From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 2:50 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 3046

There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: No More Deloreans?
From: Travis Strutzenberg <bigstrutz12_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Re: Tires and Wheels
From: ComposerZelgadis_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Revolving License Plate
From: Travis Strutzenberg <bigstrutz12_at_dml_yahoo.com>

4. RE: NY Times Magazine article on John Delorean
From: Kevin Abato <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

5. Re: Wow. (was:Before the internet)
From: doki_pen <doki_pen_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. Re: Reproduction tires needed!
From: "Dan" <djdanwilson_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. Re: before the internet & another N.Y. Times article
From: "Eric" <hollywood2311_at_dml_gmail.com>

8. Re: Tires and Wheels
From: "gullwingmag" <gullwing-magazine_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>

9. Re: Tires and Wheels
From: "Derek" <derek.grozio_at_dml_verizon.net>

10. Re: Frame damage - PLEASE read the important note! (was:Battery for Delorean)
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomciodmc_at_dml_poczta.onet.pl>

11. Re: Canadian Deloreans
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>

12. Re: before the internet & another N.Y. Times article
From: "cbl1739" <cbl302_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>

13. Re: Re: Reproduction tires needed!
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

14. Re: Re: Reproduction tires needed!
From: <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

15. Re: before the internet & another N.Y. Times article
From: "Dan" <djdanwilson_at_dml_yahoo.com>

16. Re: before the internet & another N.Y. Times article
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_gmail.com>

17. Re: before the internet & another N.Y. Times article
From: Delorean3_at_dml_aol.com

18. resurface exhaust face
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

19. Delorean tires
From: "alex morgan" <mauibarber_at_dml_hotmail.com>

20. Re: Reproduction tires needed!
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_optonline.net>

21. Re: Reproduction tires needed!
From: "Dan" <djdanwilson_at_dml_yahoo.com>

22. Re: Delorean tires
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

23. Re: Delorean tires
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:02:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Travis Strutzenberg <bigstrutz12_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: No More Deloreans?

      i am searching for a delorean and have noticed that too.  good to know i am not the only one worried about the drying up of the delorean market.      
    

geoff_ombao <geoff_ombao_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:   Has anyone else noticed that there haven't been any Deloreans listed on ebaymotors for 
the past few days. First time I've seen that marketplace run dry since I started shopping for mine a bit less than a year ago.

Just an observation.





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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:24:38 EST
From: ComposerZelgadis_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Tires and Wheels

When I say this, I am NOT insulting the quality of the Photo "chop"  done, but rather the concept of 16 / 17 inch rims on the DMC: Ugly as  sin.  I like a little bit of tire on my rims.
 
Just one man's opinion.


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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:11:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Travis Strutzenberg <bigstrutz12_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Revolving License Plate

      really, i was expecting it to rotate around like in the bond films or something.  it only falls down and then comes back up.  not very interesting if you ask me.        
    

Stian Birkeland <delorean_at_dml_netcom.no> wrote:   Check out:

http://www.clearplate.com





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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:10:23 -0500
From: Kevin Abato <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: NY Times Magazine article on John Delorean

Sorry all:  Didn't realize that the site required a login.   Here is the
text from the site:
 
 
NY Times article text:
 
A car's notorious creator made it famous, but a pop-culture cameo gave it new life. In October 1982, when the news broke that DeLorean Motor Company was shutting down its assembly line and that its founder, John DeLorean, had been arrested and charged with possession of more than 50 pounds of cocaine, there were 345 DeLorean dealers in the United States. DeLorean had famously left a high-powered job at General Motors nearly a decade before and set out to start the first new major American car company since the founding of Chrysler in 1920. The Times described him then as "a tall, handsome man who played tennis, rode horses, was good at golf, sculpted, read extensively, played a jazz saxophone and said he needed only four hours sleep a night."
The car that bore his name had a stainless-steel skin, "gull-wing" doors that opened by rising up rather than swinging out and was priced at around $25,000 (or around $50,000 in 2005 dollars). The company's factory, which was in Northern Ireland, operated for less than two years, and it is estimated that about 9,000 Delorean DMC-12's were manufactured.

Even before DeLorean was acquitted of the drug charges (sensational videotaped evidence notwithstanding) in 1984, various observers were trying to figure out what the ultimate verdict on the DMC-12 might be. The consensus was not positive. The car had a number of glitches, and its engine wasn't very powerful. "It just doesn't have enough mystique to become a collector's car," one former DeLorean dealer was quoted as saying at the time. An editor of a car collectors' magazine agreed: "It just hasn't captured the public's imagination." The design, it was suggested, would soon look dated, if it didn't already. 

In 1985, the movie "Back to the Future" was released. Kevin Abato, who was
13 at the time, saw it. He loved the movie and the silver car that carried its characters across time. This was, of course, a DeLorean, and it didn't look dated to him. "I fell in love with it," says Abato, who lives in Roxbury, N.J. "It was really cool-looking, really wild." Four years ago, he bought one. He is the car's fourth owner; it has 60,000 miles on it and cost $14,000. He now helps run the DeLorean Mid-Atlantic club, one of several regional clubs for those who see, after all, a DeLorean mystique. This year's spring social, which happened to fall about a month after John DeLorean died of a stroke at the age of 80, attracted a record turnout for the Mid-Atlantic Club. An online scrapbook of the event shows pictures of 27 DeLoreans (doors up) at a farm in Chester, N.J. There are also pictures of two people with DeLorean tattoos. 

The DeLorean Motor Company survives, in a manner of speaking, in the form of a Texas company that acquired the remaining stock of original parts, manufactures new parts and offers service and refurbishing work on the cars.
(It also sells a variety of accessories and apparel.) A handful of DeLorean sales and service specialists are scattered about the country, including P.J. Grady on Long Island, one of the the original DeLorean dealerships. Rob Grady, one of the owners, says that it is only rather recently that the "Back to the Future" movies have had an impact, as guys like Abato have reached a point in their lives when they can obtain one of the cars. The Internet, he adds, has made it easier to research the car and locate parts.
Grady also says that the car's aesthetic remains striking. Thus the DeLorean has a following - "more so now than ever before," he says. 

Classic-car fans are a familiar breed, but the DeLorean following is unusual in that the car was, really, never a classic. Abato figures that John DeLorean's Icarus-like personal history is part of what makes the car a nostalgic "80's icon" today. But there is no question that what breathed a surprising amount of life into a thoroughly dead car was a pop-culture cameo that goes on and on, as the "Back to the Future" movies seem to be in regular rotation on any number of TV channels. Abato says that his DeLorean attracts attention and the occasional thumbs-up on the road and that among those most impressed are children who have just seen "Back to the Future"
for the first time and whose imaginations are promptly captured. Perhaps the lesson here is that while the appreciation of contemporary experts is nice, it is also fleeting. Reruns, on the other hand, are forever



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From: Kevin Abato [mailto:delorean_at_dml_abato.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 11:00 AM
To: 'DMCForum_at_dml_yahoogroups.com'; 'dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com'
Subject: NY Times Magazine article on John Delorean


FYI: NY Times Magazine published an article on John Delorean in their final
Sunday issue of the year.   
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/25/magazine/25consumed.html
 
 
Kevin Abato
Vin# 16680


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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 23:42:14 -0800 (PST)
From: doki_pen <doki_pen_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Wow. (was:Before the internet)

Wow, my car was only six cars behind yours on the assembly line.  I live in San Francisco, California, where are you?  My car was a project car as well, but more in the cosmetic dept with only some light engine work, certainly not as involved as the work you're doing.  You can check out #3215 here:
 
http://tinyurl.com/c9g7h
 
I'll be following your project!
 
Jon





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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:26:06 -0000
From: "Dan" <djdanwilson_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Reproduction tires needed!

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, ". ." <klo_at_dml_c...> wrote:
>
> I am not an engineer or an expert on this subject, but I can tell
you from what I have experienced and what I have learnt from others,
the OEM alloy wheels 
> on our DeLorean's are the best in it's engineering.  If they are to
be replacements in the future, the wheels will have to be just as
strong and able for the 
> safety of the driver, the passenger and as well as the people and
property surrounding or sharing the road with the DeLorean.
> 
> ... If these wheels or others can take the punishment other then a
"dainty fast drive" and if they are "do able," maybe this is the way we 
> should go?

The car was engineered to work with the wheels it came with. I'm not
an engineer, but I do know all the components of a car's suspension
are designed to work together as a complete system. From what I
understand it's not as simple as just bolting on a new set of larger
rims without having everything else in that system becoming affected
somehow. Larger wheels mean larger rotating mass, and that means more
effort to put them in motion, and more effort to stop them, right? So,
I'd accelerate slower, just what a DeLorean needs, and put more stress
on my brakes trying to stop at an increasing braking distance. Don't
we also start getting into unsprung weight issues using wheels larger
than engineered for, leading to potential controllability issues
unless you beef up the entire suspension? Some say lower profile tires
will improve handling. Wouldn't that only be the case as part of a
suspension package developed with those tires and wheels in mind? If
I'm wrong, someone educate me.

Isn't the car already know for how well it handles, especially if you
incorporate the "intended" after market Eibach springs and shocks? I
mean, I don't plan on using the car for autocross racing, so why do I
need more than Lotus gave it?

For those of you who want bigger wheels and lower profile tires for
whatever your reason, more power to ya. Call up Foose or Coddington.
They design great wheels. Just keep in mind that there are a lot of us
who don't want them. I personally simply want a matching set of GOOD
stock size performance tires available to me whenever I need them. I
don't want both a set of tires and a new set of rims someday. I don't
want to pay for it, nor do I want to change the appearance of my vehicle.

My original point was a potential call to organize the community to
put pressure on Goodyear and/or any other manufacturer to allow
vintage tire manufacturers like Coker and Universal to RE-produce
their performance tires that will fit our cars, like the stock NCTs or
the more recently discontinued Michelin XGTs. Again, Coker and
Universal cater to the smaller markets that the original manufacturers
don't anymore. As Cliff said: "It just figures, you can get tires for
a car built in 1910, but not 1981." Well, tell Coker and Universal
that you want them. That's the business they are in. And tell
Goodyear, Michelin, B.F. Goodrich, Pirelli, or whoever too that you
still want these tires, so that they will allow the vintage tires
companies to manufacture them. If they get enough requests, and see
there's a market, they will reproduce them. Then the people who want
bigger wheels can have them, and those of us who do not can have good
tires on our factory wheels.

Dan W.
VIN 16192
AZ-D








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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:40:59 -0000
From: "Eric" <hollywood2311_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: before the internet & another N.Y. Times article

I have that same catalog as my car has the turbo kit, intercooler, 
forged pistons and all the other goodies on page 6, as well as the 
fuel distributor on page 9, the oil cooler on page 8, and the 
alternator on page 17.  Wonder what happened to them?


Eric C
VIN 1776 (former Florida car)


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, andyblackmon_at_dml_a... wrote:
>
> Rob you are indeed right  your company has been here longer than  
anyone and 
> I might add was and still is one of the best vendors we have, 
over  the years 
> you have gotten your share of my money. Do you or anyone on this 
list  
> remember Ben Byrd? In the early years he had Scientific Automotive 
of Ft.  
> Lauderdale, Fl. I am not sure of this but I think he was the first 
to replace  the 
> clutch line with stainless steel, he used hard brake line cut to 
fit to do  this 
> job. Until about 3 months ago my car still had his hard line on 
the clutch,  I 
> replaced the line in '85  and put the braided line on this year. I 
have a  
> great catalog from his company, dated summer '85 
> Andy B 03513
> 
> 
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>








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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:58:02 -0000
From: "gullwingmag" <gullwing-magazine_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tires and Wheels

Dennis,

Go to www.gullwingmagazine.com site, go to "past issues" and look at 
the cover of Issue 1-3.  This will give you a great idea of what 
bigger stock wheels would look like :~}

Ron



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "dmc_5180" <dmc_5180_at_dml_y...> wrote:
>
>   Because of the increasing difficulty in getting a matching set of 
tires these days.
> 
>  It would be great if DMCH would invest in new larger sized OEM 
style wheel castings, but 
> that is a pretty tall order.  The problem would be the short run 
quantities and getting an 
> overseas manufacture to make them  for a reasonable cost that 
people would buy a new 
> set readily. I am thinking about $800-$1000 for a complete set.




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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:26:00 -0000
From: "Derek" <derek.grozio_at_dml_verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Tires and Wheels

If you don't mind changing the tire size the slightest bit, there are many matched sets 
available. You can check out this post here: http://www.entermyworld.com/forum/
showthread.php?t=1462&highlight=tire+sizes regarding my decision to use a smaller size 
rear tire to get a matched set for $170. This site has a great tire calculator that shows the 
size difference as well as the speedometer difference: http://www.miata.net/garage/
tirecalc.html

-Derek #10084


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "dmc_5180" <dmc_5180_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> *snip*
> Does anyone know of other possible manufacturers that may have a matching set 
> availiable? Like say Cooper, Kelly, Toyo, Pirelli, Uniroyal, yes even Goodyear and BF 
> Goodrich.
> 
> Dennis
>









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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:09:21 +0100
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomciodmc_at_dml_poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Re: Frame damage - PLEASE read the important note! (was:Battery for Delorean)

Hi Dennis

> Sorry to hear your bad news.
>
> Did the balljoint fail or the control arm break around the joint?
>
> How bad was the frame damaged?
>
> Dennis

The ball joint has failed with no warning. It just came apart. Because of 
the design of the car when that joint came apart the lower control arm was 
forced down by the weight of the car. It managed to scrape the wheel a bit 
and then it landed on the ground. With all the weight on it and with the car 
still moving forward it pulled the control arm back far enough to actually 
bend the frame right where the control arm is attached to it. The control 
arm itself got bent and twisted. The frame is probably fixable, but since it 
needs so much work I decided to make a new frame to replace the OEM, but 
this time out of stainless steel.
The ball joint was NOT DeLorean specific, but some cross reference part. It 
did not have a snap ring on it. I installed them no more than about 5k miles 
earlier. Got them with the car and didn't realize that there might be a 
problem with that.

****IMPORTANT PART****
It turns out that there are TWO kinds of lower ball joints. One kind, the 
OEM kind is designed to carry all the weight of the car and will not come 
apart for no reason. This ball joint has a snap ring on it and AFAIK they 
are DeLorean specific.
The other kind of the lower ball joint is the kind that is used on most cars 
today and is NOT designed to carry any weight. It is there to hold the wheel 
hub with the control arm. Side-to-side forces is all that they will survive. 
When installed in a DeLorean they WILL come apart without warning soon after 
being installed.
Good thing I was only going about 5 - 10 mph. I can't even imagine what 
would happen if the joint would come apart at highway speed.....
DON'T CROSS REFERENCE THOSE JOINTS!!!! Get them from your favorite DeLorean 
vendor. This part is VERY important and cross referenced joints are not 
designed to take the loads experienced in the DeLorean.

Tom Niemczewski
vin 6149 (in Poland!)
tomciodmc_at_dml_poczta.onet.pl
www.deloreana.com





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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:01:21 -0000
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Canadian Deloreans

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Parts Pit Mike <thepartspit_at_dml_r...> wrote:
>
> Hi again all,
>    
>   So just what are the differences in a Canadian Delorean? No fair 
saying the engine has a special pan for cooking backbacon, eh?
>    
>   Seriously... I know they have Metric Speedometers but are there any 
other differences. 

>   "Parts Pit" Mike
>   17076
> 

The Canadian Deloreans came equipped with with a luggage rack because 
the cops up here dont like it when you have a keg of beer in the 
passenger seat, eh?


Richard Rowe
5853








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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 03:38:50 -0000
From: "cbl1739" <cbl302_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: before the internet & another N.Y. Times article

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, <rob_at_dml_p...> wrote:

DeLorean One? Actually P.J.Grady predates D 1 and probably everyone 
else as we signed on as a DeLorean dealer in the late seventies, when I was in college, and waited three years before receiving cars for sale in 1981. We were a Chevrolet dealer at the time and my brother Paul met John Z. at a dealer sales presentation when the company was trying to enlist dealers.........
With the demise of DeLorean Cadillac last April we are probably the 
only remaining original dealer still selling and servicing these fine old cars.



  No disrespect,but how did a Chevy dealership,evolve,down to being 
just a Delorean only repair shop,and was the business handed down 
from father to son,which is nice,But "still" not  "scratch started"  
by the present owner, basically what I am trying to say, unlike DMCH 
(and others)which was(were) started from a dream and a major 
financial risk from the, and by the owner(s),from the get go as a 
Delorean only business,but from what I am understanding  from your 
post your business evolved down from a  National chain Chevy 
Dealership/DMC Dealership,down to a Northeast Delorean repair 
shop.Was the DMC fallout a cause of this? What happened to the Chevy 
part of the dealership,or is that part still in business.Technically 
you can't be a DMC dealer,if the manufacturer is no longer in 
business,otherwise my local "ex" DMC Dealer(Gengras Motors which is 
still in business) can claim the same thing, but the understanding of your posting is understood ,as the last of the original sellers,that did Not give up on the DMC car.

cbl








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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:30:28 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Re: Reproduction tires needed!

Dan - You're not wrong in your understanding of what new wheels
might do to a DeLorean, but is does sound like your understanding
is incomplete.

Changing wheel/tire combinations can adversely affect handling, but 
it doesn't have to if you do your homework.  The DeLorean wheels are cast 
aluminum and are fairly heavy.  This weight contributes to a quantity known 
as unsprung weight.  Unsprung weight is a Bad Thing in automobile dynamics, 
because you have little control over unsprung weight.  Properly sized forged 
aluminum wheels can improve handling by being lighter than the original wheels, 
reducing unsprung weight.  By properly sized I mean that the wheel offset is the 
same as the original wheels and the rim width is not increased.  The key is 
making sure the offset is correct.  Offset is the placement of the edges of the 
rims relative to the wheel hub.  If the offset is identical to the original wheels, 
the contact patch stays in the same place relative to the suspension pivot points, 
which means you don't need to make any additional suspension changes.

Larger rims and lower profile tires will make the ride noticeably harsher, 
however, as you won't have the extra spring rate of the sidewall to help 
absorb bumps.  If you want to tune this out, you can by changing the
rate of the front and rear springs.  To achieve the same ride, you would 
need to know the current spring rates, the spring rate of the sidewalls 
of NCT tires, and the spring rate of the sidewalls of your new low profile
tires.  There is a bit of math to run through, but it's not rocket science.

Lower profile tires can improve handling by keeping the area of the 
contact patch as large and consistent as possible.  They do this by 
having less deflection in the sidewalls, which keeps the tire from 
"rolling over" during cornering.  A side benefit is that the contact patch 
stays in the same place relative to the hub, which slightly widens the track 
under hard cornering compared to tires with taller sidewalls.

Another advantage of a larger wheel is space for larger brake rotors and
calipers.  The DeLorean is underbraked compared to other performance 
cars, but there isn't much that can be done with the stock wheels as there
isn't much room for more rotor.  If I were headed in the direction of larger
brakes (and those of you looking for significant HP increases really should)
I would upgrade the hubs to a 5-bolt pattern instead of the 4-bolt pattern 
on the car.  

--
Mike


-------------- Original message from "Dan" <djdanwilson_at_dml_yahoo.com>: -------------- 


> 
> The car was engineered to work with the wheels it came with. I'm not 
> an engineer, but I do know all the components of a car's suspension 
> are designed to work together as a complete system. From what I 
> understand it's not as simple as just bolting on a new set of larger 
> rims without having everything else in that system becoming affected 
> somehow. Larger wheels mean larger rotating mass, and that means more 
> effort to put them in motion, and more effort to stop them, right? So, 
> I'd accelerate slower, just what a DeLorean needs, and put more stress 
> on my brakes trying to stop at an increasing braking distance. Don't 
> we also start getting i




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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:39:09 -0600
From: <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Reproduction tires needed!

> Larger wheels mean larger rotating mass, and that means more
> effort to put them in motion, and more effort to stop them, right?

With the right combination of low profile tires and wheel size the 
circumference shouldn't be much different than original

> we also start getting into unsprung weight issues using wheels larger
> than engineered for, leading to potential controllability issues
> unless you beef up the entire suspension?

Many after market wheels are lighter than the DeLoreans and the lower 
profile tires would be lighter than original sizes.

> My original point was a potential call to organize the community to
> put pressure on Goodyear and/or any other manufacturer to allow
> vintage tire manufacturers like Coker and Universal to RE-produce
> their performance tires that will fit our cars, like the stock NCTs or
> the more recently discontinued Michelin XGTs. >

I can't belive the limited runs that these companies do can equal the 
performance standards that we want to deal with on the Delorean. The tires 
they do for some of the classics are for cars that are never driven on an 
everyday basis and probaly never approach speeds anywhere near the 
limitations of the tires  In any event, the original NCT's where horrible 
tires in the wet and didn't offer handling on par with Pirelli or some of 
the other performance tires of that era. DeLorean went with them because of cost and 
promotional deals with Goodyear. The chassis, I belive, was tuned for 
Pirellis. With all this said, I agree the original wheels offer the best 
look for the car. They compliment the design perfectly. Regretably I 
decided to go with aftermarket wheels to get tires better suited to my 
driving needs. The original wheels are sitting on the shelf waiting for some 
new performance tires in the original sizes if they ever make a 
re-appearance in the market.

Bruce Benson





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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:43:57 -0000
From: "Dan" <djdanwilson_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: before the internet & another N.Y. Times article

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cbl1739" <cbl302_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> 
>   No disrespect,but how did a Chevy dealership,evolve,down to being 
> just a Delorean only repair shop,and was the business handed down 
> from father to son,which is nice,But "still" not  "scratch started"  
> by the present owner, basically what I am trying to say, unlike DMCH 
> (and others)which was(were) started from a dream and a major 
> financial risk from the, and by the owner(s),from the get go as a 
> Delorean only business,but from what I am understanding  from your 
> post your business evolved down from a  National chain Chevy 
> Dealership/DMC Dealership,down to a Northeast Delorean repair 
> shop.

Who cares what PJ Grady use to be, or who started as DMC exclusive
later? As long as the quality of the parts and services Rob offers now
is good, what does the rest matter? Are you suggesting because it was
already an established family business that Rob's heart and soul can't
possibly be in it as much as the others vendors who started up from
scratch, or that because PJ Grady use to be a Chevrolet/DMC dealer
once upon a time, and now is simply a DeLorean vendor, that implies
something negative about them? PJ Grady seems to have a great overall
reputation in this community, and when I see Rob and his wife fly out
to Arizona annually on their own dime to hold a tech day for AZ-D,
that shows me the Gradys are dedicated to both the marque and the
community.

Dan W.
VIN 16192
AZ-D








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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:13:29 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: before the internet & another N.Y. Times article

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cbl1739" <cbl302_at_dml_s...> wrote:
<SNIP>
> Technically 
> you can't be a DMC dealer,if the manufacturer is no longer in 
> business,otherwise my local "ex" DMC Dealer(Gengras Motors which is 
> still in business) can claim the same thing, but the understanding 
of your posting is understood ,as the last of the original 
sellers,that did Not give up on the DMC car.
> 
> cbl
>

Actually, that's not quite true. There is at least one other marquee 
with a functioning dealership that lays claim to the same exact thing, 
which isn't refuted either, with an orphaned automaker.

http://www.ypsiautoheritage.org/

The business still functions, and never closed shop, and never 
abandoned the marquee name. If Rob has a dealership licence to sell 
cars, then he's a dealership. Otherwise, what's the precident that 
states that you cannot remain an authorized dealer of new cars, if the 
dealership happens to stop making them? You do bring up a good point 
Claude that's never been challenged before, about the dealership. 
Could other companies that are still in business lay claim to be a 
factory authorized dealership/service center for an automaker, if that 
automaker no longer exists to challenge that claim? Good question. But 
unless we ever see it challenged in court to get an official legal 
ruling, it's a moot point.

However, since the service portion of the business never folded up, 
I'd certainly say that P.J. Grady predates all others. Investment 
doesn't have any defining impact on this either. But, if you do want 
to argue that point, it can be challenged. The Grady family did start 
with a $25K buy-in of company stock, and had to buy their parts at 
list price from DMCA while DMC was in business, whereas lots of other 
vendors got theirs from auctions, and bulk purchases from dealerships 
that sold off their inventories and substancial discounts after DMC 
folded. It's all symantecs at this point.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"







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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:22:33 EST
From: Delorean3_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: before the internet & another N.Y. Times article

     
 
Who cares who was first?   Who cares if the business was  inherited?  Who 
cares about a business that is no longer  around?  You can't inherit being great 
at fixing Deloreans.  It  has to be a passion.  So give it a break.   The one 
thing  we all care about (in this forum) is our Delorean.   Does  anyone have 
anything important to talk about?  PJ GRady and Delorean  One and every other 
business out there that specializes in fixing  Deloreans should be 
congradulated.  Without these specialists we  would not be enjoying the DeLorean the way 
we do.  On to a more  important subject now.....
 
boB  Cutrupi




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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:23:09 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: resurface exhaust face

Hey Group,
 
I have my exhaust manifolds off and all my studs removed.  Now I have  to 
clean up the surface on the head so I don't have any leaks.  There is a  lot of 
carbon and other unusual layers of crap on the head.  
 
What is the best way to clean this up, aside from bringing in to a  
specialist because that's not really an option.  
 
Thanks - 
Andy
 
Fargo, ND  
1982 DeLorean DMC12 VIN 11596


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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:44:31 +0000
From: "alex morgan" <mauibarber_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Delorean tires

I am a little confused about the tire "shortage".  Are there going to be no 
tires available for our cars? Or are we talking about high performance tires 
for our cars?  I wasn't aware the tires on the delorean were a crazy or 
weird size.  Could somebody clear this "shortage" up for me.
-Alex






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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:14:24 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Reproduction tires needed!

Everything you mentioned is true, you can go to a larger rim size if
you use lower profile tires without changing the overall wheel size.
It will give you the ability to use a larger braking system and higher
cornering forces. A major drawback is you MUST drive on smooth roads.
You lose the ability to hit potholes or other discontinuites in the
road surface. I see plenty of those fancy (read expensive) rims and
tires blown out because they hit a curb or a pothole. In extreme cases
you reduce the overall travel of the suspension systen to absorb
impacts, some of which was factored in from the tire (even more so if
the car was lowered). A low profile tire will also ride harder, less
sidewall to act like a spring absorbing minor fluctuations in the
road. Think of these things BEFORE you spend a LOT of money on this
kind of "BLING". Part of the "look" of the Delorean IS the rims,
changing them can affect a lot more than the look of the car. The
roads here in the northeast (New Jersey and New York) are not always
the greatest especially in the winter so beware of using anyting that
might lower the car closer to the road. They also use a lot of steel
plates over holes in the road, not so good for these new low profile
tires! On nice flat, smooth roads in Florida or Texas or California
those tires might last longer! Just my 2 cents. I suppose one day
someone will put SPINNERS on their Delorean!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, mike.griese_at_dml_w... wrote:
>
> Dan - You're not wrong in your understanding of what new wheels
> might do to a DeLorean, but is does sound like your understanding
> is incomplete.
> 
> Changing wheel/tire combinations can adversely affect handling, but 
> it doesn't have to if you do your homework.  The DeLorean wheels are
cast 
> aluminum and are fairly heavy.  This weight contributes to a
quantity known 
>







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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 04:18:30 -0000
From: "Dan" <djdanwilson_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Reproduction tires needed!

Thanks Mike, I'm here to learn.

Dan W.
VIN 16192
AZ-D


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, mike.griese_at_dml_w... wrote:
>
> Dan - You're not wrong in your understanding of what new wheels
> might do to a DeLorean, but is does sound like your understanding
> is incomplete.
> 
> Changing wheel/tire combinations can adversely affect handling, but 
> it doesn't have to if you do your homework...







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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:20:51 EST
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Delorean tires

Dayton tires sell tires in our size and so does Cooper.
 
These are not the fancy names so you do not here them on this list
 
I have Daytons on my cars as they are half the cost of the "Name" Tires and  
they do fine for me.
 
I am sure there are more out there.
 
Ken


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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 04:23:23 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean tires

People seem to be most concernecd about "high performance" tires. The 
big problem is finding the two sizes in the same product line. It's not 
a big challenge to end up with, say, Goodyears on the front and BF 
Goodrichs on the back, but it's not all that desireable to do that 
unless you really don't test the car's handling at all. Plus it looks 
dumb. 

There are some non-high-performance tires available, the Dunlop GT 
Qualifiers come to mind that are fine for low-impact driving but they 
are a pretty antique design.

What has people worried is that the long-time Hi-perf favorites, the 
Yokohama AVS-I, was discontinued a couple of years ago. For about the 
past 2-3 years Michelin made a great Pilot tire that fit, but they just 
dropped that too. 

So - there's no immediate danger that you'll be driving on just the 
rims, but it's getting to be difficult to find a state-of-the-art tire 
in the combined sizes we need. For some reason the rears seem to be the 
problem. 

Dave Swingle


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "alex morgan" <mauibarber_at_dml_h...> wrote:
>
> I am a little confused about the tire "shortage".  Are there going to 
be no 
> tires available for our cars? Or are we talking about high 
performance tires 
> for our cars?  I wasn't aware the tires on the delorean were a crazy 
or 
> weird size.  Could somebody clear this "shortage" up for me.
> -Alex
>








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