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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 3028

There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Transmission problems - an update
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

2. Re: Failed emmissions AGAIN
From: "valleyrat12" <valleyrat12_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. Re: Re: Eibach springs/shock set
From: kjc <ckevinj_at_dml_gmail.com>

4. Re: Re: Eibach springs/shock set
From: doki_pen <doki_pen_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Water Pump Style
From: "usndmc" <usndmc_at_dml_gmail.com>

6. Re: Coolant Coming Out
From: "Joseph Kuchan" <josephkuchan_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. Re: Failed emmissions AGAIN
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_optonline.net>

8. RE: Failed emmissions AGAIN
From: "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_comcast.net>

9. Re: Transmission problems - an update
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_optonline.net>

10. Re: Re: Coolant Coming Out
From: "G R" <tuxdarby_at_dml_msn.com>

11. Re: Eibach springs/shock set
From: "Christophe Vieira" <chris_delorean_at_dml_hotmail.com>

12. Re: Eibach springs/shock set
From: "Christophe Vieira" <chris_delorean_at_dml_hotmail.com>

13. DCO Annual Meeting
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

14. Re: Eibach springs/shock set
From: "James Espey" <james_at_dml_delorean.com>

15. Re: Re: Eibach springs/shock set
From: <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

16. RE: Re: Revolving License Plate
From: "Videobob Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>

17. Door Oddity?
From: "Marv Hein" <marvhein_at_dml_hotmail.com>

18. Re: Failed emmissions AGAIN
From: "dmcchaser" <dmcchaser_at_dml_juno.com>

19. Re: Eibach springs/shock set
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

20. Re: Bad Cat?
From: "dmcchaser" <dmcchaser_at_dml_juno.com>

21. Re: Failed emmissions AGAIN
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_gmail.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:45:39 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Transmission problems - an update

Hi All

Going back a week or so to the turbocharger/transmission discussion, I got a 'box back today from our rebuilders. This particular box had problems with selecting 2nd and popping out of 5th. I learnt a couple of things of interest and thought I'd pass them on. I'd be the first to admit that my experience with gearboxes is limited - we just off-board to a local specialist who's very good.

The 5th gear fork 103232 is available from Renault for about 105 or
$186 by today's exchange rate. It'd come special order from France.

I also got back a gearbox I'd had done as a "special" for my own DeLorean. Some time ago, I managed to find an original 369-01 Renault 30 gearbox on ebay UK and bought it. It has the higher 3.88:1 final drive and the diff the wrong way round but is otherwise the same as a DeLorean's in all major respects. I've had the diff reversed, the early 10-spline input replaced for a 21-spline one and the input coupler replaced for one of Toby's wings-B-strong* ones. Interestingly, discovered that the problem with the roll pin on second on the D box is
a) unique to second and b) not a problem on my early box.

First-to-second is probably the most violent gearchange and it's commonplace now to spring-load the selector fork on 2nd in a manual tranny. This is how it's done on the DeLorean and it's the roll pin retaining that spring that breaks off. My early 369-01 has a solid selector. This will make 2nd a bit more "notchy" but I suspect the reason for the spring is to protect the selector fork as much as it is to make the change smooth. Shame they cocked up with the roll pin! I'll let you know how it drives when it's in my car.

* that's a joke, BTW

Best Wishes

Martin
DMC Ltd
www.delorean.co.uk







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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:51:56 -0000
From: "valleyrat12" <valleyrat12_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Failed emmissions AGAIN

Gas in the tank is new. Is it possible for me to clean the injectors at home or do I need to take them to a vendor?

Nathan

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_g...>
wrote:
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "valleyrat12" <valleyrat12_at_dml_y...>
wrote:
> >
> > I know the mixture and timing are correct because I allready
took 
> > the car to Garden Grove.  There must be something else wrong with 
> > the car and I can not afford the $800 or so dollars in
labor it 
> > would cost to have a proper mechanic do it.  Plus I bought the car 
> > as a hobby, I enjoy pain I guess...
> <SNIP>
> > 
> > Any other ideas?
> > 
> > Nathan
> 
> How old is the gas in the tank?
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"
>









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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:14:29 -0600
From: kjc <ckevinj_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Eibach springs/shock set

>
>
> The only "bad" point about Eibach spring is that the front is still a 
> little too hight on my car.


Looks great! Just bring the back up a little to even it out. Plus, if they are very new they should settle down a little.

I think the new setup is firm but not as harsh and buck-boardy the aged oem setup was.

-Kevin
4687


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:49:00 -0800 (PST)
From: doki_pen <doki_pen_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Eibach springs/shock set

That is definitely NOT the look I'm going for.
 
Jon

----- Original Message ----
From: Christophe Vieira <chris_delorean_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:16:06 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: Eibach springs/shock set


Hello,

I installed on my car DMCH Eibach spring and PJ Grady perfo shocks.
I use to drive fast and handling is really great with this setup and yes, it could be better if ride was a little more firm. We do not use to drive "barge" in Europe. ;-)

The only "bad" point about Eibach spring is that the front is still a little too hight on my car.

You can see the result here :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/delorean/vin04271-640x480/vin04271-0482.jpg

Best regards from France,

Chris.
#04271.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "James Espey" <james_at_dml_d...> wrote:
>
> IMO, if you're running original 25-yr old shocks and springs, you will 
> see a definite improvement not only in handling, but also in ride 
> quality. Unlike some shocks, when original DeLorean shocks get old, 
> they don't get soft, they get hard - very hard. That's why so many 
> DeLoreans ride like trucks.
> 
> Interestingly, while all customers agree that the handling performance 
> is greatly improved with the shock/spring setup, some US-customers 
> have mentioned that the ride seems too firm. On the other hand, some 
> European customers feel that the ride is not firm enough!
> 
> Also, after a brief period of unavailability, complete shock/spring 
> kits are now available from DMC (Texas) or the other full-service
vendors.
> 
> James Espey
> DMC (Texas)
> http://www.delorean.com









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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:32:42 -0000
From: "usndmc" <usndmc_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Water Pump Style

Group,

I am going to get a new water pump soon, and I am curious as to 
advantages/disadvantages of the 4-bolt on pulley style and the 
original press-on pulley style. Is there anything besides ease of 
removal of the pulley? Just looking for a little enlightenment as to 
the differences. Thanks everyone, happy holidays!

Dave
#5968









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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:40:08 -0600
From: "Joseph Kuchan" <josephkuchan_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Coolant Coming Out

Mike, it may or may not be overheatring. If the cap is bad (weak spring, 
leaky gasket, both) then the car would expel coolant without necessarily 
overheating. The cap should be inspected and tested or simply replaced if it 
is old (they are cheap enough) to see if that solves the problem.

Dave Swingle recently tested a bunch of old caps from various cars and they 
alll wouldn't hold more than a few pounds of pressure. That seems to be a 
fairly commmon failure mode.

-Joe Kuchan


>From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [DML] Coolant Coming Out
>Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:26:06 +0000
>
>Your car is overheating, which is forcing the coolant out of the overflow 
>valve
>in the radiator cap.  What does your temperature gage read normally?
>
>There are several reasons for overheating.  First is that your system is
>not airtight.  Your coolant system should hold 15lbs of pressure for at
>least 15 minutes.  You test this with a pressure tester, which is an air 
>pump
>that replaces your coolant bottle cap.  You also need to test your cap to
>ensure that it stays closed until it sees 15lbs.  Most coolant pressure
>testers have a fitting that allows you to attach the cap to the pump.
>
>The second reason for overheating is not bleeding the system properly.  The
>DeLorean is susceptible to air pockets in the coolant system, which can
>superheat and expand, forcing coolant out of the overflow valve.
>
>Third is that your thermostat is not opening at the appropriate temperature
>or not opening at all.  You can at least check to see if it is opening at 
>all by
>warming the car up and feeling the hoses up by the radiator.  If they stay
>cool, your thermostat could be stuck closed.
>
>The final reason for overheating is that your water pump has failed.  This
>has a similar symptom of  a stuck thermostat.  It is usually accompanied
>by a lot of squealing as the belt tries to turn a siezed pump or the 
>bearings
>are screaming out as they fail.
>
>--
>Mike
>
>
>-------------- Original message from "tuxr" <tuxdarby_at_dml_msn.com>: 
>--------------
>
>
> > Update: I've been putting in coolant for the last several mornings.
> > When I stop the car some of the coolant comes out of the hose that
> > connects to where the coolant cap is. Not alot, but some. I'm
> > assuming it's coming out when I'm driving, but I don't know that.
> > Other than the fact I keep putting more in. Any ideas what would
> > cause that? Thanks very much for the advice.






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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:51:55 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Failed emmissions AGAIN

Unless you have the tester/cleaner all you can do is clean the
outside. Best to send the injectors off to a vendor or maybe you can
find a local Volvo dealer that will do them for you. Volvo service
departments will have the tester/cleaner, they used the same Bosch
fuel system. Make a friend with the service manager and maybe for a
box of doughnuts they will do you a favor. It only takes a few minutes
to do them.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "valleyrat12" <valleyrat12_at_dml_y...> wrote:
>
> Gas in the tank is new. Is it possible for me to clean the injectors 
> at home or do I need to take them to a vendor?
> 
> Nathan
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_g...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "valleyrat12" <valleyrat12_at_dml_y...> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I know the mixture and timing are correct because I allready 
> took 
> > > the car to Garden Grove.  There must be something else wrong 
> > > with the car and I can not afford the $800 or so dollars in 
> labor it 
> > > would cost to have a proper mechanic do it.  Plus I bought the 
> > > car as a hobby, I enjoy pain I guess...
> > <SNIP>
> > > 
> > > Any other ideas?
> > > 
> > > Nathan
> > 
> > How old is the gas in the tank?
> > 
> > -Robert
> > vin 6585 "X"
> >
>









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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:07:51 -0700
From: "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Failed emmissions AGAIN

usually at the same service station you get your smog at. most will usually
charge an extra fee for it but if you fail the pretest they wont continue
with the smog.



-----Original Message-----
From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com [mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of valleyrat12
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:37 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Failed emmissions AGAIN


Sorry for my ignorance, where could I get a pre test done?
Nathan
--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_c...>
wrote:
>
> let us know the results after that is done.. I would suggest doing
a
> pre-test first.
>
> DarkStar
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com [mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of valleyrat12
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:50 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DML] Failed emmissions AGAIN
>
>
> I know the mixture and timing are correct because I allready took
> the car to Garden Grove.  There must be something else wrong
> with the car and I can not afford the $800 or so dollars in labor
it
> would cost to have a proper mechanic do it.  Plus I bought the
> car as a hobby, I enjoy pain I guess...
>
> I will be replacing:
>
> Cap and rotor
> Plugs/wires
> O2 sensor
> Cat
> Oil Change
> Adjust my noisy valve on the left side of the motor.  (Dolorean
> Motor Center confirmed that it is indeed a valve and not the
> exhaust gasket)
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Nathan
>









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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:46:55 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Transmission problems - an update

The broken roll pin and the bent shifter fork are from not fully
disengaging the clutch and forcing shifts. Probably from having the
plastic clutch line and/or just banging the poor box into gears. The
shifter fork can be straightened and the roll pin is easily changed
once you get the box out and apart. If you shift it "like a normal
person" and put the braided steel clutch line in you should not have
any problems with the manual transmission. For added peace of mind
many owners use synthetic gear oil. The claim is easier and smoother
shifting, especially in cold weather. I also recomend a magnetic drain
plug and check the oil level at least once a year. If the clutch
should fail to work and you attempt to drive the car by "power
shifting" ie, shifting without a clutch, you risk at least breaking
the roll pin on the shifter fork and possably other more expensive
damage. If you flush and change the brake fluid in the clutch master
and slave every 2 years you should not have that problem. The other
common failure point on a 5-speed is the pivot bolt on the shift
linkage. Again, probably from forcing things. It can fail without
warning so the only insurance is to keep a spare in the glove box.
That way you can get it repaired anywhere you can get it up on a lift.
The manual transmission on a Delorean has some unusual things ie, you
cannot change some of the bearings and some of the clearances are NOT
adjustable. Other than that it is pretty simple inside. I do not like
Hylomar! I did several boxes with the stuff and they all weeped. I use
Permatex Silicone Gasket Maker (silicone safe) and I have no problems.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Martin Gutkowski <martin_at_dml_d...> wrote:
>
> Hi All
> 
> Going back a week or so to the turbocharger/transmission discussion, I 
> got a 'box back today from our rebuilders. This particular box had 
> problems with selecting 2nd and popping out of 5th. I learnt a
couple of 
>








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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:13:23 -0500
From: "G R" <tuxdarby_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Coolant Coming Out

I'm going to get a new cap on it, it can't hurt.  I'll check the level in the morning, I think I was overfilling it.  Thanks very much for the help.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Toby Peterson<mailto:tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com> 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com<mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:25 AM
  Subject: [DML] Re: Coolant Coming Out


  Tux - The cooling system capacity is 2.9 gallons (from dry to 
  full).  The level in the coolant fill tank should be about 2 inches 
  below the top, to allow for thermal expansion of the coolant.  If 
  you fill the coolant fill tank to the top, it will expel as much as 
  it needs to to get back to a point where it has room to expand. Of 
  course, you may want to consider replacing the cap if it is 
  releasing pressure early.  It should hold 15 PSI pressure.  If it is 
  old or weak, that can lead to coolant loss from the overflow.  
  Assuming you have no air in the system (using a self-bleeder or 
  having a properly bled system), a good cap, and no active leaks or 
  sources of coolant loss other than out of the overflow tube, you 
  need to just relax, let it find its level, and leave it alone.

  Toby Peterson  VIN 2248 "Winged1"
  DeLorean Parts Northwest, LLC
  www.delorean-parts.com<http://www.delorean-parts.com/>  


  --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com<mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>, "tuxr" <tuxdarby_at_dml_m<mailto:tuxdarby_at_dml_m>...> wrote:
  >
  > Update:  I've been putting in coolant for the last several 
  mornings.  
  > When I stop the car some of the coolant comes out of the hose that 
  > connects to where the coolant cap is.  Not alot, but some.  I'm 
  > assuming it's coming out when I'm driving, but I don't know that.  
  > Other than the fact I keep putting more in.  Any ideas what would 
  > cause that?  Thanks very much for the advice.










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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:12:41 -0000
From: "Christophe Vieira" <chris_delorean_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Eibach springs/shock set

I totally agree with you, the back is too low and the front too 
high. I can fix it for the back but I hope that the front will 
settle down as you said, I got the springs installed 6 months ago or 
so. What I would want is that the wheel center is the same as the 
wheel well.

Best regards,

Chris.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, kjc <ckevinj_at_dml_g...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The only "bad" point about Eibach spring is that the front is 
still a
> > little too hight on my car.
> 
> 
> Looks great! Just bring the back up a little to even it out. Plus, 
if they
> are very new they should settle down a little.
> 
> I think the new setup is firm but not as harsh and buck-boardy the 
aged oem
> setup was.
> 
> -Kevin
> 4687
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:22:27 -0000
From: "Christophe Vieira" <chris_delorean_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Eibach springs/shock set

I think that handling is more important than look but it is not the 
look I wanted for my car too, I agree...
But for now, handling is improved and I will see later to correct 
that.

Best regards,

Chris.
#04271.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, doki_pen <doki_pen_at_dml_y...> wrote:
>
> That is definitely NOT the look I'm going for.
>  
> Jon
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Christophe Vieira <chris_delorean_at_dml_h...>
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:16:06 PM
> Subject: [DML] Re: Eibach springs/shock set
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I installed on my car DMCH Eibach spring and PJ Grady perfo shocks.
> I use to drive fast and handling is really great with this setup 
and
> yes, it could be better if ride was a little more firm. We do not 
use
> to drive "barge" in Europe. ;-)
> 
> The only "bad" point about Eibach spring is that the front is 
still a
> little too hight on my car.
> 
> You can see the result here :
> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/delorean/vin04271-640x480/vin04271-0482.jpg
> 
> Best regards from France,
> 
> Chris.
> #04271.
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "James Espey" <james_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> >
> > IMO, if you're running original 25-yr old shocks and springs, 
you will
> > see a definite improvement not only in handling, but also in ride
> > quality. Unlike some shocks, when original DeLorean shocks get 
old,
> > they don't get soft, they get hard - very hard. That's why so 
many
> > DeLoreans ride like trucks.
> > 
> > Interestingly, while all customers agree that the handling 
performance
> > is greatly improved with the shock/spring setup, some US-
customers
> > have mentioned that the ride seems too firm. On the other hand, 
some
> > European customers feel that the ride is not firm enough!
> > 
> > Also, after a brief period of unavailability, complete 
shock/spring
> > kits are now available from DMC (Texas) or the other full-service
> vendors.
> > 
> > James Espey
> > DMC (Texas)
> > http://www.delorean.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:55:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DCO Annual Meeting

The DeLorean Club of Ohio's annual meeting will be held on Saturday January 14,
2006. Like all club events it it open to any DMC owner and/or enthusiast. This is
the meeting where we plan out the upcoming years events. Have an event idea?
Please bring it along. And with the DCS '06 Chicago show this year we will have
plenty of planning to talk with Ken about.

Burr Oak State Park
10220 Burr Oak Lodge Rd.
Glouster, OH 45732
740-767-2112
http://www.ohiodnr.com/parks/parks/burroak.htm

We will meet in the Cardinal Dinning room at the lodge. Lunch is scheduled for 12
noon with the meeting immediately following.

Please RSVP to Mike & Patti Substelny (mike.substelny[at]ohiodeloreans.com) by
Friday, Jan. 6, 2006. If weather conditions merit cancelation they will notify
those who RSVP'd no later than Thursday Jan. 12th.

Shannon Y
16506
http://www.ohiodeloreans.com
http://www.illwillpress.com/xmas.html

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:39:29 -0000
From: "James Espey" <james_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Eibach springs/shock set

Chris -

The photo you posted shows that something is not right on your car. I
question whether the problem is in the shocks or if it's not yet
settled in yet.

Here is a photo of our complete setup (Eibach springs and our brand of
shocks) after about 1,000 miles:

http://www.delorean.com/eibach.jpg
http://www.delorean.com/eibach2.jpg

This is what ALL of our installs look like after they settle in - I do
know that our system was designed to be installed as a unit - why did
you choose the Grady shocks?

James Espey
DMC (Texas)
http://www.delorean.com

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Christophe Vieira"
<chris_delorean_at_dml_h...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> 
> I installed on my car DMCH Eibach spring and PJ Grady perfo shocks.
> I use to drive fast and handling is really great with this setup and
> yes, it could be better if ride was a little more firm. We do not use
> to drive "barge" in Europe. ;-)
> 
> The only "bad" point about Eibach spring is that the front is still a
> little too hight on my car.
> 
> You can see the result here :
> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/delorean/vin04271-640x480/vin04271-0482.jpg

(SNIP)








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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:13:07 -0600
From: <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Eibach springs/shock set

I'm an original owner with 25 years of driving the DeLorean. When I bought 
the car I hated the 4x4 look with the extreme high front end. The first time 
I exceed 100mph the car felt as though it was close to going air borne and 
needless to say there was little feeling of control. At the time the only 
option was the cut and swap which I did. Handling improved dramatically as 
did the way the car looked. I drove it like that for many years replacing 
the original Girling shocks once during the years they were available. When 
Marty had the Mid-States softer progressive springs made along with the 
shock kit I switched to that. The ride improved considerably and the 
handling diminished only slightly. The problem I incurred was the softer 
suspension settled too low when the trunk was full of luggage. I ended up 
with a rubber doughnut between a pair of coils on each side of the front 
suspension. Strangely the same springs in some other cars didn't have that 
problem. I still haven't figured that out. ( no...my luggage wasn't heavier 
than the others.). Last summer I decided to go with the Eibach set up from 
Houston. I have to say that the car handles the best it has ever handled 
throughout my years of ownership. The ride is a bit harsher than the Mid 
States setup but I also added 17" wheels up front and 18" wheels in the rear 
with extremely low profile tires. There is give and take between handling 
and a softer ride. I prefer the edge going to handling and even after a 5500 
mile trip in late summer I didn't find anything all that objectionable with 
the Eibach setup. In my opinion the confidence good handling and subtle 
suspension feed back give while traveling at high speeds hour after hour reduced 
driver fatigue. I'm guessing here the majority of us bought the car because 
we enjoy driving. I heard a lot of good things regarding the spring and 
shock set up that Rob Grady sold. I'm not sure it's available any longer 
but, in any case, a mix and match approach of using one setup's springs and 
another's shocks isn't a good idea. Both Houston's and Rob Grady's suspensions 
were designed to be installed as a package working together to get the best 
results.

Bruce Benson 





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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:40:06 -0600
From: "Videobob Moseley" <videobob_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Revolving License Plate

I would love to come up with a way to change plates within the DeLorean 
plate frame,
I would like to be able to switch from my legal tag to my BTTF novelty tag.
I was trying to figure out a way of having one slide on top of the other and 
then
back down again.
- VB


>From: "Dan" <djdanwilson_at_dml_yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Re: Revolving License Plate
>Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:24:15 -0000
>
>It's not exactly designed to work with North American plates either.
>
>Dan W.
>VIN 16192
>AZ-D
>
>
>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Ed B." <mr.pants_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> >
> > According to the website: " ...you get rid of snow and dirt that sticks
> > to your license plate ... in order to optimize the photo quality at
> > speed & cartoll cameras".   Ummmm, yeah... sure.  I think it's pretty
> > clear what the "intent" is with regards to the toll cameras and the
> > ability to have your licence plate "disappear"...  Might be good device
> > for a car that's a little less, umm, rare, than a D.
> >
> > - ed
> >
> > 1982 DMC-12 [11594]
> > 1986.5 928S
> > 1990 Coupe Quattro 20V
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:16:31 -0000
From: "Marv Hein" <marvhein_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Door Oddity?

While attending a car show with the AZ-D this past weekend, I noticed 
that the doors on my car have plastic caps around the latches.

Dan Fox believes the plastic parts were introduced on the 1983 cars.  
Sure enough, of the 10 D's we had there, all 1981 and 1982 cars had 
metal parts.  The 1983 cars had plastic.

Here's my mystery.  I have 1982 VIN 10820 with plastic parts 
that "shouldn't be there."  

Dan's car is 100 behind me (10920) and has the "correct" metal parts. 
The parts have different numbers of screw holes, so it seems other 
parts of the door are different too.  Both cars were built in Dec. '81.

Any ideas on this curiousity?  

Marv
#10820
AZ-D









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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:35:26 -0000
From: "dmcchaser" <dmcchaser_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Failed emmissions AGAIN

Find a shop that is emission certified.  Any shop that is set up to
repair and certify emission repairs will have the equipment.  Ask them
to do an exhaust gas analysis for you.

Matt Smith

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "valleyrat12" <valleyrat12_at_dml_y...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for my ignorance, where could I get a pre test done?
> Nathan
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_c...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > let us know the results after that is done.. I would suggest doing 
> a
> > pre-test first.
> > 
> > DarkStar
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com [mailto:dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com]On 
> Behalf
> > Of valleyrat12
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:50 PM
> > To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [DML] Failed emmissions AGAIN
> > 
> > 
> > I know the mixture and timing are correct because I allready took
> > the car to Garden Grove.  There must be something else wrong
> > with the car and I can not afford the $800 or so dollars in labor 
> it
> > would cost to have a proper mechanic do it.  Plus I bought the
> > car as a hobby, I enjoy pain I guess...
> > 
> > I will be replacing:
> > 
> > Cap and rotor
> > Plugs/wires
> > O2 sensor
> > Cat
> > Oil Change
> > Adjust my noisy valve on the left side of the motor.  (Dolorean
> > Motor Center confirmed that it is indeed a valve and not the
> > exhaust gasket)
> > 
> > Any other ideas?
> > 
> > Nathan
> >
>








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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:58:39 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Eibach springs/shock set

Are the rear shocks that Chris used adjustable? I believe that if you 
put the Eibach springs on rear shocks that are stock, or designed to 
operate only at the stock height, the rear is going to sit low but 
about 1/2 inch. The DMCH rears are adjustable to compensate for this 
as part of the design. (So are Marty's by the way). I have no idea 
why the front would appear high, unless the shocks you used are 
severely pressurized. I have seen the same springs end up at 
different heights on different cars for no particular reason. (yes - 
we have swapped springs around cars trying to figure some of this 
out).

Sometimes its not good to "break up" a system, and when you mix and 
match different vendors' systems, you can't complain to the system 
integrator since it's yourself. 

Dave

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, doki_pen <doki_pen_at_dml_y...> wrote:
>
> That is definitely NOT the look I'm going for.
>  
> Jon
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Christophe Vieira <chris_delorean_at_dml_h...>
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:16:06 PM
> Subject: [DML] Re: Eibach springs/shock set
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I installed on my car DMCH Eibach spring and PJ Grady perfo shocks.
> I use to drive fast and handling is really great with this setup and
> yes, it could be better if ride was a little more firm. We do not 
use
> to drive "barge" in Europe. ;-)
> 
> The only "bad" point about Eibach spring is that the front is still 
a
> little too hight on my car.








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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:29:47 -0000
From: "dmcchaser" <dmcchaser_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Bad Cat?

Beyond confirming that the element is in place and not melted (yours
sounds ok) there is not much that can be determined from a cat just by
looking at it.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "valleyrat12" <valleyrat12_at_dml_y...> wrote:
>
> I pulled my Cat today, lookied inside and there is a screen but I can 
> shine light through from one side to the other.  I admit I do not know 
> much about them other than there is platinum inside them. I am pretty 
> sure this is the original that came with the car. Is there any way to 
> tell if it is bad by looking at it?
> 
> Nathan
>








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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:48:13 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Failed emmissions AGAIN

You really can't clean the injectors yourself. The BOSCH shops that
clean them simply run some solvent thru them for a short period of
time. That's great if you've got a bit of gum that's clogging up the
injectors, but can't clear out hard debris, or repair a weak spring.
So it's probably more economical to just replace all of the injectors,
rather than to clean them, IF they are clogged.

But first of course, you have to verify that you HAVE clogged fuel
injectors. You could do this with six baby food jars, and a bit of
patience. Check for proper spray pattern, and an equal displacement of
fuel. HOWEVER...

You stated that your numbers on HydroCarbons were 18 & 16. I'm
*assuming* that these are the variances on a two-speed emissions test,
because they're simular to what my car was putting out when properly
tuned. Now as a comparison, I had a single clogged injector. And here
are the results off my car:

152ppm HC/.22%CO _at_dml_ 2,500 RPM & 1138ppm/.48%CO _at_dml_ 750 RPM

Your results are no where near what I had, so I wouldn't immediately
think of this being a clogged injector since it doesn't look like your
issue is an incomplete burn in the combustion chamber. My initial
guess would be either bad gas, or the engine is running too lean. But
the issue isn't something that can easily be solved, without a little
background on the car.

When did the car last past smog?
Have you verified that there are no vacuum leaks?
Has anyone performed a valve adjustment since it last passed smog?
Before your fresh tank of fuel, how long ago were the last two tanks
of gas?
Since it was last tuned, have you done ANY work in the engine compartment?
How rough is the idle?

Many Smog Check stations in California should offer a "Pass, or you
don't Pay" promise on emissions testing. So you shouldn't need to
plunk down cash each time you have the car tested.

If bad fuel is the case, a bottle of Techron should help to clean it
up. After the various chemicals I've poured into my car, that's the
ONLY additive I'd reccomend adding.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "valleyrat12" <valleyrat12_at_dml_y...> wrote:
>
> Gas in the tank is new. Is it possible for me to clean the injectors 
> at home or do I need to take them to a vendor?
> 
> Nathan
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_g...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "valleyrat12" <valleyrat12_at_dml_y...> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I know the mixture and timing are correct because I allready 
> took 
> > > the car to Garden Grove.  There must be something else wrong 
> > > with the car and I can not afford the $800 or so dollars in 
> labor it 
> > > would cost to have a proper mechanic do it.  Plus I bought the 
> > > car as a hobby, I enjoy pain I guess...
> > <SNIP>
> > > 
> > > Any other ideas?
> > > 
> > > Nathan
> > 
> > How old is the gas in the tank?
> > 
> > -Robert
> > vin 6585 "X"
> >
>








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