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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 3113

There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Missing Production Date
From: "apexrmb" <Apexrmb_at_dml_earthlink.net>

2. Thanks for the Nice Welcome
From: "apexrmb" <Apexrmb_at_dml_earthlink.net>

3. Re: New Owner 8:00 2/8/06 Vin #d000764
From: "apexrmb" <Apexrmb_at_dml_earthlink.net>

4. Re: Transmission Question
From: Martin Gutkowski - DMC Ltd <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

5. Re: Parts Vendors (was Missing Production Date)
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

6. Re: New Owner 8:00 2/8/06 Vin #d000764
From: "Joseph Kuchan" <josephkuchan_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. Re: Transmission Question
From: delorean12_at_dml_comcast.net

8. Fuel pump
From: "Gekko_at_dml_TDS" <gekko_at_dml_flex.com>

9. Re: Thanks for the Nice Welcome
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_optonline.net>

10. Re: Fuel pump
From: "conundrum1984" <jeepno1_397_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. RE: "The crash of John DeLorean" story.
From: "Gary Hull" <Specialty_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>

12. Turbos for Sale.
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_gmail.com>

13. Re: New Owner 8:00 2/8/06 Vin #d000764
From: "Joe OBrien" <joeyoseppijoe_at_dml_yahoo.com>

14. Fixed my antenna, sort of...
From: "valleyrat12" <valleyrat12_at_dml_yahoo.com>

15. RE: "The crash of John DeLorean" story.
From: dmc82_at_dml_comcast.net

16. Re: New Owner 8:00 2/8/06 Vin #d000764
From: "blackaddertoo" <blackaddertoo_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>

17. Hemming Classic Car
From: "bjmccool" <bjmccool_at_dml_comcast.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:43:07 -0000
From: "apexrmb" <Apexrmb_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Missing Production Date

Hi everyone,

A few questions if I may,

Is missing production date common?

Is a Vin # 000764 very good or bad far as qaulity or otherwise?

Where do most of you recommend buying parts?

Apex








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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:11:31 -0000
From: "apexrmb" <Apexrmb_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Thanks for the Nice Welcome


Thanks everyone for the confidense boost.

I have alot of work ahead of me to do. This vehicle has been sitting since 1992. The previous owner stop driving it at 13800 mile due to the fuel pump problem. I not sure what I going to find once I replace the fuel system. I just ordered from Delorean One the following parts:
1) Fuel replacement Kit/ accumulator
2) winshield blades
3) shocks for the doors and truck

So I have alot to do in the next month or so.

Apex








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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:01:05 -0000
From: "apexrmb" <Apexrmb_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: New Owner 8:00 2/8/06 Vin #d000764

Thanks, Its been siting for 14 years. Previous owner garage it since the fuel pump went out.


Apexrmb








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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:33:34 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski - DMC Ltd <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Transmission Question

Sorry, I read the original post to be asking just about the auto box. 
Okay, the 369 manual transmission as found in the DeLorean was used in 
the Renault 30 originally. Not many cars got the 369. The UN1 which is 
almost identical apart from the shift mechanism found its way into:

DeLorean
Alpine GTA and derivatives
Venturi Atlantique and 400GT series'
Lotus Esprit
And a list of Renaults as long as your arm.

The R30 has a 3.8:1 final drive, the DeLorean a 3.4:1. The 3.4:1 is 
common to the Renault alpines and I've recently confirmed that the 
DeLorean has exactly the same ratios as the normally aspirated Alpine 
GTA. The GTA turbo and A610 have a taller 4th and 5th and bizarrely, 
reverse! The GTA has smaller back tyres though... and a 160hp carb'd 
odd-fire 2.8 wth a top speed approaching 160mph.

The Esprit uses the same ratios as the GTA Turbo and A610 but with a 
3.8:1 final drive. This probably explains their propensity for problems 
with 5th.

Did I miss any?

Martin

mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net wrote:

>And don't forget Stevens-bodied Lotus Esprits.  Roughly mid-1988 through
>the end of production in 2004.  They had different ratios and a reversed 
>final drive.  Actually, it's the DeLorean that has the reversed final drive...
>
>--
>Mike
>
>  
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:33:32 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Parts Vendors (was Missing Production Date)

Depending on what you need,any of the major vendors listed here:

http://www.dmcnews.com/links.html

Dave

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "apexrmb" <Apexrmb_at_dml_...> wrote:
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> Hi everyone,

> 
> Where do most of you recommend buying parts?
> 
> Apex
>









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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:20:22 -0600
From: "Joseph Kuchan" <josephkuchan_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Owner 8:00 2/8/06 Vin #d000764

Apex,

Unfortunately, a car that has been idle for that long is not a good 
scenario. You will probably find that you need major fuel system 
maintenance. Others on this list with more experience than I have with cars 
that were left idle for such a long period of time will be able to guide you 
through the process.

I am not so sure it is a good idea to change the pump and try to run it. If 
the new pump ingests even a tiny bit of foreign matter, gummy varnish, or 
what have you, it will likely seize, so I would also look carefully in the 
tank and probably clean it thoroughly, replace the fuel pump baffle and pick 
up hoses, etc.

Good luck!

-Joe kuchan


>From: "apexrmb" <Apexrmb_at_dml_earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [DML] New Owner 8:00 2/8/06 Vin #d000764
>Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:01:05 -0000
>
>Thanks, Its been siting for 14 years. Previous owner garage it since
>the fuel pump went out.
>
>
>Apexrmb






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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:40:24 +0000
From: delorean12_at_dml_comcast.net
Subject: Re: Transmission Question

Great!!  Thanks Martin (and everyone else) for the great info. on DeLorean trans.

JAS

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Martin Gutkowski - DMC Ltd <martin_at_dml_delorean.co.uk> 

> Sorry, I read the original post to be asking just about the auto box. 
> Okay, the 369 manual transmission as found in the DeLorean was used in 
> the Renault 30 originally. Not many cars got the 369. The UN1 which is 
> almost identical apart from the shift mechanism found its way into: 
> 
> DeLorean 
> Alpine GTA and derivatives 
> Venturi Atlantique and 400GT series' 
> Lotus Esprit 
> And a list of Renaults as long as your arm. 
> 
> The R30 has a 3.8:1 final drive, the DeLorean a 3.4:1. The 3.4:1 is 
> common to the Renault alpines and I've recently confirmed that the 
> DeLorean has exactly the same ratios as the normally aspirated Alpine 
> GTA. The GTA turbo and A610 have a taller 4th and 5th and bizarrely, 




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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:25:48 -0800
From: "Gekko_at_dml_TDS" <gekko_at_dml_flex.com>
Subject: Fuel pump

Apex,

Changing the fuel pump is not all that tough.  But you need to be sure of all (and I do mean ALL) the other components in the fuel system, as well.  The main reason for fuel pump failure is dirt (and I mean even microscopic particles) in the tank.  This is the most common cause of fuel system difficuties.  Drain the fuel tank (usually requires syphoning out) and wipe a clean rag across the bottom of the inside of the tank.  If it comes away with anything but clean gas on it, your trouble is just begining.  The fuel pump will need replacing, accumulator may need it, fuel filter will need to go, you'll want to disconnect the fuel distributor and flush it when the new components ahead of it are installed, pull the injectors and check that they are clear (if not, replace them or have John Hervey rebuild them), do the same for the warm-up regulator, check the cold start valve and if all is spottlessly clean, put it all back together.  You need to inspect the pump boot and cover f!
 or signs of decomposition.  This is often the source for gunk in the tank and is a pretty inexpensive replacement, to be sure they're in good shape.

Oh, fuel pump is under the spare tire.  Pull the 1/3 circle cover out and there it us, under the large rubber cap with two lines coming out of it.  Don't try to do 1/2 the job here.  I naively tried that when I first got my D and it wound up costing me a complete fuel system rebuild/recondition again about 2 months later.  Not worth the cost or aggravation.  Take the time to do it right the first time.  My D now starts within 3 seconds, even when very cold and runs smooth as silk, all the time.

So, to answer your question, no the fuel pump is actually pretty easy to replace.  But don't just replace it without fully investigating the entire fuel system before you try to start up, again.  You'll be glad you did.

Best of luck and keep us updated.

Craig Werner
# 07181


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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:57:54 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Thanks for the Nice Welcome

For an initial parts order consider adding the following:
2 oil filters (one for now and another for later)
Fuel filter
Workshop manual
Parts manual
extra keys (Must have at least 2 sets)
A complete set of struts
light bulbs to replace any that are burnt out
front license bracket (if needed)
Before ordering the fuel pump open the tank, pull out all the parts,
wipe the inside, and replace any of the parts that are in questionable
condition. Verify the pump is bad. Maybe all you need is a new inertia
switch or an RPM relay? Make sure you see 12 volts at the plug going
to the fuel pump when you crank the motor.
Flush out the brake fluid and clutch fluid before driving the car.
Refill with Castrol GTLMA. Check ALL the fluid levels and tire
pressures (as per the label on the glove box door.)
Any of the major vendors will welcome your business. We all have our
favorites, you will have to pick your own. Remember, it is not just
ordering parts, they all provide technical assistance but it is not
nice to pick their brains if you don't buy your parts from them too!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757





--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "apexrmb" <Apexrmb_at_dml_...> wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks everyone for the confidense boost.
> 
> I have alot of work ahead of me to do. This vehicle has been sitting 
> since 1992. The previous owner stop driving it at 13800 mile due to 
> the fuel pump problem. I not sure what I going to find once I r








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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:45:42 -0000
From: "conundrum1984" <jeepno1_397_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel pump

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Gekko_at_dml_..." <gekko_at_dml_...> wrote:
The fuel pump will need replacing, accumulator may need it, fuel 
filter will need to go, you'll want to disconnect the fuel distributor 
and flush it when the new components ahead of it are installed...

I'm doing a lot to my fuel system too.  How do you flush out the fuel 
distributor anyway? 

Matt
VIN: 2953








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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:15:07 -0800
From: "Gary Hull" <Specialty_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>
Subject: RE: "The crash of John DeLorean" story.

I just did a search for DeLorean on my cable guide and it shows ANYTHING TO
WIN: THE CRASH OF JOHN DELOREAN scheduled for 6:00 (Pacific) on Tuesday,
February 14.

This differs from the other reports that it was to be at 9:00 PT/ET.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Gary
IN2TIME





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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:16:21 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas_at_dml_gmail.com>
Subject: Turbos for Sale.

I've got a pair of IHI RHB5 turbos for sale right now on eBay. The
auction # is: 4612525179

http://tinyurl.com/7jd88

These are a nice pair, with water ports for additional cooling. My
turbo project isn't going to happen anytime soon, so, I'm selling
these off to someone else would can make better/quicker use than I
currently can.

Either on eBay, or off-list here, just let me know if you have any
questions!

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"







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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:01:20 -0000
From: "Joe OBrien" <joeyoseppijoe_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New Owner 8:00 2/8/06 Vin #d000764

In your situation you'd be be better off just replacing the ENTIRE
fuel system at once, or spend years tracking down issues and trying to
guess what issues you are having. If I had it to do again, that is
exactly the way I would have did it. And it would be cheaper, and less
stressful.

I bought my 81 that had been in a garage since 1985, perfect shape,
but the entire fuel system was bad. $1,500 later, it is perfect now!

-Joe O'Brien


2524,
16634,
16851






--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "apexrmb" <Apexrmb_at_dml_...> wrote:
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> Thanks, Its been siting for 14 years. Previous owner garage it since 
> the fuel pump went out.
> 
> 
> Apexrmb
>









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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:37:46 -0000
From: "valleyrat12" <valleyrat12_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Fixed my antenna, sort of...

I disassembled my antenna to find that the nylon feed gear was broken 
in a couple of places. I went to Pep Boys and purchased one that 
looked "close" to the original. It took a few attempts but finally the 
mechanism accepted the new antenna. 

The only problem is that sometimes the antenna does not make it all 
the way down. It gets stuck and then does not complete retraction. If 
I help it a little bit it will retract all the way. I greased up the 
nylon gear really good, it almost seems like it gets caught up on the 
creases in the feed gear from when it was packaged. Has anyone else 
had this experience? Do I need to adjust something?

Nathan
2277 (now with working radio)









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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:10:59 +0000
From: dmc82_at_dml_comcast.net
Subject: RE: "The crash of John DeLorean" story.

My cable nework is repeating the show four different times and dates so if you miss it there may be other opportunities.

Cecil Longwisch
#10663

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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:22:52 -0000
From: "blackaddertoo" <blackaddertoo_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: New Owner 8:00 2/8/06 Vin #d000764

this is straightforward if you are methodical. a good running engine 
starts with clean fuel and a good spark (ignoring timing for now!)

To re-commission the fuel system
Remove fuel pump, boot, support bracket, and all pipes and baffle 
inside tank.
Clean out gue in tank with rags.
Use acetone to remove remainder. Ensure completely clean.
Replace pump, boot, probably bracket, pipes. (specialTauto sell an 
update kit)
Replace fuel filter near to rear driver side wheel, bottom of frame.
Check/replace fuel lines from pump to hard fuel line (do not kink 
hard fuel line).
Put return feed line into a glass jar or petrol container.

Remove fuel feed line from filter output and put into petrol 
container
Airtight cover the holes in the fuel tank (ie from the fuel sender) 
and put a gallon in.
Run fuel pump and you should get muddy looking fuel in your jars.
Run until clean.
Consider replacing the fuel accumulator before all of this (a nasty 
job under middle of car but 10 times safer without any petrol in)

Then put fuel line back on fuel distributor, remove 6 injector 
pipes, make up six new pipes with banjo ends and put thes into jars.
Run fuel pump. You should get petrol out of the six pipes.

Then vacuum area around injectors (tape a drinking straw onto a 
vacuum cleaner)
Once free of debris, remove injectors (just one clip holds them in)
Put the injector pipes back onto distributor and put the injectors 
into glass jars.
Run pump and push down fuel metering flap (big circular plate 
obvious when you remove air filter)
You should get fuel squirting in a good pattern from the injectors
If you don't, injectors could be no good or system is not reaching 
running pressure.
Once squirting ok, put back in engine.
Then I would clean the connections from to and from ignition coil, 
clean any earth points on the engine.
Put a good battery on and try to start.

Always have a couple of fire extinguishers handy and work on fuel 
system outside.
Petrol vapours can ignite from yards away.

To run the fuel pump, remove the rpm relay and jump the connector 
(see specialTauto site for diagram).
Obviously all this is at your risk and if unsure always take to a 
specialist

After all this expect to work on: brake callipers..all six, clutch 
master and slave cylinders, brake cyclinder, steering column bush 
(is the wheel wobbly? Cheapo to fix)

Hope all this helps and email with any questions,.

Regards

Steve
UK


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "apexrmb" <Apexrmb_at_dml_...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Its been siting for 14 years. Previous owner garage it 
since 
> the fuel pump went out.
> 
> 
> Apexrmb
>









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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:57:02 -0600
From: "bjmccool" <bjmccool_at_dml_comcast.net>
Subject: Hemming Classic Car

Didn't know if anyone had mentioned it yet, but in the March 2006 issue of Hemmings Classic Car on page 72 an automotive artist named George Rothacker has a spread on different cars he has drawn. In the main picture of him, he is in the process of painting a Red Delorean with its doors up. Very professional looking. Here's his website:

www.georgerothacker.com

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