------------- 



>> Tony, 
>> 
>> I am not saying your Proto is not important,in fact IT IS the most 
>> important piece in the DMC history(outside of the workers that acutally 
>> built the cars)as it set a benchmark of what the DMC was to become,but 
>> it all had to start somewhere, and that was/is where the little red car 
>> comes in(the red Rocket),





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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:48:31 -0000
From: "M. P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: Re: Emissions

One easy swap-out is the O2 sensor,
     That tends to do the trick.  However, I had two bag plug wires 
that caused a very rich reading during emissions.  The way we ended 
up findind it was with a timing light.  It just so happened that 
plug wire #1 was firing intermittantly.  We thought at first it was 
the timing gun but other guns had the same "malfunction."  Upon 
testing the other plug wires, #5 also suffered the same problem.  I 
only had about 10,000 miles on the car since the last tuneup but I 
figured if I was going in I might as well do plugs, cap, and rotor.  
That was the trick.  Everything came down to within acceptable 
levels.

Good luck, and let us know the outcome.

Matt Olans
VIN 16816
www.az-d.org  The Arizona DeLorean Club


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "vin4258" <vin4258_at_dml_d...> wrote:

>>
>> Wonderful news in that vin 4258 failed its emissions idle test.  
>> Readings at 686 RPM were 289 for HC and 4.25 for CO% when 220 and 

1.2 

>> are legal limits respectively.  I have read through my tech 

service 

>> manual and it says that I don't want to adjust the idle mixture 

screws 

>> since they are factory set and don't need subsequent adjustment.  

So, 

>> where should I start- is this easy as an air filter change (it 
>> probably needs one) or is it the cold start valve or thermotime 
>> switch, or a new direction completely.  BTW the same readings were 

72 

>> HC and .8 CO% at the high speed test (2378 RPM) which passed.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>>









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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:47:33 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 911, engine running on 3 cylinders MORE INFO

Is there an even fire cap that fits the DeLorean dizzy? No Even fire PRV 
had that distributor.

Steve Stankiewicz wrote:


>>I'm wondering if you don't
>>have an "even-fire" distributor cap.  
>>







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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:45:16 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Can we ALL come to a correct definition of these DeLorean terms?



cbl1739 wrote:


>><snip>
>>
>>in the same respect, as pilot 25,comes before vin # 500,in the 
>>history of the DMC,it was Not just a playtoy for engineering,but THE 
>>beginning of the DMC,it WAS their FIRST actual engineering car or proto 
>>engineering wehicle
>>

Really? So what about numbers 1 through 24? I believe they were all 
pilot production cars.

Tony's proto #1 is one of the Bill Collins cars but apart from outward 
appearance, was a completely different car to the Lotus engineered 
vehicle of which Alistair's Pilot 25 is an early production car - 
whether meant for sale or not is a moot point, IMO.

On the subject of Tony's car, didn't the first Bill Collins car have 
"DSV" on the front grille - for DeLorean Safety Vehicle? Vague 
recollection somewhere...

And just to really mess this thinking up - what about the Lotus test mules?

Martin





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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:57:59 -0000
From: "M. P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: The AZ-D goes to Las Vegas-for real this time

Ok,
     The AZ-D is definitely heading up to Las Vegas this weekend.  
We have a couple of suites at the St. Tropez and more are available 
at our reduced rate for anyone who wants to join us in Sin City.  
We're caravanning up around 1pm on Friday and hope to arrive before 
5pm local time.  
     Our plan is to buffet ourselves Friday night, followed by a 
tour of Las Vegas and gawking at the lights and shows.  Saturday 
afternoon will be spent with the new Las Vegas members of the AZ-D: 
going over the new members' cars and general tech.  Of course 
Saturday night is reserved for yet another buffet, some casino fun, 
and a late night cruise down the strip.  
     We plan do do a few of these trips every year and hope that 
more owners and enthusiasts will join us.  Since we drive year round 
out here in Arizona and Nevada we're always up for hosting club 
events for those who aren't able to drive during the winter months.  
Drop myself or Randal Brown "The 3M Guy" a line if you and/or your 
club is interested in sharing a desert event and we'll get you on 
the calendar.  The next event is the AZ-D Annual Holiday Party on 
Saturday, December 10th.  That's when we plan to finalize and 
release our 2006 schedule.

Cool Runnings!

Matt Olans
VIN 16816
VeeP-The Arizona DeLorean Club
www.az-d.org









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